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rebellifter
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Thanks dude! All this I got on the way is for my lady and her sister so...
I will definitely do all 3 labmax when I get it.
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Thanks dude! All this I got on the way is for my lady and her sister so...
I will definitely do all 3 labmax when I get it.
NY REBEL
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Bro nothing is worth risking others, especially females. Anything I gave my wife I got from only the best sources and ran full cycles to test it. Definitely do your due diligence.. Cheers bud
rebellifter
Banned
right on - unfortunately, my research said Pharmacom was one of the best. Hope my stuff is all yellow.
Darius
Banned
Hi guys!
I didn't had time to read all the thread regarding this issue, since I'm on a mobile right now but I'll do it in a couple of hours and start to investigate this.
Now, I just want to give you a brief answer regarding Pharmacom's var "susceptible" quality.
Anavar was probably the most Labmaxed of our compounds on MESO. And trust me, that's the harshest environment for a source to be part of.
At least 8-9 public videos and pics with Labmax, all positive, in the last 6 months. Some were ordered from me and some from Frank.
Even so, Labmax failed many times including on products from the same batch that were tested using mass spectometry by http://anaboliclab.com/lab-results/brand-name/pharmacom-labs/ which showed proper concentrations for 4 compounds from the Pharmacom line.
Thank you!
I didn't had time to read all the thread regarding this issue, since I'm on a mobile right now but I'll do it in a couple of hours and start to investigate this.
Now, I just want to give you a brief answer regarding Pharmacom's var "susceptible" quality.
Anavar was probably the most Labmaxed of our compounds on MESO. And trust me, that's the harshest environment for a source to be part of.
At least 8-9 public videos and pics with Labmax, all positive, in the last 6 months. Some were ordered from me and some from Frank.
Even so, Labmax failed many times including on products from the same batch that were tested using mass spectometry by http://anaboliclab.com/lab-results/brand-name/pharmacom-labs/ which showed proper concentrations for 4 compounds from the Pharmacom line.
Thank you!
alphalife
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Labmax site specifically states this test cannot confirm presence of anything other than winstrol or var. "The test unlike vials A and B which can detect wider range of steroids is designed to detect presence of anavar and wisntrol only. There are lot substances which might produce different type of reaction and color changes. Any other color change will indicated that the sample contains something else. There is no way to interpret what else you might have in your sample without detailed laboratory testing."
rebellifter
Banned
True but people have dropped dbol and tbol in the anavar/winstrol labmax kits and gotten red consistently - that's how the broscience came to determine red in the anavar/winstrol labmax meant dbol. I have done this myself and got reddish.
cujolaverga
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That's the way I understood it as well. It doesn't rest specifically for dbol, but the presence of any other color is an indicator that something else is there as well and it is a fail. If I'm wrong, I will openly admit it..but labmax is pretty clear on this. Either passes or it fails
alphalife
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Just copying/pasting facts as written by the test designers. The fact is, it does not test for any other substances. So the claim of dbol present based on this test is misleading at best, bro science at worst.
Nasty Nate said his girl ran this Var no problem. No dick growth... lol. Maybe OPs girl just can't handle Var. And OP said he's on Prop too so that could explain his weight gain. We have no info about his E2, etc.
The Meso psychos confirmed Pharmacom Var in 6 different tests as stated by Darius.
Why do you want to believe this newb so badly? I'm going to stay skeptical. I need more than 2 staged photos with no video of the test being properly done (i.e. evidence that Pharmacom Var was even used for this test, evidence the right amount was used (1mg c****ed), etc).
Let's see something real before jumping to conclusions. This isn't the Islamic State. Innocent until proven guilty here in America.
alphalife
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You think that a Var/Winny presence test will fail entirely if anything additional is present? That is incorrect. That would not test for presence then.... Presence testing is to determine if the hormone is present. Nothing else.... Not how much, not what percentage, not if there is something else there too. There could be MT in it but this test will pass if there is Var present. It will come out yellow like yours did. If there's red in it, it could indicate the presence of some foreign hormone but the test specifically states that it only tests for 2 hormones. In other words, it cannot be a scientific basis for anything other than the presence or absence of winny or var. That's like saying this tab has tren in it if it glowed green.... That's just not the case. That's why these tests suck. They leave so much unknown.
