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Redam said:
Man I want to homebrew! Lol I have a some homebrewed stuff from my friend on here and man it's smooth. I like the fact I know what oils are used and how I can ask for mixes lol

Now only if I brewed my own
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It dosn't take much to find out what you like! keep it extra smooth.
 
Hey guys,
Total noob here, I'm looking into TRT and will likely do it one way or the other. I like the idea of reducing my costs if I'm going to do this for the rest of my life, and I might as well learn as much as I can about what I'm doing to my body.
So, how much could I expect to save over medically prescribed or black market injectables? Is it orders of magnitude? We could use 250mg/mL test cyp solution or similar as an example.
How about legal risks of homebrewing? Do you have any experience or know of people who have had run-ins with law enforcement with this sort of thing?
If these questions are inappropriate here, or if I need to go read some stickies just let me know.
Thanks,
M
 
Meesh said:
Hey guys,
Total noob here, I'm looking into TRT and will likely do it one way or the other. I like the idea of reducing my costs if I'm going to do this for the rest of my life, and I might as well learn as much as I can about what I'm doing to my body.
So, how much could I expect to save over medically prescribed or black market injectables? Is it orders of magnitude? We could use 250mg/mL test cyp solution or similar as an example.
How about legal risks of homebrewing? Do you have any experience or know of people who have had run-ins with law enforcement with this sort of thing?
If these questions are inappropriate here, or if I need to go read some stickies just let me know.
Thanks,
M
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I can tell you Ive been on both sides and homebrewing wins in a landslide, if you know what youre doing. If youre going with legal HRT and you get on with an internet HRT clinic that takes all comers over 30, you will pay around $200 for 10ml TCyp. They have other injectables on the menu like deca, winstrol, HGH, but you will pay out the ass for it. Or you can get real lucky and walk into a doctors office that will prescribe you testosterone in which case the cost is covered depending on your insurance.

If you homebrew test C/E it will average a 200mg/ml 10ml unit cost between $8-$15 depending on your ingredients and volume buying practices. You will have to order your powder from china most likely, and that is your only legal pinch point. The most trouble you will have is the post office or customs seizing your powder and you have to re-order it, unless the supplier will reship for free. If your shipment gets seized theres a phone number for the post office, but forget about it, unless you like uncomfortable questions about what it is and what youre doing with it. Just write it off and consider it a loss.
 
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Great, thank you for the info. So you're generally safe if you just don't bother to claim the package? Need to get new address after that or will the next order go through fine? Have people actually been busted just on buying that large an amount of powder and charged with intent to distribute, without any other evidence of dealing?
Big thanks for any info anyone can provide on this.

M
 
Meesh said:
Great, thank you for the info. So you're generally safe if you just don't bother to claim the package? Need to get new address after that or will the next order go through fine? Have people actually been busted just on buying that large an amount of powder and charged with intent to distribute, without any other evidence of dealing?
Big thanks for any info anyone can provide on this.

M
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If youre ordering multiple kilos, yea good chance they arent going to let the package sit just because you ignore it. If youre homebrewing just for yourself theres absolutely no reason for you to order more than 100G at a time, which is complete chump change to customs. If it gets held up no reason to go panic and change your address, just try again and maybe tell your supplier if he has different shipping options like different ports of entry or different carriers etc
 
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Yeah I did the math and 100g should be good for about 7.5 years of trt. I won't be alive long enough to use a kilo.
 
Redam said:
Yeah bro! A lot of the evo users are pretty knowledgeable. But just like every forum, we have some newbies also!

Stay and have fun and chat it up
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Yeah for sure! I just don't want to be accused of trying to get my post count higher or any thing... So I'm trying to be a bit more selective of how often I post..
 
Meesh said:
Hey guys,
Total noob here, I'm looking into TRT and will likely do it one way or the other. I like the idea of reducing my costs if I'm going to do this for the rest of my life, and I might as well learn as much as I can about what I'm doing to my body.
So, how much could I expect to save over medically prescribed or black market injectables? Is it orders of magnitude? We could use 250mg/mL test cyp solution or similar as an example.
How about legal risks of homebrewing? Do you have any experience or know of people who have had run-ins with law enforcement with this sort of thing?
If these questions are inappropriate here, or if I need to go read some stickies just let me know.
Thanks,
M
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I'm on trt, as long as I have insurance mine will be through my Dr, the bloodwork, checkups, and scripts are cheaper

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dinkleberg said:
Yeah for sure! I just don't want to be accused of trying to get my post count higher or any thing... So I'm trying to be a bit more selective of how often I post..
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You'll do we'll here by doing what you're doing. The three word worthless bastards who use this board for a source, then disappear, should be tarred and feathered.
 
