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Well I just got my blood test back after using testosterone from elite body 228????? I had a feeling this stuff wasn't doing anything for me . Wtf is going on how exactly is elite body an approved source?
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This was 160mg per week last week I started doing 200
What brand was it?
Pur pharma
I just saw that on your log, hopefully this can be addressed properly
Do you have a photo of the actual bloodwork? (With any identifying details cropped out)
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We have reached out to @stevedude19 for some details.
We are an approved source because our gear is good, and have many happy customers.
What we don't appreciate are people that shoot off thier mouths in posts before even reaching out by DM to see what is going on.
We would hate to have @HarleyGuy chew on you a little if youre squawking turns out to be bullshit.
We will look into the details to see what this is all about.
You think that's smart to say? I've been using your bunk product for three months. Why would I fake a blood test?
No your gear is not good. My blood test proves that. Since you have no lab tests showing purity we are supposed to blindly trust? Never again
When you got the blood test done, were you on 80mgs a week?
No I had done 200 that week and the 8 or 9 weeks before that I was at 160 a week
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He will need a looking into not chewing out.
not good @stevedude19 can you post your gear pics as well please
Gotta admit, that’s some pretty rough looking BW numbers. Damn
I understand the surprise and frustration you must feel but It means nothing but preliminary complaining until you work this out with @pur-pharma-canada who will be totally transparent as well as post pics of your gear with the full label and boxes they came in. Your bloodwork is noted and thanks for posting.
One way or another I will be speaking with someone so please report back here the conversation now that it's in the open as EVO is entirely transparent. Was this your first ever order of PUR gear and was the order from 3 months ago?
Thank you for the pics. Please report back here with a debrief of your resolution and explanation from @pur-pharma-canada. Let us know as well when you've replied to their email reaching out to you for a discussion so we know some dialogue is taking place and under way. If you don't write back to him @pur-pharma-canada will let us know about it.
Ya he just accused me of shit talking and said their gear was good. Asked for my order number but that was it.
Punchline to this was did you give him the order number?
Yep he's got it.
The same thing happened to me. I ordered Testosterone Cypionate, Tren, Deca, and Anavar from Pur Pharma through EliteBody.ca. I was running 500 mg of testosterone per week for five weeks before getting blood work done, and my blood work were very disappointing.
I’ve placed two orders with them, and I regret doing so. Attached is a picture of my lab results along with some of the products I received. Based on my blood work, I’m convinced that the testosterone is underdosed or completely bunk, so I’ve stopped using all of their products.
I’ve placed two orders with them, and I regret doing so. Attached is a picture of my lab results along with some of the products I received. Based on my blood work, I’m convinced that the testosterone is underdosed or completely bunk, so I’ve stopped using all of their products.
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We have DM'ed @Luckysta for some details.
This is obvious, but just so everyone knows - we take this very seriously.
Having a few bad bottles out of hundreds doesn't exactly make sense at the moment.
If we discover that the Lab had an issue there is no doubt that we will make this right.
We are actively investigating.
We have always stood behind Pur-Pharma-Canada, but know that we also stand beside you.
Lets try not to get too carried away though, Pur Pharma has been around a very long time, we will get to the bottom of this.
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This is obvious, but just so everyone knows - we take this very seriously.
Having a few bad bottles out of hundreds doesn't exactly make sense at the moment.
If we discover that the Lab had an issue there is no doubt that we will make this right.
We are actively investigating.
We have always stood behind Pur-Pharma-Canada, but know that we also stand beside you.
Lets try not to get too carried away though, Pur Pharma has been around a very long time, we will get to the bottom of this.
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Back in October I ordered a tmt blend from you...
Order number: 3929
Seemed very underdosed to me (if not worse). I didn't say anything at the time because i couldnt do bloods to back it up, and without proof i wouldn't accuse anyone of anything.
But if it turns out there was a bad batch/problem at the lab then I hope this is dealt with properly.
As an FYI, I browse all the Canadian gear forums, and this issue is being raised in other places as well.
Also, these things are completly avoidable by simply testing raws, it is simply unacceptable imo to brew untested raws because you trust a supplier, and then send out bunk gear to people (if thats what happened)
Just so I understand you’re saying this is an issue being raised about Pur on other Canadian gear forums or just Canadian gear in general?