NY REBEL
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I'm surprised it got this long before retest. But understandable.. Lets just see how it plays out
cujolaverga
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Fair enough. This "newb" will kindly shut the fuck up. Again, I wasn't trying to stir up shit.
NY REBEL
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Neri your didn't do anything wrong.. I would have done the same thing. No sweat
alphalife
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I'm not saying you should not test or report bro. I'm just saying I don't see the same level of evidence others seem to be crediting this test.
It's not about wanting to believe anyone. It's backing a potential concern. It's a two way street.
He may be a newb but Il still stick up for his cause till its resolved. Or at least til we get other stuff to clairify. I'm not just gonna shut him down and tell him to kick rocks. He's got a valid concern dude. And yes there are many outlieing factors but again. Two way street.
I could honestly give a fuck less. I will never have the need to buy from basic stero. It's not my problem. It's about supporting members. Basic stero seems to have decent stuff but no source is holier than thou. If this was robo I'd be saying the same shit. Mistakes happen. Be open to that potential. You still have the opportunity to contribute a labmax of your own too bro. So far OP is the only guy that put that effort in. Give him credit.
My whole job background is retail management and corporate retail. You come into my store bitchin weather I know it's not my fault or not. Your gonna get the benifit of the doubt. It's just good business.
Here is the deal. To refference specific anavar colour. What the OP has is potentially not var. Regardless of how you look at it. If I was the source, this one off happened out of no where. Based on sides and just the POTENTIAL of it not being var, I'd replace it. End of story.he could have 1 post he could have 5000 posts. In the end a couple boxes of anavar really isn't shit.
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Also we havnt even got the answer back from labmax. What if they come back and be like well. The anavar/winstrol test is not designed to specifically test for anything else but if there were a color varience outside the guidelines there is possibility there is unknown substance present.
Again man another possibility.
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Again man another possibility.
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alphalife
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That's true. But it won't tell us what substance. That's what vials A and B are for. That's why the only kit worth buying is the full kit. $229 or whatever. It's not worth it to me to buy that. I'm not giving my girl gear. If I did, I'd buy the whole kit and eliminate all possibilities before handing her a tab.
cujolaverga
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I appreciate the support guys. At the end of the day, I WANT it to be legit. I didn't want it to fail. Aren't we all here to better our physiques? Like I have said, I DO NOT want a thing, because honestly, I wouldn't trust it even if they sent replacements. I will stand by what I saw in the vial, whether anyone else sees it or not. Based upon what they show to be anavar on the labmax site, the shit I tested was not anavar. Period. At least not var by itself. Something else was in there. I wore latex gloves, c****ed the tab inside a ziploc, etc. I controlled the test as best as I could.
the only impetus for this were the unusual sides. It's easy to dismiss what I'm saying cause I am a newb on this forum. I don't have credibility. But, I am willing to admit if I am wrong 100% and will issue an apology. The problem is that both tests gave the same result. It's a horrible thing to have your integrity questioned when you are coming with a clean conscience.
All I want is some good var..lol. I did not get my E2 levels checked. I'll admit that. But, my total estrogen was 150 and my total test was over 3000. I gained a few pounds initially with the test prop. I was using aromasin @12.5 eod. I'm pretty sure I crashed my e2 which is why I had a low libido. I have since dialed that in. I gained 10 pounds in 2 weeks AFTER I started the var. My joint pain could have been from estrogen. I don't pretend to be an expert. I'm here to learn.
the only impetus for this were the unusual sides. It's easy to dismiss what I'm saying cause I am a newb on this forum. I don't have credibility. But, I am willing to admit if I am wrong 100% and will issue an apology. The problem is that both tests gave the same result. It's a horrible thing to have your integrity questioned when you are coming with a clean conscience.
