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devildog said:
I do actually take it over the top. And yes, I look ridiculous in the process, but when I stab myself with it, I know it's right. Speaking of over the top, I did email asking for a quote on one of these Lol! http://www.aircleansystems.org/process_vertical.htm
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Doesnt the cost start at about $20k? My old compounding pharmacy installed one when I was going back and forth the US and I think the phbarmacist undrstood my interest.
 
devildog said:
This thread would be even more interesting if you posted a-z instructions for this.
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Yeah you can make one but it's probably a headache. But... if you got some tutorial on how to build one that would be bad ass! Nothing like working in a ventilated hood to keep it clean.
 
Im not sure how much vapor is released during the brewing process so that might require a vent but a large enough cardboard box lined with some kind of plastic with a big window in the front cut out with plexiglass over it and a hole in each side for your arms was sufficient enough for mycelium inoculation which requires a more stringent sterile technique. Disinfect the inside before use and its cheap enough to trash after use. A vent wouldn't be much more than a hole in the top with a HEPA filter on the inside and a computer fan sucking air out.

Definitely a run on sentence in there.
 
Obviously it needs to be large enough to fit a hot plate and all your supplies. If you wanted to get cute you could rig up a UV light and let that run with everything in there but the powder for a few hours..
 
Anybody sick and fucking tired of seeing guys still posting about "baking" gear? I dont see it here but on other forums you do. I actually had an idiot claim in all his 15 years of experience he had never heard of being able to not use BB in a brew.

Im working on the guide I swear, my new office that I just moved to has NO internet. Remember guys this is Mexico and we have Taco Bell, not Pac Bell. They told me I could not get telephone or internet because the network was saturated in my area. Then I walked outside and realized there are no phone polls to my left or right for almost 200 meters. I called back and if I want a phone I have to pay for the polls, I fuckin kid you not!
 
You would have to bake it at 160 C for two hours to kill the same bacteria as an autoclave at like 5 minutes at 121c.

I mean it just seems like a very old way of actually not accomplishing anything.
 
Yeah you see that shit on some other forums (there is no good substitute for a lack of sterility) I got some gear from a buddy that I could tell was loaded with ba I could smell it and after I pinned it my sweat smelled like ba and the pip was not fun I thought I got an infection it hurt so bad I ended up giving it back to him and will never take any of his shit again ice since hooked him up with mine a few times and he's amazed at how smooth it is with no pip (it's called a sterile environment and minimal ba) pretty easy concept if you ask me


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mh48500 said:
Anybody sick and fucking tired of seeing guys still posting about "baking" gear? I dont see it here but on other forums you do. I actually had an idiot claim in all his 15 years of experience he had never heard of being able to not use BB in a brew.

Im working on the guide I swear, my new office that I just moved to has NO internet. Remember guys this is Mexico and we have Taco Bell, not Pac Bell. They told me I could not get telephone or internet because the network was saturated in my area. Then I walked outside and realized there are no phone polls to my left or right for almost 200 meters. I called back and if I want a phone I have to pay for the polls, I fuckin kid you not!
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Now I get it I didn't catch the Taco Bell joke when you first sent it to me now that you're comparing the service to Packard bell that's pretty funny good luck with everything can't you get a smartphone with the internet and just get a cell booster in your house? I'm not sure how things work in Mexico but my cell has unlimited everything and back when reception was really shitty before they started throwing cell towers up everywhere some people would put signal boosters in their houses and cars (the kind that you have to plug in for an amplified antenna actually do work)


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bobsyouruncle said:
Now I get it I didn't catch the Taco Bell joke when you first sent it to me now that you're comparing the service to Packard bell that's pretty funny good luck with everything can't you get a smartphone with the internet and just get a cell booster in your house? I'm not sure how things work in Mexico but my cell has unlimited everything and back when reception was really shitty before they started throwing cell towers up everywhere some people would put signal boosters in their houses and cars (the kind that you have to plug in for an amplified antenna actually do work)


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Unlimited everything doesnt exist. We still get charged for localcalls and the landline charges more to call a cell phone. My office which is 25min drive from my house is in a different are code and I get charged roaming, so I need two phones.

