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yeah I'm Tryna figure out what the fuck is going on..so much back and forth bickering it's ridiculous
 
I ordered test sust 250 and dbol from Hammer on Thursday. Now all of this has me a bit concerned, but I was only willing to order, what I was willing to lose. Hopefully this won't be the case and I will definitely keep you informed. The world of gear is new to me and this will only be my second cycle in 48 years of living. But what I find crazy about this is that the same effort someone may put in to cheat or underdose there product, that same effort could be put in to make a good product. Sure, the lab will make money initially but it won't take long before your product is discovered to be bad. So if what you want is longevity in this business, why would anyone put out a bad product?
 
scurry30 said:
If memory serves hammer sent out free samples to three guys when he first got here. What happened to the bloods those guys were supposed to do?
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Even if they going to get bloods it takes 3 to 4 weeks to do that and from what I see reviews only started this month....
 
OdieM said:
Damn bros I feel like a dick. I am the one who posted the Lab Maxes. I had just got burnt by a well respect source that had been on meso for 3 yrs and over a 1000 pgs of good reviews. Just my luck when I dropped a G with him he burnt me for half of it and the half that he sent me was garbage. So I saw hammer pop up on 3 boards and saw he had a few good reviews. I also knew that usually when a new source pops up they usually put out some good gear to get their operation off the ground. So I took a leap of faith and used him. When I posted the Lab Max I always make sure to write that this just confirms that the right compound is in the vial and this doesn't show the quality but it still got some of yall to pull the trigger on Hammer. I am truely sorry. We still don't know that his test is garbage though. So there is still hope. I hope it was just his tren. I feel and look great off his testC, but I also had very low T when I started so even some underdosed test would probably make me feel great like I do. I don't think that's the case though. I don't think my #'s will be awsome but I believe they might be acceptable. I am a beast in the gym and have transformed my body. Every 3 weeks on meso and here I have changed my Avi to a recent pic just to show my progress. Anyways I geuss we will see.


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You can't hold yourself accountable brother, you do a boards and members a service when you post bloods and labmaxs. I pulled the trigger on Hammer before the LabMax and just hope your bloods come back good on his Cyp.
 
alex926 said:
Yeah I don't get where this ben dude came out of flipping in me with his old ass.
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Just a heads up. Ben is one of the most respected members I know on theses boards. He has been on theses boards for over a decade.


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OdieM said:
Well fellas I guess we won't have my lab results till next week. I believe their business hours for the lab are probably up today. :(


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Yea brother, it takes me three to four business days to get mine, and I also get the from on line. Its sucks but the wait is worth it too know for sure where your at with everything.sorry if my typing gettings a bit unreadable, I have my one year old on the weekend and my spell takes over lol, and my attention is never fully there, Friday to Sunday I have my kids, its a mad house lol. I will try to do better, I'm sure anyone with kids knows the feeling, I should start to reread before I post haha
 
Ben looks out for others. He exposes scammers. To me and others, that is a great thing.
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Just a heads up. Ben is one of the most respected members I know on theses boards. He has been on theses boards for over a decade.


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Kimo said:
I ordered test sust 250 and dbol from Hammer on Thursday. Now all of this has me a bit concerned, but I was only willing to order, what I was willing to lose. Hopefully this won't be the case and I will definitely keep you informed. The world of gear is new to me and this will only be my second cycle in 48 years of living. But what I find crazy about this is that the same effort someone may put in to cheat or underdose there product, that same effort could be put in to make a good product. Sure, the lab will make money initially but it won't take long before your product is discovered to be bad. So if what you want is longevity in this business, why would anyone put out a bad product?
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Not in a million yrs do I think Hammer himself is purposely under dosing his vials. Google some of William Llewellyn's studies on underground steroids. The raws themselves are manufactured in facilities that manufacture chemicals and stuff like that. You can find pics online. The places look like a garage or some shit.

The problem is anyone can get raws and brew gear. If you are going to sell the shit at least do some level of quality control. Hammers stuff all passed lab max so we can't accuse him of not going that far. I'm not sure what the answer is. These guys have to do their homework on their raws


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Its always good to know there are people that are there to protect others from getting screwed. Questions have been raised and everyone is really on a edge about things, and this is the point that someone like me has to back up and let the elder memeners on the board do there thing. I have already stated I don't know enough to argue with or for anyone, so please do let them do what they do. I like hammer as a person from the little, very little I know, and that's about all I have to go on, so I'm happy to step aside and let them figure this out, whether its good or bad, it needs to be done I guess. Lab work needs to be done, I get mine done at the end of next week but honestly I don't want to wait that long, I'm nervous about my money at the moment and that's just where I'm at. I'm not saying who is or isnt a scanner, I don't know enough and I'm glad to allow them the freedom to figure this out, and be grateful for it.
 
