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Well its been about 6 min. 50 ml has passed thru. I'm probly being conservative. Because I saw a little stress crack at the bottom so I backed it off. Don't want to blow out the receiver. But its a steady drip.

KRAZIEONE
 
I'm pretty sure That stress crack is From the eo eating the plastic if you're still using the same filter... That's why my filter did
 
No diff filter. Its a tiny crack. Less than a 1/4". I have heard if u throw too much pressure at them they can crack from too much vaccum. It is still same. And dropping is pretty steady.

KRAZIEONE
 
The crack is at the bottom. Where the little seal mark is from when they form these. Its holding and havnt seen an issue. And its a steady drip. Almost done took about ten min.

KRAZIEONE
 
That's good news... My mixture was 50/50 eo gso also.. Pre filter the color of the brew was pretty light once it went through the filter it was clear till the bottom of the receiver started to look like it was cracking then it turned and dark gold color looked like I poured piss in it lol
 
Yeah brother that looks pretty close to the batch I threw out.. Sorry I wish I would've takin a picture of it to help out more... Here's a pic of the 10ml I filtered through a syringe prior to switching over to bottle top if it helps out ..
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All in all. It took about ten min to filter. That may be conservative. But I was being extra various because of the other fiasco. But I think I could have bumped up the pressure just a little and it would be more like 5 min. But no problems no issues and NO I didn't rinse anything. Its in the trash

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Maybe I did something wrong then cause it was my first attempt lol... My 10ml looks really light compared to yours.. Glad it worked out for you
 
I have never really seen the color change all that much when filtering. A little but not drastic like that. Maybe it looks lighter cause its ten ml vs 50ml in one bottle

KRAZIEONE
 
Definatly learned some stuff through all this. I thought I was pretty good at it. Well, I'm good at making my blends and mixes. But I always hated filtering with a syringe. But now that I got this down its a great process.

KRAZIEONE
 
nsnmatty said:
DD can we get a break down of your process. I'd like to learn how to better my process and learn as much as I can.

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Yes please do a write up on your process Devildog, we are all very ready to learn your technique.


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There's a 10. Idk not looks good to me. I do know the gso I had was super dark to begin with. Maybe its the brand.

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Nice brother.. Yeah that looks way lighter then my botched attempt... My 10ml came out very light, you think that may have anything to do with potency maybe I under dosed it? I used 25g of raw, and once everything was said and done I was right on the 100ml mark..
 
Well just using that it shud b 250mg potency. How much gso was a part of that 100ml. And did u take into acct displacement of powder. 10grams is equal to 10ml.

KRAZIEONE
 
So you use a beaker right. With ml lines and blah blah blah. And when heating it was at 100ml. So ya it should be 250mg potency.

KRAZIEONE
 
So this is what I do. Equation wise before I bust out any chemicals. That way you know your potency. Let's say you want to brew test cyp at 200mg and make 100ml of it.

So 20 grams is 20,000 mg. Into 100 ml is 200mg per ml. Everybody knows that. Duh. OK.

So 20 grams is 20ml. I usually do 3% ba so that would be 3ml then I do bb 15% 15 ml. So I add all that up its 38ml. I subtract that from 100. 62 ml remaining. Now you could either do 62 ml of one carrier or split it up whatever u want to do. And that's ur 100ml and you know the potency is right. No wondering .

KRAZIEONE
 
Now I have heard people say u don't need bb at such a low potency but I have had it get cloudy before like it almost wants to crash so I do it anyway. It doesn't hurt anything and do sent change the potency.

KRAZIEONE
 
Thanks for the formula bro I really appreciate it... I was going off of bass killers
Calculator I didn't know a exact formal... I will def write this down in my composition book
 
Yeah im going to do a couple with just gso till I'm more familiar with it... After that ill experiment a bit more
 
You can use it for blends too. Like 10 grams eq and 20 grams masteron. So 10,000mg of eq 20,000 grams mast. Into whatever amount of fi wished product. So if it was 100ml that's 100mgof eq and 200mg of mast in every ml with a potency of 300mg total.

