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billy black

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Hello I'm 24 6 foot 205 pounds 12% body fat I work out 6 times a week mostly lifting I'm going to start doing cardio again with this cycle here it is can you let me know what you guys think this is the cycle I purchased and the products that come with I'm a little nervous because it's my first time thanks Euro-Pharmacies Products
1-12 weeks 500mg Testosterone Enanthate (weekly)
1-12 weeks 10-20mg Aromasin Everyday to every other day (If needed)
1-12 weeks 250iu HCG twice a week

PCT:

12-16 weeks 20mg Tamoxifen every day
12-16 weeks 50mg Clomid every day


3 vials Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml 10ml/vial
2 amps HCG 5000 iu/amp
1 bag Aromasin 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Tamoxifen 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Clomid 50mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
 
Hey dude. You are in a good place. Looks like you have a decent line up. Have you done much digging around on here? I suggest you look at "perfect pct" by "gearhead" that will give you a good direction for the post cycle.

I would run my cycle of test at 500mg each week for 12 weeks.

I would take 12.5 mg of aromasin every other day.

I would also add in a good on cycle support for organ health.

As for post cycle, like I said search up perfect pct on here.

Needles, i get mine from californiaveterinarysupply.com
Get 20 or 18 gauge to draw with and get 1 inch 25 or 23 gauge pins to actually inject. Unless you are doing glute. You may want 1.5 inch.

Good luck man. Other dudes will show up to chime in too. You should keep updating on here about your cycle. Looking forward to see the progress!
 
I will definitely let you guys know how it goes I'll probably take some pictures I got to get the needles and then I should be good to go I guess
 
I shoot delts or quads with a 1"" 23G
Ass get 1-1/2"
I draw with the same pin..
Be sterile and you'll be good..
Gpzservices of where I get my pins I think..


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billy black said:
Okay I can draw from the same pin I shoot with that'll save me from having to get more Needles thanks
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I draw with 21 x 1 and pin with 25 x 1.5. Terumo is THE brand IMO. I order online from MedVetSupply. Good prices and the run lots of promos. Pick up some alcohol swabs to sterilize the stopper on the vial and your skin where you will pin. Takes 2 seconds and better than an abcess. The 500mg/week testE is good, split that into two 250 mg doses though like M/Tr or T/F, S/W. You get the idea.
 
Used to draw with a 1.5" 23g and pin with the same needle. Gonna try pinning with a 25g 1" needle this time around.
 
I got the alcohol swabs i even got pill holder/pillbox so i don't have to think I want to do it right thank you guys for all your input and I'm sure there'll be more
 
billy black said:
Hello I'm 24 6 foot 205 pounds 12% body fat I work out 6 times a week mostly lifting I'm going to start doing cardio again with this cycle here it is can you let me know what you guys think this is the cycle I purchased and the products that come with I'm a little nervous because it's my first time thanks Euro-Pharmacies Products
1-12 weeks 500mg Testosterone Enanthate (weekly)
1-12 weeks 10-20mg Aromasin Everyday to every other day (If needed)
1-12 weeks 250iu HCG twice a week

PCT:

12-16 weeks 20mg Tamoxifen every day
12-16 weeks 50mg Clomid every day


3 vials Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml 10ml/vial
2 amps HCG 5000 iu/amp
1 bag Aromasin 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Tamoxifen 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Clomid 50mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
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you gonna love psl products bro
 
I personally don't pin with same needle as I draw from. I simply use an 18g needle to draw from and use the same drawing needle a few times before swapping out.
 
Your cycle looks good. Only add some organ support, like N2Guard. Regarding PCT, check out the perfect PCT for a good insight.
 
Not sure why anyone would pin with the same needle they draw with and/or not use alcohol pads. Spend hundreds if not into the $1000 range on a cycle, support and PCT; won't spend a few bucks on prep pads and fresh pins...

That said, just running 500/wk of test, I would keep the aromasin on the lower end and eod, personally.
 
I pin with the same needle I draw with. I have a box of needles & syringes. I'm not going to waste a syringe each time I pin. 23G fills fairly quickly so I'm not worried about time and I don't think it dulls the needle that much.


