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krazieone56 said:
Jesus Christ. 75mg of dbol? I hope u got your supports going double time. Thats a ton bro.
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I am, very good support. I work at a chiropractic clinic and we carry several pharm quality liver support/detox supplements that work very well. Besides, I only upped the dose because I wasn't feeling what I normally do, started at 50mg, and god knows how underdosed it is. I could be running jack shit lol cuz i feel ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
 
GBPACK26 said:
I am, very good support. I work at a chiropractic clinic and we carry several pharm quality liver support/detox supplements that work very well. Besides, I only upped the dose because I wasn't feeling what I normally do, started at 50mg, and god knows how underdosed it is. I could be running jack shit lol cuz i feel ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
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Damn hook me up w some of those supps bro. Lol. Sounds like great stuff
 
krazieone56 said:
Damn hook me up w some of those supps bro. Lol. Sounds like great stuff
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I can do that, they are pricey but I can have them drop shipped anywhere. They are by a company called Metagenics, they will only sell to a healthcare provider, so you cant find em anywhere but a chiro clinic or doc office etc. You can find them online but there are alot of fakes and knockoffs out there, they have been around for 80 years so several people have tried to copy them over the years.
 
GBPACK26 said:
I can do that, they are pricey but I can have them drop shipped anywhere. They are by a company called Metagenics, they will only sell to a healthcare provider, so you cant find em anywhere but a chiro clinic or doc office etc. You can find them online but there are alot of fakes and knockoffs out there, they have been around for 80 years so several people have tried to copy them over the years.
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Sweet. That would be cool.
 
GBPACK26 said:
I am honestly real pissed, this cycle was after a long break from gear just to let my body recover and run on its own for awhile. I was pretty jacked up about this cycle, had been missing it.
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I feel you. This kinda cycle screwed up my future cycle plans as well.
 
Well fellas I guess we won't have my lab results till next week. I believe their business hours for the lab are probably up today. :(


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I'm looking forward to the bloods. I'm sitting on 6vials, 2bags of dbol and adex and am going to be fucking livid if I wasted my money. That's two fucking cycles worth of potential garbage if bloods are bad.
 
Damn I hope his test is good. Ive been Practically hemorrhaging money on this shit. It's enough to mske a working man bleed out
 
Sorry bro. I have run many cycles. I have been running his test and tren with absolutely no positive effects. It sucks hard when you get bunk gear. I have not been on cycle for over 6 months and i really looked forward to this one. I learned my lesson though. I ordered somewhere else from someone I truly trust.
RhinoMan84 said:
I'm looking forward to the bloods. I'm sitting on 6vials, 2bags of dbol and adex and am going to be fucking livid if I wasted my money. That's two fucking cycles worth of potential garbage if bloods are bad.
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stilwtr74 said:
Damn I hope his test is good. Ive been Practically hemorrhaging money on this shit. It's enough to mske a working man bleed out
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Word... I'm trying to stock up right now because I'm about to be a dad for the first time and mommas not gonna work anymore.
 
pcgken said:
Sorry bro. I have run many cycles. I have been running his test and tren with absolutely no positive effects. It sucks hard when you get bunk gear. I have not been on cycle for over 6 months and i really looked forward to this one. I learned my lesson though. I ordered somewhere else from someone I truly trust.
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They say everyone eats one at least once if this is the lifestyle you lead, I'll make sure it won't happen again.
 
Yeah a little one will make you tighten your belt for sure. I'm new to the forum and looking for someone to trust or someone to trust me anyway
 
RhinoMan84 said:
Word... I'm trying to stock up right now because I'm about to be a dad for the first time and mommas not gonna work anymore.
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Congrats on the baby bro. There's nothing like the pride you feel being a dad. On the gear comment..... I'm afraid we got fucked. Been running his test for a while with no effects. I emailed him to express my feelings on the matter. He did tell me he would replace my order from a new batch of raws in a week or two. Guess we'll see how that goes.
 
The order for my test e/dbol was supposed to be processed after I talked to him on the 25th, hopefully he will have the dosages where they should be
 
Don't let these old members on here doubt hammers gear. I know yall don't have time to read all 83 pages but there is plenty of satisfied customers. The old members here are just riding the flame train in hopes of free gear. FYI I'm not a rep I just know how forums work. Old members tty to bash everyone and new members are just trying to have an opinion. Hammer has stated if you got a bad batch he will make you whole. I will continue to states my opinions and I will continue to contradict the members riding the flame train. If you don't like it then don't read my post.
 
Damnit Franco, next time put the don't read my post disclaimer at the top. That's 45 seconds I'll never see again. Jeesh.
 
franco14 said:
Don't let these old members on here doubt hammers gear. I know yall don't have time to read all 83 pages but there is plenty of satisfied customers. The old members here are just riding the flame train in hopes of free gear. FYI I'm not a rep I just know how forums work. Old members tty to bash everyone and new members are just trying to have an opinion. Hammer has stated if you got a bad batch he will make you whole. I will continue to states my opinions and I will continue to contradict the members riding the flame train. If you don't like it then don't read my post.
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Hey jackass, please go look at when Hammer actually joined and started selling. He hasn't even been around long enough for anyone to really run a cycle of his gear. If someone has they are just now getting through with their cycle. So where are they now? Why did they disappear from this thread before their cycle was up? Hmmm.....