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As long as you account for the displacement of your powder you will never have to wonder about potency. It will always be spot on

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Thanks for taking the time to help me out bro... Once i pin this brew a few times and make sure this batch comes out good ill shot you a vial if you're interested
 
Yeah that sounds good to me... Let me get this post count up to 50 so I can send some pm's and will def swap some.. Hahahaha... Mind on my money and money on my mind
 
krazieone56 said:
As long as you account for the displacement of your powder you will never have to wonder about potency. It will always be spot on

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I dont see where you are actually taking into account the displacement for the compound. Even if you were using the default 0.85, which it doesnt appear you are, it will differ. That wont mean a lot in small amounts, but if you want to be more accurate, especially if teaching it to someone, you should make that clear.

Also I disagree with just making the blanket statement of using 15% BB because it wont hurt. First off if an IM injectable compound can be made with less chemicals in my opinion it would be ideal. Also there should be more caution when just repeating things read about in forums, especially if they are incorrect.

Also not knowing why a specific compound will or will not hold at a certain ratio is a sign of lack of education or laziness. Just because you brewed it once and it looked a bit cloudy, or appeared that it would crash does not mean that it was low BB. It could have been your process, dirty equipment, a bad batch, etc. one of many things.

This is where keeping a log of each brew can be extremely valuable. Remember this should is science and should be approached as such and given respect since it is going to be introduced into the human body.

Below I posted an excerpt from a study on BB.

Im not trying to be an ass or anything, and everybody is entitled to do things as they see best, but if someone is attempting to educate another new or inexperienced member, then I say we have the RESPONSIBILITY to educate them with the correct information. This forum is missing a higher level of responsibility to learning the correct and proper way to do things.

Just an opinion and I have no intention of offending anyone, I just think tis the correct thing to say.

BB-

Benzyl Benzoate

Groups of adult C57BL/6J mice (5 per group) were injected s.c. with 0.1 ml benzyl benzoate (~111 mg) daily for 4
weeks. An untreated group of sham injected animals served as the untreated concurrent control group. The adrenal glands
were prepared for light and electron microscopic examination. The animals died within 3 h of initial injection. Additional
study details were not provided.

Guinea pigs (number not stated) received single s.c. injections of benzyl benzoate, and mortality rates at the
administered doses were as follows: 0 (0.5 g/kg), 30% (1 g/kg), 80% (5 g/kg), 100% (10 g/kg), and 100% (20 g/kg)

Acute Intramuscular Toxicity
Benzyl Benzoate
Following benzyl benzoate intramuscular injection into cats (number not stated) i.m., doses of 2 and 10 g/kg were
described as lethal.

Postel, E. Benzyl benzoate, a component of Peru balsam. Klinische Wochenschrift. 1943;22:362‐364.
 
Yes u r right on the bb. It was the first time ever brewing when it kinda crashed so maybe I got in a habit. But I don't always use bb but with cyp I have. Mostly cause I usually make a higher dosed cyp. So I figured y not use it.

KRAZIEONE
 
I'm not understanding what ur saying about how I didn't show the account for displacement. Its right there in the equation post.

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mh48500 said:
I dont see where you are actually taking into account the displacement for the compound. Even if you were using the default 0.85, which it doesnt appear you are, it will differ. That wont mean a lot in small amounts, but if you want to be more accurate, especially if teaching it to someone, you should make that clear.

Also I disagree with just making the blanket statement of using 15% BB because it wont hurt. First off if an IM injectable compound can be made with less chemicals in my opinion it would be ideal. Also there should be more caution when just repeating things read about in forums, especially if they are incorrect.

Also not knowing why a specific compound will or will not hold at a certain ratio is a sign of lack of education or laziness. Just because you brewed it once and it looked a bit cloudy, or appeared that it would crash does not mean that it was low BB. It could have been your process, dirty equipment, a bad batch, etc. one of many things.