All I want is some good var..lol. I did not get my E2 levels checked. I'll admit that. But, my total estrogen was 150 and my total test was over 3000. I gained a few pounds initially with the test prop. I was using aromasin @12.5 eod. I'm pretty sure I crashed my e2 which is why I had a low libido. I have since dialed that in. I gained 10 pounds in 2 weeks AFTER I started the var. My joint pain could have been from estrogen. I don't pretend to be an expert. I'm here to learn.
alphalife
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I'm 100% with you on the customer is always right mantra. But Frank hasn't responded yet and his customer service has always been top notch for my transactions. Obviously for the log but also with a separate purchase I made. He's never on here on weekends and he's in another time zone. Seems unfair to call him out when he hasn't had an opportunity to even respond.
There are lots of labmax tests on meso that are videos. Video helps show authenticity. 2 pics of a box and a vial does not. I just think it's preposterous to conclude that a foreign hormone (dbol) is present that's not reliably detectable using that test.
Honestly, I also hope this is BS, because Pharmacom is the best UGL out there right now. If this is confirmed, I'll be very disheartened with all UGLs. If the biggest guys with the best testing equipment and the most ordering power can't quality control Var, no one can. That would suck.
alphalife
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I didn't mean to question your integrity specifically man. I don't know you. I'm just generalizing regarding low post count. High post count doesn't guarantee anything either. Nothing personal intended. Thanks for doing the test. I hope there's no winny in there. I hate winny.
rebellifter
Banned
I didn't mean to question your integrity specifically man. I don't know you. I'm just generalizing regarding low post count. High post count doesn't guarantee anything either. Nothing personal intended. Thanks for doing the test. I hope there's no winny in there. I hate winny.
Did you order the labmax Alpha? You have Basic's var on hand correct? It should only take 3 days to arrive once you order.
cujolaverga
New member
Understood. No harm, no foul
Lol I'm with you on the winny. Well Sunday ain't the day of resolution. Everyone go relax and catch some sun! Bout to put a cc of tren in my but cheek and go enjoy my day! Hopefully Monday will bring the answers.I didn't mean to question your integrity specifically man. I don't know you. I'm just generalizing regarding low post count. High post count doesn't guarantee anything either. Nothing personal intended. Thanks for doing the test. I hope there's no winny in there. I hate winny.
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alphalife
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I didn't. I don't think that $16 test shows much of value. I'd like to see what Labmax says to JRBDALLAS. From what I read on their site, that Winny/Var test only says if Var or Winny is in the tab. If that's the case, you could have 99% baking soda and 1% Var and get a + test. So, you get no info about purity. Then, since it doesn't test for other hormones, you could have dbol in it and as long as you have Var it'll be + for Var or inconclusive (i.e., showing presence of some other unknown hormone). You really need the whole $230 kit to determine what hormones are all in a tab and even then you won't know what percentages. Just seems like I'm chasing my tail. I'll order a $16 individual test though if people want me to...
NY REBEL
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This is how I understand it.
Jzp87
New Member
I know iv already posted this but this is Tbol labmax result, as you can see it is clearly yellow with red in it like the op's picture no not exactly like it but the op's looks like he put to much of the pill in the vial. I agree that the kit doesn't tell purity of his var but it for sure is not var., is it tbol I don't know for sure but I have never tested winstrol mixed with dbol but I have tested dbol and it was red and I have seen plenty of var test and they are solid yellow. I would not be happy if I had this var because it looks nothing like every single labmax for var there is, I would tell basic he needs to pay to get it tested that is just crazy for them to expect you to do it but that would tell us exactly what you have.
cujolaverga
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^agree. But they want me to front the money. Not ever gonna happen. I'd rather cut my losses
Robierob77
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You will receive more extensive information on how the test works if you were to purchase one. The website does supply some info but it goes into greater detail on what the colors mean on the sheets of paper that come along with it.