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Once again when you make me point out the obvious, it does more harm then good.


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franco14 said:
Don't let these old members on here doubt hammers gear. I know yall don't have time to read all 83 pages but there is plenty of satisfied customers. The old members here are just riding the flame train in hopes of free gear. FYI I'm not a rep I just know how forums work. Old members tty to bash everyone and new members are just trying to have an opinion. Hammer has stated if you got a bad batch he will make you whole. I will continue to states my opinions and I will continue to contradict the members riding the flame train. If you don't like it then don't read my post.
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There are only a few bets bashing him. And most of them are trying to look out for us. If you read the rest of the pages it's people bashing him who's been on his gear.
 
Bigbird138 said:
Damnit Franco, next time put the don't read my post disclaimer at the top. That's 45 seconds I'll never see again. Jeesh.
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You needed me to tell you that's it's your choice not read my post? Lol pathetic
OdieM said:
Hey jackass, please go look at when Hammer actually joined and started selling. He hasn't even been around long enough for anyone to really run a cycle of his gear. If someone has they are just now getting through with their cycle. So where are they now? Why did they disappear from this thread before their cycle was up? Hmmm.....


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Looks like my post are still pulling you along. I don't got much to say to you other then you are one the members that used your rep to your advantage to get free gear. Two faced faggot
 
I hope franco runs the gear and posts the results. Keep a log and give us your honest opinion after running a full cycle.
 
franco14 said:
Don't let these old members on here doubt hammers gear. I know yall don't have time to read all 83 pages but there is plenty of satisfied customers. The old members here are just riding the flame train in hopes of free gear. FYI I'm not a rep I just know how forums work. Old members tty to bash everyone and new members are just trying to have an opinion. Hammer has stated if you got a bad batch he will make you whole. I will continue to states my opinions and I will continue to contradict the members riding the flame train. If you don't like it then don't read my post.
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I am not an old member.

MANY guys aren't getting dick from his tren and we are experienced.

Look I didn't say a word when Odie wasn't getting sides effects, because he was new to tren, so I sat on my thoughts. Than another guy came out and said the same thing and another guy and now a fourth guy. I've researched their history and none of them are affiliated with anyone. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... You might get away with under dosing dbol, test, a bombs etc.. but you CAN'T do that with tren.

Why are you on this guys dick anyways? He is sending out replacements, doing what he can to make it right. Let the man run his business. If he fixes this, it will come out in the wash.

Either way he already lost one star in my book because he opened up about how his gear "hits like a hammer" and that he was so confident in his supplier and all this other happy horse shit, than turns around and sells tren with REALLY low purity. This makes me suspicious that he just bought raws off the common market- Bruce, Legend or some crappy place like that, brewed it and sold it. Even my rookie ass who hasn't brewed a gram in his life knows that shit simply won't fly. I hope that isn't the case but only time will tell.
 
franco14 said:
You needed me to tell you that's it's your choice not read my post? Lol pathetic

Looks like my post are still pulling you along. I don't got much to say to you other then you are one the members that used your rep to your advantage to get free gear. Two faced faggot
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This guy told me he was a lawyer the other day. LMAO. How about you post up a pic of yourself so I can see how pathetic you really are. You are a chump with a keyboard. I bet you still live with your folks. Please don't think you've got me riled up. I am actually traveling today and I'm just board.


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franco14 said:
You needed me to tell you that's it's your choice not read my post? Lol pathetic

Looks like my post are still pulling you along. I don't got much to say to you other then you are one the members that used your rep to your advantage to get free gear. Two faced faggot
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I don't think he's im it for free gear. Hes contributed a lot to the members...lab maxs, blood work. His opinion on the tren a. You've done nothing to contribute but argue with the vets around here.
 
I picked up a couple test prop and a couple tren ace among other things ive been pinning the test and tren eod my strength seems to be around the same as the test cyp i just switched off of so far but im not seeing none of the tren results or sides that i normally would ive really been trying to give it a chance because i honestly like hammer and hus customer service is awesome and his t/a is super fast but taking that tren eod straight for 3weeks and no nothin is a real stomach blow. I hope the test prop hangs in there and its not just my cyp i came off of but ill have to see, no i havent done bloods and may or may not be but i know my body well enough to tell. Keep ya posted on the prop!
 
jackmeoff said:
I am not an old member.

MANY guys aren't getting dick from his tren and we are experienced.

Look I didn't say a word when Odie wasn't getting sides effects, because he was new to tren, so I sat on my thoughts. Than another guy came out and said the same thing and another guy and now a fourth guy. I've researched their history and none of them are affiliated with anyone. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... You might get away with under dosing dbol, test, a bombs etc.. but you CAN'T do that with tren.

Why are you on this guys dick anyways? He is sending out replacements, doing what he can to make it right. Let the man run his business. If he fixes this, it will come out in the wash.

