Advice (First Cycle)

[dmandan]

Hello All,

Firstly, thanks for having me aboard.
I'm looking for some advice around all areas as I'm very fresh to this. If anyone can provide guidance or point me in the right direction I would appreciate it greatly!

I've been approved for TRT as I'm just below reference range for both test and free test, all other bloods look good. 125mg Test-E a week. I plan to use Test P for 6 weeks at 250mg a week, dial back in week 6 to the TRT dosage(125mg) for my TRT bloods in week 8 to keep prescription etc then blast 300mg a week post bloods. (Good idea or bad idea?, I'm inpatient)
Currently on: Mots-C, KLOW, IGF post workout

Stats: Male, Age: 33, 184cm, 85kg, Gym 1 year, around 18-22% body fat it seems
Lifts: Bench 90kg x 6 , Squat 140kg x 6, Leg press: 280kg x 8, Curls: 17.5kg x 6 etc (Mediocre)
I'm unable to do Reta as I run quite often and tolerating (5-20k) and the 10-15bpm raise is quite difficult, HRV also disrupts sleep to much

Questions:
- I'm torn between losing fat and putting on muscle mass. Is a lean bulk / body recomp the best approach to start with?
- Are there any eating guides for cycle (Prerequisite above as this would be goal dependent?)
- Is Test + Anavar the way forward? I do have access to EQ, Primo, Deca & Dbol as well but I'd expect test to be the only injectable to start with?

Any help is appreciated!

Cheers

 

[Shakey]

Hello All,

Firstly, thanks for having me aboard.
I'm looking for some advice around all areas as I'm very fresh to this. If anyone can provide guidance or point me in the right direction I would appreciate it greatly!

I've been approved for TRT as I'm just below reference range for both test and free test, all other bloods look good. 125mg Test-E a week. I plan to use Test P for 6 weeks at 250mg a week, dial back in week 6 to the TRT dosage(125mg) for my TRT bloods in week 8 to keep prescription etc then blast 300mg a week post bloods. (Good idea or bad idea?, I'm inpatient)
Currently on: Mots-C, KLOW, IGF post workout

Stats: Male, Age: 33, 184cm, 85kg, Gym 1 year, around 18-22% body fat it seems
Lifts: Bench 90kg x 6 , Squat 140kg x 6, Leg press: 280kg x 8, Curls: 17.5kg x 6 etc (Mediocre)
I'm unable to do Reta as I run quite often and tolerating (5-20k) and the 10-15bpm raise is quite difficult, HRV also disrupts sleep to much

Questions:
- I'm torn between losing fat and putting on muscle mass. Is a lean bulk / body recomp the best approach to start with?
- Are there any eating guides for cycle (Prerequisite above as this would be goal dependent?)
- Is Test + Anavar the way forward? I do have access to EQ, Primo, Deca & Dbol as well but I'd expect test to be the only injectable to start with?

Any help is appreciated!

Cheers

Hey bro, welcome to EVO. Using test p in between your bloods is fine. Youll probably only need a week before bloods instead of 2 weeks for dropping your dose down as test p's half life is 24-48hrs. 2 weeks would be a little long. 250mg is a good starting dose but i wouldnt go much higher or focus on building muscle mass at that bodyfat %. The higher the bodyfat the worse youll aromatize test to estrogen. Your best bet is a cut down to around 12% followed by a bulk phase or number 2 being a recomp.

Diet wise, its goal dependent and even then having the same stats and goal but work different careers will end up with different diets. A worker in the trades will need a higher carb diet than an office worker.

Well regardless of that try and get your daily protein at around 200-220g. How frequently are you running and is it always 5-20km? if its often you can probably do around 150ish grams carbs daily or if its not every day, run lower carbs on non runnning days and carb load pre run on running days. for diet advice @LevButlerov can help you out more than i can.

For Anavar, I dont think its a good choice to run with your trt bloods because it lowers SHBG which lowers your total t and raise your free t. Does your trt bloodwork include free t and shbg? SHBG starts to recover in the first week but can take 2-6 weeks depending on other aas use and you personally.

Test only is the best choice for you at the moment. EQ and Deca are long esters and Dbol i wouldnt touch with a high bodyfat.

My advice over all, smash out a cut and bring the BF down and jump into a good bulk later. Thats the advice i took when i joined. Since its your cycle too just test is perfectly fine, especially if your working around your trt bloods for now.

@HarleyGuy @dmandan is working around his TRT bloodwork timing. Got any advice for timing dose change using test p?