To the OP: here's a great place to get your pins. If you order on Monday, you'll have them Thursday or Friday!! Direct Line Medical
 
I have alcohol pads and I'm not to worry if it takes a little longer for the the syringe to fill I will be going very slow anyways i still haven't bought the needles yet but I will and as for the hcg I don't know too much about it I guess it's poison according to this guy hey Any thoughts on what I should do are appreciated
 
I'm not trying to be cheap but is there a alternative to HCGenerate since HCG is not good for me apparently I need HCGenerate but it's getting a little expensive and also is there an alternative to n2guard and I know somebody's going come on to say you can't be cheap when it comes to your health I understand I am just asking but is there any alternative that people have tried with the same results since apparently this is a pretty simple cycle and also how often I should take the HCGenerate thanks
 
There are way better products for you anyway...

Pick up some Cel Cycle Assist....
Test Booster is up to you, but Viron by black lion is legit... Or you could just get the otc serm Black Lion came out with Rebirth... Both are cheaper and better..

Bps Endosurge is better and it's $20...



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I have some stuff from iron lab's nutrition call cycle support I take it just because it seems to be good for my liver do you think that would work for me is not let me know I will take get offended you guys know more about this than me
 
billy black said:
Also another thing is there a certain brand or certain size needles i should get thank
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no need for hcg throughout the cycle

withdraw with 18 or 21 guage,inject with 25 g

brands .. check out the source section.. psl, robo, bwl.. etc .. some good ones here
 
billy black said:
I ordered the needles I guess I'll order the Cel Cycle Assist but what should I use to replace the HCG 5000 iu/amp
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I have a new sealed bottle of CEL I'll get to you for cheap.. Pm if you want it, even throw in an extra 1/2 bottle..


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I can't p.m. Anybody yet I have to wait till Friday just spent almost 400 for all this stuff need to wait till payday it's all a lot more then I thought it would be hopefully it's worth it and I still have to find something to replace HCG 5000 iu/amp
 
Hcg is a good thing, but it's not really needed for a 12 week cycle.. I've never used it personally, but it's wise..


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I just read your cycle....
If your not using an oral you don't need any cycle assist bro... Test only, run it..


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See that's what I thought from the beginning but everybody kept telling me to get n2guard the whole reason I'm doing just test because it's my first time and I heard it's a lot healthy on the liver because injecting bypasses it and I thought the HCG 5000 iu/amp was supposed to stop the nuts from a shrinking and for bitch tits but now I'm hearing that's bad for you so I think the only thing left I need is something too protect from gyno
 
What did you spend $400 on??
A 12 week Test run and Serms is like $125-150 max.


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no on this
3 vials Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml 10ml/vial
2 amps HCG 5000 iu/amp
1 bag Aromasin 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Tamoxifen 20mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
1 bag Clomid 50mg/tab, 50 tabs/bag
100 box of syringes I even bought pillboxes/ holders and I bought alcohol pads
 
I guess I have to inject that twice a week so I have to inject myself hey total of 4 times a week that's sucks but I guess ill do it should I injected on the samedays I do the testosterone injections and where should I inject them
 
Use hcg the two weeks after u stop test to jump start ur balls. Use hcgenerate in cycle to keep ur balls plump. Clomid kills my estro so i dont use it. Same symptoms as high estro but without the tits. Think bout using osta. Works good in pct and is kind of a bridge into pct and reduces the crash. U definitely need a test booster in pct tho.
1-10 test 500mgs split twice a week
11-12 hcg 750-1000mgs split twice a week
11-16 osta 25mgs daily
13-17 test booster and whatever else u wanna use in pct
 
Okay I just read a few articles on the HCG I'm going to use it I think it's getting too complicated I think I need just stick to the original plan and I will be getting Tessbooster at the end thanks as far as the HCG should I get a smaller needle since I can stick it in my stomach
 
I've never done it personally but I was in the hospital about a year ago for a broken neck they put three needles in my stomach every night but they were very small needles and they still hurt a little bit the reason I don't want to put them in the quads is because I'm going to he putting the testosterone in the quads and in the ass
 
O i forgot ur gonna pin hcg throughout cycle. U know that hcg isnt good to be used for long periods of time right? its ur choice but just sayin.
 
Beginner cycles should be simple. The idea is that you use one test and 1-2 pct to see how your body reacts to them. Stacking and using additional preventive meds could react poorly on you and it'll be hard to pinpoint wg at is causing the problem. Also, test cyp or twst eth cycle alone is the standard for beginners.
 