Either way he already lost one star in my book because he opened up about how his gear "hits like a hammer" and that he was so confident in his supplier and all this other happy horse shit, than turns around and sells tren with REALLY low purity. This makes me suspicious that he just bought raws off the common market- Bruce, Legend or some crappy place like that, brewed it and sold it. Even my rookie ass who hasn't brewed a gram in his life knows that shit simply won't fly. I hope that isn't the case but only time will tell.
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Lap riding who's dick?? I'm challenging members that are just trying to flame a thread. None of my post ruins nor helps hammer. This is America and I'm dawn proud to speak my mind as a proud American
 
franco14 said:
Do I have to run his gear to state my opinion on how old members are just using there status to flame/get free gear? NO
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Hey bro, there r tons of old heads here not chomping at the bit for free gear, me being 1 of them. U want to call anyone out specifically, that is fine, but with all due respect, narrow ur focus towards those u have the issue with.


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Yet a nother person not happy with his tren including myself. So maybe his tren isn't that all great. I'm not a vet so I have nothing to gain by saying this.
 
franco14 said:
Do I have to run his gear to state my opinion on how old members are just using there status to flame/get free gear? NO
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Have you ever ran any gear or just get residuals from the cum you swallow in the locker room? I know Fucko, shit I meant Franco personally . We used to call him jawbone!!!
 
jackmeoff said:
you are so confident in this guy that you didn't even buy his gear? Wtf! Is this real life?
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i am contradicting members using there status to flame/get free gear. When did i say i confide in anyone. That is your assumption and its not on point
 
franco14 said:
Lap riding who's dick?? I'm challenging members that are just trying to flame a thread. None of my post ruins nor helps hammer. This is America and I'm dawn proud to speak my mind as a proud American
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Fair enough. But just let it be known that YOU personally have NO experience with this guys gear. On top of that you are arguing with members who have in fact been sold under dosed gear.

Stop for a second and think of what that looks like. If you think there is some kind of agenda behind that, fair enough, but if you want to be taken seriously, you better have some proof to back up those assertions. If you are the "lawyer" you say you are, I though you would be aware of this paradigm.
 
Casca said:
Hey bro, there r tons of old heads here not chomping at the bit for free gear, me being 1 of them. U want to call anyone out specifically, that is fine, but with all due respect, narrow ur focus towards those u have the issue with.


Casca

The Green Machine
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The members im challenging know who they are. I've challenge their post and their post only.
 
Casca said:
Hey bro, there r tons of old heads here not chomping at the bit for free gear, me being 1 of them. U want to call anyone out specifically, that is fine, but with all due respect, narrow ur focus towards those u have the issue with.


Casca

The Green Machine
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Right? Lol I'm sorry but people are to quick to give a "g2g" on a lab here. It's funny because nobody has even finished a cycle of Hammers gear. How can it be g2g already?

Also, I don't think any so called old guys or vets want free gear. Most of the vets, if not all have a lab they use exclusively. So why would they want free gear?

And Franco, you're a grade a asshole for no reason. Why don't you take hammer's dick out of your throat.

And you're calling everyone old lol. How old are you? From your tone and vocabulary you seem to be late teens or early 20s. So why don't you sit back and learn something from the older guys?
 
scurry30 said:
Have you ever ran any gear or just get residuals from the cum you swallow in the locker room? I know Fucko, shit I meant Franco personally . We used to call him jawbone!!!
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Very mature coming from a guy with the screen name scurry. Sounds like you got some locker room stories you need to vent out. It's okay we won't judge you
jackmeoff said:
Fair enough. But just let it be known that YOU personally have NO experience with this guys gear. On top of that you are arguing with members who have in fact been sold under dosed gear.

Stop for a second and think of what that looks like. If you think there is some kind of agenda behind that, fair enough, but if you want to be taken seriously, you better have some proof to back up those assertions. If you are the "lawyer" you say you are, I though you would be aware of this paradigm.
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Wanna know what's funny? only member im contradicting that has tried hammers is odie lol everyone else that has replied to my post is just people riding the flame train
 
Redam said:
Right? Lol I'm sorry but people are to quick to give a "g2g" on a lab here. It's funny because nobody has even finished a cycle of Hammers gear. How can it be g2g already?
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And he has 5 stars across reviews based on TA and package presentation alone . Who the fuck writes a review based on that? That is like going to a restaurant, being seated and writing a review on yelp about how awesome the restaurant is before you get your food.
 
franco14 said:
Very mature coming from a guy with the screen name scurry. Sounds like you got some locker room stories you need to vent out. It's okay we won't judge you

Wanna know what's funny? only member im contradicting that has tried hammers is odie lol everyone else that has replied to my post is just people riding the flame train
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....and why is it you're contradicting Odie so hard? What did he do or say that made you single him out as dishonest?
 
Situation as I see it is simply, the tren is the issue at hand and had presented itself some time ago, as I was aware of Odie's issue with it. Odie's a friend of mine and it is apparent that with the others coming foward, brought this to the forefront.

Jackmeoff is just calling a spade a spade. Cutting through the red tape.

Hammer has said, if u have an issue he would replace, simple.


Casca

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franco14 said:
Very mature coming from a guy with the screen name scurry. Sounds like you got some locker room stories you need to vent out. It's okay we won't judge you

Wanna know what's funny? only member im contradicting that has tried hammers is odie lol everyone else that has replied to my post is just people riding the flame train
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And if you pulled your head out of your ass you would know that Odie has other tren already from another lab that he PAID for. Observe the facts before making such a call my man.
 
franco14 said:
i am contradicting members using there status to flame/get free gear. When did i say i confide in anyone. That is your assumption and its not on point
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No you are not. You are being a real asshole to good bros who try hard to help out and contribute. And if you ask me or prob anyone else, it looks like you are all over hammers dick in the hopes that you gain some favor. I mean really??? Who does what you are doing with a lab who's gear he hasn't even made a run of?? GTF out.
 