By no means was I saying that Hammer is doing this intentional. I was making a general statement, but the fact that I am new to this site, doesn't disqualify me from applying common sense to this issue.
 
So I assume you ordered in January?
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I also am new to this board and ordered the Test C and Anadrol. The reviews are so back and forth. I've been waiting to cycle for a minute now. I know my opinion won't hold much water here until I put in the time. For now, I am here to learn.
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Should not take long to feel Anabol if you decide to run it.
MarkDeVito said:
I also am new to this board and ordered the Test C and Anadrol. The reviews are so back and forth. I've been waiting to cycle for a minute now. I know my opinion won't hold much water here until I put in the time. For now, I am here to learn.
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fortitude18 said:
Even if they going to get bloods it takes 3 to 4 weeks to do that and from what I see reviews only started this month....
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He sent out those free samples in December. Three months is enough time to get bloods done. If you'll go to page four or five of this thread or somewhere in that ball park he lists who he sent them to.
 
Damn brother, welcome to fatherhood! Its the most amazing thing in the world period. I have five kids at home and others that have grown and moved out. Money is a huge deal, I did the same thing, I bought enough for five cycles in test and pct. Not a good feeeling that o may have been screwed, that money was not replaceable, security is everything to me, that's why I read so much much and everything from the members said it was good to go so I ordered, I trust the guys here to give me my best shot, and for the most part things have been great. This was my first purchase from hammer and all went well, then this, I'm looking at my prop and signing, and all I have is hope, please just be shit tren that he will fox, the loss of all that money, I saved a long time for it, for the moment I am kicking myself, because i have a great source, but the price was great and I could order large amounts of test, ahhh please hammer, speak up and put us to ease
 
fortitude18 said:
A NEWBIE knucklehead will never know or understand that bro
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Damn get off people's nuts already. That's fine if he's respect cause he's been hanging around here all his life. But if he did it by just talking shit on everyone then I'm nut sure why you guys are all in his dick? He said negative shit simply because I'm going to labmax what I got and show it to you guys lol...
 
I've been lurking this thread since November and I must say this thread has been blown out of proportion. I'm surprised mods haven't enforced that this thread should be sticky for sales and customers. All I've seen for the past 50 pages is everybody fighting with eachother. Not a good look if you want people to respect your opinion
 
pinningdeadd said:
I've been lurking this thread since November and I must say this thread has been blown out of proportion. I'm surprised mods haven't enforced that this thread should be sticky for sales and customers. All I've seen for the past 50 pages is everybody fighting with eachother. Not a good look if you want people to respect your opinion
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Notice it's cause all the long time members negativity, followed by they're fans who like to kiss ass.
 
There's a lot
of negativity, but look at the real culprit. ....underdosed gear. People got burned. People defended products they never tried.When you shell out your hard earned money and it's for nothing, it ttraditionally pisses you off. I'm glad hammer is trying to correct it. We will not know for sure for a while though. QUOTE=alex926;558401]Notice it's cause all the long time members negativity, followed by they're fans who like to kiss ass.[/QUOTE]
 
pcgken said:
There's a lot
of negativity, but look at the real culprit. ....underdosed gear. People got burned. People defended products they never tried.When you shell out your hard earned money and it's for nothing, it ttraditionally pisses you off. I'm glad hammer is trying to correct it. We will not know for sure for a while though. QUOTE=alex926;558401]Notice it's cause all the long time members negativity, followed by they're fans who like to kiss ass.
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True under dosed gear is why this thread created so animosity. Hopefully hammer has been making the effort to replacing these under dosed gear.
 