I won’t lie and say I haven’t got gains but I also just got a coach and added hgh and slin but I feel like garbage and am getting anxiety I posted on other form I’ve been just shy of a gram of Pur test e and 300 tren ace for the last 3-4 weeks just added in 300 eq from oxygen why the high dosage I’m going for a push at 21 to compete next summer anyhow it sucks I swear I’ve been pinning vegetable oil from pur currently sitting in chair at life labs getting bloods let’s see for reference here was my bloods on 400 test c from biogenix I’ll post asap and let y’all know
Let’s find out gents payed extra for more markers besides test and here’s the empty vial so yeh been running about a gram here’s my order
Now if you know me, Im fairly modest with my doses, right now im happy with 20mg test prop and 20mg tren ace EOD
I can feel the test prop at that dose.
The blend I had from pur was 300mgs per mil, 100 tren, 100 test prop, 100 mast.
I was running up to 3 mil a week (900mg) and basically nothing. So something was off, but like I said earlier, I dont have bloods to back it up
Gotta trust that lived experience though. A man knows his body and how it responds. Only he can tell you if something isn’t preforming up to standard. BW or not, that’s testimony that deserves an explanation
At the time i had nothing to compare it to, I had only done test cyp before, no tren, no mast, no prop.
But now I think I can safely say that I know how test prop feels an how my body reacts...and I had bone of that on the blend (at 5x the dose)
Post results here and a pic of the full blood req please so we can see what results are on their way.
Also when did you order this vial?
Will do I believe the orders in a photo already but April 28th
Here’s the req cropped my name out
results most likely tm life labs is fast
Why wait til now to say something after getting these bloods done on 30Apr? Did you ever take this up with @pur-pharma-canada?
While presumably a pre-existing Jano test of the raws would shut all this down there doesn't seem to be one but I'm also wondering why there's a few "1st time posters" all of a sudden with bloodwork and complaints crawling out of the woodworks with no Jano's of their own either and with gear left in the vial months later with no COA's before we jump to conclusions. There's no receipts here except everyone's word so assuming everyone is being honest it will come down to COA's. I'm staying neutral on both sides here and drawing no conclusions until we know the facts and have answers.
Nobody wants to spend money to jano a lab who couldn’t even bother to test there raws easier to switch it’s pretty hard to give receipts also this is the whole purposed of this form is to provide feedback why do you need a coa only when the products bad it’s pretty obvious when your pinning vegetable oil what do I get out of going out of my way to buy a jano on gear I know is fake 2nd Janos are easy to fake like there’s plenty’s of brands who only do one jano and you can choose what to send there si Can be faked good or bad
My bad My phone was at 2 percent so I was in a rushMan I’m down to hear you out and see your bloods but your lack of punctuation hurts my soul
I appreciate your neutrality here but wasn’t their original post saying that the lab they represent couldn’t be assed to test their raws/product so this could very well be the fruits of their lack of effort on that front. I’m sure elite is just a source for this lab however this doesn’t look great on all fronts.
I don’t think it’s a good look when they post saying that they aren’t happy with the lab’s testing efforts and then a few posts later threaten to get you after said customer for posting their honest feedback with backed bloodwork. But that’s just non-confrontational wye’s outside looking in opinion.
Links to Jano’s authentic domain with his COA’s are legit. Like I said a Jano of the raw material ought to have been @pur-pharma-canada’s reply but it wasn’t. Now we’re asking both sides of the argument after the fact.
This will be dealt with and I’m not picking sides just yet. Presumably I pick sides on the side of the source but not always. This is one of those times.
I agree @wye this doesn’t look good but I’m also looking at everyone involved it being all their first post and coming out of the woodwork to join the party and some with bloods from April never having said anything or approached PUR. @BritishCanadian ’s opinion means the most to me here vs the thousands of trolls on here who do this all the time and now one who admits Jano’s can be faked so why not bloodwork too when they think a sinking ship is going down they’re throwing weights onto it possibly.
@Farmboy I don’t have my cut and paste for our Team right now I’m in the car but if anyone wants to tag them all they should watch this go down and learn the process of complaints.