Casca said:
Situation as I see it is simply, the tren is the issue at hand and had presented itself some time ago, as I was aware of Odie's issue with it. Odie's a friend of mine and it is apparent that with the others coming foward, brought this to the forefront.

Jackmeoff is just calling a spade a spade. Cutting through the red tape.

Hammer has said, if u have an issue he would replace, simple.


Casca

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Amen to that. I bet now that you said that the flame will stop since your a respected member here. If you read my replies in the beginning of this thread that's all I was trying to state. But everyone wanted to ride the flame train. Maybe now these members will listen
 
Why contradict Odie? He has tried the tren at super high dosages and it did not work. Others have said the same thing. They actually tried the gear. I myself have run tren many times over the years and this one did nothing.We stepped out on faith and gave the guy a go. I'm glad Hammer is replacing some of the gear dissatisfied customers experienced. To be truly objective, I think you should run his gear with before and after pics. Keep a log and come to your verdict after the experience. Want to be successful? Take the right steps, produce a good product, have good communication, and keep your customer base happy.The vets here are not really bashing anyone, they are trying to help. As for people saying it is g2g, they need to judge off of results not T/A time. A Source's defense is determined by how good their product is.
franco14 said:
Very mature coming from a guy with the screen name scurry. Sounds like you got some locker room stories you need to vent out. It's okay we won't judge you

Wanna know what's funny? only member im contradicting that has tried hammers is odie lol everyone else that has replied to my post is just people riding the flame train
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scurry30 said:
....and why is it you're contradicting Odie so hard? What did he do or say that made you single him out as dishonest?
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Why wouldn't I? Odie praised hammers tren for 3 weeks straight! I've quoted these post in the beginning of this thread that shows all the praise he gave to hammer! Then all of sudden he flip the script and said it was under dosed gear. How can the tren work perfectly for him for 3 weeks and then all of sudden it's under dosed and bunk gear. I'll quote his post again if u need me to
 
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In being objective....it's possible that hammer got fucked by his raw supplier. If that's the case and he makes it right then he's a standup guy. Only time will tell.
 
I can say Franco that I have been running the Tren with Test and the Tren is doing nothing. I always feel the effects of Tren. I've used it many times, but this Tren has no effect on me whatsoever.
 
franco14 said:
Why wouldn't I? Odie praised hammers tren for 3 weeks straight! I've quoted these post in the beginning of this thread that shows all the praise he gave to hammer! Then all of sudden he flip the script and said it was under dosed gear. How can the tren work perfectly for him for 3 weeks and then all of sudden it's under dosed and bunk gear. I'll quote his post again if u need me to
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I'm just trying to figure out how it's any of your business. You don't run the gear so you have no vested interest in it whatsoever. ...and I'm pretty sure hammer didn't need a knight in shining armor to defend him. So what's the deal really? Why are you involved in this at all?
 
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I'm just trying to figure out how it's any of your business. You don't run the gear so you have no vested interest in it whatsoever. ...and I'm pretty sure hammer didn't need a knight in shining armor to defend him. So what's the deal really? Why are you involved in this at all?
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You haven't tried his gear either and you still posting your opinon. So i can also
 
Why are you still here, Franco? All you do is troll. The worst of it is, you're too stupid to be good at it. You truly have no life. Pathetic.
 
franco14 said:
Who's claiming to be better? your post is irrelevant
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No beef with you, Franco....but reading thru the thread, its just so much negative energy from you, and truthfully getting old. Dudes in here are trying to sort out serious business matters. Hard earned money and reputations are at stake.
I dont usually post that much unless I have a legitimate reason or to help where i can....
Lately your squabbles with good cats here are juvenile and antiquated....just my .02
 
He sold out of his var not long ago. There's gotta be someone on here who tried it lol. Hope I didn't pay var price for wack ass winny
 
Ol.DirtyBastard said:
No beef with you, Franco....but reading thru the thread, its just so much negative energy from you, and truthfully getting old. Dudes in here are trying to sort out serious business matters. Hard earned money and reputations are at stake.
I dont usually post that much unless I have a legitimate reason or to help where i can....
Lately your squabbles with good cats here are juvenile and antiquated....just my .02
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No beef with you but if you notice I'm arguing with the people who haven't tried hammers gear. only member i called out that tried hammers gear is odie that's because he praised hammers gear for weeks and then said it was bunk. Here's the screens to prove it
 

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Thats fine....and you have an opinion, but I too have monies vested in Hammers products. Im just sitting back and let the veterans sort this out. Thats what this community is for....to teach, learn and protect our bros and hard earned money...thats all.
Throwing rocks and mudslinging only adds fuel to the fire, and youre the fuel.....
Thats not how we we work around here. This is not a social / entertainment chat room, where people demeanor eachother for shits and giggles. Its a place of consultation and brotherhood
 
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Everyone on this forum says wait be patient and you will figure things out. I pulled the trigger on hammers goods because of the reviews and honestly thinking that most the sources I've seen seem to start out well then its a coin toss. I thought I may come out on top if I got in early enough. It's a pain in the ass trying to weed thru all the bs on his threads to find out whos happy and why. Whats with all the homo shit anyway? Sounds like someone may be at the least bit curious and lashing out. Can we stop the bashing and accusations until we see how he pans out?
 