Robierob77
New Member
I just reread mine and I've been trying to keep up with this thread so my bad if I'm repeating but it specifically states that if too much powder is added it will cause a stronger faster reaction making the vial too dark to interpret the results after 15 mins. The results can appear to look like a fail when in fact you might have a good anavar sample. If done correctly a positive anavar sample will have little color change, if it gets darker, almost light brown then it is winstrol. Lots of variables here. More testing definitely won't hurt.
alphalife
New Member
Yea dude. I dunno how I'm going to measure 1/10th of a 10mg tab. That's my biggest concern with even my own accuracy... I guess I'll c.r.u.s.h a whole tab and make 10 "lines" lol...
Robierob77
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Yeh man, the test was designed for small amounts and states it to be very reliable and accurate.
Robierob77
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Uhhhhhhhh na nah na nah!
Well I will say I just ordered a labmax. Just the $16 one for Xeno's stuff. Curious to see how that ends up.
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originalbingham
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Great advertising for labmax. They should see a sales increase from this whole thing! Haha
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NY REBEL
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Killer. The more testing the better.
Man that's what I'm concerned with. Xeno uses caps and they are 20mg.
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rebellifter
Banned
Bumping this up so Basicstero sees it and hopefully responds.
I decided that before I give it to the ladies regardless of the labmax I will take the var at 40mgs/day while on my TRT dose of 180mgs Cyp/week and 1iu of Norditropin/day - if I gain weight on it then there is no way it's just anavar. At least I will have save the ladies and I can drop whatever the weight gain is quickly with a little t3.
I decided that before I give it to the ladies regardless of the labmax I will take the var at 40mgs/day while on my TRT dose of 180mgs Cyp/week and 1iu of Norditropin/day - if I gain weight on it then there is no way it's just anavar. At least I will have save the ladies and I can drop whatever the weight gain is quickly with a little t3.
Strengthbyfaith11
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well how much weight gain would make you say its not var, cause there is not really a control group in what you are explaining you are going to do. Since you are adding the var in that means you will have to keep your diet the exect same as it was before taking the var to see the real effects of it. You know what i mean? not trying to rip you just want to make sure its done right.
alphalife
New Member
Good for you man. That's how it should be done.
rebellifter
Banned
I will keep the diet the same - 2200 Calories, 175 gram protein. I think we can agree that if I see a 10lb gain in two weeks like the OP then there is something off. I have hung around 190 for 4 years with my standard diet (above + don't drink alcohol or eat bread, pasta).
Can we agree if this is the same and I see anything more than a couple of lbs then something is off?
For the record, this isn't my first rodeo - have had legit VAR a number of times and know what to expect.
Strengthbyfaith11
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ok great, yeah if you gain a lot then we all know i was just double checking so that you didn't eat a buffet a day and then claim its not var just paling devils avocet. Ill be interested to see man, sorry if i came of strong!! best of luck man!!
alphalife
New Member
Wow..........
rebellifter
Banned
All good!
It's pretty damn irritating that no one from Basicstero is responding - actually, it's probably pretty telling as to the truth.
rebellifter
Banned
still Crickets unfortunately.
Strengthbyfaith11
New member
I do agree, i think basic should clear the air, i think darius said something a couple pages back, he is who i got my var from last time. i did not do a labmax but i feel like it was var. I have more coming in this time from basic so if i find some extra money ill throw it to the labmax but honestly those test are not 100% in my eyes
cujolaverga
New member
What's the general opinion here on ZPHC and their products. Got a pm from a source here on their var
gearedright
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Glad I saw this thread, I was just about to pull the trigger on some of his Var...
You use the plastic spatula to handle your test powder only.
You drop your sample into the glass tube and if it turns right away red then it is dbol, thibys is all you need to worry about.
Whatever happens inside the glass vial only is your test result.
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You drop your sample into the glass tube and if it turns right away red then it is dbol, thibys is all you need to worry about.
Whatever happens inside the glass vial only is your test result.
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That's the best answer I can get from labmax. Op the red was only on the spatula thing right?
