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I would run straight through, and in fact, that is exactly what I'm doing right now.

CJC-1295 w/o Dac and Mod GRF 1-29 are the same thing.
We have both names there as many people still look for "CJC-1295 w/o DAC" which is the improper name of Mod GRF 1-29, but it's listed like that on the site out of convenience so people can find what there looking for.

Bump, I asked the same thing bro, if it's w/o dac is shouldn't actually be considered cjc. they do it because most magazines talk about ghrh using cjc as an example. problem w standard cjc is because of the extended release the gland doesn't build back up for it's natty release. for muscle gain take your ghrh/ghrp at waking, in the middle of your day and at bed. this is when your body spikes natty gh and this is when you want to hit it. also you need to fast for 90 min prior and 90 min post. run it 7 days a week. the 5/2 w hgh is because it's synthetic. it's to let receptors heal in lay man. ghrh acts on natty as long as you don't boom dose which is a waste of money your fine.
 
Bump, I asked the same thing bro, if it's w/o dac is shouldn't actually be considered cjc. they do it because most magazines talk about ghrh using cjc as an example. problem w standard cjc is because of the extended release the gland doesn't build back up for it's natty release. for muscle gain take your ghrh/ghrp at waking, in the middle of your day and at bed. this is when your body spikes natty gh and this is when you want to hit it. also you need to fast for 90 min prior and 90 min post. run it 7 days a week. the 5/2 w hgh is because it's synthetic. it's to let receptors heal in lay man. ghrh acts on natty as long as you don't boom dose which is a waste of money your fine.

Glad you mentioned that because I thought Frag was the only one that you really needed to fast before dosing. I appreciate the info. Well i'll give it a shot... 12 weeks straight. I'm mostly concerned about healing but hey i'll be happy if I lean out or gain a little muscle. Should I pin as close as I can to the sore joint? Or does it just need to be in the general area? For example knees... should I pin 50mcg in each knee(close to the joint) 3x per day?
 
Glad you mentioned that because I thought Frag was the only one that you really needed to fast before dosing. I appreciate the info. Well i'll give it a shot... 12 weeks straight. I'm mostly concerned about healing but hey i'll be happy if I lean out or gain a little muscle. Should I pin as close as I can to the sore joint? Or does it just need to be in the general area? For example knees... should I pin 50mcg in each knee(close to the joint) 3x per day?

Pin as close as possible. :)
 
if your going for healing just dose at night, and sub q, local doesn't matter that's not how gh works, I'd suggest adding mgfpeg for localized healing, I got igf before I did enough research so I'll be using both but mgf is much cheaper I believe and more site specific, I'm still researching dosage protocols so hit me up when your ready and I'll tell you what I'm running. also read up on all of Russian Stars threads, he's the guy that really got me started properly.
 
if your going for healing just dose at night, and sub q, local doesn't matter that's not how gh works, I'd suggest adding mgfpeg for localized healing, I got igf before I did enough research so I'll be using both but mgf is much cheaper I believe and more site specific, I'm still researching dosage protocols so hit me up when your ready and I'll tell you what I'm running. also read up on all of Russian Stars threads, he's the guy that really got me started properly.

This is a quote from RS's Ipamorelin thread:
I used 100mcg 3 times a day, i used it exactly as GHRP-6 in my experiences thread... i used it injected directly in to joints and areas that i have damaged and found over just a 2 week period a massive amount of improvement, in particular in my elbow where i was suffering from a strained ligament.. the pain subsided totaly and full strength returned within 4 weeks.. this was after it hurting on and off for over 3 months. The pain has never returned
 
Here's another great post by the professor on Localized GHRP injections.

Im posting this here as i posted it on EF

The reason why GHRP-s have a local affect on the healing of wounds is because they have an interaction with the hypothalamus, anterior pituitary, and renal pelvis GHRP receptor mRNA, most predominantly in the arcuate nucleus and ventromedial hypothalamus, what that means here is GHRP's stimulate GH release through the normal mechanism, and the corresponding GH pulse acts on the various cells that respond to GH, in this thread we are focused on the cells attached to collagen, GH secretagogue receptors are found everywhere on the human body.. what is interesting is that where injections of GHRP's are made these receptors are more heavily populated, thus the localised affects on injurys that many have seen.. Smaller doses are better for this as it doesnt seem to matter how much GHRP is injected only a certain amount of receptor activity can be seen.
This is through a lot of study and a lot of research i have come to this conclusion.

Of all the GHRP's Hexarelin has the strongest affect on stimulating the GHSR in a localised "site injection area
 
everything I do started w RS. originally I was injecting in my knee, but I've done days of reading and the healing from ghrh/ghrp is activated through gh release through the gland, i can't post threads right now but you'll find it the same in every med pub. igf has moderate and mgf has great local effect, I may be wrong i'm not a doctor but this is everything I found, if you find otherwise hit me up and I'll be shooting it back in my knee before I'm done typing thank you !!
 
everything I do started w RS. originally I was injecting in my knee, but I've done days of reading and the healing from ghrh/ghrp is activated through gh release through the gland, i can't post threads right now but you'll find it the same in every med pub. igf has moderate and mgf has great local effect, I may be wrong i'm not a doctor but this is everything I found, if you find otherwise hit me up and I'll be shooting it back in my knee before I'm done typing thank you !!

