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I would go NPP all day but after reading ledheds thread about esters I might load with decca then finish with NPP. If I dont go natty this winter I want to try this.
Redam
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I've done Plenty of Deca, but I've not done NPP.
I'm thinking of doing it this Winter, because I think that I would Respond well to it having never done it..................... JP
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I didn't choose the NPP over the Deca the last time I did because of Price and Injection Schedule.
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Last time I did Deca I had that Italian Disease (myfunsalow), so NPP was out of the Question.
I would have been Blasting through over 1 Bottle a Week. On a 12 Week Blast.
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the_waco_kid
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Isnt Deca dick just a matter of supplementing enough caber? Or is it not that simple? Why do people complain about deca dick all the time but you dont here it being an issue as much (if at all) with Tren? Sorry...this might be somethin for another thread.
No that is a very good question. Tren is a modified nandrolone so they both are going to shut a guy down pretty hard. But Decca being the long ester nandrolone is known to stay in the body for up to a year where as tren it could be 4-5 weeks. So once the "decca dick" begins it could be hard to reverse. I remember ledhead calling bs on decca dick and said he never heard the term until a few years back. But from what I read on caber it should solve both of those problems.
I am no expert in either area but I do know that the tren no ester did shut me down harder than anything else I tried so I would imagine decca would do it too. If I ever run either one Caber will be on hand.
I am no expert in either area but I do know that the tren no ester did shut me down harder than anything else I tried so I would imagine decca would do it too. If I ever run either one Caber will be on hand.
Interesting....I need to do a lot more research on Deca Npp.
Blast npp for the mass gain! I want to do a cycle of Test/EQ/NPP and see how big I can grow.
Good question. I don't have a good answer that is supported by anything other than learning from others experiences. Maybe somebody else has some data to back up why this is. guys get the Deca dick with nandrolone decaonate (Deca) much more than with NPP or Tren, and I hear about it all the time. I know guys that can run NPP without ever having an issue, but smell Deca and can't get a hard on for anything. I have never personally used Deca yet, but I would think controlling your estrogen and using caber should keep you from having any issues. I've ran both Tren and NPP and never had an issue
JM750
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As far as deca dick, make sure you are running a good test base as well. Then you can supp with the caber if needed. Yrs ago when I knew nothing about AAS, I ran just a deca cycle and it took me almost a year to get back to normal. The hottest looking chick wouldn't even get me hard.
cause I got high quality NPP cheap...then I got high quality Tren cheap lol.
Nahhh for it's joint healing properties, and strength/mass gains for my two winter/fall bulks
steve dallas
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Decca dick for me is sooooo fuckin true won't do it
Easy answer. Deca is longer chained ester, which we all know from that thread I just made that longer esters produce more estrogen than short, which will cause erectile dysfunction...
No....control estrogen first than prolactin will be checked. People complain about deca dick is because the don't know how to control estrogen. There are biological laws, like prolactin will never be an issue if estrogen is controlled.. It is that simple...
This is the tricky thing about Estrogen thou. Although everything you are saying is TRUE regarding high estrogen, the same IF NOT MORE SO is true for having low estrogen. Low E kills libido and can cause dysfunction as well. I mean , without blood work addressing E problems can be a "shot in the dark ".
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biltpa
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Absolutely.. that's why it needs to be "controlled" as opposed to just taking AIs. You hit it right on the head Mateo.. bloods don't lie.
True...but your post has nothing to do with deca dick. People who claim they have DD have a high level of estrogen floating through their system, which leads to prolactin issues..
Well, just to be devils advocate: what about in the case of tren where it's said to be more anabolic with a bit of estrogen, so in this case if you wanted to get that result you could just as easily just control prolactin only, correct? I mean this what I've done, but I'm speaking in terms of optimal effects I guess.
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No...I think I explained this already. People use tren when they have a relatively high level of estrogen in their system, therefore, prolactin becomes an issue. Biologically speaking, it would be virtually impossible for prolactin to be an issue without estrogen antagonizing it.
I understand that. Maybe you misunderstood in beef cattle as you know I'm sure, they administer some estrogen along with tren because its a bit more anabolic. So in other words, it would not be a "bad" way to do your cycle if you wanted to allow some estrogen to work, and just tend to prolactin issues via cabergoline instead of using an AI.
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ontheroadto
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Nandrolone appears to have significantly less progesterone receptor activity, and therefore prolactin releasing tendency, than tren. Trenbolone's 3 aligned double bonds create an inflexible structure that allows it to bind more to the progesterone and androgen receptors. Nandrolone is slightly more saturated, having only 2/3 of these bonds.
I've posted this before, but prolactin amplifies the effect of other hormones - with high PRL, a lower amount of estrogen gives you gyno. A lower amount of androgens shut you down HARDER. This is because prolactin broadly increases sex hormone receptor proliferation. As such, I'd recommend at the very least some additional B6 while on any cycle with tren or NPP. Cabergoline or pramiprexole are far better, each with their own set of advantages and disadvantages.
With regard to deca versus NPP, I'd favor NPP for the ease of control - tapering up and down, as well as getting off for PCT will be much easier with the shorter ester. Nandrolone itself is a "wet" compound, while as a 19-nor it will not directly aromatize into estrogen, evidence exists for secondary metabolites of nandrolone to be estrogenic. In either case careful use of an AI (I favor exemestane) should be considered.
Mg for mg NPP will also be slightly more anabolic due to the ester weight. Deca has a place in longer cycles, but should be started Day 1 and given at least a few weeks to clear before PCT IMO.
I've posted this before, but prolactin amplifies the effect of other hormones - with high PRL, a lower amount of estrogen gives you gyno. A lower amount of androgens shut you down HARDER. This is because prolactin broadly increases sex hormone receptor proliferation. As such, I'd recommend at the very least some additional B6 while on any cycle with tren or NPP. Cabergoline or pramiprexole are far better, each with their own set of advantages and disadvantages.
With regard to deca versus NPP, I'd favor NPP for the ease of control - tapering up and down, as well as getting off for PCT will be much easier with the shorter ester. Nandrolone itself is a "wet" compound, while as a 19-nor it will not directly aromatize into estrogen, evidence exists for secondary metabolites of nandrolone to be estrogenic. In either case careful use of an AI (I favor exemestane) should be considered.
Mg for mg NPP will also be slightly more anabolic due to the ester weight. Deca has a place in longer cycles, but should be started Day 1 and given at least a few weeks to clear before PCT IMO.
Here is some good comparison reading bros...
http://www.evolutionary.org/deca-durabolin
http://www.evolutionary.org/nandrolone-phenylpropionate-npp/
http://www.evolutionary.org/deca-durabolin
http://www.evolutionary.org/nandrolone-phenylpropionate-npp/
Splat
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I gotta say, I like the idea of NPP over "Deca". Having tried neither, take this with a grain of salt, but I like the idea that if you get into trouble with it (say prolactin or whatever) it clears your system fairly quickly. Granted, it's A LOT more shots, but I'm not sure I would mind that.
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