What do You guys think ?

[yujiroHarma]

Hey guys!
I've run couple long ester Testosterone cycles (Test E) but I want to try out a shorter ester one in my following cycle. I want to gain as much muscle as possible! Here's the cycle I'm thinking about (8 Weeks):
Test P at 300mg/week
Tren A at 500mg/week
I've never run Tren before so I' going for a short ester as to cut it out if I see some side effects.
Should I add NPP to the stack ? Since Deca is considered as the best bulker by many, does its short ester give same results ?
Any advice or recommendation is appreciated!

 

[muskate]

Running 2 nandrolones (deca and tren) is the same cycle is not a good idea. It's a prolactin issue waiting to happen.

Tren is an extremely strong steroid. You will get fantastic results stacking it with just testosterone. I would switch your dosages though and use testosterone at 500mg/week and tren at 300mg/week.

You also need to be using an AI with your cycle, an anti-prolactin drug and cardarine. These 3 support supplements will prevent side effects like gyno and reduce the side effects from tren.

Heres how I would run it.

weeks 1 - 8
test p 150mg EOD
tren a 100mg EOD
aromasin 10mg EOD
cabergoline 0.5mg E3D
cardarine gw 20mg/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[yujiroHarma]

Running 2 nandrolones (deca and tren) is the same cycle is not a good idea. It's a prolactin issue waiting to happen.

Tren is an extremely strong steroid. You will get fantastic results stacking it with just testosterone. I would switch your dosages though and use testosterone at 500mg/week and tren at 300mg/week.

You also need to be using an AI with your cycle, an anti-prolactin drug and cardarine. These 3 support supplements will prevent side effects like gyno and reduce the side effects from tren.

Heres how I would run it.

weeks 1 - 8
test p 150mg EOD
tren a 100mg EOD
aromasin 10mg EOD
cabergoline 0.5mg E3D
cardarine gw 20mg/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

Hey Muskate, thanks for your reply first.
Don't Tren and Test occupy/fight for the same receptors ? I've read that it's best to inject higher doses of Tren compared to Test as to get the most out of the Tren. What do You think about that ?

 

[Jay Scott]

Hey Muskate, thanks for your reply first.
Don't Tren and Test occupy/fight for the same receptors ? I've read that it's best to inject higher doses of Tren compared to Test as to get the most out of the Tren. What do You think about that ?

There are some people who do that. However, for first time tren user, I would not go 350mg/week beyond. You might be dealing with a lot of sides even with low tren dosages, so jumping on 500mg/week is very risky and irresponsible.

Go with test p 150mg/eod + tren a 100mg/eod and you will be good

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey Muskate, thanks for your reply first.
Don't Tren and Test occupy/fight for the same receptors ? I've read that it's best to inject higher doses of Tren compared to Test as to get the most out of the Tren. What do You think about that ?

Trenbolone will also increase dihydronandrolone, which will replace DHT and will cause libid and ED issues. Hence, it is best to keep the dosages at least the same, and if possible, take more testosterone than trenbolone. Even if less receptors will be left for trenbolone, you will still get great results with it, as it is 5 times more androgenic and anabolic as testosterone. Hence, the safest way of using trenbolone, is when you take smaller dosages compared to testosterone.

 

[yujiroHarma]

Trenbolone will also increase dihydronandrolone, which will replace DHT and will cause libid and ED issues. Hence, it is best to keep the dosages at least the same, and if possible, take more testosterone than trenbolone. Even if less receptors will be left for trenbolone, you will still get great results with it, as it is 5 times more androgenic and anabolic as testosterone. Hence, the safest way of using trenbolone, is when you take smaller dosages compared to testosterone.

There are some people who do that. However, for first time tren user, I would not go 350mg/week beyond. You might be dealing with a lot of sides even with low tren dosages, so jumping on 500mg/week is very risky and irresponsible.

Go with test p 150mg/eod + tren a 100mg/eod and you will be good

Ok so I'll be running the doses as You adviced as to see how my body would react to Trenbolone. I just got couple questions regarding the injections. When You say every other day, does it mean I should get a pin of Test & Tren every 2 days or I can go like Monday-Wednesday-Friday (Same goes for aromasin & caber) ? And can I combine Tren & Test in the same syringe/pin ?

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Ok so I'll be running the doses as You adviced as to see how my body would react to Trenbolone. I just got couple questions regarding the injections. When You say every other day, does it mean I should get a pin of Test & Tren every 2 days or I can go like Monday-Wednesday-Friday (Same goes for aromasin & caber) ? And can I combine Tren & Test in the same syringe/pin ?

Combining in the same syringe is the best way. Why not save a poke. I would dose EOD exactly to keep hormone levels stable. M-W-F-Su-T-Th, etc.

 

[yujiroHarma]

Trenbolone will also increase dihydronandrolone, which will replace DHT and will cause libid and ED issues. Hence, it is best to keep the dosages at least the same, and if possible, take more testosterone than trenbolone. Even if less receptors will be left for trenbolone, you will still get great results with it, as it is 5 times more androgenic and anabolic as testosterone. Hence, the safest way of using trenbolone, is when you take smaller dosages compared to testosterone.

Combining in the same syringe is the best way. Why not save a poke. I would dose EOD exactly to keep hormone levels stable. M-W-F-Su-T-Th, etc.

