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I am organizing my next cycle and am weighing up my options. Past cycles i have had good results with dbol (1 tab ed) and test p (400mg/week). But I have been reading comments about stacking this with masteron. So my questions are:
Is this a good combo?
Is mast p or e better?
What doseage for mast?
What doseage of AI should i be using with this combo?

Any advice appreciated.....

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If you got results before do that again, unless you have v.low Masteron won't really do much for you especially with the androgenic effects of dbol and test. Why take another compound for no reason? Just my old man opinion.
 
everything is different. master on has different properties. depends on what your goals are.

And as peter said, If you've liked the results with simple dbol and test why not stick with it?
 
Stacking testosterone + dbol + masteron doesn't make much sense. Masteron is primarily a cosmetic drug. Dbol causes a lot of water retention which would negate a lot of the cosmetic benefits.

Why not do a simple testosterone + masteron cycle?

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 16
testosterone 500mg/week
masteron 300mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.
 
I agree with @muskate - you should either do Dbol or Masteron with test. Running all of these compounds together does not make much sense. Regarding the ester, if you run test p, then it is best to use masteron p too. It is always best to use the same esters with different steroids. In any case use Aromasin at 10 mgs EOD, and do so from the first day of the cycle.
 
Thanks for all the replies my BOP brothers.
Here is my plan (Happy for recommended adjustments)
1 x dbol ed
500mg test prop week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Thinking 10 weeks. Is that ok length in your opinion(s)?

Next cycle after that i will sub out the dbol for mast P @ 300mg week.

All followed by the perfect PCT to the dollar.


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bro not bad...but i would still use enanthate as a base...and add aromasin 10mgs eod for AI...and n2guard 7 caps ed for liver kidney and organ support...
 
gearhead said:
bro not bad...but i would still use enanthate as a base...and add aromasin 10mgs eod for AI...and n2guard 7 caps ed for liver kidney and organ support...
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Do you mean add enanthate ontop of what I listed? Or in place of prop?
what would you recommend doseage wise then.
N2guard is definitely on the list.

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builtfromscratch said:
Enanthate stays longer in your system correct? So takes a couple of weeks to really kick in? (Crude explanation I'm sure)

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Correct. Testosterone enanthate has a haft life of 10 days, where as testosterone propionate has a haft life of 2 days.

Both versions will start working immediately after your first injection, but the enanthate ester will take a little longer to reach peak blood hormone levels.

Enanthate is a much better option for a first cycle because it requires only twice per week injections. Propionate requires every other day injections.
 
The enanthate version is better, as there is less pinning and more stable levels of the active substance in the blood. There is no need about the enanthate ester kicking slower than prop, since you already have Dbol, which will kick in pretty fast, and will allow you to be at your best when the enanthate will start working. Also, one final note - limit your Dbol use to just 6 weeks. In your post it is not all too clear for how long you were going to use it.
 
I love test e or test c. I run it as a base for any cycle. Hell I am on trt and am on test c always.
 
LevButlerov said:
The enanthate version is better, as there is less pinning and more stable levels of the active substance in the blood. There is no need about the enanthate ester kicking slower than prop, since you already have Dbol, which will kick in pretty fast, and will allow you to be at your best when the enanthate will start working. Also, one final note - limit your Dbol use to just 6 weeks. In your post it is not all too clear for how long you were going to use it.
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I hadnt considered the length of time for dbol. I'll take ur advice and others i have seen and limit to 6 weeks.
i am a couple of weeks off starting and have to wait til JJ get more stock.
Test e and dbol cycle it will be.
Test e @500mg week (10 weeks)
Dbol ed (6 weeks)
Full details of cycle coming once i secure all my sources.

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builtfromscratch said:
I hadnt considered the length of time for dbol. I'll take ur advice and others i have seen and limit to 6 weeks.
i am a couple of weeks off starting and have to wait til JJ get more stock.
Test e and dbol cycle it will be.
Test e @500mg week (10 weeks)
Dbol ed (6 weeks)
Full details of cycle coming once i secure all my sources.