Thisis what happens with monopolies, Carlos Slim.
 
Question for you seasoned homebrewers. Anyone have any experience making injectable orals, (Dbol, Adrol). I have found a couple of guides on making oil suspended winstrol, but not sure if it were to be the same procedure with other orals.
 
Narko514 said:
Question for you seasoned homebrewers. Anyone have any experience making injectable orals, (Dbol, Adrol). I have found a couple of guides on making oil suspended winstrol, but not sure if it were to be the same procedure with other orals.
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Why make it injectable in the first place? If its methylolated it still will be later.
 
[QU OTE=J50441;80161]Why make it injectable in the first place? If its methylolated it still will be later.[/QUOTE]
I've heard injectable is more potent and easier in your liver I was looking into this but then decided to brew tne and tren no ester as a injectable pre workout and I'm capping a anadrol/dbol blend as we speak



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J50441 said:
Why make it injectable in the first place? If its methylolated it still will be later.
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For the same reason as some prefer injectable winstrol, just a little easier on the liver. But I'm also just curious about it, trying to expand my knowledge of homebrewing as much as I can.
 
2)250ml @ 80 mg/ml
20 gram of Methandrostenolone powder （1ml=1.12g）17.86ml
40ml BB
10ml BA
182.14ml Grapeseed Oil



3)250ml @ 80 mg/ml

20g Dianabol powder (1.12g/ml )17.86ml （1g=0.89ml）
60ml BB
15ml BA
157.14ml Grapeseed oil



4)100ml @ 50mg/ml

dianabol 5g (5.6ml)
15%Guaiacol
2% BA
18% BB
30% EO
Grapeseed oil 29.4ml

5)50ml @ 50mg/ml
2.5g powder 2.23ml
1% ba 0.5ml
18% bb 9ml
15% guaiacol 7.5ml
red oil 31.77ml (1ml=0.909g)




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[QU OTE=J50441;80161]Why make it injectable in the first place? If its methylolated it still will be later.
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I've heard injectable is more potent and easier in your liver I was looking into this but then decided to brew tne and tren no ester as a injectable pre workout and I'm capping a anadrol/dbol blend as we speak[/QUOTE]


Out of curiosity which capper do you use? And do you just use desiccant sacks for mixing your powder/filler?

You're kickin ass with posting these recipes man, I'll try the Anadrol one tonight or tomorrow!
 
It's a homemade capper made out of mostly plexiglass it does 100 size 4 caps at a crack if you look through this thread I posted pics of me capping some stuff up as far as mixing goes I don't use a bag I mix on a plate with raised edges similar to how someone might cut cocaine


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So I found a little set of instructions, this guy used this for dbol/anadrol and even prohormones.

Basically used a BA/BB ratio of 2.5%/17.5% and the displacement value of .80

At this point he used the basic Raw powder calculator. for example Dbol at 40mg/ml, a 10ml batch would look like so:

Oil: 7.68
Powder: .40g
BA: .25 ml
BB: 1.75 ml

He mention this worked for dbol, adrol, anavar and pro-hormones etc. Though I do not know if it would work for odd powders such as winstrol.

Made a small 20ml batch at 40mg/ml. Just giving it a 30 min bake and will test it later. I'll backload a slin pin and try it like that.
 
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It's a homemade capper made out of mostly plexiglass it does 100 size 4 caps at a crack if you look through this thread I posted pics of me capping some stuff up as far as mixing goes I don't use a bag I mix on a plate with raised edges similar to how someone might cut cocaine


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thats a really nice DIY rig btw..
 
Lol! I appreciate the offer but I can't cross that bridge right now, believe me I want to though.

