PSL vs. Blood Work [update]

[FullHavels]

I posted a while back some blood results taken at week 4 into my cycle. Currently on 500mg test-E, 500 IU HCG per week and 50mg/d Winstrol.

You all seemed to think that my gear was probably underdosed. I did another test at week 8, and my T levels came back even lower than before. Not even above normal range!

Really disappointed. You'd figure it would be easy to get Test-E right, but instead it's just been a giant waste of my time and money. On top of it, I've felt fucking terrible during this cycle. Gotten a little bit stronger, but fatigued and achy all the time.

0/10 would not use PSL again.



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Looks like the picture attached with shitty quality.

@ Week 4 - 1164.5
@ Week 8 - 856.6

 

[Nismo99]

I do believe there is some PSL Test E that is floating around that is underdosed. You aren't the first one to post something like this. It seems to be just test E because another member just did blood work on PSL Test P and it came back above 2000.

 

[stevesmi]

I've tested their Cyp several times and it is g2g.

not sure what happened here but i would contact them, i'm sure they will make it right

 

[~Vision~]

Here's the thing with blood work, its a crude indicator and I'll stress why, It can be a bit misleading as people have these high expectations that they should be at a set gold standard.. There is no set numbers that people must fall under, I seen people test the same dosage using the same protocol and the numbers varied each time.. Each test will yield a different result..There's so many pro's and con's with both tests that have been collected, and the same applies for testing multiple times..

Below is Blood work from a member on a different forum that pulled bloods using Test E 250 just 1mL a week (250), SAME BATCH AS YOURS..He provide a more detailed report unlike you..
Your pic is pretty shitty if you want to talk about quality, it has a major lack of important details and looks shady..

About his bloods, below there clearly has to be some sort of cross-reactivity with something, those numbers are beyond unrealistic at those dosages 250mg a week..Even hyper-responders won't touch those numbers..He plans on having the samples re-tested.
With that said here we can sometimes see scores coming back in the on the lower end when the parenting hormone being test is beyond bonafide and yet an other through the roof.. This stuff happens with testings..

Here's an other guy on TestE at 200mgs EOD.. 3228 TT

Here's an other on the SAME batch, using 250mgs E3D.. Notice his amazing IGF levels, some of the highest I seen from a person that is NOT on HGH, impressive to say the least..

So you see... bloods will vary and all of these are the SAME batch..

Also, your blood work fails to show estro along with free Test.. You've stated before that you're over weight (quote on quote) "My bodyweight is significantly heavier than average, so I'm wondering if that affects blood concentrations. Ex, 175lb vs 300lb might be expected to have different levels given the same dosage" Your estro could be be through the roof and due to you being over weight you may possess a higher ratio of aromatase enzymes with a high SHBG level.. Body weight and blood volume can dictate serum levels, also depending on your injection site and the ratio of Subq tissue vs muscle (injection dept can be a huge factor in hormone release)

Last but not least - It appears to be (speculation) that you're an ultra rapid metabolizer with hormones, now this is speculating without seeing your metabolic panel, and now I wonder what your liver/kidney function is.. you very well could be metabolizing and excreting Testosterone/hormones very rapidly, this gives most people the illusion that they are low responders (such as myself)..

I would suggest 1 of 2 things, or both..

1) Pulling FULL blood panel/thyroid panel/metabolic.
2) Pull a 24-hr Urine test.. This will give a keen indication on how you may be metabolizing your hormones throughout the day, rather than just a quick snap-shot of your bloods, it will asses all the spikes and dips, finding them on line can be tricky but they are available..Especially being over weight..

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I do believe there is some PSL Test E that is floating around that is underdosed. You aren't the first one to post something like this. It seems to be just test E because another member just did blood work on PSL Test P and it came back above 2000.

This is how rumors start.. You're making assumptions.. Its all the same batch!

This batch is expiring and will be phased out soon.. There is NOT a stash of good vials, or bad ones slipping through..

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ agreed bro, you are exactly right.. plus the OP posted zero evidence he bought the product and only has 2 posts.. not calling anyone a liar but you need to do more than just post a screen shot of blood work to prove what is going on

to the OP: maybe post a pic with the actual gear next to it with the batch code visible would be a start. until you do how can anyone know for sure you are telling the truth?