Good stuff. When it comes down to it, it's whats working for you that really matters and whats not working for you.

I'm sure RS can chime in with some references.

I would have to agree with you though on IGF and MGF being preferred for local healing.
 
What would you say standard dosing protocol for GHRP-6 + CJC1295 would be optimal?
 
read above posts bro, you can also do your own research on google, ve been very surprised the past few wks on all the great info out there on peptides, just type the specific keywords in your question and look for medical publications. saturation dose for cjc and ghrp unless your over 200lbs is 100/100. if dosing ipa I know you can boom dose to the point you completely empty the gh. the greater you dose the 6 the larger ghrelin release you'll create so have healthy food around.

I'm not being a dicck when I say this and it's not directed to anyone it's in general,,

Asking questions is cool, but if you don't take the time to read the related threads eventually your gonna piss ppl off. if you look at the stickys in the top of the anabolic section Russian Star put a lot of time and energy into logging his cycles of all the above ghrh/ghrps and many others.

Go read those and the above posts and then ask questions!! I promise you the more time you put into researching the better you'll be prepaired and the more you'll get out of your peptides. there's more to it then just buying it and injecting it.

a great addition that would make another great sticky is the peptide calculator I'll post it up for everyone.
 
I've been injecting GHRP-6 into a shoulder that's been nagging me for some time. It's weird, after the injection my shoulder gets sore. It feels like a workout sore, but localized to the spot with the injury. Overall, the constant stabbing pain is gone. It still hurts a little with overuse, but in 4 weeks it's gotten MUCH better.
 
ACE-031 is a novel, muscle-building agent that is being developed for the treatment of patients with Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy with the goal of improving strength and preserving physical function.

What is ACE-031?

ACE-031 is an investigational protein therapeutic that builds muscle and increases strength by inhibiting molecules that bind to and signal through a cell surface receptor called Activin Receptor Type IIB (ActRIIB). ACE-031 is a recombinant fusion protein that is produced by joining a portion of the human ActRIIB receptor to a portion of a human antibody. This creates a freely circulating, decoy version of ActRIIB which removes proteins, such as GDF-8 (myostatin) and other related molecules that limit the growth and strength of muscle.
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The Role of ActRIIB Signaling and Muscle Growth

Muscle growth is regulated by proteins in the TGF-β protein superfamily that serve as “on” or “off” switches for muscle production. Several molecules including GDF-8 interact with the ActRIIB receptor and send an “off” signal to stop muscle production. In the absence of these “off” switch molecules that signal through the ActRIIB receptor, muscle mass increases dramatically.

Decreased ActRIIB Signaling Results in Muscle Growth
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In nature, this effect has been observed in numerous species, particularly in animals that have been bred for increased musculature and strength. For example, Belgian Blue cattle lack the gene for GDF-8, which is one of several molecules that activate the ActRIIB receptor. A deficiency of this protein results in cattle with tremendously developed musculature and strength. Similar effects have been observed in other species, including rodents, dogs and even humans.

Treatment with ACE-031 Builds Skeletal Muscle

Treatment with ACE-031 promotes muscle growth by inhibiting ActRIIB signaling. ACE-031 binds to proteins that signal through the ActRIIB receptor to limit muscle growth. When ACE-031 binds to these proteins, it prevents them from interacting with the ActRIIB receptor, thus allowing muscle to grow. Moreover, because ACE-031 prevents GDF-8 and other proteins that regulate muscle mass from signaling through the ActRIIB receptor, its effects on lean muscle exceed those of inhibitors of GDF-8 (myostatin) alone.

Non-Clinical Results:

When animals are treated with ACE-031, they experience growth in lean muscle and are considerably stronger than their untreated counterparts. This has been shown in several species, and in both healthy animals and in animals with diseases associated with muscle weakness and wasting.

Clinical Results:

Single Ascending Dose Phase 1 Study - Acceleron completed a clinical study of ACE-031 (A031-01) in 48 healthy postmenopausal women. These subjects received a single dose of ACE-031 across a range of dose levels. For a description of the study design, click here. For the poster presentation of the study results click here and click here for the accompanying press release.

At higher doses, the effects of ACE-031 on skeletal muscle were encouraging. After a single dose of ACE-031, subjects developed roughly 1 kilogram (over 2 pounds) of muscle at 2 weeks. Moreover, ACE-031 altered biomarkers of fat metabolism (increased adiponectin and decreased leptin) and bone formation and resorption (increased BSAP and decreased CTX) at single doses of 1 and 3 mg/kg.

ACE-031 was generally well-tolerated at all dose levels. No serious adverse events were observed. The majority of adverse events were mild and transient.