 

[Kingofspades712]

Hello All,

Firstly, thanks for having me aboard.
I'm looking for some advice around all areas as I'm very fresh to this. If anyone can provide guidance or point me in the right direction I would appreciate it greatly!

I've been approved for TRT as I'm just below reference range for both test and free test, all other bloods look good. 125mg Test-E a week. I plan to use Test P for 6 weeks at 250mg a week, dial back in week 6 to the TRT dosage(125mg) for my TRT bloods in week 8 to keep prescription etc then blast 300mg a week post bloods. (Good idea or bad idea?, I'm inpatient)
Currently on: Mots-C, KLOW, IGF post workout

Stats: Male, Age: 33, 184cm, 85kg, Gym 1 year, around 18-22% body fat it seems
Lifts: Bench 90kg x 6 , Squat 140kg x 6, Leg press: 280kg x 8, Curls: 17.5kg x 6 etc (Mediocre)
I'm unable to do Reta as I run quite often and tolerating (5-20k) and the 10-15bpm raise is quite difficult, HRV also disrupts sleep to much

Questions:
- I'm torn between losing fat and putting on muscle mass. Is a lean bulk / body recomp the best approach to start with?
- Are there any eating guides for cycle (Prerequisite above as this would be goal dependent?)
- Is Test + Anavar the way forward? I do have access to EQ, Primo, Deca & Dbol as well but I'd expect test to be the only injectable to start with?

Any help is appreciated!

Cheers

Welcome. If you’re even contemplating cycling other compounds just stop the facade of going through a dr for TRT and buy your own. It’s unbelievably dumb to try to jump through hoops to keep a testosterone prescription when it’s the cheapest compound there is.

 

[dmandan]

Welcome. If you’re even contemplating cycling other compounds just stop the facade of going through a dr for TRT and buy your own. It’s unbelievably dumb to try to jump through hoops to keep a testosterone prescription when it’s the cheapest compound there is.

Appreciate the feedback. The idea behind TRT is having the ability to travel with Test as I work interstate and internationally quite often so a prescription will come in handy! Unless there is a better way of approaching it? Prison wallet?

 

[dmandan]

Hey bro, welcome to EVO. Using test p in between your bloods is fine. Youll probably only need a week before bloods instead of 2 weeks for dropping your dose down as test p's half life is 24-48hrs. 2 weeks would be a little long. 250mg is a good starting dose but i wouldnt go much higher or focus on building muscle mass at that bodyfat %. The higher the bodyfat the worse youll aromatize test to estrogen. Your best bet is a cut down to around 12% followed by a bulk phase or number 2 being a recomp.

Diet wise, its goal dependent and even then having the same stats and goal but work different careers will end up with different diets. A worker in the trades will need a higher carb diet than an office worker.

Well regardless of that try and get your daily protein at around 200-220g. How frequently are you running and is it always 5-20km? if its often you can probably do around 150ish grams carbs daily or if its not every day, run lower carbs on non runnning days and carb load pre run on running days. for diet advice @LevButlerov can help you out more than i can.

For Anavar, I dont think its a good choice to run with your trt bloods because it lowers SHBG which lowers your total t and raise your free t. Does your trt bloodwork include free t and shbg? SHBG starts to recover in the first week but can take 2-6 weeks depending on other aas use and you personally.

Test only is the best choice for you at the moment. EQ and Deca are long esters and Dbol i wouldnt touch with a high bodyfat.

My advice over all, smash out a cut and bring the BF down and jump into a good bulk later. Thats the advice i took when i joined. Since its your cycle too just test is perfectly fine, especially if your working around your trt bloods for now.

@HarleyGuy @dmandan is working around his TRT bloodwork timing. Got any advice for timing dose change using test p?

This is exactly the info I was hoping for. Thank you very much Shakey.
I will cut back the running to avoid burning gains as my priorities have changed towards lifting now. Perhaps 30-40km weeks would be ideal.
My blood work does contain both Free T & SHBG, perhaps Anavar post blood work or save it for a second "blast" along with EQ.

 

[Shakey]

This is exactly the info I was hoping for. Thank you very much Shakey.
I will cut back the running to avoid burning gains as my priorities have changed towards lifting now. Perhaps 30-40km weeks would be ideal.
My blood work does contain both Free T & SHBG, perhaps Anavar post blood work or save it for a second "blast" along with EQ.

No worries bro. If you have a longer period between bloodwork for you TRT after these ones coming up in 8 weeks then running anavar post bloods is fine, but i suggest private blood work at 4 weeks ot see how your liver is handling it. Or save it for the full blast like you said.