 

[~Vision~]

^^^ agreed bro, you are exactly right.. plus the OP posted zero evidence he bought the product and only has 2 posts.. not calling anyone a liar but you need to do more than just post a screen shot of blood work to prove what is going on

to the OP: maybe post a pic with the actual gear next to it with the batch code visible would be a start. until you do how can anyone know for sure you are telling the truth?

Exactly bro and that blood work image he is this playing looks sketchy at best, my eleven-year-old son could manufacture something on his laptop with Windows paint that looks way better than that...

At least give us the rest of the blood work..

Furthermore the fronts are different on both of the blood reports, not that it entirely means anything but if it came from the same lab they should have the same software..

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Exactly bro and that blood work image he is this playing looks sketchy at best, my eleven-year-old son could manufacture something on his laptop with Windows paint that looks way better than that...

At least give us the rest of the blood work..

Furthermore the fronts are different on both of the blood reports, not that it entirely means anything but if it came from the same lab they should have the same software..

Edit - fonts****

 

[FullHavels]

Here are the full labs and a pic of the test-E vials.

The image quality looks like crap when I use the forum tools. I'm clicking on "insert image" to do it, so if there's another better way, sorry. The pic of the PSL test vial seems to come through ok.

Here's some imgur links:

https://i.imgur.com/uJK2q7t.png
https://i.imgur.com/RpVlDVn.png



On lab 1, I was taking too much adex (0.5 mg EOD), and it crashed my E2. I got lab 2 to check my E2, and it is high, so now back on adex (0.5mg e3.5d). I started taking Winstrol around week 6, so liver stuff is elevated in test 2.

It's fine for you to say that there's variation within the same batch and that people respond different ways, but that doesn't mean that blood tests are meaningless. There should be a number where you say: "hmm, maybe this gear is underdosed".

In all of your examples, people had >1000 ng/dl total test. I have less than that. You would have never predicted anyone could be <1000 on 500ml/wk test-E and now you're trying to explain it after the fact.

The simplest explanation is that the gear I was sent is underdosed. This whole "oh it's from the same batch" argument is not even convincing. How is anyone supposed to know everything within the same batch is the same? It's all just your word, and if I believed your word we wouldn't need to argue.

 

[~Vision~]

Here are the full labs and a pic of the test-E vials.

The image quality looks like crap when I use the forum tools. I'm clicking on "insert image" to do it, so if there's another better way, sorry. The pic of the PSL test vial seems to come through ok.

Here's some imgur links:

https://i.imgur.com/uJK2q7t.png
https://i.imgur.com/RpVlDVn.png

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On lab 1, I was taking too much adex (0.5 mg EOD), and it crashed my E2. I got lab 2 to check my E2, and it is high, so now back on adex (0.5mg e3.5d). I started taking Winstrol around week 6, so liver stuff is elevated in test 2.

It's fine for you to say that there's variation within the same batch and that people respond different ways, but that doesn't mean that blood tests are meaningless. There should be a number where you say: "hmm, maybe this gear is underdosed".

In all of your examples, people had >1000 ng/dl total test. I have less than that. You would have never predicted anyone could be <1000 on 500ml/wk test-E and now you're trying to explain it after the fact.

The simplest explanation is that the gear I was sent is underdosed. This whole "oh it's from the same batch" argument is not even convincing. How is anyone supposed to know everything within the same batch is the same? It's all just your word, and if I believed your word we wouldn't need to argue.

The long winded explanation was made as an attempt to better educate you, but clearly it missed..because you keep looking at a target number instead of looking at the fluctuations between all of the tests that I posted that vary by the hundreds or the thousands.. the examples above ought to show you the fluctuations and how they can differ.. I'll make an attempt to explain it one more time.. compare your first blood work to your second blood work using the same batch and the same dosage.. why do you see a difference? it's the same batch and the same product but there's a fluctuation.. maybe it's quite possible that your metabolic rate with processing hormones along with potential genetics could contribute? This is your first cycle and you're acting like you have all this experience, with all these expectations but you sure did do a doozy on your estrogen by smashing the shit out of it for absolutely no reason other than to just incorporate an anti estrogen because you probably read it somewhere... There's a lot of learning curves to this.. you have to be careful man.. and that was only 4 Weeks in..