Ok thanks! I've did more research and I read people saying that jumping to Tren after just 2 cycles is nuts! Like I won't get any results later on if I run other compounds cuz Tren is the strongest and my body would get used to it, is that true or just BS ? And I wanna know what you guys think about NPP instead of Tren for gaining muscle ? Read You can gain as much muscle as on Tren but with lot less sides, only difference is fat burning where Tren is best.

 

[drippie]

Do tren after 5/6 cycles.

I haven't done tren yet but I spend my days now researching tren only. Exhaustive research. Vast majority of vets all say 300mg of tren is enough for most people at any level.

 

[Daniel88]

Hey guys!
I've run couple long ester Testosterone cycles (Test E) but I want to try out a shorter ester one in my following cycle. I want to gain as much muscle as possible! Here's the cycle I'm thinking about (8 Weeks):
Test P at 300mg/week
Tren A at 500mg/week
I've never run Tren before so I' going for a short ester as to cut it out if I see some side effects.
Should I add NPP to the stack ? Since Deca is considered as the best bulker by many, does its short ester give same results ?
Any advice or recommendation is appreciated!

the shorter ester would have to be injected every other day or every 3 days at the most, while the long ‘deca’ ester can be injected once or twice a week.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Ok thanks! I've did more research and I read people saying that jumping to Tren after just 2 cycles is nuts! Like I won't get any results later on if I run other compounds cuz Tren is the strongest and my body would get used to it, is that true or just BS ? And I wanna know what you guys think about NPP instead of Tren for gaining muscle ? Read You can gain as much muscle as on Tren but with lot less sides, only difference is fat burning where Tren is best.

After only 2 cycles, generally I would not recommend using tren. Basically you want to be able to continue to progress by adding different and more compounds as you go. You will get better responses this way than just going right to tren. NPP can be a really nice compound. I would run it at 300-400mg per week and make sure to have caber since it is a nandrolone. Maybe try that and save the tren for another cycle.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok so I'll be running the doses as You adviced as to see how my body would react to Trenbolone. I just got couple questions regarding the injections. When You say every other day, does it mean I should get a pin of Test & Tren every 2 days or I can go like Monday-Wednesday-Friday (Same goes for aromasin & caber) ? And can I combine Tren & Test in the same syringe/pin ?

Ok thanks! I've did more research and I read people saying that jumping to Tren after just 2 cycles is nuts! Like I won't get any results later on if I run other compounds cuz Tren is the strongest and my body would get used to it, is that true or just BS ? And I wanna know what you guys think about NPP instead of Tren for gaining muscle ? Read You can gain as much muscle as on Tren but with lot less sides, only difference is fat burning where Tren is best.

You could perfectly put the two steroids in the same sirynge, but I would leave trenbolone for another ocassion - it is best to get to a plateau before starting its use. Remember, bodybuilding is a gradual process, so if you get fast results, you will lose them fast as well. As for the pinning days, it will all depend on the esters. If it is a short ester we are talking about, your M-W-F schedule would be just fine. If it is a longer ester, do just 2 injections per day. As for the NPP, I would rather say that it is more similar to deca durabolin, just with a faster action. Therefore, you would basically get the same results and side effects as you would with deca, but it would happen much faster. And yes, I would say that fat loss will be better on trenbolone, but keep in mind that it is not a fat burning compound. Hence, better leave it for later - you will be glad to use it when the time will come.

 

[qqwww12]

IMO, i don't think use them in a cycle is better, and the dosage of tren is high for a beginner, i will low it to 50mg/eod

 

[yujiroHarma]

After only 2 cycles, generally I would not recommend using tren. Basically you want to be able to continue to progress by adding different and more compounds as you go. You will get better responses this way than just going right to tren. NPP can be a really nice compound. I would run it at 300-400mg per week and make sure to have caber since it is a nandrolone. Maybe try that and save the tren for another cycle.

You could perfectly put the two steroids in the same sirynge, but I would leave trenbolone for another ocassion - it is best to get to a plateau before starting its use. Remember, bodybuilding is a gradual process, so if you get fast results, you will lose them fast as well. As for the pinning days, it will all depend on the esters. If it is a short ester we are talking about, your M-W-F schedule would be just fine. If it is a longer ester, do just 2 injections per day. As for the NPP, I would rather say that it is more similar to deca durabolin, just with a faster action. Therefore, you would basically get the same results and side effects as you would with deca, but it would happen much faster. And yes, I would say that fat loss will be better on trenbolone, but keep in mind that it is not a fat burning compound. Hence, better leave it for later - you will be glad to use it when the time will come.

Thanks for your help guys! I would run it like this:
Test P: 500-600mg/week (EOD shots)
NPP: 400mg/week (EOD shots)
Caber: 0.5mg E3D
Aromasin: 12.5g/EOD

After 3 days of last pin, I'll run a pct of Nolvadex & Clomid! Do You think I should add HCG ? I'm still not decided if to run tthe cycle for 8 or 12 weeks.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Thanks for your help guys! I would run it like this:
Test P: 500-600mg/week (EOD shots)
NPP: 400mg/week (EOD shots)
Caber: 0.5mg E3D
Aromasin: 12.5g/EOD

After 3 days of last pin, I'll run a pct of Nolvadex & Clomid! Do You think I should add HCG ? I'm still not decided if to run tthe cycle for 8 or 12 weeks.

That looks pretty good. I would skip the HCG and just run HCGenerate ES starting immediately after last injection. Follow the rest of the Perfect PCT for the best recovery...http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/