I just got hammer saying someone posted bloods saying the tren was good to go. I don't get it, that teen was not good, I'm so confused, I'm questioned the forum on the test which so far seems all good, but that teen was not. This sucks, I've been gotten for more but still the money on that teen hurt and the eis no way I will use that vial again, its just not worth it and I'm not gonna chance pinning shit I don't know. Maybe it was differng stuff, and i got the last of the trash but it was trash. I cant claim the rest is but one product is quite enough to scare me off if its claimed to be Ll good when its clearly not. I like hammer but that last batch of teen was not right, the pain and lack of reaching the goals odlf the product are enough for me, so I see no replacements in my future for lost, which sucks big time, hundreds down the drain. I gave the benifit of the doubt, I did, I wanted things to pan out, honestly I did, now back to loss city. Hammer seems straight up but I guess some people have a way to make things happen I don't get. I cant afford a loss like that. Hammer, whatever was told to you, that shit was not tren or at least dosed in a way that matters. Its my lossa of money and my loss in faith in anther guy. I do hope you fix your shit, I doubt its on propose but its not right either way, good luck brother, all o ever wanted was my investment back fto you, two stupid bottles or tren, I would have sent the shit back to you to get tested,its not what you think.
 
richiquick79 said:
I just got hammer saying someone posted bloods saying the tren was good to go. I don't get it, that teen was not good, I'm so confused, I'm questioned the forum on the test which so far seems all good, but that teen was not. This sucks, I've been gotten for more but still the money on that teen hurt and the eis no way I will use that vial again, its just not worth it and I'm not gonna chance pinning shit I don't know. Maybe it was differng stuff, and i got the last of the trash but it was trash. I cant claim the rest is but one product is quite enough to scare me off if its claimed to be Ll good when its clearly not. I like hammer but that last batch of teen was not right, the pain and lack of reaching the goals odlf the product are enough for me, so I see no replacements in my future for lost, which sucks big time, hundreds down the drain. I gave the benifit of the doubt, I did, I wanted things to pan out, honestly I did, now back to loss city. Hammer seems straight up but I guess some people have a way to make things happen I don't get. I cant afford a loss like that. Hammer, whatever was told to you, that shit was not tren or at least dosed in a way that matters. Its my lossa of money and my loss in faith in anther guy. I do hope you fix your shit, I doubt its on propose but its not right either way, good luck brother, all o ever wanted was my investment back fto you, two stupid bottles or tren, I would have sent the shit back to you to get tested,its not what you think.
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What bloods proved tren was g2g? There is not a blood test on earth that tests tren in the blood stream.


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Too many people judge quality of Tren from side effects, this is not good. People react differently to these hormones, which explains the inconsistencies in feedback.. go off results, but give it time. One week is not long enough to judge, even with Tren ace

No bloods will prove Tren is good to go, neither will labmax kits
 
You cannot, agreed. You have to give it a full cycle with an accurate log. If you are doing it correctly, tren is gonna give you results. Assuming again you are doing your part. I've run tren as my favorite for years so I pretty much know what to expect. Just isn't there this time. I know a few others feeling the same. They've been on for several weeks though.
Brewster said:
Too many people judge quality of Tren from side effects, this is not good. People react differently to these hormones, which explains the inconsistencies in feedback.. go off results, but give it time. One week is not long enough to judge, even with Tren ace

No bloods will prove Tren is good to go, neither will labmax kits
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Brewster said:
Too many people judge quality of Tren from side effects, this is not good. People react differently to these hormones, which explains the inconsistencies in feedback.. go off results, but give it time. One week is not long enough to judge, even with Tren ace

No bloods will prove Tren is good to go, neither will labmax kits
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I agree with the second part. Got to give trean a 2 weeks for levels to saturate. That's why I am holding my hammer tren a review

However, if you do tren enough you know how it feels. You can in fact judge it's potency by side effects


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Good tren for me has always made me sweat, messed with my cardio, given me the cough when I Nick a vessel and t is a more violent cough than other compounds, but all accompanied with great strength gains and better body composition. When you have run it several times, you know what to expect.
QUOTE=jackmeoff;558637]I agree with the second part. Got to give trean a 2 weeks for levels to saturate. That's why I am holding my hammer tren a review

However, if you do tren enough you know how it feels. You can in fact judge it's potency by side effects


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alex926 said:
Damn get off people's nuts already. That's fine if he's respect cause he's been hanging around here all his life. But if he did it by just talking shit on everyone then I'm nut sure why you guys are all in his dick? He said negative shit simply because I'm going to labmax what I got and show it to you guys lol...
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Immature punk kid....So obvious
 
Just like many others are saying If you've done tren enough then you know what to look for. No matter what I'm always a night sweater. Maybe to someone who is new they might now know what to look for. Tren is one of the most powerful steriods out there.
Brewster said:
Too many people judge quality of Tren from side effects, this is not good. People react differently to these hormones, which explains the inconsistencies in feedback.. go off results, but give it time. One week is not long enough to judge, even with Tren ace

No bloods will prove Tren is good to go, neither will labmax kits
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The negative feedback just keeps rolling in at Meso. Someone was using 500mg a week of Hammers prop for over 2 weeks and didn't have "that on feeling".