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Narko514 said:
For the same reason as some prefer injectable winstrol, just a little easier on the liver. But I'm also just curious about it, trying to expand my knowledge of homebrewing as much as I can.
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I've always noticed a strong difference in the use of injectible stanozolol over tabs in the same dose. I just gave away 300 10mg winny tabs ive had forever to a friend of mine. Lol
 
devildog said:
I've always noticed a strong difference in the use of injectible stanozolol over tabs in the same dose. I just gave away 300 10mg winny tabs ive had forever to a friend of mine. Lol
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I have heard the same about inyectable Dbol, but my droppers aré so easy that I became complacement.
 
mh48500 said:
I have heard the same about inyectable Dbol, but my droppers aré so easy that I became complacement.
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Never tried the inj dbol. As for most orals, I can handle them in a liquid suspension. It's just peg300, and grain alcohol. Pretty easy to get down. I like the small dropper bottles personally for taking with me. Gotta have a gear bag! Lol
 
Started my injectable dbol through slin pins. I'll put an update in a week or so see how it turns out. By the way, has anyone managed to make Oil based winstrol without guaiacol and not have it crash?
 
Hi, thanks for the answers you guys gave me on my first posts here (about 20pages back now lol). I'm a noob to all this and getting ready to set up a TRT program for myself.

I have another question; if I order ampoules and then try to consolidate them to vials somehow for use is that crazy? Or is there a good way to dump a bunch of amps to a container and then filter it down to a vial.
Curious about this because I'm getting ready to order some t-cyp and domestic supply only has amps right now. Had trouble trying to use another shop and figured I might want to start out my first time with real pharma grade stuff anyway, before I try to save money on cheaper.

Any advice appreciated, thanks.
 
Meesh said:
Hi, thanks for the answers you guys gave me on my first posts here (about 20pages back now lol). I'm a noob to all this and getting ready to set up a TRT program for myself.

I have another question; if I order ampoules and then try to consolidate them to vials somehow for use is that crazy? Or is there a good way to dump a bunch of amps to a container and then filter it down to a vial.
Curious about this because I'm getting ready to order some t-cyp and domestic supply only has amps right now. Had trouble trying to use another shop and figured I might want to start out my first time with real pharma grade stuff anyway, before I try to save money on cheaper.

Any advice appreciated, thanks.
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Huh? Why not just break amps when you need them? If you want to put in a multi dose vial, buy a 100ml sterile vial that's capped. Buy a 60ml syringe, and some 18g pins. Filter it? It's already sterile, so no.
 
Devildog,
Thanks for the reply.
So, for my TRT dosing I won't be injecting a whole mL at a time. So once the amp is open, it isn't really sterile anymore if I wait another day to use the rest of it, right? So that's why I was thinking I'd filter them off to a vial.

Do you guys store HCG once you're prepped it, or are you taking all 5000IU at once? No way I'll be taking that much at once.
 
Meesh said:
Devildog,
Thanks for the reply.
So, for my TRT dosing I won't be injecting a whole mL at a time. So once the amp is open, it isn't really sterile anymore if I wait another day to use the rest of it, right? So that's why I was thinking I'd filter them off to a vial.

Do you guys store HCG once you're prepped it, or are you taking all 5000IU at once? No way I'll be taking that much at once.
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You need to read up more about this. No kidding.
Ok, load the syringes you want to use for that one amp, then re-cap the syringes.
Yes, hcg needs to be refrigerated after solvent is added.
Do more reading about this stuff.
 
OK thanks. I'm reading and starting to make some purchases and that's all I'm doing right now, just to be clear.
So just load up the syringe and store the oil in the syringe. That makes sense. It seems I'm OK to get amps then.

I will not actually start taking any of these drugs until:
1. I have confirmed that my doctor is definitely not going to prescribe any TRT (that's pretty much done at this point)
2. I have confirmed with people more knowledgeable than myself that my materials, tools, methods and plan are sound
3. I have discussed with my doc what I'm doing and gotten advice on what parameters to monitor.
 
I posted a reply earlier but maybe it didn't go through?
Thanks again for the info, and yes I will read up more.
Just to reassure you; I'm not actually doing any of this yet and I won't be until I have researched more thoroughly on all of this stuff.
I have tons to learn yet about methods, tools, compounds, blood analysis, etc.
I am starting to purchase a few things though, so right now making sure that I purchase things I will actually use.
 
Meesh said:
I posted a reply earlier but maybe it didn't go through?
Thanks again for the info, and yes I will read up more.
Just to reassure you; I'm not actually doing any of this yet and I won't be until I have researched more thoroughly on all of this stuff.
I have tons to learn yet about methods, tools, compounds, blood analysis, etc.
I am starting to purchase a few things though, so right now making sure that I purchase things I will actually use.
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Sounds good. You can always shop while you learn. I call this "male version of shopping," as it's actually fun. Lol!
 
