Pivotal Labs Scammers

[ManCal70]

I decided to order Pivotal Anavar instead of EP. As always order process is seamless. Product is another story.

First, two of the sachets pill crushed to the point I was about 8 pills short.

I tested the Anavar and it turns out to be Stanazolol. I'm fucking pissed. $120 Anavar x 50 pills vs $55 Stazolol.

Photo 1-2 crushed and missing pills.

Photo 3 - Test shows it's Stanazolol

Steve WTF man, you guys vouch for these guys.

Those were 25mg pills, not cheap now I can't even use that shit.

Stay away from Pivotal, scumbags!

 

[samgraves82]

Uh oh!!!!!

 

[~Vision~]

Save your samples and we will send them in for testing.. it will not be a facility that we are networked with I will give you a list of third-party independent facilities that a lot of other communities use that are very unbiased.. you can send in the sample and on label it and remain anonymous.. and they will provide you with a spreadsheet..

Bear in mind depending on the type of primitive and inaccurate Lab max tests that you use, a lot of times the results can be contradicting between winstrol and anavar..sometimes using a UV light is highly suggested depending on what type of test you purchased..
These are very inaccurate tests.
Send me your order ID confirmation number this way I can confirm which Warehouse these came from..

If you think for one second that I'm biased and I'm not transparent you'll have another thing coming.. I'm extremely transparent and very unbiased..and I will not attach my name to anything that turns out to be subpar..let this be the beginning stages of an investigation.
Please provide one of the staff members with your email address and it will be forwarded to me and we can exchange sensitive details that way..

I would like to get these tested by an independent party I'm related to everyone..

 

[ManCal70]

I've used lab max before and found them to be more confusing. Roidtest on the other hand has been spot on. I've verified with my pharma grade prescription. I used Roidtest for these and it shows Winstrol. This same test was G2G for EP Anavar.

 

[samgraves82]

I am more than confident vision will take care of this OP. If you will just listen to him because im sure ur very upset

 

[~Vision~]

I've used lab max before and found them to be more confusing. Roidtest on the other hand has been spot on. I've verified with my pharma grade prescription. I used Roidtest for these and it shows Winstrol. This same test was G2G for EP Anavar.

With both of these types of testing methods you have to consider the environment your in and how crude both of these are.. I never liked these tests because they are inconstant.. However, on the flip side, a small proportional part of me says these can be OK for a yes of no answer.. the only dilemma is their accuracy and lack of confidence in the tests themselves..

We are looking into this as we speak, and we'll find out what's going on with this business partnership we have with them..

 

[~Vision~]

with your 2 samples here, did you test them both under the UV light for color change??

 

[ManCal70]

With both of these types of testing methods you have to consider the environment your in and how crude both of these are.. I never liked these tests because they are inconstant.. However, on the flip side, a small proportional part of me says these can be OK for a yes of no answer.. the only dilemma is their accuracy and lack of confidence in the tests themselves..

We are looking into this as we speak, and we'll find out what's going on with this business partnership we have with them..

I get what you're saying, having said that RTest has been pretty good, no ambiguity. Anavar swap for Winstrol is common, and the test results shows Winstrol, not any other. For Anavar, sample B is little to no change (including under UV). 15 minute sample C clearly matches Winstrol.

I totally get that PSL is just the front end for these (Marketing etc...), could have been the end distributor, not sure. However, same shipper also sent me two 10ml Test Cyp, not sure you can separate the two (Pivotal and EP). Ultimately, I would not want you to explain exactly how that works on here in public, not necessary.

I'm stuck with 196 (8 broken/missing) Winstrol pills. How do I get I touch with you via email. Or I'll give you my email though PM.

 

[ManCal70]

I am more than confident vision will take care of this OP. If you will just listen to him because im sure ur very upset

Totally dude, I have been in this forum for a couple of months now and I have seen these guys resolve may issues in the past. This time it just happened to me. I will work with them, Vision always acts professionally, so that is the hope I am clinging onto.

 

[samgraves82]

Totally dude, I have been in this forum for a couple of months now and I have seen these guys resolve may issues in the past. This time it just happened to me. I will work with them, Vision always acts professionally, so that is the hope I am clinging onto.

Good. I cant promise for other people but i can say he has always been stand up/professional with me

 

[~Vision~]

I get what you're saying, having said that RTest has been pretty good, no ambiguity. Anavar swap for Winstrol is common, and the test results shows Winstrol, not any other. For Anavar, sample B is little to no change (including under UV). 15 minute sample C clearly matches Winstrol.

I totally get that PSL is just the front end for these (Marketing etc...), could have been the end distributor, not sure. However, same shipper also sent me two 10ml Test Cyp, not sure you can separate the two (Pivotal and EP). Ultimately, I would not want you to explain exactly how that works on here in public, not necessary.

I'm stuck with 196 (8 broken/missing) Winstrol pills. How do I get I touch with you via email. Or I'll give you my email though PM.

welp, we just ruled out a few factors.. I need to rule everything out before any other steps are made..

