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Proviron stacking question

ibleedoranbla

ibleedoranbla

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Hi everybody. I've been a member here for awhile but I haven't posted on the boards in a long time. Some of you may remember me but maybe not.

So, my question is about stacking proviron. I've never done any injectables only sarms and prohormones. I plan on doing a sarms/ph cycle in a couple of months. I stocked up on some dianabulk before the ban. I'm interested in some of the benefits of proviron but I know it's practically useless on it's own or without test. Is there any meaningful use with stacking proviron with a sarms/ph cycle?

Sorry, if this is a dumb question. Thanks for any and all feedback.
 
Maybe to free up some test...but ph's will shut you down so there will be no test anyway....I can't really see a benefit. I loooove me some proviron though. I run it year round whether I'm blasting or cruising.
 
Bro ditch the ph and get you some test. Injections aren't bad at all. I use 1" 25g needles and they glide right in. pip in a virgin muscle has only ever been bad to me for a day, day and a half at most. Especially if you lubricate the syringe/needle with some saline before filling it up with test, you'll definitely be good to go. Prohormones are going to kill your liver. Proviron isn't methylated so that won't damage your liver, but prohormones will shut you down and cause damage to your liver, and they don't work nearly as well as the real deal. You may like the convenience of oral only drugs, but you won't enjoy having to get your liver replaced when you're 40 years old. Just get you a simple test cycle and you'll thank me later. And Proviron would make a nice addition to that test cycle, btw. I'm not sure about the ph cycle cause I've never done it nor heard of anybody do it.
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
Bro ditch the ph and get you some test. Injections aren't bad at all. I use 1" 25g needles and they glide right in. pip in a virgin muscle has only ever been bad to me for a day, day and a half at most. Especially if you lubricate the syringe/needle with some saline before filling it up with test, you'll definitely be good to go. Prohormones are going to kill your liver. Proviron isn't methylated so that won't damage your liver, but prohormones will shut you down and cause damage to your liver, and they don't work nearly as well as the real deal. You may like the convenience of oral only drugs, but you won't enjoy having to get your liver replaced when you're 40 years old. Just get you a simple test cycle and you'll thank me later. And Proviron would make a nice addition to that test cycle, btw. I'm not sure about the ph cycle cause I've never done it nor heard of anybody do it.
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Believe me, I plan to run a test cycle in the future. I don't plan on using any injectables until next year. I've only ran 2 ph cycles in my entire life and I bought 2 more cycles before the ban. I take all the precautions needed for the ph cycles. I was just interested in trying something like proviron with my next cycle to see if I like it. But it's sounding like there isn't going to be much point in using it.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Believe me, I plan to run a test cycle in the future. I don't plan on using any injectables until next year. I've only ran 2 ph cycles in my entire life and I bought 2 more cycles before the ban. I take all the precautions needed for the ph cycles. I was just interested in trying something like proviron with my next cycle to see if I like it. But it's sounding like there isn't going to be much point in using it.
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Bro I'd honestly just ditch the phs and start the text as your next cycle. I've never ran a ph cycle in my life. I went straight from supplements, completely natty, to the real stuff. Your health isn't something to fuck with. Quit while you're ahead and play it safe with injectables.
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
Bro I'd honestly just ditch the phs and start the text as your next cycle. I've never ran a ph cycle in my life. I went straight from supplements, completely natty, to the real stuff. Your health isn't something to fuck with. Quit while you're ahead and play it safe with injectables.
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I'd be lying if I said I hadn't thought about doing that. Hard to pull the trigger and just order it and do it. Plus still working out how I'll keep all those pins and vials out of sight from the woman.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
I'd be lying if I said I hadn't thought about doing that. Hard to pull the trigger and just order it and do it. Plus still working out how I'll keep all those pins and vials out of sight from the woman.
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Just talk to her bro. That's what I did with my girl. She didn't want me doing it at first and when I asked her to give me some reasons why, she told me a bunch of stuff that wasn't even true about injectable gear. That's when I had to separate right from wrong and let her know it would be fine. She was still a little shaky on it at first but she supports me all the way now. If she knew about how much safer a test injection is than swallowing a ph tablet is, she'd be online buying the needles for you right now. Haha.
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
Just talk to her bro. That's what I did with my girl. She didn't want me doing it at first and when I asked her to give me some reasons why, she told me a bunch of stuff that wasn't even true about injectable gear. That's when I had to separate right from wrong and let her know it would be fine. She was still a little shaky on it at first but she supports me all the way now. If she knew about how much safer a test injection is than swallowing a ph tablet is, she'd be online buying the needles for you right now. Haha.
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Oh I've talked to her about it before, she's completely against it. She is a very conservative person. Doesn't mean I'm not going to still do it because I am. I just kinda had it in my mind that I was going to wait until I was 30. I'm not sure why everyone complains about the gains from prohormones, I've gotten great gains.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Oh I've talked to her about it before, she's completely against it. She is a very conservative person. Doesn't mean I'm not going to still do it because I am. I just kinda had it in my mind that I was going to wait until I was 30. I'm not sure why everyone complains about the gains from prohormones, I've gotten great gains.
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It's not the gains that we complain about. They work. They definitely do. I won't even attempt to argue that, cause I've seen people use them and get great gains. My concern is what it does on the inside. It tears your liver and other organs up bro. Very badly, at that. Even with an organ guard, it will still hurt them. I'd just rather see you play it safe and go with a few vials of test for a cycle rather than a prohormone
 