I hope you learn from that mistake..

By the way even with the scores the way they are your lowest one is more than double of what your baseline is and you're talkin about feeling terrible.. if you are felt fatigued and achy that was a sign of crushed estrogen.. now clearly you have shown estrogen rebound, that sudden jump especially being where you are could also attribute because of the drastic drop and then the increase..

A couple things you did right here..
1) baseline Bloods (you should post them too)
2) being proactive by having an anti estrogen and HCG on hand
3) pulling more blood work

At least you're taking notes...

Considering the fact that you said you're overweight and that you feel lethargic and tired, I would suggest getting the blood panels that I mentioned earlier.. especially your T3 and T4, and I'm wondering if you're insulin resistant.. although testosterone can improve resistance, your bodyweight in genetics can be a factor, a major factor in all of this..

 

[Nismo99]

FullHavels,

One way to see if these low test numbers are unique to your biology, is to try another brand of Test E at the same dosage and retest. If you come back low, then bingo..it's you...not them. Or vice versa if the numbers come back high.

 

[~Vision~]

FullHavels,

One way to see if these low test numbers are unique to your biology, is to try another brand of Test E at the same dosage and retest. If you come back low, then bingo..it's you...not them. Or vice versa if the numbers come back high.

You could do this..
But before you start chasing numbers -
I think any well seasoned vet would suggest to get other blood work before doing so, eliminate everything, get everything checked well after your PCT.. get an idea of what's going on across the board with everything.. process of elimination at the same time getting a keen understanding about your health..win-win situation..
If everything comes back up to par, try another brand mirror image.. and I would suggest reaching out to people that have an understanding so they can assist you instead of you just taking something just to take it, because clearly that didn't work out too good for you during the first 4 weeks..

 

[FullHavels]

FullHavels,

One way to see if these low test numbers are unique to your biology, is to try another brand of Test E at the same dosage and retest. If you come back low, then bingo..it's you...not them. Or vice versa if the numbers come back high.

This is what is happening.

I think any well seasoned vet would suggest to get other blood work before doing so, eliminate everything, get everything checked well after your PCT.. get an idea of what's going on across the board with everything.. process of elimination at the same time getting a keen understanding about your health..win-win situation..

I'm heavy, but I'm not fat or obese. I was big and strong (and tall) before taking anything. I'm not some 175 lb frat guy who needs 500ml/wk to hit 225 bench.

A couple reasons why I'm not interested in thyroid/full metabolic is that I felt peachy-great before. Also, totally unclear what kind of interaction thyroid numbers are supposed to have with exogenous T, or even what actions I would take. Like if my blood work came back showing I was unhealthy, what does that have to do with lower-than-expected total testosterone after 8 weeks injecting? Tons of fat idiots go on TRT at 100-200 ml/wk and walk around at 800-1100.

and I would suggest reaching out to people that have an understanding so they can assist you instead of you just taking something just to take it, because clearly that didn't work out too good for you during the first 4 weeks..

I started the AI on week 1. 0.5 mg adex EOD is a pretty common starter dosage, and I always intended to get blood work done so I could adjust. I leaned towards a slightly higher dosage of adex because my pre-bloods showed E2 in the high 30s, so I figured I'd aromatize more. Now I'm doing 0.5mg E3.5d and will check again in 5 weeks. This is way, way better than the majority of guys, so give me a break.

Also, I do have two "seasoned vets" I'm running this by. Not just people who run gear themselves, but manage AAs for others. They know me personally, have seen all my blood work, and want me to switch sources because they think my gear is probably underdosed.

 

[gearhead]

bro i used test cyp from PSL...great results and my bloods were like high sustanon dose...so i felt great...i did TRT after a bit later so i got bloods before and after...

...a few things...

...1) bloods aint a fact about quality of product, you can process faster
......2) this is steroids from UG lab bro...aint like you getting something with a script...so expect some things to vary
........3) evo brothers have reported great results with PSL and great quality and granted some batches might be give take but nothing big
...........4) i personally can vouch for their quality - even got my girl using their anavar! sweet
.............5) aint no one doubts you brother...but there is a positive to this, your test levels def up and up