So here is some learning for you. I was bored last night and wanted to try something. I took 70 grams of test cyp. And tried to get it to hold in 70ml of liquid. So essentially 1000mg/ml. Needles to say it crashed like a mofo. Which I kinda knew it would. Funny thing is it crashed when bottling it in small 10ml bottles. So I reheated it to clear liquid and just threw it in a 100ml bottle after adding 30ml of eo thinking maybe it would hold. Which it didn't. Anyway put it in the 100ml jug. And the funny thing was I checked it in the am. And it held in the big jug. So just for fun I took 3 cc's out and put it in a 10ml bottle. It immediately crashed. And then because there was 3ml of space in the 100ml jug it also crashed. But when it was full to the top it couldn't crash because there was no room. So it held it self stable because there was no room for the crystals to form. Isn't that trippy?

KRAZIEONE
 
mh48500 said:
Sesame has always been my oil of choice!
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That's going to be the carrier oil of choice for me going forward. I like the low viscosity of the GSO, but it can go rancid after a year. I've had prescribed test lay in a vial in my old gym bag, was expired by five years, and still was good to go. Yes, I injected all of it lol, when I found the old stash, and no problems at all.
 
krazieone56 said:
So here is some learning for you. I was bored last night and wanted to try something. I took 70 grams of test cyp. And tried to get it to hold in 70ml of liquid. So essentially 1000mg/ml. Needles to say it crashed like a mofo. Which I kinda knew it would. Funny thing is it crashed when bottling it in small 10ml bottles. So I reheated it to clear liquid and just threw it in a 100ml bottle after adding 30ml of eo thinking maybe it would hold. Which it didn't. Anyway put it in the 100ml jug. And the funny thing was I checked it in the am. And it held in the big jug. So just for fun I took 3 cc's out and put it in a 10ml bottle. It immediately crashed. And then because there was 3ml of space in the 100ml jug it also crashed. But when it was full to the top it couldn't crash because there was no room. So it held it self stable because there was no room for the crystals to form. Isn't that trippy?

KRAZIEONE
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That's a trip, no question. I was wondering if you were going to inject it, and if I'd be able to hear your screams all the way to Florida if you added enough BA and BB to make it hold. Ouch! Lol!
 
No I'm gonna wait. Cause I don't have anymore filters or big syringes. But I'm thinking I'm gonna add 3ml ba 10-15 bb and the rest eo and get it 125 ml and it will hold. That will he 560mg/ml. Still potent.

KRAZIEONE
 
krazieone56 said:
If I pushed it to 140 ml. That would still put me at 500mg/ml

KRAZIEONE
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If you can pull it off without it being rattlesnake venom, I'd be curious. I have some t500 I bought, and NO, i won't touch it nor give any away after a 2ml injection. I hate to throw it in the trash, but unless I dilute it down with EO, I can't imagine what else would work. That injection had me literally thinking I was going to wind up having to lay prone for the next decade! It hurt for two weeks, and DESTROYED my gym time. I'd recommend, once you get it to 500mg/ml, inkect a tiny bit first, and give it two days to see where you stand on pain.
 
i cant imagine the pip in 1kmg/ml...thats a lot of gear in a small squirt! shame you couldnt get it to hold together properly!
 
lol.."im bored...ill just throw 70 grams of test in here with a little oil..lets see what happens!"...resident mad scientist
 
Robolics Terminator T-800 is the worst pip you could ever imagine. Not for sale for obvious reasons
 
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Robolics Terminator T-800 is the worst pip you could ever imagine. Not for sale for obvious reasons
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I can imagine a person would think they need a battery powered wheel chair to get around. Lol My t500 is so evil, I really fall short on words for the agony, so yours must be wicked.
 
The inflammation was so bad the hip nerve was being pressed on causing the ball and socket itself hard to move

Yea i finally went to the doc and made up some shit for the visit just to get answers

Never again
 
What I came home to.

KRAZIEONE
 

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$50. For 110 ml of 636 mg /ml test cyp. Uh no. Plus I don't think u want to use it. You won't walk for three weeks lol

KRAZIEONE
 
OK well it started as 70ml fun. So it was 70 grams of test cyp powder.

It obviously crashed as it cooled as I mostly figured it would.

But that was 3% ba 15% bb and the rest eo about 30ml.

