Planning cycle would love some extra wisdom along the journey!

[LDizzle92]

Hey guys,

So I’m looking into kicking off a cycle in May/June over Winter. I haven’t touched anything but test (3 years ago) and even then I ran 1.5ml of test e for 14 weeks and yielded good results for what I wanted out of it.

I’m 31, work as a concreter and train 5-6 days a week (usually programs by Ben Pakulski) as I pride myself on a lot of time under tension training (3-4 second negatives) as feel like I respond quite well to that kind of training and it keeps me injury free for work/sport.

On 3000 cals roughly at the moment (have been for some time) and that’s practically my maintenance as I’m quite active through work, gym and play touch football.

I am looking to do a “proper” bulk for the first time as I’ve been training for years but have never really gotten comfortable with trying to out quality mass on as I’m naturally quite lean. I was always the skinny kid growing up and weighed 60kgs when I was 20 years old.

I now weigh 82kgs at 5”10 (around 11-12% body fat) and without focussing on the scales I am prepared to do a solid bulk to really try add some density on without being anxious about getting that extra fluff that I know comes with it.


I have been researching for a long while now and I have been collecting gear waiting for the time. There’s so many mixed opinions out there online so it can make it quite difficult to get a clear cut plan when I haven’t experimented with many substances.

I was pretty keen on the idea of test & NPP together but I would like some opinions from people who I know have actually trialled a lot of stuff first hand like a lot of you probably have.

Really interested in what Primo and HGH offer and would love to experiment with them at some point also. But also there’s mixed opinions about when to do Primo with goals in mind. Would love some intel on that. I’m more than willing to do multiples compounds in lowerish doses but also open to suggestions.

Personally I think I am quite sensitive to gear as even when I did that 1.5ml a week of test E 250 a while back (split into two doses of .75ml eod) I got really sensitive nipples (predominately in my left one) and it wasn’t in my head it was legitimately very sore and hard all the time. I ended up lowering my dose to 1ml a week and it went away pretty quickly. I was considering adding in an AI during the cycle to keep on top of that but from what I’ve read, they can cause issues in their own right so I see some advice stating that if you can find a way to not use them it can be a good thing.

Planning on getting blood work before I start, during and then also after but I am also open to possibly doing this blast and then committing to TRT going forward as my last blood work I got about a year ago showed my test levels at the bottom of average range.

Any information/advice would be appreciated a lot as I think I have a fairly okay idea of what’s what by the books but I don’t have any hands on/actual experimental knowledge which I know is the ultimate form of education with how you respond etc.

Sorry for the long post guys! Much love

 

[Flawlessz]

Looks like you’ve put some thought into this. I’m sure you’ll get recommendations to start a log which definitely helps.

My personal favourite for a bulk would consist of
- Test E
- NPP (Much better and more mild sides than Deca IMO)
- Anadrol
- HGH
- MK677 to aid with an appetite increase during a bulk. Anadrol tends to make my appetite decrease.

Would take N2Guard and have an AI on hand.

EDIT: EQ is also a good shout. Also provides an increase in appetite. Slow but steady gains.

 

[LDizzle92]

Looks like you’ve put some thought into this. I’m sure you’ll get recommendations to start a log which definitely helps.

My personal favourite for a bulk would consist of
- Test E
- NPP (Much better and more mild sides than Deca IMO)
- Anadrol
- HGH
- MK677 to aid with an appetite increase during a bulk. Anadrol tends to make my appetite decrease.

Would take N2Guard and have an AI on hand.

EDIT: EQ is also a good shout. Also provides an increase in appetite. Slow but steady gains.

Thank you for replying man! Appreciate that

What’s your opinion on ratio for test:NPP personally? And also what doses of HGH have you experienced with?

If MK677 helps with appetite I will defs look into it more too cause I plan on getting them calories up rather high

 

[LDizzle92]

Looks like you’ve put some thought into this. I’m sure you’ll get recommendations to start a log which definitely helps.

My personal favourite for a bulk would consist of
- Test E
- NPP (Much better and more mild sides than Deca IMO)
- Anadrol
- HGH
- MK677 to aid with an appetite increase during a bulk. Anadrol tends to make my appetite decrease.

Would take N2Guard and have an AI on hand.

EDIT: EQ is also a good shout. Also provides an increase in appetite. Slow but steady gains.

Also what other benefits if any do you find EQ gives you?

