Thoughts on these sides?

[jTiq]

This is my third cycle... first was 400mg test cyp/wk with 100mg winni eod (inj). Second was about 6 months later, same cycle, but with some primo in it (only 400mg/wk so I may have been wasting my money). This time, I wanted to get on some Tren Hex with Test Cyp, but was talked into a blend of 100mg/Test P, 100mg/Tren A, 100mg/ Mast-p EOD. After my first two pins, the injection site pain was so bad that I could barely sit. By the time I moved to my delts, I was recommended to cut it with a byt of Test Cyp, so since then I added 350mg Test Cyp each week. I've noticed some pretty bad test-flu symptoms, so I actually lowered the blend dose to 50mg each of Tren-A Test-P Mast-P. I did that with .5mL of 200mg/ml Test Cyp and the first pin felt great. No flu symptoms day after. Two days later, switched back to left cheek and the pain came and so did the flu-symptoms. I feel like the flu-like symptoms only come when the injection site is really sore. I've also tried warming the oil, immediately taking a hot shower, AND using a heat pack. I'm thinking about cutting bait and going back to what I'm used to and what I know works. I do have one vial of 100mg/ml "Parabolin" and was thinking about cutting down to only 400mg/wk of Test Cyp (200mg Monday morning Thursday night), and adding the Tren Hex after the flu-like sides went away.

Any thoughts? Suggestions? Am I just being a little b? I do know that when the flu sypmtoms come, I can't go to the gym. Just so zapped and light-headed that I know it'd be a bad idea.

 

[Rhino]

Do you have any swelling or redness around the injection site?

 

[TheOldMan]

You can get Tren hex anymore, the old french parabolan was discontinued in the 90s, the esterification process to get Hex is exceptionally expensive, so you have to ask yourself what you're really getting why you buy 'hex' these days, best case scenario is that its enanthatate but who knows. Flu like system often occur due to the way in which tren is made from fina pellets and then suspended in oil with some benzyl alcohol thrown in for sterility purposes. This is where the kicker comes, often this benzyl alcohol escapes through the lungs causing tren cough (just my opinion as to what causes it) but if you dont get the sufficient amount of sterility you can get flu like symptoms due to the contamination within your body, general auto-immune response to foreign bodies. Just my old man opinion.

 

[muskate]

You can get Tren hex anymore, the old french parabolan was discontinued in the 90s, the esterification process to get Hex is exceptionally expensive, so you have to ask yourself what you're really getting why you buy 'hex' these days, best case scenario is that its enanthatate but who knows. Flu like system often occur due to the way in which tren is made from fina pellets and then suspended in oil with some benzyl alcohol thrown in for sterility purposes. This is where the kicker comes, often this benzyl alcohol escapes through the lungs causing tren cough (just my opinion as to what causes it) but if you dont get the sufficient amount of sterility you can get flu like symptoms due to the contamination within your body, general auto-immune response to foreign bodies. Just my old man opinion.

This was a really good answer. It sounds to me like your body is really not liking the tren in the blend you are using.

Stop using the 3 compound blend and just use the testosterone at 400-500mg/week. If after a few days all your symptoms disappear, you know it was the blend (most likely the tren in it) causing it.

If after removing the compound blend, your symptoms diminish, I would then finish off your cycle with a simple testosterone only cycle of 400-500mg/week for 12 weeks.

Make sure you are using an AI - aromasin at 10mg EOD.

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[jTiq]

So this "Parabolin" from Luxxe is crap? I forgot to mention in my first post I'm also taking 50mg Winni ED. Also, zero tren cough, and some swelling but no redness around the sites.

Thanks for the help.

Keep the suggestions coming.

 

[muskate]

I still recommend coming off the 3 blend compound for a week and seeing if that's what is causing the problem but 3 other tips:

1. Adding cardarine GW to your cycle at 20mg/day will help combat a lot of the side effects people experience when using tren
http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/

2. Are you using an AI with your cycle? If you aren't start dosing aromasin at 10mg EOD

3. Are you using anything for prolactin support? If you aren't start dosing cabgergoline at 0.5mg E3D

You can order everything off sarms1.com and ag-guys.com.

 

[LevButlerov]

Sounds to me like you have some bad quality oil there causing all this trouble. Therefore, I would first drop all the compounds except Testosterone, and consider changing the supplier for tren and masteron. This should help you a great deal. Also, consider using Berd's tren and masteron - several days ago I have heard from someone that their oil is of extremely high quality and does not cause PIP.

 

[jTiq]

Sounds to me like you have some bad quality oil there causing all this trouble. Therefore, I would first drop all the compounds except Testosterone, and consider changing the supplier for tren and masteron. This should help you a great deal. Also, consider using Berd's tren and masteron - several days ago I have heard from someone that their oil is of extremely high quality and does not cause PIP.

I've heard this as well... Already changed my "consultant"

 

[jTiq]

I still recommend coming off the 3 blend compound for a week and seeing if that's what is causing the problem but 3 other tips:

1. Adding cardarine GW to your cycle at 20mg/day will help combat a lot of the side effects people experience when using tren
http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/

2. Are you using an AI with your cycle? If you aren't start dosing aromasin at 10mg EOD

3. Are you using anything for prolactin support? If you aren't start dosing cabgergoline at 0.5mg E3D

You can order everything off sarms1.com and ag-guys.com.

