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Hey guys first time poster here. I have read things on here for a while but anyway I'm a pretty experienced user I have lost count of the number of cycles I've done. I love tren but have always read to run Tren higher than test but I have always ran my test very high regardless of what else I'm taking. last time I ran this for 10 weeks 1000mg/week test and 600 mg of Tren and 100mg/day of dbol(for the start of the cycle) and insulin for a month. I loved the results I got off of it. Now I understand Tren is king and you should run it higher because they fight over receptors but if I ran my test and tren a little lower and at an equal dosage like 500mg/week of TestE and 500mg/ of Tren E would that work. I run way higher gear than that so I don't see why my receptors couldn't handle both maybe I don't understand the science behind that. It's hard for me to run a low dose of test just because I love the feeling and sexual effects of test. I've heard some people say the point of running low test is to prevent sides but I can handle some estrogen, I homebrew and always have a shit ton of AI powder on me. From your experience do you still feel the horniness and have no libido issues running test at 300/week? Here is my background btw 27 years old 5'7" 220lbs (pretty lean) as I stated before pretty experienced with cycles. I just started to compete NPC.
Here is a good video for you to watch where I explain the steroid trenbolone in depth -> http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/video-trenbolone-explained-47719.html
Trenbolone is a very interesting steroid. It was never actually developed for human usage. It was developed as a feed lot drug for cattle. It was originally sold under the brand name Finajet or Finaplex.
I recommend running the testosterone higher then tren to keep side effects to a minimum. I really like a dosage of 500mg/week for test and 300mg/week for tren. A little bit of tren goes a long way. I really see no need to ever use more then 300-400mg of tren per week.
The highest I ever went with testosterone was 1 gram per week. I really didn't see any additional benefits from 500mg/week but I got a lot more water retention.
In my opinion, the sweet spot for testosterone is 500mg/week. Anything more then that is going to really start aromatizing into estrogen (even with an AI). Instead of increasing your testosterone dosage past that, you would be much better off add in another compound.
A test/tren cycle needs 3 main support supplements:
1. An AI like aromasin to keep estrogen in the low-normal range
2. An anti-prolactin drug like cabergoline to keep prolactin in the low-normal range
3. Cardarine to increase fat loss, endurance and prevent tren related side effects like tren cough
Why not do something like this -
Weeks 1 - 10
Testosterone e 500mg/week OR Test prop 100-150mg EOD
Tren e 300mg/week OR tren ace 50-75mg EOD
EQ 300-600mg/week
aromasin 10mg EOD
cabergoline 0.25mg EOD
cardarine 20mg/day
After the cycle run the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
Trenbolone is a very interesting steroid. It was never actually developed for human usage. It was developed as a feed lot drug for cattle. It was originally sold under the brand name Finajet or Finaplex.
I recommend running the testosterone higher then tren to keep side effects to a minimum. I really like a dosage of 500mg/week for test and 300mg/week for tren. A little bit of tren goes a long way. I really see no need to ever use more then 300-400mg of tren per week.
The highest I ever went with testosterone was 1 gram per week. I really didn't see any additional benefits from 500mg/week but I got a lot more water retention.
In my opinion, the sweet spot for testosterone is 500mg/week. Anything more then that is going to really start aromatizing into estrogen (even with an AI). Instead of increasing your testosterone dosage past that, you would be much better off add in another compound.
A test/tren cycle needs 3 main support supplements:
1. An AI like aromasin to keep estrogen in the low-normal range
2. An anti-prolactin drug like cabergoline to keep prolactin in the low-normal range
3. Cardarine to increase fat loss, endurance and prevent tren related side effects like tren cough
Why not do something like this -
Weeks 1 - 10
Testosterone e 500mg/week OR Test prop 100-150mg EOD
Tren e 300mg/week OR tren ace 50-75mg EOD
EQ 300-600mg/week
aromasin 10mg EOD
cabergoline 0.25mg EOD
cardarine 20mg/day
After the cycle run the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
Hey thanks man, I took a look. Looks like my original plan of running 750mg/week of TestE and 500mg/week of TrenE is a little higher than you suggest but seems like the ratio is pretty similar. I bulked up to 235lbs at 5'7"(person high) on a similar cycle as this. I am definitely satisfied with the results I had but after hearing everyone talking about running lower test I got curious if I would of benefited even more. I think I will do my 10 week cycle like this then
Test E-750mg/week
Tren E-500mg/week
Dbol-100mg/day (first 6 weeks)
Also insulin for a month.
I ran my test I believe at 1000mg/week last time and it was honestly the best bulk I ever had. I'm going to try to cut the test down though to 750 and stay at least with your ratio as I did have very higher estrogen but I always have AI's on me.
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I can run deca in place of EQ? I already placed my order and ordered some deca to run a small dose for my shoulder since I had shoulder and bicep tendon surgery a very months ago (non related to weight lifting)
Test E-750mg/week
Tren E-500mg/week
Dbol-100mg/day (first 6 weeks)
Also insulin for a month.
I ran my test I believe at 1000mg/week last time and it was honestly the best bulk I ever had. I'm going to try to cut the test down though to 750 and stay at least with your ratio as I did have very higher estrogen but I always have AI's on me.
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I can run deca in place of EQ? I already placed my order and ordered some deca to run a small dose for my shoulder since I had shoulder and bicep tendon surgery a very months ago (non related to weight lifting)
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If you want to run tren, then go with EQ
Honestly the test to tren ratio is something you have to figure out individually. Some people like higher test and lower tren and others like the opposite. It will depend on how you feel and how the side effects hit you. Just a note though, do not keep your AI on hand. You need to be running it from day 1 of your cycle.
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There is no black and white answer to your question - some people get much better results with a higher ratio of trenbolone, others with more testosterone. In fact, some even love running trenbolone alone without testosterone. So as you can see, it is a very individual thing, and you need to find what works best for you - not for the others. However, in any case, I can definitely tell that your dosages are very hefty - are you a competing professional, or not?
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