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My brother let me ask you, did your results fail with the lab Max? Because I tried telling people how faulty and crude them tests are...
Please ask the administration for my email and get ahold of me personally and I'm going to compensate you for your time and trouble for sending in these private samples... You just got yourself some serious store credit..
on behalf of myself and the entire network and the extremely large customer base inside of this community and all the communities where we have overwhelming dedication and support and loyalty, this means a lot to us.
if you do not plan on making an order in the near future I will know on your account to give you store credit..
. You are the exact example of what member should do and how they should go about testing in lieu of using labmax...
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With your permission do you mind if I post these on another site that is affiliated with this particular site? isarms..
Please ask the administration for my email and get ahold of me personally and I'm going to compensate you for your time and trouble for sending in these private samples... You just got yourself some serious store credit..
on behalf of myself and the entire network and the extremely large customer base inside of this community and all the communities where we have overwhelming dedication and support and loyalty, this means a lot to us.
if you do not plan on making an order in the near future I will know on your account to give you store credit..
. You are the exact example of what member should do and how they should go about testing in lieu of using labmax...
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With your permission do you mind if I post these on another site that is affiliated with this particular site? isarms..
ManCal70
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All I can say is those tests are inconclusive at best, flat out impossible to decipher most of the time, maybe even a scam. I have spent $100s on LabMax and Roidtest for nothing. It was a rookie move on my part.
By the way that test result was part of 7 other blind samples from different vendors. 5 of them were legit, there were 2 from eRoids Sponsors that were complete junk.
The two fails were from top rated eRoids Sponsors.
PSL EP was the only slightly overdosed tablet. Not complaining [emoji16]
This is how I sent them. EP was #6.
ManCal70
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Oh and sure you can repost.
I'll hook you up if you want to test more for us... this way its not coming from us.. but samples from others! Ill take great care of you!All I can say is those tests are inconclusive at best, flat out impossible to decipher most of the time, maybe even a scam. I have spent $100s on LabMax and Roidtest for nothing. It was a rookie move on my part.
By the way that test result was part of 7 other blind samples from different vendors. 5 of them were legit, there were 2 from eRoids Sponsors that were complete junk.
The two fails were from top rated eRoids Sponsors.
PSL EP was the only slightly overdosed tablet. Not complaining [emoji16]
This is how I sent them. EP was #6.
.....sorry, checked wrong website
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They've been around for a bit, and in my experience identify substances correctly and the concentrations seem to be in a reasonable window. Is he a legit business? Hell nah. I'm pretty sure he just has an old $3000-4000 gas chromatograph.
Yeah, I've heard people say that it's a scam, because they aren't posting up their actual details (as is also the case with UGLs etc). If you send them an unidentified sample though, they will come back with the correct information. Are they comparable to AG? No. Do they have a chromatograph, and know how to use it? It seems so. It's actually not all that expensive for an older one, nor are the inert gases or substrates. Any second year or third year chem/biochem student will be able to operate and interpret the results as well. The risk though, depending on the country's laws (and definitely illegal in the US), is in knowingly soliciting and/or receiving assumed controlled substances for testing.
Of course you'll post this...
Better quality attached.
@~Vision~
You cant beat the price of them either.. Some shops are so HIGH PRICED with all local gear, it's insane...
Great quality and it costs WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY less compared to some other shops..
What is going on here - why everyone attack PSL ? i cant understand it - it is politic ??? I have indisputable proof of quality PSL var - every one can call or email there and asking about this labs
i used PSL for long time - im new here but i can't believe what is going on here - on other forums PSL have only positive review - maybe i missed something ?? because my labs result show me something difference
Link to my Labs :
PSL oxandrolone results
i used PSL for long time - im new here but i can't believe what is going on here - on other forums PSL have only positive review - maybe i missed something ?? because my labs result show me something difference
Link to my Labs :
PSL oxandrolone results
ManCal70
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I have read that thread, it's dumb. All I can tell you is this. I send samples to him blind. He has no idea what they are.
I've sent Deca, Primo, Var, raws, oils, tablets and somehow by pure magic he knows what it is? And even the odd dosage gear I've sent him too, he gets right. The only way for him to guess the oil I sent is 150mg deca is with hplc.
I also sent him samples I have tested by other lab, and guess what? It's the same or pretty darn close. Hplc is not an exact easy science and a lot of room for errors. I did my research trying to figure out if I could do it myself. Very expensive lab equipment, so I'm out
.That's my experience. Worth the $. Ugls don't like him very much.
ManCal70
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How much is lab4tox, always good to have another lab.
ManCal70
New member
Dudes been around for years and years and always come back to 2 threads
. One of those threads I do blame Jano, he got caught lying about receiving gear he hadn't. We all do stupid shit sometimes and he's still paying for it.Funny thing is the same UGLs that hate him now we're also using his services and it was fine then haha
Until he fucks up my samples, or I catch em being dodgy, he's good to go for me.