How do you guys test the purity of your powders (if you even do)?
I'm guessing a melting point test.
Can you recommend a lab hot plate with an accurate temp display? ~100 bucks

Thanks.
 
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bobsyouruncle said:
I wish there was a calculator to figure out capping doing the math on it takes almost as long as the actual mixing/capping sometimes you get lucky and you can find a filler with the same density and volume as your active compound but that's about as common as a leprechaun sighting anyway just a list if compounds and their weight by volume would be helpful maybe I'll make a chart one of these days probably not anytime soon I'm running short on time these days


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Bob, you could make a logic based excel spreed sheet that would do all your calculations for u. I have written these many times in the past.
 
mh48500 said:
Bob has spoken! I understand what you mean...lol. I like your idea though about giving it out amongst some new Bros with the agreement that they will try to brew, post their experiences, etc. It would be nice tool to promote the lounge.

I am going to send this 100 grams over to a special VIP then and once we get settled in a bit more here I will be happy to offer it again with the idea of getting some new guys involved.

I got you covered Bob, I will hit you with a little Test Prop as a thank you with the current order.
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I'm in...if 10 is still available. I'm ordering gear in the next two weeks. Will have some prop on the way to.
 
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Bob, you could make a logic based excel spreed sheet that would do all your calculations for u. I have written these many times in the past.
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I'm pretty smart but the only computer knowledge I have is limited to checking email and writing up/printing contracts/invoices I tried playing around with excel and without a tutorial or some knowledge of how everything functions I'm lost


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I'm setting up to cap 100 of my anadrol/dbol blend 30mg adrol 20mg dbol pure pharma grade caffiene powder as a filler I can make these with any filler it can't kick production into full gear until the rest of my powder arrives this is a sample run to find weight/volume and let a couple of my boys run it before I sell these beauties


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bobsyouruncle said:
I'm pretty smart but the only computer knowledge I have is limited to checking email and writing up/printing contracts/invoices I tried playing around with excel and without a tutorial or some knowledge of how everything functions I'm lost


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It's logic functions....so you write in logic based code in excel....like arguments If this (x), then this (y). I use to work as a consultant and did a lot of gov reading of rules and regulations. I had to train people but got tired of it. So I took an entire states worth of rules and regulations and wrote a one page excel spreed sheet based purely on logic based fx that condensed all the rules and regs (the part of the code that require certain ft of this if you want to do that sort of thing). Then I took those fx's and linked them to a drop down "menu" type form made in Word. Took me about 24 hrs, once i was done I uploaded it to a tablet based computers for our trainees and said "here if u can measure with a tape measure you now understand an entire states code and it will pick the right system the client needs".
So what I'm saying is if you know your variables: pill size, conc of powder and what ever variables we can make u a spreed sheet and all you would do is put the conc u want and it will give u an answer. Would be easy to do in a few hrs...hell maybe mins.
 
I use a tape measure every day! I did the calculations the old school way and the final numbers are in! 30mg anadrol 20mg dbol 60mg caffiene should be a nice combo I'll post pics when done


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I use a tape measure every day! I did the calculations the old school way and the final numbers are in! 30mg anadrol 20mg dbol 60mg caffiene should be a nice combo I'll post pics when done


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That sounds like a great combo bob!
 
bobsyouruncle said:
I use a tape measure every day! I did the calculations the old school way and the final numbers are in! 30mg anadrol 20mg dbol 60mg caffiene should be a nice combo I'll post pics when done


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hahaha...awesome!!!
 
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EER said:
also this is a good scale....right? http://www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com/scales-weigh-supplies/digital-scale-with-0-01g-sensitivity.html

Man I wish I was still working in a lab...I could have all this stuff in like 24 hrs lol.
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It's sufficient I prefer scales that don't fold open or you can take the cover off and use it as a tray the one that I use most of the time has a range from .01g to 200g I'm in the market for something that's more sensitive but that's just me being anal .01g is 10mg and unless you are measuring out single doses of var for a woman you should be gtg with that scale it does come with a pretty low price tag and even if you need small doses you can make it work with that scale but I'm pretty sure you're measuring out larger numbers than 10mg at a crack


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Holy fuck! Brutal workout I finished with about 15min of heavy bag work my head feels like it's about to explode I answered that past post after lifting and before hitting the bag now I'm catching my breath good lord!