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bro you got liver support going with n2guard?
http://www.evolutionary.org/n2guard
 
IF you going to run mast you must....
Be under 10%.... Otherwise you will truly never see what this compound dose. If these requirements are met you will enjoy the best cycle ever. Its one of my favorites drop the dbol tho. Go with var or NPP.
 
builtfromscratch said:
Been looking around for it today. N2BM seems to be the spot.
Also been window shopping for HCG clomid, nova and Aromasin. Happy to get directed to a good reliable source

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finding a reliable source is all about sticking around and contributing, you'll find what you're looking for
 
Ok. Have my orders placed for all elements of the perfect pct.
Now to drop an order for test e and dbol and we are away.
I am will be interested to see what the results are like now that I will be using an AI for first time and pct....
Going to go Jungle Juice as seems to be a solid oz option and price isnt too extreme considering.


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Slight change if cycle.
Just started on combonof test p and test e.
Am going to run test p 100ml eod total 400mg per week and 250ml test e twice weekly. Will run test p for first 4 weeks. Then run just test e for last 8 weeks. Also running Aromasin 12.5mg eod during cycle.
Have ordered all the bits of 'perfect PCT' to run afterwards to.
Any comments on the cycle are welcome.

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builtfromscratch said:
Slight change if cycle.
Just started on combonof test p and test e.
Am going to run test p 100ml eod total 400mg per week and 250ml test e twice weekly. Will run test p for first 4 weeks. Then run just test e for last 8 weeks. Also running Aromasin 12.5mg eod during cycle.
Have ordered all the bits of 'perfect PCT' to run afterwards to.
Any comments on the cycle are welcome.

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bro why run test prop and test enan?
 
builtfromscratch said:
I am organizing my next cycle and am weighing up my options. Past cycles i have had good results with dbol (1 tab ed) and test p (400mg/week). But I have been reading comments about stacking this with masteron. So my questions are:
Is this a good combo?
Is mast p or e better?
What doseage for mast?
What doseage of AI should i be using with this combo?

Any advice appreciated.....

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What's your primary goal? Just size? What's your BF?


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splunk said:
What's your primary goal? Just size? What's your BF?


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Goal is to add approx 6-8kg of lean mass. Currently i am 97kg at 6'1 and 11% BF. I keep my aerobic up as i enjoy it. So aim to get BF down to around 8-9% once i shred after this cycle

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builtfromscratch said:
Goal is to add approx 6-8kg of lean mass. Currently i am 97kg at 6'1 and 11% BF. I keep my aerobic up as i enjoy it. So aim to get BF down to around 8-9% once i shred after this cycle

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bro i think you can get there without a huge steroid cycle...just with sarms...
 
builtfromscratch said:
Goal is to add approx 6-8kg of lean mass. Currently i am 97kg at 6'1 and 11% BF. I keep my aerobic up as i enjoy it. So aim to get BF down to around 8-9% once i shred after this cycle
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I would look at something like this:

Dbol first 4-6 weeks @ 30 ED
Test E 12 weeks @ 500 EW
Aromasin @ 12.5 ED


Dbol will get you moving, while test builds up over first few weeks. Aromasin will keep estrogen at bay while keeping fluid retention to a minimum.

Monitor and adjust AI as required, and add proper PCT.


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Ok. So i have kept the cycle at just test e @ 500mg week. Just starting to feel the onset of the test now. Looking forward to it kicking in properly. Running Aromasin at 12.5mg eod. Feel great so far. But the stuff tastes bloody aweful...even in juice.
Will post some updates in the coming weeks.
Big thanks for the advice guys.

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builtfromscratch said:
Ok. So i have kept the cycle at just test e @ 500mg week. Just starting to feel the onset of the test now. Looking forward to it kicking in properly. Running Aromasin at 12.5mg eod. Feel great so far. But the stuff tastes bloody aweful...even in juice.
Will post some updates in the coming weeks.
Big thanks for the advice guys.

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bro keep us posted....
 
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