You were honest from day one with us, even way back before you made any purchases you had many many questions, and you grilled us with legit serous concerns and you even did a lab max that turned out skewed, I gave you a full refund because you weren't problematic. none of us could prove anything at that point, it wasn't worth losing a customer over, long as it was FAIR for everything.. Thank you for having trust in the market once again... whats you email? I'd love to hear about the other labs on the down low..I have read that thread, it's dumb. All I can tell you is this. I send samples to him blind. He has no idea what they are.
I've sent Deca, Primo, Var, raws, oils, tablets and somehow by pure magic he knows what it is? And even the odd dosage gear I've sent him too, he gets right. The only way for him to guess the oil I sent is 150mg deca is with hplc.
I also sent him samples I have tested by other lab, and guess what? It's the same or pretty darn close. Hplc is not an exact easy science and a lot of room for errors. I did my research trying to figure out if I could do it myself. Very expensive lab equipment, so I'm out
That's my experience. Worth the $. Ugls don't like him very much.
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I seen the same.. I know he screwed up a few times, but he said it was a lab tech that he had, and after he canned that helper it seems that he hasn't had an issue since..From what it appears.Dudes been around for years and years and always come back to 2 threads
Funny thing is the same UGLs that hate him now we're also using his services and it was fine then haha
Until he fucks up my samples, or I catch em being dodgy, he's good to go for me.
Genixcon
EVO V.I.P.
I’ve noticed it also. PSL has defined the standard for sources for years now. Vision is a testament to a quality company thru and thru. I’ve dealt with dozens of online sources now and vision is by far the best rep I’ve ever dealt with.
Genixcon
EVO V.I.P.
I won’t use him anymore. I believe W&M is a better lab to use imho
ManCal70
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That's exactly right, we got off to a rocky start, and it was my own doing for using lab Max shit. You still took care of me bro. I won't forget that, I admit it when I'm wrong, which is why I posted the test.
Some of the samples I sent were 4 x 10mg Vars - PSL, Balkan, Vedi, Vermodje
PSL tested 10.38mg Oxandrolone (Legit)
Balkan tested 9.45mg Oxandrolone (Legit - negligible under)
Vedi tested 3.96mg of Winstrol
Vermodje tested 4.77mg of Winstrol
I never got to test the Pivotal.
I recall you mentioning them before. just the fact that you guys are testing labs if huge. it keeps people in the know.. I believe there is god people out there that just want to keep people updated.
But I know of one lab some time back took a beating after using Jano.. I felt bad for that lab, and I knew guys who sworn to death that the lab was GTG.. Heck, Jano tested a PSL blend that came back someone else, and the products where MORE expansive than what the test supposedly said..It didn't make any sense, like cross contamination or something. I know in m gut that some labs lots their rep over skewed tests like that from jano
You had legit questions, you questioned the sachets and wanted to make sure it was what it was, you thought it could have been opened and refilled with substitute tabs.. That's a legitimate question, is it not?
You were far from problematic, and just seemed very concerned, naturally, plus you held up your end of the deal with those tabs, and that was huge of you!
good to see Balkan came back on point as well.. That closed that rumor about their var.
Far as the other labs.. SMH.. they need to contact their outsource, looks like they got screwed over.. This is why I will only give a female human grade var
ManCal70
New member
The Vermodje I blame myself. They were ok for a while, but many years ago. I expected the crap there.I recall you mentioning them before. just the fact that you guys are testing labs if huge. it keeps people in the know.. I believe there is god people out there that just want to keep people updated.
But I know of one lab some time back took a beating after using Jano.. I felt bad for that lab, and I knew guys who sworn to death that the lab was GTG.. Heck, Jano tested a PSL blend that came back someone else, and the products where MORE expansive than what the test supposedly said..It didn't make any sense, like cross contamination or something. I know in m gut that some labs lots their rep over skewed tests like that from jano
You had legit questions, you questioned the sachets and wanted to make sure it was what it was, you thought it could have been opened and refilled with substitute tabs.. That's a legitimate question, is it not?
You were far from problematic, and just seemed very concerned, naturally, plus you held up your end of the deal with those tabs, and that was huge of you!
good to see Balkan came back on point as well.. That closed that rumor about their var.
Far as the other labs.. SMH.. they need to contact their outsource, looks like they got screwed over.. This is why I will only give a female human grade var
Vedi is becoming popular, at least more carry it, but turned out to be crap. It was sealed too and serials checked out. So its hard to blame the reseller.
Balkan tested ok, but I have also heard there is a lot of really good fakes Balkan out there coming from Turkey.
Worst one Ive seen was supposed 25mg Var and tested 10mg Oxandrolone + 4.9mg Tbol.
The price is pretty good for this kind of offer it is around 130-140$ and this company have accredited status - what its mean
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I heard only good things about Vision - and nothing to add more about EP products -for me AA
anabolichow2
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Thats awesome!!
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