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EER said:
thanks bob and yea wont be measuring var for my gal.
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Even if you were if you're planning on capping let's say 100 pills at a crack all of a sudden that 10mg variation just got divided by 100 because you aren't weighing out a single dose at a time so you'd be good as long as your math and mixing was on point I personally don't know how they get extremely accurate measurements of var because it's not a powder it's more like uneven salt crystals maybe they don't vary much but they do vary in size from crystal to crystal I'm thinking about capping up some var at 5mg for my woman she's already stealing my clomid to force ovulation while I'm not on cycle so she's on the fence about var seeing as it can and will fuck up her monthlys


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Heisenberg!! Great stuff here fellas. I just read the entire thread straight through. So where do I post to give myself an introduction? I've been cruising many forums for the last 5 years just trying to gain knowledge before I dive into something. This is the first group I actually had the desire to join.
 
hambone726 said:
Heisenberg!! Great stuff here fellas. I just read the entire thread straight through. So where do I post to give myself an introduction? I've been cruising many forums for the last 5 years just trying to gain knowledge before I dive into something. This is the first group I actually had the desire to join.
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Glad to hear it I believe this is a worthwhile place the shitbags get weeded out pretty quickly...... Usually


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hambone726 said:
Heisenberg!! Great stuff here fellas. I just read the entire thread straight through. So where do I post to give myself an introduction? I've been cruising many forums for the last 5 years just trying to gain knowledge before I dive into something. This is the first group I actually had the desire to join.
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There's a lab out there called Heisenberg. And great series breaking bad was! Welcome
 
Thanks guys! In theory I have 50 grams of test e powder coming either this week or next. I'm not 100% sure that a little yellow man didnt bend me over and take me for $150 but we will find out soon enough I guess.
 
^ I can tell you that little yellow man overcharged your ass. Would have gotten twice that much from my guy.
 
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School is in!
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That's why I have officially joined the forum and I'm trying to make some friends lol I knew I was going to get raped but I wanted to get my feet wet. My current homebrewing experience is in wine and shine. This sounds a hell of a lot easier.
 
hambone726 said:
That's why I have officially joined the forum and I'm trying to make some friends lol I knew I was going to get raped but I wanted to get my feet wet. My current homebrewing experience is in wine and shine. This sounds a hell of a lot easier.
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Hey, I used to drink both. And my Grandfather (long deceased), used to make both.
 
I'd definitely be willing to trade for some shared knowledge as it seems 190 proof stuff is needed for some liquid orals. Just a thought.
 
hambone726 said:
I'd definitely be willing to trade for some shared knowledge as it seems 190 proof stuff is needed for some liquid orals. Just a thought.
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I've thought of that myself as I have a farmer friend that makes a couple runs a year but I just go with everclear for suspensions it's harsher and tastes like shit in comparison but I know for a fact it's 190 proof as the shine keeps running off the finished product gets weaker and weaker don't get me wrong I LOVE the stuff but I save it for bonfires and coon hunting (that's not racial btw we like to get lit and shine for coons then take em out with a 12ga up here)


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I made some liquid winny and what I found to not make it taste like complete shit is dilute it in a small glass of water.
 