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Ah makes sense brother. I was really having to flex my underdeveloped reading comprehension skillsMy bad My phone was at 2 percent so I was in a rush
Harley your absolutely right I would jano it but given my fincial situation rn everything including peds is budgeted to the exact dollar I messed up dui went very bad and been paying it off I found passion in body building and got sober yes it does seem suspicious all those bloodwork’s and stuff if you need anything I am happy to assist I’m new to these forms and have been busy with my internship how ever it doesn’t make sense for me to go out of my way and test something if my bloods do show up bad then I know it’s bad and I’ll just switch sources yes bloods can definitely also be faked and I didn’t mean to sound douchy or be a troll or anything do what you gotta do end of the day I just dream of getting my pro card and it all starts with this off season I’m willing to take more risks and it’s upsetting that a gram of test isn’t working or feeling how it should work I also have a sealed vial I’ll mail for free if someone wants to test it
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It seems to me the bunk vials have been prevalent since beginning of March.
I originally had problems last page if anyone wants to take a look. Bought March 8th Test E, ran it for a month but had low T symptoms, took a blood test and my T was 7.5nmol.
Pur sent me a replacement vial in the week of April 24. Used it for 2 weeks, felt like shit still, and my testosterone came back 9.6nmol. I took Biogenix’s Test E and 2 weeks later my T shot back up to >52nmol on 262mg of Test E which I took throughout.
I sent the original March 8th vial to Jano but unfortunately my shit got seized multiple times. Canada customs, please don’t be a bitch. So I’m sending yet another vial and shipping to Czechia is $240 each time. So I’m down nearly $1k. But whatever, I want to know what I injected for piece of mind and will post the result here for all the others who have had a bad vial.
That said, I think it’s disappointing that there are a lot of people who are having issues and Pur Pharma is aware and continued to have products still up on elitebody.ca before the site went down for vacation. I think if you are aware that you are having quality concerns with your lab partner, you should be pulling all your inventory out so people aren’t deceived by getting bad quality products.
All the other approved sources on Evo have updated Jano’s and regularly test products. In my opinion, Pur Pharma has not kept up with the standards other sources have set.
I’ve heard many great things about Pur Pharma in the past, so I’m sure this can all be sorted out and they can come back better than before. I hate to see Canadian sources sink because we have so few of them left. So I will hope for the best!
I originally had problems last page if anyone wants to take a look. Bought March 8th Test E, ran it for a month but had low T symptoms, took a blood test and my T was 7.5nmol.
Pur sent me a replacement vial in the week of April 24. Used it for 2 weeks, felt like shit still, and my testosterone came back 9.6nmol. I took Biogenix’s Test E and 2 weeks later my T shot back up to >52nmol on 262mg of Test E which I took throughout.
I sent the original March 8th vial to Jano but unfortunately my shit got seized multiple times. Canada customs, please don’t be a bitch. So I’m sending yet another vial and shipping to Czechia is $240 each time. So I’m down nearly $1k. But whatever, I want to know what I injected for piece of mind and will post the result here for all the others who have had a bad vial.
That said, I think it’s disappointing that there are a lot of people who are having issues and Pur Pharma is aware and continued to have products still up on elitebody.ca before the site went down for vacation. I think if you are aware that you are having quality concerns with your lab partner, you should be pulling all your inventory out so people aren’t deceived by getting bad quality products.
All the other approved sources on Evo have updated Jano’s and regularly test products. In my opinion, Pur Pharma has not kept up with the standards other sources have set.
I’ve heard many great things about Pur Pharma in the past, so I’m sure this can all be sorted out and they can come back better than before. I hate to see Canadian sources sink because we have so few of them left. So I will hope for the best!
At the time when I made my purchase (october) I dont think I was even a member of the forum, I just used to browse daily looking for a source.
If i had been a member I would have raised it at the time with pur and @HarleyGuy ...
And I think thats what's happening with these new users, there's probably a lot of people that browse here but dont post.
And again for clarity, I didmt have proof so I didnt say anything, but seeing how others are experiencing the same thing, I wanted to share my experience
Not really. I’ve been a long time user of Syn and Nordic, and I’ve always had good experiences with them. I decided to try Pur after reading their thread and became curious about their products.
After getting my bloodwork done, I was very disappointed with the results and initially just wanted to cut my losses and move on. I ended up switching back to Nordic, which I’ve been using since the beginning of May.
Since making the switch, I’ve been feeling great and recently had more bloodwork done. My prolactin and estrogen came back elevated, but I’ve started taking cabergoline and Aromasin to address that. These results are from running 500 mg of testosterone from nordic and 200 mg of trenbolone enanthate.