I really shouldn't have let myself get pulled into this childish shit. I apologize to the community for adding to the bullshit.
 
Honestly I agree with so much you guys have just said and respect you for it. I just want to wait and see what happens, sorry for just jumping in, but I have been sort of attacked in ways I don't even fully understand and I can assure you I have no motives other then the hope it was just a mistake. Hammer seems straight forward, I have paid for all my gear and want nothing other then what I paid for to turn out right or if there's a screw up for replacements. I only got a small amount of teen, still a financial loss to me that hurts, I'm not rich but I also invested in packs of test prop that would honestly destroy me if it was not legit. Hammer said he would fix that no problem, that's pretty much all I can do, nothing free just what I paid for. Now I have had a bit of fear put in me that I'm worried about the rest as well, but in hopes that the man can be taken a face value and past reviews I have hope it will turn out well. I gave him credit to t/a yes, it was fast, and for quick responses to my emails. This board is all I know and where I turn to people who have more knowledge then me for advice, and i give credit to people who take time out to help me. This type of drama is new to me and its not like we can actually yell and scream at people to get things done, its a website, what can I actually do but talk shit, I'm not pleased I had shot tren ace the hurt like hell and did nothing but id rather hope for a mistake then a scam and give him the chance to fix it before I start jumping around impotently in my house and writing things on here that may not even be true. I just want to wait for bloods and go from there. I probably would have waited if this was all posted prior to my order, it showed up the day my pack arrived, talk about a shit feeling. Still he has communicated from day one, and once I seen and felt there was an issue I went to him and as said he told me new gear would be here right away. I think we are all a bit worked up but handling things in different ways. Everything may turn out alright in the end but it also may not, I just want to wait and see. If its underdosed or just straight trash I hope he reaches out like he has, sticks to his word and makes corrections where they are due. I don't want anything but what I used my hard earned money on and I think we all for the most part feel the same. I offered bloods as soon as I can get them next week not to shill, whatever that is, or troll whatever that is, just to find out what I ordered a box full of, hundreds of dollars, and lots of hope worth of product. Maybe I wrilotr wrong or whatever, but if he corrects everything in okay with that, id like to be able to take away the week of painful shots and week of worry as well, but I'm not ready to just write shit off, bash him and walk away just yet. I get the anger, I have been scammed a few times but I have been safe since getting on this site, learned alot and and I am still learning. There are people here with more knowledge then me, and id like the opportunity to learn from them and get better as I move along. I don't like negative shit, I avoid it, as far as I'm concerns we are states apart and don't know each other but can come together to address an issue and learn. The people who said what they felt the need to, that I didn't get except they felt the need to try to belittle me could have probably been a great benefit to my goals and maybe showed me what they thought in a way I could grasp but choose not to, my loss honestly but I cant get mad at people I don't know and will probably never have the opportunity to meet. I am not a child and I doubt abuse is an issue I need to concern myself with other then using there great knowledge to try to offend me instead of teach. It is no ones Job to be to be a teacher or guide but whats the point in trashing people who have no clue what your even talking about, the offer stands to all of them, ill drop the whole thing and I'm open to hearing what issues you had and willing to correct if I have made a mistake or failed in seeing important information. Still I am not a child, I am a man in evertsense of the word, I will not lower myself to being others entertainment for being pushed to act a way I don't agree with. If I missed something show me your points in a way I can grasp until I learn more ans maybe is even agree, but maybe not. Still as a man, with kids old enough to be here with me I feel no need to act as a kid and make stupid comments on a forum anyone could be on and taking what we say for there own personal benefit, I just wanted to side with the people in the same situation, learn and hopefully clear tho up, wouldn't it be better if things are fine, and just a shit mix up with the tren and var happened, quick fix and move along, keep the source and ingetrty of our members. I am not a rep, just a man with money invested, a draw full of product that until I know foe sure I'm nervous with. I haven't heard anything negative from his test yet any one with a constructive feedback they could share, is there a legit reason I should worry about these rows of test prop I have in abundance I need to worry about" again bought and paid for, not trail or test gear I got for free but my personal money I saved over a period of time to get. That's all I want, my legit gear I paid for, if he is legit that's awesome if not figure where we stand, replacement gear or screeed. I assure you I am all about helping others but my investment is a loss that would be hard to recover from.. Any and all advice welcome, the tren is no good, what about the rest, anyone fell that the test is still good and its isolated to the tren and the winny ness up, and the rest is good? I would love personal experience, it was the reviews here that made me order, then talking with him secured me, but I thout it was just the tren, are there issues anyone is dealing with from the test products, I pain year round for the rest of my life so this is throwing me way of and its gonna be hard to recover, real hard. I didn't want attention, just to contribute to the forum, what else can I do but offer small things, you all know more about this then me.
 