Multiple Ascending Dose Phase 1 Study - A study in healthy postmenopausal women (A031-02), evaluating multiple doses of ACE-031, is currently ongoing. For more information on the study design, click here. Acceleron has presented preliminary results from this study. Click here for the poster presentation of these results and click here for the accompanying press release. As this study is not complete, final results are not yet available.

A031-02 randomized 60 subjects in 6 cohorts of 10 subjects each to receive ACE-031 or placebo (8:2) at dose levels ranging from 0.1 to 3 mg/kg given by SC injection every two or four weeks for a total of three or two doses, respectively, over a four week period. Subjects were followed for 12 weeks after their last dose. Although this safety study was not powered to assess statistically significant changes in endpoints, multiple exploratory statistical analyses were performed on the data.

Consistent with the findings of the single dose study (A031-01), multiple doses of ACE-031 given to healthy postmenopausal women were generally well tolerated and resulted in rapid and sustained effects on muscle, bone and fat. The most common adverse events were injection site reactions, headache and nosebleeds. The majority of adverse events were mild and transient. ACE-031 had a half-life of approximately 12 days, supportive of dosing every 2-4 weeks.

Mean total body lean mass measured by DXA at day 36 increased by 5.2% from baseline in the group receiving ACE-031 at 1 mg/kg every 2 weeks. This was statistically significant compared to the 0.4% increase in the placebo group (p=0.008) and was sustained through day 57. Significant increases were also seen at doses of 2 and 3 mg/kg every 4 weeks.

Mean thigh muscle volume measured by MRI at day 36 increased by 4.1% from baseline in the group receiving ACE-031 at 1 mg/kg every 2 weeks compared to 1.1% in the placebo group (p=0.012). Significant increases were also seen at 2 mg/kg given every 4 weeks. No statistically significant changes were observed in grip strength or functional tests in this healthy volunteer safety study.

Total Whole Body Lean Body Mass (DXA)
% Change (Mean +/- SE)

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Thigh Muscle Volume (MRI)
% Change (Mean +/- SE)

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ACE-031 treatment led to a rapid and significant increase in a biomarker of bone formation (BSAP) and decrease in a biomarker of bone resorption (CTX) versus placebo. Consistent with these effects, lumbar spine bone mineral density by DXA increased up to 3.4% in the 2 mg/kg every 4 week group from baseline to day 113, compared with a decrease of 1.5% in the placebo group (p=0.001).

ACE-031 treatment also led to significantly altered biomarkers of fat metabolism (increased adiponectin and decreased leptin) by day 8. Total body fat mass measured by DXA decreased up to 8.2% from baseline at day 113 in the 3 mg/kg every 4 week group compared with an increase of 0.5% in the placebo group (p=0.024).
Acceleron is developing ACE-031 for the treatment of patients with neuromuscular diseases, such as Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy (DMD), with the goal of improving strength and preserving physical function. By affecting the muscle directly, ACE-031 may one day offer hope to patients suffering from these debilitating diseases.

References

A mutation in the myostatin gene increases muscle mass and enhances racing performance in heterozygote dogs, Mosher DS et al. PLoS Genet 3(5): e79, 2007.

Regulation of muscle growth by multiple ligands signaling through activin type II receptors, Lee SJ et. al., PNAS 102:18117-18122, 2005.

Inhibition of myostatin in adult mice increases skeletal muscle mass and strength, Whittemore LA et al., Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2003 Jan 24;300(4):965-71.

Regulation of myostatin activity and muscle growth, Lee SJ et. al., PNAS, 98:9306-9311, 2001.
 
that's awesome stuff bro, you know what I'm truelly interested in, k here we go

So PH and AAS make you stronger, not to many focus on tendon or ligiment strengthening. so for those of us that use the above and lift excessive weight that causes joint damage is a failing process, this is why I've really rolled into strictly using peptides for the gh qualities and w that began gymnastic training to focus on FUNCTIONAL muscle. I've gotten incredibly stronger and leaner while building lean muscle and burning fat. I was really hoping for better reviews on foli and myo blockers and I can't weight for something that provides local effects like mgf to be modified to where were able to have better results on healing old injuries, this is why I posted up about adequan and how clinicals on animals are showing the possability to regrow soft tissue and cartilage!!
 
I know everyone praises the effects of Peptides while they are on them... But do you feel much different when you get off of them? As far as muscle hardness, or does the fat immediately come back, or does the healing eventually diminish?
 
I know everyone praises the effects of Peptides while they are on them... But do you feel much different when you get off of them? As far as muscle hardness, or does the fat immediately come back, or does the healing eventually diminish?

peptides as mentioned above help your own body product GH at optimal levels much as when we were in our early 20's thus allowing for optimal recovery and performance..

when peptides are stopped, our bodies return to the age directed levels of performance.. GH wise anyway.. the effects, on skin, joints, and muscle stay as they are at the end of the GH cycle..
 
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