First Cycle (Test Prop/Win) Advice

[gojira]

Hello Evolutionary Community! New here. Been fishing around different forums seeing which one I might want to join. Evolutionary seems like it has both a knowledgeable and non-vicious community, a rare combination. Starting my first cycle of Test propionate and Winstrol and would like to receive some feedback on my cycle structure before I start. It's a short cycle (8 weeks on, 5 weeks PCT). Any constructive feedback would be much appreciated, I definitely want to learn!

Here is cycle layout on Google Doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13yOOpnkIoivd1pxDbxDdjdT5QUNIodhjokcBhsfti3o/pub

I would prefer to keep the cycle at 8 weeks as it would fit perfectly to when I have to go back to school in late August.
I'll be logging my cycle (Blood Pressure, weight/body comp and bloodwork post-cycle/Pre-PCT) and plan to post in about 14 weeks.

 

[Stalkerdog]

Sory bud. But thats a terrible cycle. No need to taper dosages and 8 weeks of winstrol is way to much. Use the search function here for 1 st cycles and draw up another plan. Post some stats age, height weight, bf% etc and what your trying to achieve.
Last but not least welcome to evo!!!

 

[gojira]

Alright, definitely will update.

What about tapering during PCT?

 

[gearhead]

bro why do you want to do this run? wouldnt recommend it... 1) where is your liver support like n2guard 2) where is your fat loss/cardio support like cardarine gw? 3) where is your AI like aromasin? 4) where is your proper Perfect pct? http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

please research more before running a cycle...and go thru all the info on evo...dangerous to run cycles like this....

 

[thechemicals]

Weak doses

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[gojira]

bro why do you want to do this run? wouldnt recommend it... 1) where is your liver support like n2guard 2) where is your fat loss/cardio support like cardarine gw? 3) where is your AI like aromasin? 4) where is your proper Perfect pct? http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

please research more before running a cycle...and go thru all the info on evo...dangerous to run cycles like this....

1) I didn't post it in there but I am running Liv. 52 and NAC (1200mg E.D.).
2) Just completed a Clen/Caffeine cycle. Planning to not run any lypolysis drugs for this cycle. Would you highly suggest I do?
3) I am running Sciroxx's Aromadex (anastrozole). One of my reasoning for selecting Test. Prop is due to it's low level of aromatization relative to other testosterones. I have modified it and will be running the aromadex through the cycle, though of my understanding a lot of people forget to contribute some of their strength gain to the turn over of estrogen helping to increase helping to improve the number and health of Neuro connective tissue (myosin). I was looking at other Test Prop cycles and I was suprised to see some not even running an AI, hence I thought I might be safe runing the aromadex at 25 mg E.D., I just don't want to over do it on AI as that will come with negative effects aswell.

 

[gojira]

Weak doses

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Here is an update:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sYSNdhrbDx2-vgHejgkv8wT2Ms30x-jQq4AYFMPYrno/pub

Would be running Test Prop. everyday at 50mg and Win Everyday at 50mg.

Are there reasons for running Test Prop. EOD @ 100mg vs ED at 50mg? I don't mind pinning frequency.

 

[LevButlerov]

The cycle update is good. However, there are still some changes to be made.

1. It is better to take 100 mgs EOD - less pins, and higher dosages per time that will lead to higher test peaks in the blood.

2. Add Aromasin as your AI.

3. N2Guard is much more effective than liv52, so I would add it to the entire cycle and PCT.

4. Ipamorelin is not effective, at all. In fact, it is the mildest GHPR you will find out there. So it is not worth its price. Better use GW Cardarine - it will shed a lot of fat, and help to keep the gains from the cycle.

 

[hurricane]

Hello Evolutionary Community! New here. Been fishing around different forums seeing which one I might want to join. Evolutionary seems like it has both a knowledgeable and non-vicious community, a rare combination. Starting my first cycle of Test propionate and Winstrol and would like to receive some feedback on my cycle structure before I start. It's a short cycle (8 weeks on, 5 weeks PCT). Any constructive feedback would be much appreciated, I definitely want to learn!

Here is cycle layout on Google Doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13yOOpnkIoivd1pxDbxDdjdT5QUNIodhjokcBhsfti3o/pub

I would prefer to keep the cycle at 8 weeks as it would fit perfectly to when I have to go back to school in late August.
I'll be logging my cycle (Blood Pressure, weight/body comp and bloodwork post-cycle/Pre-PCT) and plan to post in about 14 weeks.

welcome to evo good friend,..

 

[domestichgh]

Welcome to EVO!