It's being looked into as we speak, BELIEVE ME THERE!

Heads will roll

 

[ManCal70]

welp, we just ruled out a few factors.. I need to rule everything out before any other steps are made..

It's being looked into as we speak, BELIEVE ME THERE!

Heads will roll

Thanks for looking into this V. I will be looking out for update.

 

[jason_alpine]

I get what you're saying, having said that RTest has been pretty good, no ambiguity. Anavar swap for Winstrol is common, and the test results shows Winstrol, not any other. For Anavar, sample B is little to no change (including under UV). 15 minute sample C clearly matches Winstrol.

I totally get that PSL is just the front end for these (Marketing etc...), could have been the end distributor, not sure. However, same shipper also sent me two 10ml Test Cyp, not sure you can separate the two (Pivotal and EP). Ultimately, I would not want you to explain exactly how that works on here in public, not necessary.

I'm stuck with 196 (8 broken/missing) Winstrol pills. How do I get I touch with you via email. Or I'll give you my email though PM.

ManCal70 your test is Pivotal as well? I just went with Pivotal test. At the time EP test cyp was out of stock. I bet we ordered at the same time when PSL domestic was out of everything....

 

[brandontx]

That's a bummer if it's true. I've bought anavar 3 times from ugl sources and each time it was fake. I get it from doctor now but it's pricey. $600 for 8 weeks at 50mg per day.

 

[samgraves82]

That's a bummer if it's true. I've bought anavar 3 times from ugl sources and each time it was fake. I get it from doctor now but it's pricey. $600 for 8 weeks at 50mg per day.

Bet that shits bangin tho. Dunno how u pulled that off but well done

 

[brandontx]

Bet that shits bangin tho. Dunno how u pulled that off but well done

I said pretty please and he said okay. Lol.

 

[samgraves82]

I said pretty please and he said okay. Lol.

So that's how its done, hmmm.... Manners u say lol

 

[beefyfan]

So that's how its done, hmmm.... Manners u say lol

He forgot to mention that was on his knees when he said pretty please.

 

[brandontx]

He forgot to mention that was on his knees when he said pretty please.

And I had my mouth open. Have to make sacrifices for these gains.

 

[ManCal70]

Clean it up pork chops, this my thread. Take your filth elsewhere. [emoji23][emoji1787]

 

[ManCal70]

@~Vision~, thank you for getting everything taken care off. I appreciate your help.

In future I will be commissioning my own mass spec lab tests. To be sure.

Thanks!!

 

[~Vision~]

@~Vision~, thank you for getting everything taken care off. I appreciate your help.

In future I will be commissioning my own mass spec lab tests. To be sure.

Thanks!!

Its been a pleasure working with you brother and did you get my last PM?

 

[macedog24]

Through channels I was recently able to test the product in question. The equate bottle is what the product was sent back in.
I used a labmax kit. Nice hologram.
Everything shows how it should!
It is anavar! So there is no need to worry or stress.

 

[macedog24]

Slightly yellow and immediately began to change dark red/brown

 

[macedog24]

Now with uv light. This is the kicker!!
You will see the green florescent only with the uv light. This is the light that come with the labmax kit!
I had to move the vial around a bit to get the florescent to show.
The last pic is Without the uv light. Darkred/brown.
And fluorescent green in the uv light.

Winni doesn't do This.
Neither does dbol.
Winni is a little red at first but changes to brown. And has a blue fluorescent in the uv.
So hope this satisfies the doubters.

 

[macedog24]

So everyone please stop worrying.
You are getting what you pay for!
The anavar is as it should be anavar!
Not winni or dbol or anything else. Other wise it would have shown during this test. Thanks hope this clears up the doubts.

 

[~Vision~]

Can the original poster please clear his inbox and outbox, we are unable to send any messages through..

 

[~Vision~]

@~Vision~, thank you for getting everything taken care off. I appreciate your help.

In future I will be commissioning my own mass spec lab tests. To be sure.

Thanks!!

and that you did..

I wish you saved one tab from the piv order for testing..

 

[~Vision~]

Bought this gear last year and had only done LabMax testing. A couple of weeks ago I sent it out for hplc testing.

Attached are the results.

@Vision - keep up the good work.

I even told you to save one for future testing, and I said you owe it to yourself..I even said those lab max skew results all the time..

Thank you for being very transparent and keeping people in the know, including myself.

People you see this here, no matter lab, the brand,, always save a few tabs or oil..because you may want to test them down the road..

People TEST every lab you can and keep the market updated with info.. fellow brothers need to know about the labs on left,right,up and down and right down the middle..all labs should get random testing by well known member's in the communities

 

[ManCal70]

I even told you to save one for future testing, and I said you owe it to yourself..I even said those lab max skew results all the time..

Thank you for being very transparent and keeping people in the know, including myself.