They did also confirm that red in the vial of an anavar and winstrol test would suggest dbol. Even though the test is specified for anavar/winstrol.
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They did also confirm that red in the vial of an anavar and winstrol test would suggest dbol. Even though the test is specified for anavar/winstrol.
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alphalife
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In other words, the spatula color is not relevant...
No sir. Whatever is on your spatula is not to be concerned with.
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alphalife
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Lol.........
gearedright
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Still hard to believe he has var or even Tbol. He said he gained 10 lbs in 14 days eating 1600 cals a day..................Those 1600cals must have been cheeseburgers
I would not believe it's var. The stick may bow be irrelevant but I wouldn't chance it myself. Basic has never shown me anything to win my business personally.
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Jzp87
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i did about a minutes worth of looking on meso and the var test I seen on there shows spots of red in them as well, no other var test I have ever seen shows red at all just solid yellow. The only aas I have seen have yellow and red in it is tbol, I also think what was on the end of the spatula was what he pulled out of the vial to show but I could be wrong.
rebellifter
Banned
OP - what mgs were you and your lady taking?
alphalife
New Member
He's also on test
rebellifter
Banned
That's what I am thinking as well - could have just been a mistake... I mean shit happens. My only real beef at this point is that basic hasn't tried to reply in this thread.
Ya it's not like intentional I don't think. It's just the nature of the game. There's always gonna be a couple dudes with a bad experience.
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Strengthbyfaith11
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its not intentional, its not like daruis is spinning in his office chair laughing like a villain saying he tricked all of us. I do think it is good var i loved it when i took it i just think people act different. So i agree 100% with your point
cujolaverga
New member
i was using 50mgs daily and my girl was using 10mg. i split my dose morning/night and she did the same. what was on the stick is what i pulled from the vial. And no...it wasnt fuckin cheeseburgers that put this weight on me. I used test 5 years ago, alone by itself, and have my estro under control. the weight only came on after i started the use of this "var".
cujolaverga
New member
what i meant was that i used test 5 years ago with nothing since then until recently. i undereat if anything. hell, i know i do
Jzp87
New Member
Hey bro, while I was looking for all the passed labmax results on meso I told them about the failed one you did. The rep there said he offered to pay out of his pocket to send the var in to get tested, then them fucks at meso started being dick riders so i posted the picture of that red shit so we will see what gets said.
cujolaverga
New member
Right on bro. Those boys on meso are a tad grumpy lol.
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cujolaverga
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I don't k n own if this is any better but I blew up one of the pics. It clearly has red and it's more olive green than yellow. Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
cujolaverga
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*Don't know if
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Jzp87
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I don't go there much anymore but I ain't going to put up with their shit. I mean trying to be nice they want to shit talk, even the new guys shit talk... like what the fuck do you even have hair on your nuts and you think you know about aas.. I don't give a shit tho, I guess you stop posting on a forum for a few months and they forget who you are!
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NY REBEL
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well, we will never forget you here!
Jzp87
New Member
I know bro
that's why I spend all my time here! I did my good deed by letting them know now they can figure it out hahaha. I think people just get mad if someone tells them they ordered bunk gear so they get defensive but hey at least someone told you. I got bunk gear guy showed me the blood work... did I call him a liar or bitch him out no lol I thanked him for saving my body from getting poked for months on bunk gear. Ps I love you guys 
Basicstero
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Hello everyone. I did not visit the board for a while. I did not read even my own thread several days, we have some issues with one of our bulk customer, but never mind.
I very seldom read neighbor threads, so I probably would even not notice this thread if couple of good persons hadn`t informed me about it.
Too many pages only for 2 days...Frankly speaking I have read only the first half to that moment.
I am not going to disappear at all.
cujolaverga, regarding your issue.