richiquick79 said:
Honestly I agree with so much you guys have just said and respect you for it. I just want to wait and see what happens, sorry for just jumping in, but I have been sort of attacked in ways I don't even fully understand and I can assure you I have no motives other then the hope it was just a mistake. Hammer seems straight forward, I have paid for all my gear and want nothing other then what I paid for to turn out right or if there's a screw up for replacements. I only got a small amount of teen, still a financial loss to me that hurts, I'm not rich but I also invested in packs of test prop that would honestly destroy me if it was not legit. Hammer said he would fix that no problem, that's pretty much all I can do, nothing free just what I paid for. Now I have had a bit of fear put in me that I'm worried about the rest as well, but in hopes that the man can be taken a face value and past reviews I have hope it will turn out well. I gave him credit to t/a yes, it was fast, and for quick responses to my emails. This board is all I know and where I turn to people who have more knowledge then me for advice, and i give credit to people who take time out to help me. This type of drama is new to me and its not like we can actually yell and scream at people to get things done, its a website, what can I actually do but talk shit, I'm not pleased I had shot tren ace the hurt like hell and did nothing but id rather hope for a mistake then a scam and give him the chance to fix it before I start jumping around impotently in my house and writing things on here that may not even be true. I just want to wait for bloods and go from there. I probably would have waited if this was all posted prior to my order, it showed up the day my pack arrived, talk about a shit feeling. Still he has communicated from day one, and once I seen and felt there was an issue I went to him and as said he told me new gear would be here right away. I think we are all a bit worked up but handling things in different ways. Everything may turn out alright in the end but it also may not, I just want to wait and see. If its underdosed or just straight trash I hope he reaches out like he has, sticks to his word and makes corrections where they are due. I don't want anything but what I used my hard earned money on and I think we all for the most part feel the same. I offered bloods as soon as I can get them next week not to shill, whatever that is, or troll whatever that is, just to find out what I ordered a box full of, hundreds of dollars, and lots of hope worth of product. Maybe I wrilotr wrong or whatever, but if he corrects everything in okay with that, id like to be able to take away the week of painful shots and week of worry as well, but I'm not ready to just write shit off, bash him and walk away just yet. I get the anger, I have been scammed a few times but I have been safe since getting on this site, learned alot and and I am still learning. There are people here with more knowledge then me, and id like the opportunity to learn from them and get better as I move along. I don't like negative shit, I avoid it, as far as I'm concerns we are states apart and don't know each other but can come together to address an issue and learn. The people who said what they felt the need to, that I didn't get except they felt the need to try to belittle me could have probably been a great benefit to my goals and maybe showed me what they thought in a way I could grasp but choose not to, my loss honestly but I cant get mad at people I don't know and will probably never have the opportunity to meet. I am not a child and I doubt abuse is an issue I need to concern myself with other then using there great knowledge to try to offend me instead of teach. It is no ones Job to be to be a teacher or guide but whats the point in trashing people who have no clue what your even talking about, the offer stands to all of them, ill drop the whole thing and I'm open to hearing what issues you had and willing to correct if I have made a mistake or failed in seeing important information. Still I am not a child, I am a man in evertsense of the word, I will not lower myself to being others entertainment for being pushed to act a way I don't agree with. If I missed something show me your points in a way I can grasp until I learn more ans maybe is even agree, but maybe not. Still as a man, with kids old enough to be here with me I feel no need to act as a kid and make stupid comments on a forum anyone could be on and taking what we say for there own personal benefit, I just wanted to side with the people in the same situation, learn and hopefully clear tho up, wouldn't it be better if things are fine, and just a shit mix up with the tren and var happened, quick fix and move along, keep the source and ingetrty of our members. I am not a rep, just a man with money invested, a draw full of product that until I know foe sure I'm nervous with. I haven't heard anything negative from his test yet any one with a constructive feedback they could share, is there a legit reason I should worry about these rows of test prop I have in abundance I need to worry about" again bought and paid for, not trail or test gear I got for free but my personal money I saved over a period of time to get. That's all I want, my legit gear I paid for, if he is legit that's awesome if not figure where we stand, replacement gear or screeed. I assure you I am all about helping others but my investment is a loss that would be hard to recover from.. Any and all advice welcome, the tren is no good, what about the rest, anyone fell that the test is still good and its isolated to the tren and the winny ness up, and the rest is good? I would love personal experience, it was the reviews here that made me order, then talking with him secured me, but I thout it was just the tren, are there issues anyone is dealing with from the test products, I pain year round for the rest of my life so this is throwing me way of and its gonna be hard to recover, real hard. I didn't want attention, just to contribute to the forum, what else can I do but offer small things, you all know more about this then me.
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Holy shit bro, u need a hug!!!! GOD DAMN.

Listen, the only way to keep sources honest is bringing forth the concerns that u have out.

Enough of this back door bs. And let's not forget those members that will scam the source themaelves, gotta watch these fuckers!!!