 

[average918]

@LDizzle92 You should look into a bloke called Jordon Oakley. His instagram is officialjordonoakley his very honest and realistic about how much gear you should be using to get the results that you want and to see if gear is a good fit for your goals, with a vast knowledge on nutrition and other things associated with becoming a massive cunt

He also calls out bullshit and liars in the fitness industry in a way that only he can and absolutely roasts people who lie in the fitness community. his last account got banned for it haha his a legend. I highly recommend checking his content out on insta before you jump into using gear

 

[average918]

Everything @Flawlessz said is spot on for a bulking cycle

 

[LDizzle92]

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@LDizzle92 You should look into a bloke called Jordon Oakley. His instagram is officialjordonoakley his very honest and realistic about how much gear you should be using to get the results that you want and to see if gear is a good fit for your goals, with a vast knowledge on nutrition and other things associated with becoming a massive cunt

He also calls out bullshit and liars in the fitness industry in a way that only he can and absolutely roasts people who lie in the fitness community. his last account got banned for it haha his a legend. I highly recommend checking his content out on insta before you jump into using gear

He sounds like the man! I’ll be looking into his stuff 100%

 

[LDizzle92]

Everything @Flawlessz said is spot on for a bulking cycle

 

[Flawlessz]

I tolerate NPP high, personally. Higher than I’d recommend to start out.

In relation to your doses starting off I’d probably go 500 Test / 400 NPP. NPP to be injected EOD. Should see solid gains of that.

Growth 4-5IU. Wouldn’t bother splitting doses for AM/PM, Personally.

I’m an advocate for Anadrol due to the strength gains, it is a harsher oral, though.

In relation to the EQ - High quality, long term gains. Rather slow, however. Can be run for longer periods of time. Appetite increase is another huge benefit as well as vascularity. EQ I like to run 400mg minimum. Would personally recommend 600mg if go that route.

 

[MassiveSparky]

I tolerate NPP high, personally. Higher than I’d recommend to start out.

In relation to your doses starting off I’d probably go 500 Test / 400 NPP. NPP to be injected EOD. Should see solid gains of that.

Growth 4-5IU. Wouldn’t bother splitting doses for AM/PM, Personally.

I’m an advocate for Anadrol due to the strength gains, it is a harsher oral, though.

In relation to the EQ - High quality, long term gains. Rather slow, however. Can be run for longer periods of time. Appetite increase is another huge benefit as well as vascularity. EQ I like to run 400mg minimum. Would personally recommend 600mg if go that route.

Also of youre injecting eod may as well do the test eod at 0.5ml instead of 1x or 2x a week to keep bloods more even and lessen the chance of needing an ai.

 

[Jimboslice117]

What time period will you be doing this for? As in this lifestyle? We all have 10, 15, 20week plans....what's the10,15, 20 year plan to stay in good health?







**edit** I won't weigh in to much on advice for dosages and compound etc except to say use approved for human use only compounds. The list would be testosterone, primobolan, masteron, nadrolone, tren (used in women btw), anavar, winstrol, halotestin, rHGH, rInsulin, clen, telmisartan, metformin.

 

[Jimboslice117]

Disregard my last post. Phone is playing up and couldn't post everything I wanted.

What time period will you be doing this for? As in this lifestyle? We all have 10, 15, 20week plans....what's the10,15, 20 year plan to stay in good health?


Ill throw my hat in the ring since im talking long term health and say use approved for human use only compounds. The list would be testosterone, primobolan, masteron, nadrolone, tren (used in women btw), anavar, winstrol, halotestin, rHGH, rInsulin, clen, telmisartan, metformin to name a few. Why these? They passed human trial, including toxicity trials and we have literally 1000s of studies on them and observations. EQ would be cut from this list as it seems to be fairly kidney toxic which is fine by itself but throw it hypertension (we all verge on that) and other oxidative stresses and things don't look good for us long term.
AI's are the exception in human use drugs that we WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM as much as possible and at most, use them situationally rather than regularly. Again, the clinical results in women after 10 years of using AI are moderate to severe cardiac issues, 5 years of use results in substantial mineral loss in the bone. Estrogen is protective in mamals of the heart, brain, kidneys and bone. I can't stress this enough. Estrogen even plays a critical role in hypertrophy as it has its own pathway in that regard and is vital,as in non negotiable, in fat loss process. Therefore stack design should be developed not just for your wants but needs. Ben Pakulski, former Olympia competitor has said recently he regrets his AI use and didn't know any better. Reading blood work and determining needs here is important.
But if health isn't on your list of concerns by all means have it, just remember you will have to pay the piper sooner or later.