When you sent me an email I told you, that I have nothing to hide and offered to honestly publish your labmax results. I would reply to that. I expected you would at least update me, where you are going to publish this. But you did not. Moreover, you did not said anything about your wife and side effects or your weight gaining. I am going to speak absolutely open: this is strange for me. Anyone having such side affects would for sure immediately inform me and tell this per email, if you send email... You sent it, but no word about it. You may not like what i am saying, but I find it already suspicious. The mail you sent to me was saying:
Before I go to the forums with this, I figured I'd let you see the results from the labmax in your var. I understand things can happen, but this was a clear fail.
That`s all i received from you ever. As for me it is absolutely not typical for a person whose wife having side effects you described, etc... You also did not reply anything back to my mail. I checked Meso testing section several times and did not find anything there. So I actually did not know about this thread until good people informed me. Not to mention that we NEVER had aby reports about such side effects from our anavar on women.
For me is everything very simple. I told you per email that labmax is not reliable. One of our customers (Mythotik) on thinksteroids had failed labmax of test p and nandrolone phenyl. Lot of people accused us.... until he later took blood work and result showed great testosterone serum level in blood. This is not the first obvious prove that labmax is not really reliable for testing final products. It is for raws only. Final products contain too many additional things. Grapeseed oil itself has up to 1,5 of compounds of steroidal nature, Only this can easily influence any test.
Next, we produce pills and oils in huge amounts. Hundreds of people inkl. girls used this anavar. We have our own women athletes team. No one never reported something like this. Considering our amounts it is impossible to produce one or several pills/blisters/backages absolutely different as others. All oxandrolone boxes in our warehouse have a batch number you mentioned. Do you know what does this batch number mean?
This is in fact number of the raws batch. We buy raws in huge amounts. Hundreds of kilograms for once. These numbers are indicators of raws. What does it mean. We have a huge mixing /preparation tank where we put dozens of kilograms of raws and additional compounds. Our equipment mixes this all to get a homogeneous mass as result. After this we take samples from there and test them. As i mentioned we have our own HPLC. I inquired for result for oxandrolone for exactly this batch number (MBMN1). Here is it:
It is in Chinese, but graph is still universal for all languages. It is real oxandrolone. Yes there are some additional related substances, almost 1% put together. These are synthesizing by-products. No one drug can be 100% pure, we all understand this. These related substances are in trace amounts. There is no dbol, tbol or anything else in it. My evidence is above. I would very appreciate you to show any evidence to the public from your side. Sorry, labmax is not reliable and verifiable.
Now i saw only unreliable labmax test with suspiciously read stick and your words. You will not like, what I am saying, but my job is not to trust in what people say. Couple of weeks ago I had a message, One guy was claiming our adex is severly underdosed. He had allegedly swollen itching nipples, lumps, etc. I asked him to take a blood work. His estradiol level was even a bit lower as the lower reference limit. I have no idea what was with his nipples, but reason was for sure not our allegedly not-working adex. It was more as working as test result showed. He published it on Meso couple of weeks ago.
Too many words and sophistic. Here is the only practical and reliable solution of the issue. I have offered you per email to send your anavar to a lab for HPLC testing.
I repeat here my offer in puplic. There is a swiss lab, which is GMP-certified. It is Simec. This lab is empowered to perform steroid testing. There will be no seizures for crossing the custom. It is absolutely legal. Absolutely any private person may send samples to this lab and get verifiable result. This reslt will have an unique number. Evereone will be able to contact the lab and confirm that test results are true and test has been really performed.
Here is GMP certificate of the lab. are links no certificates for this lab. It is also ISO/EN 17025 accreditated.And not less important, it was successfully audited by the FDA (United States Food and Drug Administration).
Basicstero
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There are no smallest reason not to trust to results of this lab. Let`s send exactly your oxandrolone to this lab. I have absolutely nothing to hide. I admit the result independent on positive or negative it turns.
I saw you refused to send it. I don`t understand why. If you are complaining about it, you shall be interested in this more than any other person. Especially considering that you lose nothing.
I insist on this testing! This case is about our reputations and I want to see results. I will not leave this case without attention in any case. You have a very good chance to serve to the community and to prove, what is in these pills in fact.