Crashed so I reheated it added more everything to get to the right ratio for 110 ml.

Its stable when u fill the jug w no room

If I draw out even 2cc out of that u will watch it crash right before your eyes. Lol I should do a video. Lol

KRAZIEONE
 
Ya I need to get some more filters and big syringes. And I was thinking about getting that vaccum pump cause its a bitch to fill vials by hand.

KRAZIEONE
 
How much does it cost for the equipment to start brewing. No including powder

I'm interested but I generally but home brew from a friend on here
 
Cheap. Filters are like .50 a piece. I use a .40 micron. Syringes the big ones are cheap. Maybe a buck or two. The ba and bb and eo also cheap. The vaccum pump is only $50. You could get everything including some beakers for like $100?

KRAZIEONE
 
krazieone56 said:
Cheap. Filters are like .50 a piece. I use a .40 micron. Syringes the big ones are cheap. Maybe a buck or two. The ba and bb and eo also cheap. The vaccum pump is only $50. You could get everything including some beakers for like $100?

KRAZIEONE
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That doesn't sound like a bad deal at all. I've been reading up on all of this on meso and it seems easy!
 
Last time I brewed which was just like a week ago. Stuff I could actually use. It cost $140 for the powder. And $60 for the liquids and supplies and I made 12 bottles of 500mg/ml test cyp eq blend. Injects like butter

KRAZIEONE
 
Brewing has taken off, and keeps growing. It's not as hard as some make it seem. If someone has enough common sense to follow strict directions, and learn about sterile technique, they'll do fine.
 
But hey we still need our boys like robo and bwl to keep hook in us up with sick gear too.

Sometimes you want to make ur own steak at home and sometimes you want to go out and have a steak. Ya know?

KRAZIEONE
 
Gonna be compounding a tren suspension, and test suspension, both water based. I'm a fan of test suspension, and since I'll be going back to tren in short durations, can imagine what these will be like for pre work out, as well as contest prep. Here's the first recipe for tne suspension:


"Here is his first recipe that does include filter instructions. If you trust your powder and you have properly made sterile water usuing all sterile equipment then no need to fuck with filters.



Guys, I've been working my butt off to perfect this and I finally got it. Here is a formula for Test no ester (water based suspention) at 75mg/ml that will pass through a 30ga slin pin with no clogging. ENJOY!!!


TNE suspention 75mg/ml
Supplies needed
1.5 Grams TNE powder
2 .22um whatman filter
1 10ml vial
1 20ml vial
2 18ga pins with 3ml plungers
1 5 ml plunger
1 10ml plunger
2 ml Benzyl Benzoate (10%)
.4 ml Benzyl Alcohol (2%)
.6 ml Polysorbate 80 (3%)***Trust me on this***
15.875 ml Distilled water

1. Add your BB and PS80 to your beaker (10ml vial) with your TNE powder and heat until it is in liquid form.

2. reduce heat enough to keep it liquid (med low temp on a hot plate) ***note: you must keep it on heat so it does not crash while filtering into the distilled water***

3 Put .4 ml BA and 15.875 ml distilled water in your 20ml vile.

4. Most of you will prefer to filter the BB/PS80/TNE mix which it great, but I prefer just to use a glass dropper to slowly drop it into the water 1ml at a time (BECAUSE GLASS WILL NOT MELT IN YOUR HAND) However, if you want to filter the concentrate use a .45um whatman filter and only do 1 ml at a time.

5. slowly add your BB/PS80/TNE mixture to your water 1 ml at a time, and after every ml you add put the stopper on the vile and shake vigerously. REMEMBER ONE ML AT A TIME. **THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT**

by the time you're done it should be milky white and perfect, with this method it won't clump or seperate to the bottom like it did with PEG. The TNE will stay milky and completely seperated and will go through a 30ga by 1/2" slin pin like pure water with no clogging and no pain at all!"

Yes, that was a copy and paste. Opinions?

Another copy and paste that does seem to make better sense (for me, anyway)

And note, this is for winny, but tne will be substituted, as well as a change to the recipe:


"How to make Winstrol Suspension @ 100mg/mL X 20mL in water.