You know what I probably won't use it until close to the and because I heard it helps you bounce back faster and thanks for the help I know I'm asking a lot of questions
 
Really its a personal preference. 1/2 the people here will say its their go to cycle support and the rest will say no. In the end u got the basics down and a decent plan. Dont over think it. Enjoy the first ride b coz the first time is the best. Eat like crazy and you will make great gains and great strength increases. Just put as much work in after its over to keep as much as possible. Thats when u really have to put in the work
 
GL man. I did some stupid things my first cycle. Im on my second now but still a noob, just very well educated about roids. I actually now more about roids than lifting lol. One dumb thing I did was refrigerate my test cyp and use it soon after. Keep that stuff dry and room temp. Another was bad pinning... virgin muscle is the term...
 
Yeah I guess I'll learned as ago like everybody says here there's no such thing as a first cycle
i don't know what you meant about the free testosterone shot but if it's what I think you mean you're a sick bastard I won't be that kind of lady
 
Homoerotic Evo. :p

billy black said:
Should I started like halfway through my cycler is 12 weeks ok
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You'll never get a straight answer on it, everyone has their methods. Some people flat out don't use it. If you start it Week 3 at 250 iu 2x per week a 5000 IU vial will last you through if you're going to run it on cycle, which I prefer as it is actually suppressive in spite of aiding in a smoother recovery by not letting your balls go dormant for three months. If you are careful and good about handling the product after reconstitution, it will hold over that time and drop off in potency should actually be pretty minor.
 
gearhead said:
bro dont use hcg is poison extract of pregnant female urine! http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/
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davidr79 said:
Hcg is a good thing, but it's not really needed for a 12 week cycle.. I've never used it personally, but it's wise..


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billy black said:
Yeah but somebody sad it's not good for you and I read some stuff saying it isn't
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billy black said:
That's what I thought do you think I still need to replace HCG 5000 iu/amp With something else or should I just use it
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HCGenerate is a way healthier alternative to HCG. It is made of natural ingredients, and it is hella effective. Besides, it is oral, so you have an easier time just taking the pills instead of injecting yourself female urine. Also, add N2Guard as an organ support (especially for the liver), and you will be perfectly fine to go.
 
LevButlerov said:
HCGenerate is a way healthier alternative to HCG. It is made of natural ingredients, and it is hella effective. Besides, it is oral, so you have an easier time just taking the pills instead of injecting yourself female urine. Also, add N2Guard as an organ support (especially for the liver), and you will be perfectly fine to go.
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Yeah you're right it is a little more expensive to get HCGenerate but I like the idea of not having to injected maybe I'll get it next paycheck
 
I've been reading a lot and I've noticed there is a lot of benefits of the HCG and I can use 31 gauge needles to inject so that's not that bad I think I'm probably going to take it and save the money even if it is women's piss fuck it if she looks good I'll drink her piss
 
billy black said:
I've been reading a lot and I've noticed there is a lot of benefits of the HCG and I can use 31 gauge needles to inject so that's not that bad I think I'm probably going to take it and save the money even if it is women's piss fuck it if she looks good I'll drink her piss
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"... if she looks good I'll drink her piss..."
Billy, if I had a dollar every time I heard you say that LOL. Just kidding. Good luck, bro.
 
LevButlerov said:
HCGenerate is a way healthier alternative to HCG. It is made of natural ingredients, and it is hella effective. Besides, it is oral, so you have an easier time just taking the pills instead of injecting yourself female urine. Also, add N2Guard as an organ support (especially for the liver), and you will be perfectly fine to go.
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You've said this on two threads now and I'm very curious to see proof that HCG is and I quote from you, "poisonous". I have done a lot of research and read many clinical studies... there really isn't any empirical evidence documenting long term HCG use. However there are studies that document short term use, >16 weeks, as not being problematic to the testes, receptors and endocrine system. I have used HCG on cycle and it was great, zero issues. There was 100% a difference in the size of my nuts from when I was on test only to when I ran HCG + test. There was no comparision, HCG triggers your testes to produce while in a suppressed state.

Again, I'm not trying to prove you wrong and me right. I really just want to learn becuase its seems as though I've missed something....
 
scoopdaloop said:
You've said this on two threads now and I'm very curious to see proof that HCG is and I quote from you, "poisonous". I have done a lot of research and read many clinical studies... there really isn't any empirical evidence documenting long term HCG use. However there are studies that document short term use, >16 weeks, as not being problematic to the testes, receptors and endocrine system. I have used HCG on cycle and it was great, zero issues. There was 100% a difference in the size of my nuts from when I was on test only to when I ran HCG + test. There was no comparision, HCG triggers your testes to produce while in a suppressed state.