Well, I'm deff going to do injectables it's in the plans. It's just so hard to figure out which test you want to use and then picking where you're going to buy it from.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Well, I'm deff going to do injectables it's in the plans. It's just so hard to figure out which test you want to use and then picking where you're going to buy it from.
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Haha that's what you have your fellow brothers here for. When you're ready to make that jump, I'll guide you in the right direction. I had people do it for me, I'd love to return the favor now that I'm no longer a newbie to the board.
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
Haha that's what you have your fellow brothers here for. When you're ready to make that jump, I'll guide you in the right direction. I had people do it for me, I'd love to return the favor now that I'm no longer a newbie to the board.
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Well, I appreciate that man. I'll deff hit you up when I need some help.
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
Bro I'd honestly just ditch the phs and start the text as your next cycle. I've never ran a ph cycle in my life. I went straight from supplements, completely natty, to the real stuff. Your health isn't something to fuck with. Quit while you're ahead and play it safe with injectables.
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Hey bro Taylor knows what he is talking about. AAS work SERMS are unproven. If you are worried about injecting that totally understandable. So was I the first time, was in my quad after you break the skin its nothing. Take a deep breath and push not to hard aspirate and inject. Yes there will be injection site pain, will last 3 to 4 days that is why you rotate sites.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Oh I've talked to her about it before, she's completely against it. She is a very conservative person. Doesn't mean I'm not going to still do it because I am. I just kinda had it in my mind that I was going to wait until I was 30. I'm not sure why everyone complains about the gains from prohormones, I've gotten great gains.
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I truly belief that your gains came from a lot of hard work!! Not PHs
 
tj124 said:
Hey bro Taylor knows what he is talking about. AAS work SERMS are unproven. If you are worried about injecting that totally understandable. So was I the first time, was in my quad after you break the skin its nothing. Take a deep breath and push not to hard aspirate and inject. Yes there will be injection site pain, will last 3 to 4 days that is why you rotate sites.
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I was shaking so bad when I gave myself my first injection. Haha. I was so nervous. But like you said, once you break skin and see the needle going in, its a breeze from there. My pip was only bad for a day. Like 24 hours. It was still there and noticeable for a couple days after that, but it was only sensitive to the touch for like 24 hours. And it wouldn't even have been sensitive at all had I not been a pussy and could've kept my hand steady. Lol.
 