People you see this here, no matter lab, the brand,, always save a few tabs or oil..because you may want to test them down the road..

People TEST every lab you can and keep the market updated with info.. fellow brothers need to know about the labs on left,right,up and down and right down the middle..all labs should get random testing by well known member's in the communities

Proof is in the pudding brother. Anything else is just noise. PSL is good to go. I should have listened to you @Stevesme all along. Instead I wasted $100s on lab Max.

Imagine this, me asking my wife. "Hun, Hun, is that florescent green, or more yellow greenish"? Wife says "No sweetie looks more like jade, or mint" then me [emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35]

 

[GG-boy]

Do you use this var right now ??

 

[ManCal70]

I only do raw now and cap my own. Cheaper, easier to test, and dose myself

But the sample I sent out from PSL come back good. Took me a while to get around, but I wanted to know for sure.

 

[Nilay]

Thanks for sharing this info with us. And also i like to share about KELTRON Notification.

 

[~Vision~]

Do you use this var right now ??

I'm currently on the var and a few others from here.. like the OP said, he agrees the product was legit, and he tested EP and it passed. I know this is old news, I figured I would bump it to prove to the doubters that the EP var has been one of the companies prized compounds.

Here is even the latest var test. We have many clients hailing about this product.
People can contact this company and they will vouch that this is a real authentic test. This is a great company with a solid reputation for testing.

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[macedog24]

I'm currently on the var and a few others from here.. like the OP said, he agrees the product was legit, and he tested EP and it passed. I know this is old news, I figured I would bump it to prove to the doubters that the EP var has been one of the companies prized compounds.

Here is even the latest var test. We have many clients hailing about this product.
People can contact this company and they will vouch that this is a real authentic test. This is a great company with a solid reputation for testing.

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The var is quality you can count on, and a name you can always trust! From our door to yours. PSL is your one stop shop

 

[~Vision~]

The var is quality you can count on, and a name you can always trust! From our door to yours. PSL is your one stop shop

 

[macedog24]

Thanks Maverick!!! It's time to turn it up a notch!!!

 

[Mobster]

Just seeing this thread and for what it's worth... the crushed pill thing is kinda funny. Firstly it'd depend on whether it's a packaging and carrier handling issue. In other words they got crushed by the post. Secondly how many times have we seen posts where members wanna know what to do about too high a dose pill or tablet... bite them or crush them and equally divide the remnants and consume.

If, which it wasn't, it was the issue of ALL the pills being so poorly made that they crumbled that's an actual issue

 

[~Vision~]

Hyper link to follow up thread

Just seeing this thread and for what it's worth... the crushed pill thing is kinda funny. Firstly it'd depend on whether it's a packaging and carrier handling issue. In other words they got crushed by the post. Secondly how many times have we seen posts where members wanna know what to do about too high a dose pill or tablet... bite them or crush them and equally divide the remnants and consume.

If, which it wasn't, it was the issue of ALL the pills being so poorly made that they crumbled that's an actual issue

I strongly encourage viewers to assess how we handle potential problems or instances with our outstanding customer service team , at the end of the day is how we should be judge and reviewed by our peers, if only customers and potential clients alike would take that into great consideration.

Meeting everyone's needs while exceeding their expectations has never been more important to us, serving the members here in this community with excellent service is our very intense capital endeavor!

Great points BTW Mob. Like you said, how many times have many of us ordered something from Amazon or whatever and the box came smashed like it was on a trail near elephants?
I've seen smashed boxes and had everything intact and I've had normal packages with some damage in the products. Things happen!

Here was his follow up thread many months later He came through and tested PSL's products like I suggested.
Very happy and satisfied to say the least.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/source-talk/psl-euro-pharma-anavar-10mg-73329.html

 

[macedog24]

I strongly encourage viewers to assess how we handle potential problems or instances with our outstanding customer service team , at the end of the day is how we should be judge and reviewed by our peers, if only customers and potential clients alike would take that into great consideration.

Meeting everyone's needs while exceeding their expectations has never been more important to us, serving the members here in this community with excellent service is our very intense capital endeavor!

Great points BTW Mob. Like you said, how many times have many of us ordered something from Amazon or whatever and the box came smashed like it was on a trail near elephants?
I've seen smashed boxes and had everything intact and I've had normal packages with some damage in the products. Things happen!

Here was his follow up thread many months later He came through and tested PSL's products like I suggested.
Very happy and satisfied to say the least.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/source-talk/psl-euro-pharma-anavar-10mg-73329.html

I will be starting pivotal labs var . And l will comment back here!!! Can't wait to start!!!

 

[~Vision~]

I will be starting pivotal labs var . And l will comment back here!!! Can't wait to start!!!

my dude most definitely keep us posted on how you make out.. furthermore as you know I am not a supporter of field testing kits but if you haven't sample left over give it a test and if you could try to screw it up as if it was done by someone inexperienced and see what happens.. either way share the results so people can see how these things can be very inconsistent..