Casca

The Green Machine
 
I had Hammers Drol and it was good. I had to take 75mg a day to get good results. Drakon is only one lab that was stronger but they make top of the line products.
 
stilwtr74 said:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Everyone on this forum says wait be patient and you will figure things out. I pulled the trigger on hammers goods because of the reviews and honestly thinking that most the sources I've seen seem to start out well then its a coin toss. I thought I may come out on top if I got in early enough. It's a pain in the ass trying to weed thru all the bs on his threads to find out whos happy and why. Whats with all the homo shit anyway? Sounds like someone may be at the least bit curious and lashing out. Can we stop the bashing and accusations until we see how he pans out?
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How long has Hammer been here compared to other proven sources????Think about it for minute before you react? How many vets and friends have you made here on EVO......It not that hard except if you are impatient and want a quick fix.....IMO
 
I'll labmax the var and keep you guys posted. How much is the test and how long does it typically ship to California?
 
stilwtr74 said:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Everyone on this forum says wait be patient and you will figure things out. I pulled the trigger on hammers goods because of the reviews and honestly thinking that most the sources I've seen seem to start out well then its a coin toss. I thought I may come out on top if I got in early enough. It's a pain in the ass trying to weed thru all the bs on his threads to find out whos happy and why. Whats with all the homo shit anyway? Sounds like someone may be at the least bit curious and lashing out. Can we stop the bashing and accusations until we see how he pans out?
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How long has Hammer been here compared to other proven sources????Think about it for minute before you react? How many vets and friends have you made here on EVO......It not that hard except if you are impatient and want a quick fix.....IMO


Is it just me or are all Hammers reviews in last 3 weeks compared to other sources that have been here with better reviews/ vets backing them.Reviews over a year long ...I hope it just not me....Seems basic
 
richiquick79 said:
Honestly I agree with so much you guys have just said and respect you for it. I just want to wait and see what happens, sorry for just jumping in, but I have been sort of attacked in ways I don't even fully understand and I can assure you I have no motives other then the hope it was just a mistake. Hammer seems straight forward, I have paid for all my gear and want nothing other then what I paid for to turn out right or if there's a screw up for replacements. I only got a small amount of teen, still a financial loss to me that hurts, I'm not rich but I also invested in packs of test prop that would honestly destroy me if it was not legit. Hammer said he would fix that no problem, that's pretty much all I can do, nothing free just what I paid for. Now I have had a bit of fear put in me that I'm worried about the rest as well, but in hopes that the man can be taken a face value and past reviews I have hope it will turn out well. I gave him credit to t/a yes, it was fast, and for quick responses to my emails. This board is all I know and where I turn to people who have more knowledge then me for advice, and i give credit to people who take time out to help me. This type of drama is new to me and its not like we can actually yell and scream at people to get things done, its a website, what can I actually do but talk shit, I'm not pleased I had shot tren ace the hurt like hell and did nothing but id rather hope for a mistake then a scam and give him the chance to fix it before I start jumping around impotently in my house and writing things on here that may not even be true. I just want to wait for bloods and go from there. I probably would have waited if this was all posted prior to my order, it showed up the day my pack arrived, talk about a shit feeling. Still he has communicated from day one, and once I seen and felt there was an issue I went to him and as said he told me new gear would be here right away. I think we are all a bit worked up but handling things in different ways. Everything may turn out alright in the end but it also may not, I just want to wait and see. If its underdosed or just straight trash I hope he reaches out like he has, sticks to his word and makes corrections where they are due. I don't want anything but what I used my hard earned money on and I think we all for the most part feel the same. I offered bloods as soon as I can get them next week not to shill, whatever that is, or troll whatever that is, just to find out what I ordered a box full of, hundreds of dollars, and lots of hope worth of product. Maybe I wrilotr wrong or whatever, but if he corrects everything in okay with that, id like to be able to take away the week of painful shots and week of worry as well, but I'm not ready to just write shit off, bash him and walk away just yet. I get the anger, I have been scammed a few times but I have been safe since getting on this site, learned alot and and I am still learning. There are people here with more knowledge then me, and id like the opportunity to learn from them and get better as I move along. I don't like negative shit, I avoid it, as far as I'm concerns we are states apart and don't know each other but can come together to address an issue and learn. The people who said what they felt the need to, that I didn't get except they felt the need to try to belittle me could have probably been a great benefit to my goals and maybe showed me what they thought in a way I could grasp but choose not to, my loss honestly but I cant get mad at people I don't know and will probably never have the opportunity to meet. I am not a child and I doubt abuse is an issue I need to concern myself with other then using there great knowledge to try to offend me instead of teach. It is no ones Job to be to be a teacher or guide but whats the point in trashing people who have no clue what your even talking about, the offer stands to all of them, ill drop the whole thing and I'm open to hearing what issues you had and willing to correct if I have made a mistake or failed in seeing important information. Still I am not a child, I am a man in evertsense of the word, I will not lower myself to being others entertainment for being pushed to act a way I don't agree with. If I missed something show me your points in a way I can grasp until I learn more ans maybe is even agree, but maybe not. Still as a man, with kids old enough to be here with me I feel no need to act as a kid and make stupid comments on a forum anyone could be on and taking what we say for there own personal benefit, I just wanted to side with the people in the same situation, learn and hopefully clear tho up, wouldn't it be better if things are fine, and just a shit mix up with the tren and var happened, quick fix and move along, keep the source and ingetrty of our members. I am not a rep, just a man with money invested, a draw full of product that until I know foe sure I'm nervous with. I haven't heard anything negative from his test yet any one with a constructive feedback they could share, is there a legit reason I should worry about these rows of test prop I have in abundance I need to worry about" again bought and paid for, not trail or test gear I got for free but my personal money I saved over a period of time to get. That's all I want, my legit gear I paid for, if he is legit that's awesome if not figure where we stand, replacement gear or screeed. I assure you I am all about helping others but my investment is a loss that would be hard to recover from.. Any and all advice welcome, the tren is no good, what about the rest, anyone fell that the test is still good and its isolated to the tren and the winny ness up, and the rest is good? I would love personal experience, it was the reviews here that made me order, then talking with him secured me, but I thout it was just the tren, are there issues anyone is dealing with from the test products, I pain year round for the rest of my life so this is throwing me way of and its gonna be hard to recover, real hard. I didn't want attention, just to contribute to the forum, what else can I do but offer small things, you all know more about this then me.
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Did you notice reviews are only 3 weeks old compared to sources on here that have been proven over a years time?????or did you rush and jump on first thread??? I think you be ok and get your stuff but might want to slow down and read all sources reviews and see where Mods and vets go and see review section with reviews over a 6 to 12 month time frame so you can really make a educated decision....I get it you want it now and you saw his thread.....You prob be ok but just an idea in the future......Make friends first and ask around....
 