Lol, I truly believe he does know what he's talking about. It's not really the injecting that bothers me. It's finding a place to keep all my needles and syringes. Also, actually ordering the stuff and having it delivered to my house also kinda worries me. I wish I knew people that lived in my town that sold it so I could just go pick it up, lol.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Lol, I truly believe he does know what he's talking about. It's not really the injecting that bothers me. It's finding a place to keep all my needles and syringes. Also, actually ordering the stuff and having it delivered to my house also kinda worries me. I wish I knew people that lived in my town that sold it so I could just go pick it up, lol.
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Get a po box from the post office bro! I have my needles shipped right to my front door. Same with my aas. Most of the time, I even have to sign for my packages. No problem at all.
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
I was shaking so bad when I gave myself my first injection. Haha. I was so nervous. But like you said, once you break skin and see the needle going in, its a breeze from there. My pip was only bad for a day. Like 24 hours. It was still there and noticeable for a couple days after that, but it was only sensitive to the touch for like 24 hours. And it wouldn't even have been sensitive at all had I not been a pussy and could've kept my hand steady. Lol.
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Good to hear bro! Just make sure you run a good PCT plan.
Take care
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
Get a po box from the post office bro! I have my needles shipped right to my front door. Same with my aas. Most of the time, I even have to sign for my packages. No problem at all.
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Again taylor is bang on. It is shipped to my mail box and I pick up the pins at walmart. The give me the dirty eye but fuckem buy a box at a time bro.
 
Sounds like you got a good start. 500 is plenty. I'd front load a bit though. Do 500 on day one because with enanthate it takes weeks before you feel the full 500mg/week dosage.

AlphaLife
 
tj124 said:
Do you research and ask questions from the mods they have walked the walk.
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I've been researching all this stuff for over a year now and didn't plan to run my first cycle until next year but you guys are starting to talk me into going for it now.
 
Then just get 23g 1.5s, but you should change the pin anyway after piercing the vial so you have a sharp point when you stick yourself. Just get 1 box of syringes with needles and a box of needles. They're small.

AlphaLife
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Dang, 750 seems like a lot for a first cycle. What do you like to use for the estrogen? Arimidex aromasin?
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I know guys who have used a lot more for a first cycle bro. And I used aromasin at 25mg every Monday, Wednesday, Friday. And my pct was just a simple nolva, clomid, and a natty test booster.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
So you're saying like...