Here is what to do. It takes 15 minutes of your time. Nothing more.
1. You make a photo of this oxandrolone before shipping.
2. You put the entire blister! (not a separate pill) into and envelope.
3. You print out this certificate and this and put them 4. Write the address on the envelope (you get it from Simec). Put also a paper into the envelope with the following text on it: analytical testing samples for Simec laboratory. Put envelope into any postal box. That`s all.
You can use fake name.
5. Send to Simec an email saying you sent it. Provide tracking number. Also give them email to which they shall send results. This shall be your email, my email and if required email of a third-site judge.
After we just wait about 2-3 weeks for results. That`s all!
I take all expenses for testing and postal services. If you do this I resend you ALL oxandrolone you ordered from US! Moreover, I even PAY you say 200$ additionally to all this!!! Yo have a good chance not only to help the community, but also get freebies and extra 200$.
I do not see any reason not to agree with this offer. If you still refuse, I find this strange and sorry, I can`t help you, cause in fact I have nothing from your side except your words. I from my side have HPLC result proving there is anavar inside exactly in this batch.
Actually this is all i wanted to say.
p.s. Simec - the testing lab requires that the person who places the order also pays for it. Only bank account is a possible payment option. A while ago we concluded an agreement with this lab for testing services. Each month we will send to this lab our raws and final products to test them and to publish results. We have already paid as per the first invoice and first 16 samples will be sent to the lab this week. We have our own chromotography, but all in chinese. Clear that lot of guys don`t trust to the results. As I said we have nothing to hide and will perform these tests special for our customers only. You will be able to see results in English and verify them yourself by contacting this lab personally.
So, back to my idea. We can make this anavar a part ov our testing and pay for it from our own account. No problem at all. I only fear based on my experience that some of especially doubtful persons can accuse us in being not honest or fudging the results, etc. For this reason I would offer cujolaverga to contact this lab personally by data provided on their site. Ask for invoice. Pay. Send samples. All without our involvement at all. I in our turn reimburse all expenses by paypal OR I can send money to a third-side party, a judge (trusted person on this board mutually chosen and agreed by all sides:cujolaverga, audience of this board and me). I send money to this person in advance and he keeps it until test is done and confirmed. After this he wires funds to cujolaverga.
Let`s finally do this! I had so many accusations from some people... but nobody of them was still able to prove anything, especially considering, that i take all expenses. It always wondered me...
Now your turn, cujolaverga! You can render a good favor for the entire community!
I saw you refused to send it. I don`t understand why. If you are complaining about it, you shall be interested in this more than any other person. Especially considering that you lose nothing.
I insist on this testing! This case is about our reputations and I want to see results. I will not leave this case without attention in any case. You have a very good chance to serve to the community and to prove, what is in these pills in fact.
Here is what to do. It takes 15 minutes of your time. Nothing more.
1. You make a photo of this oxandrolone before shipping.
2. You put the entire blister! (not a separate pill) into and envelope.
3. You print out this certificate and this and put them 4. Write the address on the envelope (you get it from Simec). Put also a paper into the envelope with the following text on it: analytical testing samples for Simec laboratory. Put envelope into any postal box. That`s all.
You can use fake name.
5. Send to Simec an email saying you sent it. Provide tracking number. Also give them email to which they shall send results. This shall be your email, my email and if required email of a third-site judge.
After we just wait about 2-3 weeks for results. That`s all!
I take all expenses for testing and postal services. If you do this I resend you ALL oxandrolone you ordered from US! Moreover, I even PAY you say 200$ additionally to all this!!! Yo have a good chance not only to help the community, but also get freebies and extra 200$.
I do not see any reason not to agree with this offer. If you still refuse, I find this strange and sorry, I can`t help you, cause in fact I have nothing from your side except your words. I from my side have HPLC result proving there is anavar inside exactly in this batch.