This is where keeping a log of each brew can be extremely valuable. Remember this should is science and should be approached as such and given respect since it is going to be introduced into the human body.

Below I posted an excerpt from a study on BB.

Im not trying to be an ass or anything, and everybody is entitled to do things as they see best, but if someone is attempting to educate another new or inexperienced member, then I say we have the RESPONSIBILITY to educate them with the correct information. This forum is missing a higher level of responsibility to learning the correct and proper way to do things.

Just an opinion and I have no intention of offending anyone, I just think tis the correct thing to say.

BB-

Benzyl Benzoate

Groups of adult C57BL/6J mice (5 per group) were injected s.c. with 0.1 ml benzyl benzoate (~111 mg) daily for 4
weeks. An untreated group of sham injected animals served as the untreated concurrent control group. The adrenal glands
were prepared for light and electron microscopic examination. The animals died within 3 h of initial injection. Additional
study details were not provided.

Guinea pigs (number not stated) received single s.c. injections of benzyl benzoate, and mortality rates at the
administered doses were as follows: 0 (0.5 g/kg), 30% (1 g/kg), 80% (5 g/kg), 100% (10 g/kg), and 100% (20 g/kg)

Acute Intramuscular Toxicity
Benzyl Benzoate
Following benzyl benzoate intramuscular injection into cats (number not stated) i.m., doses of 2 and 10 g/kg were
described as lethal.

Postel, E. Benzyl benzoate, a component of Peru balsam. Klinische Wochenschrift. 1943;22:362‐364.
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Very true mh and that's an interesting study on bb I haven't seen that before


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Each powder displaces at a different weight. In the powder calculator they use a default, for simplicity 0.85, but you can get more exact and put each individuals powder displacement.

Sorry guys gotta bounce from the office, I will try nad get back in later.
 
OK well according to a conversion site I use for a lot of conversions 1 gram is 1ml of displacement. Which is what I use. So between the two ur talking .015 difference in numbers. So even in a large batch you talking a difference of 5 mg in potency numbers. If that?

KRAZIEONE
 
Every cyp recipe I have seen calls for bb. If there is one out there that doesn't need it I would love to have it. Lol. Less chems equals less cost.

KRAZIEONE
 
krazieone56 said:
What was the mortality rate in humans?

KRAZIEONE
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They wouldent pump that kind of volume/body weight into a human for testing and we don't use anywhere near the amount it would take to kill a human but these small scale tests give a good indication as to what a certain chemicals effects on the human body could be


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bobsyouruncle said:
They wouldent pump that kind of volume/body weight into a human for testing and we don't use anywhere near the amount it would take to kill a human but these small scale tests give a good indication as to what a certain chemicals effects on the human body could be


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True but us said for example 30% mortality for 1g of bb. Is that 1g all at once and 30% died? Because if say, you consume 1g of bb over time will it have the same affect on humans is what I'm asking. Health wise. Continued exposure.

KRAZIEONE
 
Like a guy who is on a gram of gear a week. So that's pretty much a bottle a week or so depending on potency of solution. So if he is doing that over tens years of use he would have to be near a gram of bb consumption.

KRAZIEONE
 
Unfortunately it isn't that descriptive but I would have to imagine it was a one time injection that's the only way I could see it causing such a dramatic effect oftentimes these tests are biased in one way or another and whoever is performing the tests can easily leave some pertinent information out but who knows?


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True very true. Well I just went and looked at every recipe I have from Winny to test cyp p and e eq DECA etc. They all call for bb. Have I just gotten them from the wrong place or places?

KRAZIEONE
 
Apparently maybe if we had a section for recipes only I would post all of mine you could post yours we could all share everything and compare but if I shared all of mine it would eat up a couple pages and it would get lost right away as of right now when it comes up I share what I have


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Hahahaha... I'm definitely have a brew at that bar... My bad you may get it a couple more time bro it kept saying your inbox is full lol sorry
 
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