I hope so I will go full blast on him on multiple forums.....I think it might of started but he does seem to want to fix things as he should ....this forum has many good folks and a lot more coming
 
I cant speak for anyone else but i didn't pay attention to when reviews started. I was looking for the most recent positive ones. My thinking may have been skewed a bit on that. I hadn't tried to order anything in close to a year so I went with the last guy I used. Mlg, who unbeknownst to me turned into a douche canoe. Just hoping things work out for all involved.
 
I saw lab maxs pass so I got excited and that's why I decided to order from these guys. But you live and learn. I'm hoping hammer will make it right like he's been saying.
 
If memory serves hammer sent out free samples to three guys when he first got here. What happened to the bloods those guys were supposed to do?
 
Damn bros I feel like a dick. I am the one who posted the Lab Maxes. I had just got burnt by a well respect source that had been on meso for 3 yrs and over a 1000 pgs of good reviews. Just my luck when I dropped a G with him he burnt me for half of it and the half that he sent me was garbage. So I saw hammer pop up on 3 boards and saw he had a few good reviews. I also knew that usually when a new source pops up they usually put out some good gear to get their operation off the ground. So I took a leap of faith and used him. When I posted the Lab Max I always make sure to write that this just confirms that the right compound is in the vial and this doesn't show the quality but it still got some of yall to pull the trigger on Hammer. I am truely sorry. We still don't know that his test is garbage though. So there is still hope. I hope it was just his tren. I feel and look great off his testC, but I also had very low T when I started so even some underdosed test would probably make me feel great like I do. I don't think that's the case though. I don't think my #'s will be awsome but I believe they might be acceptable. I am a beast in the gym and have transformed my body. Every 3 weeks on meso and here I have changed my Avi to a recent pic just to show my progress. Anyways I geuss we will see.


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OdieM said:
Damn bros I feel like a dick. I am the one who posted the Lab Maxes. I had just got burnt by a well respect source that had been on meso for 3 yrs and over a 1000 pgs of good reviews. Just my luck when I dropped a G with him he burnt me for half of it and the half that he sent me was garbage. So I saw hammer pop up on 3 boards and saw he had a few good reviews. I also knew that usually when a new source pops up they usually put out some good gear to get their operation off the ground. So I took a leap of faith and used him. When I posted the Lab Max I always make sure to write that this just confirms that the right compound is in the vial and this doesn't show the quality but it still got some of yall to pull the trigger on Hammer. I am truely sorry. We still don't know that his test is garbage though. So there is still hope. I hope it was just his tren. I feel and look great off his testC, but I also had very low T when I started so even some underdosed test would probably make me feel great like I do. I don't think that's the case though. I don't think my #'s will be awsome but I believe they might be acceptable. I am a beast in the gym and have transformed my body. Every 3 weeks on meso and here I have changed my Avi to a recent pic just to show my progress. Anyways I geuss we will see.


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Dude I hear what you're saying but this ain't your fault. Everyone is responsible for doing their own research. Everybody also knows how labMax works. If anybody claims they pulled the trigger solely based on your labMax then they're idiots and It's on them.
 
When I first decided to buy from Hammer I couldn't find a bad post or review. Everything lined up: prices, shipping US domestic, and reviews. I was sold. I'll be getting my gear by next week hopefully. I just hope that the Tren E isn't like the recent posts on the Tren Ace.
 
alex926 said:
I'll labmax the var and keep you guys posted. How much is the test and how long does it typically ship to California?
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Sure you will. I bet you haven't a clue how long it would take your homie to shoot you a vial.
Just wait 2 days and claim express shipping got the gear to you and post your fake results. At this point, the party is over. Pack up, take a couple weeks off and come back with a new lab name.
Here's the part where "alex" curses me and claims to be a regular joe testing for himself and the board. You've already been exposed. You're making yourself and hammer look desperate.
 
?? I'm gonna legit test it and post pics. All I got was 50 tabs to extend a cycle, I just didn't get more for other source cause minimum is 300. I could care less about any labs rep. If it's not legit I'll let it be known you fucking weirdo. I don't benefit from covering any of these ugl asses
 
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