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Again I love the honesty and the accountability in your posts man, speaks of character. That said, is your phone still at 2% brother? I be suffering
No im home nowAgain I love the honesty and the accountability in your posts man, speaks of character. That said, is your phone still at 2% brother? I be suffering
I do have dysgraphia though. I apologize I will put more effort in my grammar. Today’s just been a long one at work.
It’s all good man, I’m just giving you a hard timeNo im home now
Would it be asking to much to suggest that all approved sources have to post up to date janoshik purity tests? It's not like they can't afford it.
The problem with requiring purity tests is that a source could just send a legit vial to get tested while shipping out completely bunk product to customers. The test only proves that one specific vial was clean it says nothing about what’s actually being sold. It’s a nice idea in theory but pretty easy to game. Random batch testing would be more reliable community members or mods could purchase vials anonymously (without the source knowing who’s testing) and send them in randomly, so sources can’t cherry-pick which vials get tested. That way you’re getting a real sample of what’s actually being sold to customers. Not everyone wants to spend money to test so here’s my ideas
The forum itself could have a testing fund where members donate small amounts to cover random tests
Sources could be required to pay for their own random testing as a condition of being an approved source
A rotating system where approved sources periodically submit funds for independent testing they don’t control
The forum itself could have a testing fund where members donate small amounts to cover random tests
Sources could be required to pay for their own random testing as a condition of being an approved source
A rotating system where approved sources periodically submit funds for independent testing they don’t control
Or at least have the option to give gear or discount on next order if a guy gets it jano’d on his own dime.
Well said, and thanks for the pic @Anthony2005. All of these vials seemed to be have been purchased from March to end of April/early May. Duly noted.
Your pic has some other gear from our approved sources you should post a touchdown pic on everyone's review thread when you get their gear it helps us get our gear porn pics in for the day
Congrats on getting sober bro I'm coming up on 5 years myself. Good luck with your internship and stick around if you want to start a log and join the EVO Family!
I think a few labs do that, but the reality is that not all of us are flush with cash...does anyone know how much a jano test costs?
What happens is you get burnt, lose a couple of hundred bucks, and chalk it down to experience.
But what I will also say is, that once I became a member here, when I did have an issue with a lab, I reached out for support from @HarleyGuy , and we got the issue resolved satisfactorily.
So the guys here are doing what they say, of there is an issue with a lab that can be verified, they will help you to make it right. And I dont know of anywhere else that happens.
Great
idea will bring up to management
Great
Thanks @Eddie Haskell was just about to write the same thing. I think it's about that time for this with Jano posts not unlike what other approved sources have already undertaken on their own review threads.
As Eddie just indicated now for all, PUR will be rebranding and I think discounts should be offered for those that have proof of low T bloodwork from the March-May batch.
This is why what @BritishCanadian said without even having bloods holds a lot of merit with me. By your rationale @Anthony2005 Jano's don't mean much except supportive and corroborating evidence and I agree with you. Source and member Jano's along with user bloodwork AND logs are the trinity of what counts as a totality of the circumstances. This is something we've been preaching on EVO for a long while and why the complaint of "well your source doesn't have Jano's" isn't some nail in their coffin.
Whatever the resolution is here I think it should be posted by @pur-pharma-canada ASAP especially in the seeming absence of PUR having a raw Jano from his batch from March-May.
hopefully there’s a resolution soon otherwise ima have to sell this full vial to a random high schooler at the gym for triple the price to recomp my losses I’m also jumping the gun I’ll post results once they in
Nooo don’t do that bro. That’s some real dirty action passing the hurt on to some jr bro
Just messing around if it’s garbage I’ll just toss it I know that feeling I bought some fake/questionable stuff from eroids when I was 18/19 I got dtren to coach me when he was upcoming and he said find stuff on eroids wasn’t his fault the Canada part of that forms is dodgy and has bribed mods.
I've tossed gear myself and posted pics of it in the garbage in my 2025 log.
Alright ima start a log documenting my journey
Atta boy! You took the hint! I will DM you the how-to log unless you have it?
Dm me it please
Cook some eggs with it.
Way ahead of ya bro! Check it out https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/direct-messages/welcome-to-evo-how-to-log-bro.46123/
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Hey everyone,
Wow, there is a lot to catch up on here! It just took me an hour to read through the comments, and it looks like there is some confusion about our last announcement. Let’s skip the misunderstandings and focus on moving forward together.