 

[poopwho13]

Learned a lot from this thread

 

[thechemicals]

Welcome to evo

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[Texas_Made]

I think winstrol is the worst steroid out their... If you want to cutt take clen if you want to get harder take primo or masteron... winstrol takes all the water out of your joints and made my joints hurt so bad also made me super tired.

 

[anabols-markt.com]

Hello Evolutionary Community! New here. Been fishing around different forums seeing which one I might want to join. Evolutionary seems like it has both a knowledgeable and non-vicious community, a rare combination. Starting my first cycle of Test propionate and Winstrol and would like to receive some feedback on my cycle structure before I start. It's a short cycle (8 weeks on, 5 weeks PCT). Any constructive feedback would be much appreciated, I definitely want to learn!

Here is cycle layout on Google Doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13yOOpnkIoivd1pxDbxDdjdT5QUNIodhjokcBhsfti3o/pub

I would prefer to keep the cycle at 8 weeks as it would fit perfectly to when I have to go back to school in late August.
I'll be logging my cycle (Blood Pressure, weight/body comp and bloodwork post-cycle/Pre-PCT) and plan to post in about 14 weeks.

Hello dear friend. Welcome to Evolutionary, it's a great comunity

 

[alphalife]

1) I didn't post it in there but I am running Liv. 52 and NAC (1200mg E.D.).
2) Just completed a Clen/Caffeine cycle. Planning to not run any lypolysis drugs for this cycle. Would you highly suggest I do?
3) I am running Sciroxx's Aromadex (anastrozole). One of my reasoning for selecting Test. Prop is due to it's low level of aromatization relative to other testosterones. I have modified it and will be running the aromadex through the cycle, though of my understanding a lot of people forget to contribute some of their strength gain to the turn over of estrogen helping to increase helping to improve the number and health of Neuro connective tissue (myosin). I was looking at other Test Prop cycles and I was suprised to see some not even running an AI, hence I thought I might be safe runing the aromadex at 25 mg E.D., I just don't want to over do it on AI as that will come with negative effects aswell.

Is aromadex arimidex or aromasin? You said anastrazole but then said 25 mg. 25mg of anastrozole is 50x the recommended daily dose. I hope you meant 0.25 mg ed.

If it's aromasin, 25mg makes sense but you won't need that much. 12.5 eod would be a good placed to start.

 

[alphalife]

Oh, and welcome to Evo. Let me know if I can help with anything.

 

[mlang_62]

Read, Reasearch, construct then ask for advice a lot smart ppl here but if they took the time to answer ever post that's came along like this they would have no time to help the ppl that did put in the leg work.

This is me throwing you a bone since I already copied and pated it today - courtesy of getswole150

In a perfect world first cycle should look something like this (test could possible be increased a little)

Quote Originally Posted by getswole150 View Post

Alright lets see what you guys think, any suggestions or advice feel free.
25 years old
181lbs
2 years of prohormone usage (5 cycles all together)
12 years of weightlifting of and on due to sports injuries ect

So I decided to go with a straight Test E cycle of 600mg/week---300mg shots 2 times/week

CYCLE
Wk 1-2 Test E @ 300mg/week (to give me an idea of how im going to react)
Wk 3-12 Test E @ 600mg/week
Wk 2-12 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
WK 5-12 HCGenerate 5caps/day

PCT
Wk 1-2 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
HC Generate 5 caps/day
Cardarine 20mgs/day

Wk 3-6
Aromasin 7.5mg EOD
HC Generate 5 caps/day
Cardarine 20mgs/day
Ostarine 25/25/25/25(if I don't bridge with SARMS last week at 12.5mg)
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolvadex 40/20/20/10


At this point assuming all went well I plan to start a SARM bridge (id know this towards the end of the TEST cycle and decide from there)
WK 1-8
Cardarine 20mg/day
Ostarine 25mg/day

Mini PCT
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Clomid 40/40/25/25
HCGenerate 5 caps/day

 

[Prospect]

Welcome to evo

 

[blitz3203]

If you aren't stepping on stage I would use something else other than winstrol, winstrol should really only be used pre show imo. It's terrible on your joints and as soon as you come off you will get all of that water retention back.

I'd suggest just 500mg test e for 10-12 as first cycle. Not test prop.. Pinning Eod or Ed as your first cycle is quite the commitment.

 

[alphalife]

If you aren't stepping on stage I would use something else other than winstrol, winstrol should really only be used pre show imo. It's terrible on your joints and as soon as you come off you will get all of that water retention back.

I'd suggest just 500mg test e for 10-12 as first cycle. Not test prop.. Pinning Eod or Ed as your first cycle is quite the commitment.

This is great advice.