Its interesting how Hammer embraces positive feedback as proof that his product are legit but when it comes to the negative, he needs proof in the form of testing. Good stuff.
 
I've been on hammer gear since Feb 10...500mg cyp 400 mast e...I'm now up 10 lbs...strength coming on and hardness is pretty crazy...cardio has taken a hit but I'm seeing a bit of breakdown in my gyno tissue and I'm noticing a bit of hair shed so I think the mast is real.

If hammer was being selective then I got the good end of the deal cuz I am ON.

I want to believe it was a bad batch of raws for the tren ace guys.
 
insertnamehere said:
The negative feedback just keeps rolling in at Meso. Someone was using 500mg a week of Hammers prop for over 2 weeks and didn't have "that on feeling".

Its interesting how Hammer embraces positive feedback as proof that his product are legit but when it comes to the negative, he needs proof in the form of testing. Good stuff.
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Well its understandable if someone wanted to accuse the test of being bunk they would have to provide bloods to prove their accusation correct? I don't think it's as simple as writing a post and saying it sucks
 
Good morning brothers, newb question for the vets: How long should I wait before I take my first on-cycle bloods on Hammer's test prop?

I started my first cycle of gear on Feb 17th (2 weeks ago tomorrow). I bought 2 vials of test prop, arimidex, and Cialis.

Here's my cycle:
60mg of Test-Prop EOD (started as 50mg EOD)
10mg LGD-4033 ED
20mg GW-501516 ED
Arimidex .66mg once a week
-I've also kept a detailed dosing log on excel
 
pinningdeadd said:
Well its understandable if someone wanted to accuse the test of being bunk they would have to provide bloods to prove their accusation correct? I don't think it's as simple as writing a post and saying it sucks
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You missed the point. Hammer requiring proof in the form of testing is comical considering he claimed all of his products are exactly what the label says, the var is var, etc, etc.

Where's Hammers proof? He never provided any. The burden of proof should have been on him since day one, not his customers.
 
SteveSwat said:
I've been on hammer gear since Feb 10...500mg cyp 400 mast e...I'm now up 10 lbs...strength coming on and hardness is pretty crazy...cardio has taken a hit but I'm seeing a bit of breakdown in my gyno tissue and I'm noticing a bit of hair shed so I think the mast is real.

If hammer was being selective then I got the good end of the deal cuz I am ON.

I want to believe it was a bad batch of raws for the tren ace guys.
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10# in 3 weeks if that. No fucking way bro. No fucking way. You either have a crappy diet and have gained quite a bit of fat. Or you are water gain city because of no ai support. It is just not possible to add ten pounds in 18 days on cypionate. Unless you are running over a gram or more a week. No effing way.
 
pinningdeadd said:
Well its understandable if someone wanted to accuse the test of being bunk they would have to provide bloods to prove their accusation correct? I don't think it's as simple as writing a post and saying it sucks
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Look man. I've been around the block enough and I have seen "successful" labs start up. Not always, but most of the time the person starting up the lab is familiar with the product- being he himself and his friends have some data on it.

I personally don't questions labs business, and give them the benefit of the doubt that all those initial quality control measures took place. I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation. do you? And I'll be honest, I am easy to please. I am well aware of the dynamics with China raws. My expectation isn't even pharma quality (it would be nice) but when you have 5 guys running near a gram of tren ace per week without side effects, and you yourself are complete unaware, something smells funny.
 
Blood work is in and it's not bad IMO. I'm on my phone so give me 30 mins and I will post them.


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jackmeoff said:
Look man. I've been around the block enough and I have seen "successful" labs start up. Not always, but most of the time the person starting up the lab is familiar with the product- being he himself and his friends have some data on it.

I personally don't questions labs business, and give them the benefit of the doubt that all those initial quality control measures took place. I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation. do you? And I'll be honest, I am easy to please. I am well aware of the dynamics with China raws. My expectation isn't even pharma quality (it would be nice) but when you have 5 guys running near a gram of tren ace per week without side effects, and you yourself are complete unaware, something smells funny.
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Why? I'm truly interested in why you don't question UGLs and give them the benefit of the doubt.