Sounds like you're pretty knowledgeable and you've probably written or contributed to the articles I use for research.

1) I take 20mg/day of GW. I went through a bottle from SARMS1, but went to USA Peptide after. It's way more expensive but doesn't taste nearly as harsh.

2) I have Arimidex on the ready, but haven't gotten on it. I've been advised to not use it unless I start experiencing sides. It's been 2.5 weeks since I started this cycle, so I'm getting a hormone panel done today. I'm actually feeling a bit of nipple sensitivity, so I am probably going to hop onto 0.25mg of Dex EOD.

3) I'm using Caber from USA Peptide. 0.5mg twice a week.

I need to refill my GW, and I was going to get some more Caber with it. I'd like to order from sarms1, but I don't want to place two different orders. Does sarms1 have caber now?

 

[gearhead]

I need to refill my GW, and I was going to get some more Caber with it. I'd like to order from sarms1, but I don't want to place two different orders. Does sarms1 have caber now?

bro you should get cardarine gw from s1 only...only legit cardarine (original) out there...carb dost you can get from ag guys...

 

[muskate]

Sounds like you're pretty knowledgeable and you've probably written or contributed to the articles I use for research.

1) I take 20mg/day of GW. I went through a bottle from SARMS1, but went to USA Peptide after. It's way more expensive but doesn't taste nearly as harsh.

2) I have Arimidex on the ready, but haven't gotten on it. I've been advised to not use it unless I start experiencing sides. It's been 2.5 weeks since I started this cycle, so I'm getting a hormone panel done today. I'm actually feeling a bit of nipple sensitivity, so I am probably going to hop onto 0.25mg of Dex EOD.

3) I'm using Caber from USA Peptide. 0.5mg twice a week.

I need to refill my GW, and I was going to get some more Caber with it. I'd like to order from sarms1, but I don't want to place two different orders. Does sarms1 have caber now?

1. I can't speak about USA peptides as I have never ordered from them but if it tastes taste as harsh, that sounds to me like it's under dosed. I personally would order it from sarms1.com.

2. ALWAYS use an AI with your cycle. It's important to be a responsible steroid user and be proactive and use an AI BEFORE estrogen related side effects occur. Use 0.5mg EOD.

3. sarms1.com doesn't carry caber. You are going to have to order from ag-guys.com for that.

 

[jTiq]

bro you should get cardarine gw from s1 only...only legit cardarine (original) out there...carb dost you can get from ag guys...

Literally on the s1 website. Added GW to my cart, but can't find caber anywhere on it. I'm not close to out from my USA Peptide bottle, but I'd like to have it on hand.

 

[gearhead]

Literally on the s1 website. Added GW to my cart, but can't find caber anywhere on it. I'm not close to out from my USA Peptide bottle, but I'd like to have it on hand.

Bro s1 don't have caber...ag has it...ag-guys.com

 

[LevButlerov]

Sounds like you're pretty knowledgeable and you've probably written or contributed to the articles I use for research.

1) I take 20mg/day of GW. I went through a bottle from SARMS1, but went to USA Peptide after. It's way more expensive but doesn't taste nearly as harsh.

2) I have Arimidex on the ready, but haven't gotten on it. I've been advised to not use it unless I start experiencing sides. It's been 2.5 weeks since I started this cycle, so I'm getting a hormone panel done today. I'm actually feeling a bit of nipple sensitivity, so I am probably going to hop onto 0.25mg of Dex EOD.

3) I'm using Caber from USA Peptide. 0.5mg twice a week.

I need to refill my GW, and I was going to get some more Caber with it. I'd like to order from sarms1, but I don't want to place two different orders. Does sarms1 have caber now?

1. Sincerely, it is better to use something that tastes bad, but works well, rather that taking something of doubtful effectiveness just because of a more pleasant taste.
2. You should NEVER, never wait for the sides to appear. The whole point in using AI's is preventing side effects from occurring, hence you must use them from the first day of the cycle. It is always harder to deal with the side effects than just preventing them - believe you me. Especially, if you use such AI's as aromasin, which will maintain a good balance in estrogen.
3. It is a good idea to have Caber on hand - get it soon.

 

[jTiq]

1. I can't speak about USA peptides as I have never ordered from them but if it tastes taste as harsh, that sounds to me like it's under dosed. I personally would order it from sarms1.com.

2. ALWAYS use an AI with your cycle. It's important to be a responsible steroid user and be proactive and use an AI BEFORE estrogen related side effects occur. Use 0.5mg EOD.

3. sarms1.com doesn't carry caber. You are going to have to order from ag-guys.com for that.

I'll hop on my AI today. I didn't like what Arimidex did to me last time; I felt like it made me plateau faster and the back half of my cycle wasn't as gain-filled as when I didn't take arimidex (two cycles ago). I can see about getting some Aromasin from S1, but I don't know how long that'll take and if it'll be too late. Thoughts? Should I hop on 0.5 mg EOD of dex until Aromasin comes in? Or just deal with Arimidex because Aromasin will pretty much do the same thing?

 

[MikeSnow]

just stay away from blends all around man, they always sound too good to be true because they usually are, and they are sold cheap because they are underdosed usually and poor quality.