Sunday, day 1-500
Thursday, day 2-250
Sunday, day 3-250
Thursday, day 4-250

And so on and so on..?
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I prefer Monday/Thursday over Sunday/Thursday. And if you're gonna front load, do it for the whole week. So 500 on Monday and 500 on Thursday. Frontload for a week. Don't do it for one day only. There's not much point in that.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
If I run proviron with my test do you think I will still need an on cycle AI?
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Yes, you will still need an ai. At least to have on hand. If you're not gyno prone and run only a small dose of test and run Proviron on cycle, you may be able to get off without one, but I'd definitely still run one. Even at a light dose just to make sure to keep all gyno symptoms away. You know your body much better than anyone else, so you'd be the best judge. Also, blood work never lies. If you wanna try Proviron as an ai, I'd definitely get blood work done 4-6 weeks into the cycle to make sure your estrogen levels fall in the normal range and if they do, you're fine without one. If they don't, you need to add one into the cycle. However, Proviron isn't nearly as effective as Aromasin, arimidex, etc. as an ai, so I myself definitely wouldn't run a cycle without one. But I also run a higher amount of gear than you do, and I'm fairly gyno prone, so I need to keep my estrogen on the low end of normal range. You may be able to get away without one. If you're gonna try, just make sure to keep some Aromasin and Letro on hand in case of an estrogen emergency.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Yea, I think I'm going to place an order with them. Do you think PayPal is safe to use?
Any chance you could give me a good source for pins?
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Yes, paypal is fine to use. I prefer moneygram or westernunion over paypal, though. And I get all my pins from allegro medical. Go to Google and type it in and it'll be the first link that pops up. I get the 3mL syringe and 25g 1" needle combo then a box of 18g 1" needles and it's like 30 bucks. Super cheap. For 100 of them.
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
Yes, you will still need an ai. At least to have on hand. If you're not gyno prone and run only a small dose of test and run Proviron on cycle, you may be able to get off without one, but I'd definitely still run one. Even at a light dose just to make sure to keep all gyno symptoms away. You know your body much better than anyone else, so you'd be the best judge. Also, blood work never lies. If you wanna try Proviron as an ai, I'd definitely get blood work done 4-6 weeks into the cycle to make sure your estrogen levels fall in the normal range and if they do, you're fine without one. If they don't, you need to add one into the cycle. However, Proviron isn't nearly as effective as Aromasin, arimidex, etc. as an ai, so I myself definitely wouldn't run a cycle without one. But I also run a higher amount of gear than you do, and I'm fairly gyno prone, so I need to keep my estrogen on the low end of normal range. You may be able to get away without one. If you're gonna try, just make sure to keep some Aromasin and Letro on hand in case of an estrogen emergency.
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Well, considering that I have puberty gyno I'm def gyno prone so I'll run aromasin from the start. Do you think I need to pick up letro anyway?
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
Yes, paypal is fine to use. I prefer moneygram or westernunion over paypal, though. And I get all my pins from allegro medical. Go to Google and type it in and it'll be the first link that pops up. I get the 3mL syringe and 25g 1" needle combo then a box of 18g 1" needles and it's like 30 bucks. Super cheap. For 100 of them.
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How about getpinz.com I've been looking around on there and they have good prices as well. It's going to be a couple of months before I run this cycle anyway. I'm just trying to get the things together in advanced. I think I'm going to place my order from PSL today.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Well, considering that I have puberty gyno I'm def gyno prone so I'll run aromasin from the start. Do you think I need to pick up letro anyway?
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Not unless you want it on hand for any cycles post-surgery. It would be a waste before that, plus you'll be running ai from day one. That should keep your nipples honest.
 
Mike710 said:
Not unless you want it on hand for any cycles post-surgery. It would be a waste before that, plus you'll be running ai from day one. That should keep your nipples honest.
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Yea, I plan on having surgery this winter so that's another reason I want to do a cycle now. I think I'm going to be extremely scared to run any cycles following surgery. I've had gyno my entire life and there isn't a single gain I could get from working out that would be worth it for me to have it come back.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Well, considering that I have puberty gyno I'm def gyno prone so I'll run aromasin from the start. Do you think I need to pick up letro anyway?
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If you run aromasin from the start, you shouldn't need letro. You could keep it on hand if you wanted to, but I don't have any and I also had puberty gyno. You should be safe without it.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
How about getpinz.com I've been looking around on there and they have good prices as well. It's going to be a couple of months before I run this cycle anyway. I'm just trying to get the things together in advanced. I think I'm going to place my order from PSL today.
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I've never used them but I have heard about them and they seem gtg. But yeah bro PSL is a legit source. You'll be happy with their product.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
I placed my order and paid exactly like the instructions said to and I haven't heard anything.
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You will bro. I'm confident. Just give it a little time. Trust me. They're a respectable, honest source. If something is to happen and they don't come through for you, I'll send you everything that you lost from my stash. I have absolutely zero worries about them. They're completely gtg.
 
Taylor.Dauwe said:
You will bro. I'm confident. Just give it a little time. Trust me. They're a respectable, honest source. If something is to happen and they don't come through for you, I'll send you everything that you lost from my stash. I have absolutely zero worries about them. They're completely gtg.
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Thanks for the reassurance. I was just worried I may have done something wrong.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Yea, I don't know the PayPal was super easy and my money was deducted. I followed the instructions to a T so, I guess we'll see.
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Then you should be good, my brotha. In the future, if you want a pharma grade source for proviron, check out hipocampus.me I've dealt with him a couple times before and he honestly offers the best customer service I've ever dealt with, and the turn around time is fantastic for an international source, and the products, being pharma grade, are obviously top of the line and dosed properly. Haha. Plus his prices can't be beat. A box of Proviron from him goes for 15 bucks... That's unreal. He's who I get all my pct stuff from. Can't take any chances when you're dealing with PCT.
 
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