Second cylce

[RoidMartian]

Its been 5 months since my first cycle (test e, eq and tried tren ace for the last 3 weeks)
Got great gains and overall enjoyed the cycle. Pct went well with nolvadex and clomid, My nuts were back to normal aswell as my libido about a month and 1/2 after.

For my next cycle this is what I have in mind

Week 1-8 Test E 500/w
1-4 Dbol 25-50/d
5-8 Tren A 400/w

I also have all my supports and Pct handy


Id like to use this cycle to recomp, Im at 18%bf so i'll be in a moderate caloric deficit.
Currently weigh 160lb.

Questions:

Has anyone tried dbol while dieting? Will I still see some gains even if my diet is not for bulking? If not, will I still experience the strength gains? I'll be taking Arimidex to reduce the water retention.
Also, last cycle I did 500/w test e. Should i up the dose this cycle?





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[muskate]

Its been 5 months since my first cycle (test e, eq and tried tren ace for the last 3 weeks)
Got great gains and overall enjoyed the cycle. Pct went well with nolvadex and clomid, My nuts were back to normal aswell as my libido about a month and 1/2 after.

For my next cycle this is what I have in mind

Week 1-8 Test E 500/w
1-4 Dbol 25-50/d
5-8 Tren A 400/w

I also have all my supports and Pct handy


Id like to use this cycle to recomp, Im at 18%bf so i'll be in a moderate caloric deficit.
Currently weigh 160lb.

Questions:

Has anyone tried dbol while dieting? Will I still see some gains even if my diet is not for bulking? If not, will I still experience the strength gains? I'll be taking Arimidex to reduce the water retention.
Also, last cycle I did 500/w test e. Should i up the dose this cycle?





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All in all the dosages for your cycle look good. I wouldn't increase the dosages - but rather increase the duration. Building muscle is a slow process. 8 weeks really isn't a lot of time. I would bump it up to 12.

For a first time with tren - 50mg EOD is plenty. There is no need to dose 400mg/week.

dbol - I would recommend using tbol instead. It's very similar to dbol but it doesn't cause near the same amount of water retention. Read up on the differences here: http://www.evolutionary.org/turinabol-vs-dianabol

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
tren ace 50mg EOD
cabergoline 0.5mg E3D
cardarine gw 20mg/day
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

weeks 1 - 4
tbol 30mg/day
n2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[RoidMartian]

Thanks Muscate, this info is very useful. I'll extend my cycle another month for sure. As for the tbol, I already have the dbol in hand, Id like to put some use to it. Is it possible to still implement it in this cycle instead of tbol? If so what would be the dosing?

I also have the Sarms triple stack in hand (ostarine, andarine, cardarine). How can I add this to my cycle? Do I take the triple stack as a whole, or are there diffrent periods of my cycle where a specific sarm will be more beneficial? Such as cardarine with tren.


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[BigJay]

Weather your taking dbol or tbol I wouldn't want to be dieting on either of them. I would be trying to maximize gains and make the most of my cycle. 160 pounds isn't that much. 18% body fat is fine too. Just work out harder.

 

[prime863]

160lb at 18% could be better, id look at the diet first off

personally id go with
250mg Test
175mg-350mg (50mg EOD - 100mg EOD) Tren

but muskates layout was on point also

 

[RoidMartian]

160lb at 18% could be better, id look at the diet first off

personally id go with
250mg Test
175mg-350mg (50mg EOD - 100mg EOD) Tren

but muskates layout was on point also

Why do you suggest lower test?

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks Muscate, this info is very useful. I'll extend my cycle another month for sure. As for the tbol, I already have the dbol in hand, Id like to put some use to it. Is it possible to still implement it in this cycle instead of tbol? If so what would be the dosing?

I also have the Sarms triple stack in hand (ostarine, andarine, cardarine). How can I add this to my cycle? Do I take the triple stack as a whole, or are there diffrent periods of my cycle where a specific sarm will be more beneficial? Such as cardarine with tren.


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Why do you suggest lower test?

Just because you have some Dbol on hand does not mean you absolutely must use it. Leave it for another ocassion, when it will fit better for your goals and your cycle. Tbol will be a much better choice given your circumstances. As for the SARMS triple stack, sincerely I would leave it as a bridge to run after the PCT - this would be the most economical thing to do. Finally, I would strongly recommend running higher test and lower trenbolone in order to avoid any libido related issues.

 

[Jay Scott]

All in all the dosages for your cycle look good. I wouldn't increase the dosages - but rather increase the duration. Building muscle is a slow process. 8 weeks really isn't a lot of time. I would bump it up to 12.

For a first time with tren - 50mg EOD is plenty. There is no need to dose 400mg/week.

dbol - I would recommend using tbol instead. It's very similar to dbol but it doesn't cause near the same amount of water retention. Read up on the differences here: http://www.evolutionary.org/turinabol-vs-dianabol

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
tren ace 50mg EOD
cabergoline 0.5mg E3D
cardarine gw 20mg/day
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

weeks 1 - 4
tbol 30mg/day
n2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

I would do everything identical like muskate mentioned, however I would bump tren to 75mg or 100 mg eod at least. Also tbol 30-50mg/day or just run S4 sarm instead of it, the dosing and article can be found on the evolutionary.org as well.

 

[muskate]

Thanks Muscate, this info is very useful. I'll extend my cycle another month for sure. As for the tbol, I already have the dbol in hand, Id like to put some use to it. Is it possible to still implement it in this cycle instead of tbol? If so what would be the dosing?

I also have the Sarms triple stack in hand (ostarine, andarine, cardarine). How can I add this to my cycle? Do I take the triple stack as a whole, or are there diffrent periods of my cycle where a specific sarm will be more beneficial? Such as cardarine with tren.


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You can replace the tbol with dbol - same dosage.

Sarms triple stack - finish your cycle, run the perfect PCT protocol, run the SARMS triple stack as a bridge, wait 3-4 weeks and then start your next cycle.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I like Muskate's layout above. That is exactly how I would do it. You have good compound doses, proper AIs and supports, and a perfectly laid out pct. good luck my friend!

 

[RoidMartian]

Alright, so I've decided to drop the Dbol, have some Tbol on order.

I'll follow Muskates layout including the cardarine which i started yesterday. Energy levels are higher than normal right now. Might just be in my head though.

I'll do the ostarine and andarine after PCT.

Thank you for all the input, It was helpful in various ways!




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[riprock713]

man 160 at 18% bf? how old are you? usually the people on this forum will say you have a lot of room to grow naturally right now. If it were me, I would at least get up to 175 @15% before I started taking anything, then your gains will be much more pronounced because you are already eating to grow.

 

[RoidMartian]

man 160 at 18% bf? how old are you? usually the people on this forum will say you have a lot of room to grow naturally right now. If it were me, I would at least get up to 175 @15% before I started taking anything, then your gains will be much more pronounced because you are already eating to grow.

Except, this discussion was about the structure of my next cycle.

I could start a new discussion about wether I can still grow naturally, the benefits from letting my muscles grow naturally before introducing enhancing compounds into my body. You would of hit the nail on the head in that discussion. Not the case in this one.

25 years
5'8"
18%bf