Anavar you only run for roughly 7 weeks as orals are harder on the liver.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hey bro, welcome to EVO. Using test p in between your bloods is fine. Youll probably only need a week before bloods instead of 2 weeks for dropping your dose down as test p's half life is 24-48hrs. 2 weeks would be a little long. 250mg is a good starting dose but i wouldnt go much higher or focus on building muscle mass at that bodyfat %. The higher the bodyfat the worse youll aromatize test to estrogen. Your best bet is a cut down to around 12% followed by a bulk phase or number 2 being a recomp.

Diet wise, its goal dependent and even then having the same stats and goal but work different careers will end up with different diets. A worker in the trades will need a higher carb diet than an office worker.

Well regardless of that try and get your daily protein at around 200-220g. How frequently are you running and is it always 5-20km? if its often you can probably do around 150ish grams carbs daily or if its not every day, run lower carbs on non runnning days and carb load pre run on running days. for diet advice @LevButlerov can help you out more than i can.

For Anavar, I dont think its a good choice to run with your trt bloods because it lowers SHBG which lowers your total t and raise your free t. Does your trt bloodwork include free t and shbg? SHBG starts to recover in the first week but can take 2-6 weeks depending on other aas use and you personally.

Test only is the best choice for you at the moment. EQ and Deca are long esters and Dbol i wouldnt touch with a high bodyfat.

My advice over all, smash out a cut and bring the BF down and jump into a good bulk later. Thats the advice i took when i joined. Since its your cycle too just test is perfectly fine, especially if your working around your trt bloods for now.

@HarleyGuy @dmandan is working around his TRT bloodwork timing. Got any advice for timing dose change using test p?

Thanks for always taking good care of the new EVO brothers @Shakey

@Shakey your advice was bang on considering it's TestP and the rest too is stellar advice.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hello All,

Firstly, thanks for having me aboard.
I'm looking for some advice around all areas as I'm very fresh to this. If anyone can provide guidance or point me in the right direction I would appreciate it greatly!

I've been approved for TRT as I'm just below reference range for both test and free test, all other bloods look good. 125mg Test-E a week. I plan to use Test P for 6 weeks at 250mg a week, dial back in week 6 to the TRT dosage(125mg) for my TRT bloods in week 8 to keep prescription etc then blast 300mg a week post bloods. (Good idea or bad idea?, I'm inpatient)
Currently on: Mots-C, KLOW, IGF post workout

Stats: Male, Age: 33, 184cm, 85kg, Gym 1 year, around 18-22% body fat it seems
Lifts: Bench 90kg x 6 , Squat 140kg x 6, Leg press: 280kg x 8, Curls: 17.5kg x 6 etc (Mediocre)
I'm unable to do Reta as I run quite often and tolerating (5-20k) and the 10-15bpm raise is quite difficult, HRV also disrupts sleep to much

Questions:
- I'm torn between losing fat and putting on muscle mass. Is a lean bulk / body recomp the best approach to start with?
- Are there any eating guides for cycle (Prerequisite above as this would be goal dependent?)
- Is Test + Anavar the way forward? I do have access to EQ, Primo, Deca & Dbol as well but I'd expect test to be the only injectable to start with?

Any help is appreciated!

Cheers

Welcome to EVO @dmandan! Thanks for joining the EVO family.

I too used to keep an Rx TRT clinic in my back pocket to keep getting pharma Test refilled but it became such a pain in the ass I stopped and I do it myself now including my own bloodwork which I post here and it gets read by our experts (I read bloodwork too which then gets backed by even more knowledgeable mods as well).

For you to keep your TRT Rx you'll wanna listen to @Shakey's advice and drop the TestP one week out so you're not too low but also not too high. Over time I got it to be bang on around 14-17 nmol/L having had tons of experience with ester timing and dosing in order to come in bang on with my clinic. I've attached my last clinic bloodwork from early June to renew my Rx for TestE Delatestryl (Canadian 200mg/ml pharma TestE). That was the last time I'm doing it however.

Again, I agree with @Shakey about getting lean first. It's truly the best base physique to build from with this being a marathon game and not a sprint.

Would you be interested in starting up a log so you have your own log/diary here on EVO and you can join the logging family? I think this would be a great part of your journey cycling 250mg a week along with working out your clinic bloodwork we can help the whole way.

Let me know and I'll post a how-to log for you, takes only 15 mins and you have most of your info posted already. It starts with the stats you posted and a new thread with a log title of your choice and an avatar pic of your base physique we will insert for you when you post a pic of yourself. EVO is a judgement free zone so no pressure on the pic having to look anything like anyone elses.

Welcome again brother!