Investigating these issues takes time. We have to coordinate with external partners who don’t always realize how quickly things escalate online. As reps, we have been working hard to pass your feedback to the Lab. We are genuinely concerned about the unusual bloodwork results and want answers just as badly as you do.
There is a big difference between fake gear and under-dosed gear. The Pür Pharma Lab has professional expertise spanning 30 years and they do test their raws. As reps, we never saw those internal reports for security reasons, but looking back, we should have been more insistent. Our recent issues with raw shortages and the Lab's refusal to collaborate on third-party testing (like Janoshik) were incredibly disappointing.
After digging into the complaints, we found a clear pattern: orders from late February and early March appear to be under-dosed. When we confronted the Lab and asked them to make it right, they completely refused to cooperate. Because of this, we made the immediate decision to drop Pür Pharma.
We completely understand your anger. Honestly, we feel that same frustration multiplied by a thousand. We would never knowingly distribute under-dosed products. Our reputation means everything to us, and we stand by you 100%.
To clarify: as @HarleyGuy mentioned we are not rebranding. Instead, we are launching a brand-new line of premium gear where every single batch comes with Janoshik testing—made by bodybuilders, for bodybuilders. An announcement is coming soon.
We absolutely intend to make things right for anyone affected by the under-dosed batches. We will be offline for the next two weeks to restock, but we are always available via email. Thank you for sticking with us.
Wow, there is a lot to catch up on here! It just took me an hour to read through the comments, and it looks like there is some confusion about our last announcement. Let’s skip the misunderstandings and focus on moving forward together.
Investigating these issues takes time. We have to coordinate with external partners who don’t always realize how quickly things escalate online. As reps, we have been working hard to pass your feedback to the Lab. We are genuinely concerned about the unusual bloodwork results and want answers just as badly as you do.
There is a big difference between fake gear and under-dosed gear. The Pür Pharma Lab has professional expertise spanning 30 years and they do test their raws. As reps, we never saw those internal reports for security reasons, but looking back, we should have been more insistent. Our recent issues with raw shortages and the Lab's refusal to collaborate on third-party testing (like Janoshik) were incredibly disappointing.
After digging into the complaints, we found a clear pattern: orders from late February and early March appear to be under-dosed. When we confronted the Lab and asked them to make it right, they completely refused to cooperate. Because of this, we made the immediate decision to drop Pür Pharma.
We completely understand your anger. Honestly, we feel that same frustration multiplied by a thousand. We would never knowingly distribute under-dosed products. Our reputation means everything to us, and we stand by you 100%.
To clarify: as @HarleyGuy mentioned we are not rebranding. Instead, we are launching a brand-new line of premium gear where every single batch comes with Janoshik testing—made by bodybuilders, for bodybuilders. An announcement is coming soon.
We absolutely intend to make things right for anyone affected by the under-dosed batches. We will be offline for the next two weeks to restock, but we are always available via email. Thank you for sticking with us.
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Good to hear you're open and transparent about this.
waiting to see your new brand go live!
Thank you for clarifying. Thank you for the transparency.
A lab's refusal to collaborate on third-party testing is unacceptable and I suggest third-party testing gets done one way or the other no matter who pays for it as long as it's never the EVO members or end-user.
I think this is the beginning of a new standard expected from EVO and myself which I'm pleased to read seems to be your goal as well.
To clearify this observation, the scope of this timeframe has been determined to a two week period. This has not necessarily effected all the Pür Cyp packed in this time period but our batch control shows this has limited the quantity that would have been effected.
Thank you for your question @Bowserm
Are there any batch numbers we can look for on our vials? The box is long gone now. Luckily my Dr prescribed me Cyp, so I have some pharma available
A couple questions.
1. What happens when a "trusted supplier" sends out bunk products? What is the consequence?
2. Why would anyone ever order from elite body again after this? Especially when we have other options that provided coas from the start.
3. How does a supplier become a "trusted supplier" in the first place? Does it cost them any money? How are they proving that they can be "trusted"?
Gunna have serious trust issues after this.
1. What happens when a "trusted supplier" sends out bunk products? What is the consequence?
2. Why would anyone ever order from elite body again after this? Especially when we have other options that provided coas from the start.
3. How does a supplier become a "trusted supplier" in the first place? Does it cost them any money? How are they proving that they can be "trusted"?
Gunna have serious trust issues after this.
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