Actually this is all i wanted to say.
p.s. Simec - the testing lab requires that the person who places the order also pays for it. Only bank account is a possible payment option. A while ago we concluded an agreement with this lab for testing services. Each month we will send to this lab our raws and final products to test them and to publish results. We have already paid as per the first invoice and first 16 samples will be sent to the lab this week. We have our own chromotography, but all in chinese. Clear that lot of guys don`t trust to the results. As I said we have nothing to hide and will perform these tests special for our customers only. You will be able to see results in English and verify them yourself by contacting this lab personally.
So, back to my idea. We can make this anavar a part ov our testing and pay for it from our own account. No problem at all. I only fear based on my experience that some of especially doubtful persons can accuse us in being not honest or fudging the results, etc. For this reason I would offer cujolaverga to contact this lab personally by data provided on their site. Ask for invoice. Pay. Send samples. All without our involvement at all. I in our turn reimburse all expenses by paypal OR I can send money to a third-side party, a judge (trusted person on this board mutually chosen and agreed by all sides:cujolaverga, audience of this board and me). I send money to this person in advance and he keeps it until test is done and confirmed. After this he wires funds to cujolaverga.
Let`s finally do this! I had so many accusations from some people... but nobody of them was still able to prove anything, especially considering, that i take all expenses. It always wondered me...
Now your turn, cujolaverga! You can render a good favor for the entire community!
originalbingham
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Now that's a response...
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Strengthbyfaith11
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the fact that i have to read that twice and get a pen and paper out says something, thanks for the response basic
Oldjarhead
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Nice I'm still doing 60mgs a day and getting harder and leaner. 
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cujolaverga
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Wow that's a lot of information. It's entirely possible that my girl just doesn't react well to var. It's also possible that I'm an unfortunate fellow whose body doesn't tolerate it either.
For the sake of other Bros on this board. I'm game. I will have to reread your post as to the specifics of how this will go and how exactly we go about handling this.
As for being suspicious in nature (my email)....do you think it's possible that a guy would just cut his losses instead of pursuing it further? I didn't feel it was necessary to give you specifics on the sides we were getting. I was alerting you to a potential issue.
As I have said, if I was wrong, I will admit it and apologize, and it would be because labmax sucks, not because of malicious intent.
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For the sake of other Bros on this board. I'm game. I will have to reread your post as to the specifics of how this will go and how exactly we go about handling this.
As for being suspicious in nature (my email)....do you think it's possible that a guy would just cut his losses instead of pursuing it further? I didn't feel it was necessary to give you specifics on the sides we were getting. I was alerting you to a potential issue.
As I have said, if I was wrong, I will admit it and apologize, and it would be because labmax sucks, not because of malicious intent.
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cujolaverga
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Question..how can I put it in any mailbox and then email tracking # to simec? That would have to be done via the post office, fed ex or ups. Now that does make me a tad bit nervous
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Basicstero
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http://simec.ch/en/ - this is their page. all contact info is there. If you want we to pay for it in advance from our account and this will be ok for the audience, i ask to prepare one more invoice for this item. In this caustion i will negotiate with Simec. We pay for it. All you have to do i only to send it. I would offer to leave in blister only 3-4 pills. All other take out. Make photo of this blister before. Put it and papers into envelope. I provide you address where to send. I can make you a screenshot of an email where a lab rep sent this address to me. You can double check it and ask them directly if you want. You indicate this address on envelope and put in into mail box. send me tracking number per email, I resend it to simec as if this is a part of ou agreement. In this case it will cost even less for us. Also in this case you name will not be revealed anywhere. So all you have to do is just to put blister and papers into an envelope and send it. Under fake name just in case. You never know how american custom can react. Millard from Meso board told be it works fine if both certificates are inside.
The second option - you negotiate with them yourself without our participation at all. You find out where to ship. You pay from your account, etc.
cujolaverga
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Gonna do it...option 1. Seems less hassle for me. Props to basic on this one
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Strengthbyfaith11
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"Taking care of business every day
Taking care of business every way"
Basic is signing this right now... hahah
Taking care of business every way"
Basic is signing this right now... hahah
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