I use a hydrometer to measure my alcohol content. Standard is about 120 proof on a first run but when I run it through the still for the second time 180-190 proof is guaranteed. I don't generally make it that strong though because I don't particularly like my mouth going numb when I drink it :-)
 
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I made some liquid winny and what I found to not make it taste like complete shit is dilute it in a small glass of water.
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Yeah I drop it in a shot glass then pour some water in,shoot it and fill the glass with water and drink again to get any residual powder I've dropped it straight in my mouth and it's nasty think chewed up Tylenol and raw everclear not good


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I've got movement on the tracking number for my overpriced powder. Now if my BA from Texas, whatman filters from Florida, vials from Oregon, and beaker from California all get here in a timely manner I will be golden. The only thing I've gotten so far was the 100 ml of BB that I evidently don't need. I'm $200 into this endeavor but compared to the $100-$150 a damn vial the weasel dealers around here charge I have to say I'm thrilled with the investment. Exactly how much booze is it going to take to get a better source out of you guys?? :-)
 
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I've thought of that myself as I have a farmer friend that makes a couple runs a year but I just go with everclear for suspensions it's harsher and tastes like shit in comparison but I know for a fact it's 190 proof as the shine keeps running off the finished product gets weaker and weaker don't get me wrong I LOVE the stuff but I save it for bonfires and coon hunting (that's not racial btw we like to get lit and shine for coons then take em out with a 12ga up here)


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Most good shine will be around 150 proof. Maybe 160... I'm strange as I actually liked the traditional stuff made from corn. Seems the brandies are more popular these days. Water under the bridge now...
 
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Most good shine will be around 150 proof. Maybe 160... I'm strange as I actually liked the traditional stuff made from corn. Seems the brandies are more popular these days. Water under the bridge now...
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I come from a loooooong history of shiners. If ya'll have seen the tv show (Discovery) then ya'll have seen an old friend of mine I use to "help" back in my high school and early college days. He also had a blue grass band and festival I helped with.

Hell I still get batches every yr. Mine comes in on the stronger side of 160 (pure blue flame, small bubbles) but most people can't handle it so I cut it to apple pie (thanksgiving) and candy cane (that is no cut) at xmas.
 
hambone726 said:
I've got movement on the tracking number for my overpriced powder. Now if my BA from Texas, whatman filters from Florida, vials from Oregon, and beaker from California all get here in a timely manner I will be golden. The only thing I've gotten so far was the 100 ml of BB that I evidently don't need. I'm $200 into this endeavor but compared to the $100-$150 a damn vial the weasel dealers around here charge I have to say I'm thrilled with the investment. Exactly how much booze is it going to take to get a better source out of you guys?? :-)
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Start out with upping your post count then we will discuss the exact amount of booze required for us to slip you a good supplier


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devildog said:
Most good shine will be around 150 proof. Maybe 160... I'm strange as I actually liked the traditional stuff made from corn. Seems the brandies are more popular these days. Water under the bridge now...
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I prefer corn whiskey as well I've tried all kinds of Brandys made with anything from raisins to bananas but I'd rather take a pull from corn likker any day


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His thread has gone full circle brewer! Since I don't drink anymore, I'll have to stick to brewing gear. Sadly...
 
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I'm working on it brother. Anyone ever have their stuff delivered via ems? My stuff is in customs in Chicago and to be quite honest I'm shitting my pants right now
 

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I'm working on it brother. Anyone ever have their stuff delivered via ems? My stuff is in customs in Chicago and to be quite honest I'm shitting my pants right now
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There's a good source in China who sends ems, but it takes a signature. NO THANKS!
 
hambone726 said:
I'm working on it brother. Anyone ever have their stuff delivered via ems? My stuff is in customs in Chicago and to be quite honest I'm shitting my pants right now
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If your items were packed correctly it shouldnt be an issue at all. I have a nice photo I can share with my items and the secondary Customs screening form inside my open package.

Usually within 2 days at most, of entering Customs inspection you get cleared.
 
mh48500 said:
If your items were packed correctly it shouldnt be an issue at all. I have a nice photo I can share with my items and the secondary Customs screening form inside my open package.

Usually within 2 days at most, of entering Customs inspection you get cleared.
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Wow! Customs checked in the pack, and it still made it through. Outstanding!!
 
nsnmatty said:
Oharas is flawless. I was utterly impressed with my test ace shipment several months ago. Creative as hell

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x2...hell i wouldn't have guessed what it was till I saw ya'll posting pics and mine arrived...otherwise I'd been like "WTF???"
 
Yep, Ohara has got it down pretty freaking good, confused the ever living fuck out of me the first time, then after 5 minutes of looking at it, I was like OHHHHH DAAAAYYUUUM that's crafty as fuck.
 
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