-2 grams stanozolol powder X 0.75 displacement volume = 1.5mL
-24% BB = 4.8mL
-3% BA = 0.6mL
- 3% Polysorbate 80 = 0.6mL
-DISTILLED Water (ONLY use Distilled Water!) 12.5mL

Procedures:
-Combine stanozolol powder, BA, BB, PS80 and heat until clear while swirling.
-Filter slowly with a Sterile 0.22um Syringe Filter directly into a Sterile Vial.
- Filter the distilled water with a new Sterile 0.22um Syringe filter into the vial - Keep swirling the vial as you filter in the distilled water.
-Vigorously shake the Winstrol in the vial for a few minutes

Complete! You now have Winny @ 100mg/mL X 20mL.

NOTE: your final Winny solution will look foamy or airy. After you shake the hell out of it, let it sit untouched for 3 days. You will see it settle out with the water on top as usual. This will be very micronized and settling out will take days, so do not be concerned.
This will produce the standard PIP of Winstrol found in Underground Labs, it is not totally painfree - but not painful."

Opinions?
 
And another for suspension:

"since this recipe seems to have disappeared i will post mine. numerous members have msg'd me for this recipe and all have used it without any problems. this recipe also works for TNE with a small change (volume might also be a touch off but nothing huge....just top up with more sterile water to reach desired volume) follow the recipe, do it slowly and you will be grinning ear to ear!

this recipe works for both winny and test suspension. ***THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT FOR TEST SUSPENSION YOU SUBSTITUTE BB FOR THE PEG400. BB FOR TEST SUSPENSION AND PEG400 FOR WINSTROL*** happy brewing bro's

here is my recipe i use for winny. its for 20ml but im sure you can figure the math out for whatever amount you need.

1) mix 14.25ml distilled water with .4ml ba
2) pass thru a filter into a 20ml vial
3) put 2ml peg400 into beaker and add 0.6ml polysorbate 80
4) add 1 gram of stan powder to peg/ps80 mix
5) heat until clear. heat will be high and might smoke a little. this is ok
6) allow to cool so as to not melt filter
7) run thru a new clean filter into the vial containing the distilled water. add it in slowly. drop by drop. (not one drop a second but close)

as it hits the water the winny will titrate back into micronized form in the water. as the winny hits the water the oil turns into little white balls of winny and they slowly fall to the bottom of the water vial. use air to purge all of the winny from the filter. once all the winny is in the water shake very well. for me this results in winny i can shoot thru a 29 gauge pin. its so micronized that it takes about 4 to 5 days of sitting absolutely still to seperate into a suspension. thing of beauty. happy brewing brother. also the ps80 i have found is a must. it keeps the winny from clumping and ruining your conversion."

With a little time, I believe I can compound a tren as well as test suspension that won't bring the pain typical suspensions can, plus be water based.
 
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How bout a test/tren no ester mix?


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That's what I would consider to be the epitome of a pre workout injection! I'm actually wanting to keep both compounds separate, however, for contest prep use. I mixed stuff years ago, and when I ran into a problem, I couldn't narrow it down to one culprit.
 
devildog said:
That's what I would consider to be the epitome of a pre workout injection! I'm actually wanting to keep both compounds separate, however, for contest prep use. I mixed stuff years ago, and when I ran into a problem, I couldn't narrow it down to one culprit.
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Wag I was hoping you already struggled through figuring out how to make it all hold so I didn't have to waste any powder trying to figure it out


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Wag I was hoping you already struggled through figuring out how to make it all hold so I didn't have to waste any powder trying to figure it out


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No, I haven't compounded this yet. I will say, however, I'm considering making both the tren suspension and test suspension 50mg/ml's vs 100mg/ml, as with a water based suspension, I'm reading that the odds of crashing at 100-130mg/ml is significant. If you take a look at the alpha pharma tren suspension, you'll notice it's also 50mg/ml. It doesn't hurt me at all to inject 2ml's vs one. Hell, I'm a walking pin cushion. Lol!
 
I forgot to mention, my test suspension that I buy is 100mg/ml. And yes, it does sting a little. Lol! I'm kinda sick, as when I'm close to the stage, the sting gives me something to look forward to. LOL!!!!!!!
 
devildog said:
No, I haven't compounded this yet. I will say, however, I'm considering making both the tren suspension and test suspension 50mg/ml's vs 100mg/ml, as with a water based suspension, I'm reading that the odds of crashing at 100-130mg/ml is significant. If you take a look at the alpha pharma tren suspension, you'll notice it's also 50mg/ml. It doesn't hurt me at all to inject 2ml's vs one. Hell, I'm a walking pin cushion. Lol!
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I never understood why people were scared of a couple exta ml or two.... but dont think twice of the BA or BB or the hormone.....Also an injection site IMO can take more mls than people expect...that came from running Crecibol Boldenona here in Mexico at 50mg/ml....figure the weekly on that. lol