I can see not doing it to the established labs that have a history but new labs have nothing but their word and usually end up screwing people over.
 
OdieM said:
You know I will bro. Test looks good but my estro is the highest I have ever seen. I will need the vets to chime in there.


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I'll see if I can offer any advice after you post up the labs and protocol. Thanks Odie.
 
I don't anyone actually wants to think hammer shit on them on purpose but it can't be ignored that if one product turns up bad, the rest are gonna come into question as well. Its a perfectly normal way to feel, trust me because as much as I want to believe it was just a bad batch of tren my mind still calls everything into question. There are people here that know hammer longer and may have a better idea of what we are dealing with but I don't see anything wrong with being concerned, maybe i am biased because I invested but I think its perfectly normal to feel like you want proof your stuff is what you were told it was.
 
I've got other things that are high to. Not sure what they mean. I'm in the process of posting on Meso and will post here right after


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krazieone56 said:
10# in 3 weeks if that. No fucking way bro. No fucking way. You either have a crappy diet and have gained quite a bit of fat. Or you are water gain city because of no ai support. It is just not possible to add ten pounds in 18 days on cypionate. Unless you are running over a gram or more a week. No effing way.
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I didn't say 10 lean lbs...I've been eating healthy surplus cals and my ai just got to me in the mail today so you called that spot on my friend. Started at 215 and I'm at 225 today. Also I haven't been on aas for 3 years so I may be responding on fresh receptors.
 
These bloods are bangin.

Looks like Hammer does hit like a Hammer.

C'mon hammer get your tren together! Why u do this to us tren junkies?


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I had my doubts after the tren but damn I could hug you Hammer. Thank you


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I just got an order of dbol from hammer today. The pills are normally pink, but these are yellow in color with no markings. Has anyone used or seen yellow dbol.
 
Thank you, I only wanted to run 30Mg of the dbol and his pill comes in 25mg, so I might try 50 to start off to see how I feel. If it is to much, I will step it down to the one pill at 25mg.
 
SteveSwat said:
I didn't say 10 lean lbs...I've been eating healthy surplus cals and my ai just got to me in the mail today so you called that spot on my friend. Started at 215 and I'm at 225 today. Also I haven't been on aas for 3 years so I may be responding on fresh receptors.
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I would probly concede u may have gained 2# of actual keepable muscle and the rest is water
 
SteveSwat said:
I've been on hammer gear since Feb 10...500mg cyp 400 mast e...I'm now up 10 lbs...strength coming on and hardness is pretty crazy...cardio has taken a hit but I'm seeing a bit of breakdown in my gyno tissue and I'm noticing a bit of hair shed so I think the mast is real.

If hammer was being selective then I got the good end of the deal cuz I am ON.

I want to believe it was a bad batch of raws for the tren ace guys.
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Thank you for the feedback brother.
 
maybe an hour of sleep last night... drinched three towels... the tren ace. is fire.. now i need more supps gor rid the sides thanks hammer.. ill be hittin you up soon.
 
Has anybody tried, or is anybody on the deca, was wanting to place an order but still wondering it might not be dosed high enough.
 
So I guess no one has tried deca from hammer everyone is on the tren very hard to order with no feed back on deca
 
I am anxious to see, I just received my order of Sust 250, TEst E, and TREN E... I ordered last Tuesday and my package arrived today! Shipping was fast as fuck, my wife brought the mail in and didn't even ask what it was. Thanks Hammmer! Now I am curious as to what Odie's blood work says, since the subject of debate has been Tren. I must have missed his post. anyone know what page its on?
 
Green Machine said:
I am anxious to see, I just received my order of Sust 250, TEst E, and TREN E... I ordered last Tuesday and my package arrived today! Shipping was fast as fuck, my wife brought the mail in and didn't even ask what it was. Thanks Hammmer! Now I am curious as to what Odie's blood work says, since the subject of debate has been Tren. I must have missed his post. anyone know what page its on?
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He made a new thread posting the bloods
 
Green Machine said:
I just caught up here, I did see it. Sounds like Odie is pleased with his gear now!
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Yep I am very happy and surprised with my results. Hammer has replaced my tren that I said was weak, even though I won't be using it and it may not be to my liking he did what he could. So yeah I am a satisfied customer.

I still urge ALL members to get bloods done. Its important for so many reasons. We shouldn't let my bloods alone be the deciding factor for Hammer, he is still new and has a lot to prove.


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