Oh and the reason...I didnt have a better option until I learned to homebrew!
 
mh48500 said:
I never understood why people were scared of a couple exta ml or two.... but dont think twice of the BA or BB or the hormone.....Also an injection site IMO can take more mls than people expect...that came from running Crecibol Boldenona here in Mexico at 50mg/ml....figure the weekly on that. lol

Oh and the reason...I didnt have a better option until I learned to homebrew!
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Oh yes, I used to go to Matamoros often 15 years ago, and the only Equipoise around then that could be counted on was the Fort Dodge brand that was in 50ml jugs, and 50mg/ml. I used to buy 5ml syringes back then, and inject 5ml's per side of that Eq. Some guys were shocked by that, but I did it all the time then.
 
devildog said:
Oh yes, I used to go to Matamoros often 15 years ago, and the only Equipoise around then that could be counted on was the Fort Dodge brand that was in 50ml jugs, and 50mg/ml. I used to buy 5ml syringes back then, and inject 5ml's per side of that Eq. Some guys were shocked by that, but I did it all the time then.
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Yeah me too, it sucks but it was necessary. When Fort Dodge was purchased by Pfizer, did they end that EQ, or continue on with the same name? You still see alot of that on the web and I dont think its stil produced....just curious.
 
Ive been wanting to put together a starters guide for those new to homebrewing. A kind of quick start guide laying out the basic equipment needed, instructions, etc, just to have it all in one place. Anyone already have something to work off, to not reinvent the wheel?

If not that is my weekend project.
 
So I got some winstrol recently and made a 2000mg batch as liquid. Using the following.

2g Winstrol powder
15.6 ml PEG 300
62.4 ml 190 Proof alcohol

So Usually you mix the peg and powder until it dissolves, remove it and let it cool down and add your 190 proof alcohol. Though it had some trouble dissolving so I added small amounts of alcohol and it dissolved right away easy. I removed it but forgot to let it cooldown before slowly adding the rest of the alcohol, I'm just wondering if the cooldown process is all that important, thanks.
 
mh48500 said:
Ive been wanting to put together a starters guide for those new to homebrewing. A kind of quick start guide laying out the basic equipment needed, instructions, etc, just to have it all in one place. Anyone already have something to work off, to not reinvent the wheel?

If not that is my weekend project.
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please do bor
 
Any advice on making tren ace that doesn't crash? My last brew has swirls in it. I have to reheat it every time I pin to get it to mix together. I did the regular amount of ba and bb with 20 percent EO as well in GSO.
 
mh48500 said:
Ive been wanting to put together a starters guide for those new to homebrewing. A kind of quick start guide laying out the basic equipment needed, instructions, etc, just to have it all in one place. Anyone already have something to work off, to not reinvent the wheel?

If not that is my weekend project.
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Best noob advice right here.
Dont use the syringe filters. Spend the money and get a pump cause you will after you realize the other filters dont work.
 
mh48500 said:
Ive been wanting to put together a starters guide for those new to homebrewing. A kind of quick start guide laying out the basic equipment needed, instructions, etc, just to have it all in one place. Anyone already have something to work off, to not reinvent the wheel?

If not that is my weekend project.
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I think this would be a great idea. A one stop shop for "Here's what you need to know, to understand just about every post in this thread." A glossary of terms and abbreviations would be hot too. Not sure if a MOD can pin it to the top when you finish. ANyway- around page 18 DD put up some recipes as well. It might be best to create a "HOMEBREWER WANNABES- READ THIS FIRST", get your info onto it and have it locked. THen nobody needs to dig around for the straight dope!
 
mh48500 said:
Yeah me too, it sucks but it was necessary. When Fort Dodge was purchased by Pfizer, did they end that EQ, or continue on with the same name? You still see alot of that on the web and I dont think its stil produced....just curious.
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That's a good question. I've not seen that particular brand of eq in a long time. I remember buying 100 50ml jugs once. Those were the days before sept 11, and we actually had some freedom back then. It's damned sad that our government uses terror excuses to increase their war on drugs. A war that's an udder failure, and always will be.
 
mh48500 said:
Ive been wanting to put together a starters guide for those new to homebrewing. A kind of quick start guide laying out the basic equipment needed, instructions, etc, just to have it all in one place. Anyone already have something to work off, to not reinvent the wheel?

If not that is my weekend project.
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That would be a great thing to have here!
 
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