Again, I'm not trying to prove you wrong and me right. I really just want to learn becuase its seems as though I've missed something....
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I should add that there aren't any legitimate studies showing long term use of HCG for men, there are tons of women. HCG diet yo
 
Maybe another dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway i got 250mg/ml 10ml/vial of testosterone E and I got 3cc/ml 23g x 1" syringe so that means I need to take 1cc/ml to equal 250mg right or wrong
 
Yeah I thought so just figured I would ask thanks for the quick response my stuff should be here in a couple of days according to the tracking
 
Another update I got my shipment in yesterday did my first pin yesterday as well I think I might've pinned a little too low on my thigh didn't hurt at all when I did it but Today my leg hurts it feels like I tore a muscle other than that all good
 
billy black said:
Another update I got my shipment in yesterday did my first pin yesterday as well I think I might've pinned a little too low on my thigh didn't hurt at all when I did it but Today my leg hurts it feels like I tore a muscle other than that all good
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If its ur first time it will be sore. Probly for a couple days. Virgin muscle. It will get better
 
billy black said:
Okay I just read a few articles on the HCG I'm going to use it I think it's getting too complicated I think I need just stick to the original plan and I will be getting Tessbooster at the end thanks as far as the HCG should I get a smaller needle since I can stick it in my stomach
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You can use a slin pin for HCG and pin in belly fat
 
billy black said:
Yeah I thought so just figured I would ask thanks for the quick response my stuff should be here in a couple of days according to the tracking
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Put your hand on your leg with your finger tips touching the top of your knee. Then go one more hand length up from there and pin from the side of your leg. That's the spot. You may still get some pip your first time, just not as bad.
 
Yeah I'll try that I bought a heat pad I heard that helps I also heard heating up the liquid/testosterone then injecting it make it Spready easier because it's a Oil Any comments on that would be appreciated
 
When I first pinned my leg I was like how could anybody cry about that then the next day holy shit feel like I worked out legs for the first time ever
 
billy black said:
Yeah I'll try that I bought a heat pad I heard that helps I also heard heating up the liquid/testosterone then injecting it make it Spready easier because it's a Oil Any comments on that would be appreciated
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Hitting the right spot is important in my experience. Lots of nerves around your knee so if you go too low it's going to be piptastic.
 
Another quick update did my second pin yesterday I pinned it a little higher this time there still a little pain but barely any compared the first one

so I'm 2 pins Why am I not huge yet
 
I'm feeling good I don't think I feel the stuff yet I mean it's only been a week it'll probably be 3 to 4 weeks before I even feel any of it I'm working out a lot harder
 
Okay just another update if anybody's still listening or reading it's been about 22 days I'm feeling good I put on 10 pounds already but that's probably not the stuff that's me working out hard and eating a lot more my nuts have shrunk a very little bit not much though they are softer though so in about a week I'm going to start taking my HCG I haven't figured out the dosage yet. I'll post it and I'm sure somebody will help me out
 
okay I have 2 packs of 1ml amp - 5000IU + 1amp - water solution
What I need to know is how many units for 250iu twice a week
If that makes any sense to you and your help would be appreciated
 
scoopdaloop said:
You've said this on two threads now and I'm very curious to see proof that HCG is and I quote from you, "poisonous". I have done a lot of research and read many clinical studies... there really isn't any empirical evidence documenting long term HCG use. However there are studies that document short term use, >16 weeks, as not being problematic to the testes, receptors and endocrine system. I have used HCG on cycle and it was great, zero issues. There was 100% a difference in the size of my nuts from when I was on test only to when I ran HCG + test. There was no comparision, HCG triggers your testes to produce while in a suppressed state.

Again, I'm not trying to prove you wrong and me right. I really just want to learn becuase its seems as though I've missed something....
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No reply....hmmmm
 
Oh and another thing for anybody out there who has trouble tracking their medications and injections there's a great free app called pill reminder once you figure the App out you can set injection dates as well as date you want to start your PCT and it's all free and it reminds you to do it
 
I'm not really sure if you're talking about me saying it's poison or not but I have the stuff so I'm going to start taking it
 
billy black said:
okay I have 2 packs of 1ml amp - 5000IU + 1amp - water solution
What I need to know is how many units for 250iu twice a week
If that makes any sense to you and your help would be appreciated
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I'm assuming your water solution is 1 ML? If so 1ml = 5000iu. So 250iu is 0.05ml.
 
I think the Terumo's are sharper. Saw a study to that effect as well. Also, I draw with 21 and pin with 25. Really cuts down on the PIP in my opinion.
 
I'm sorry I tried to respond earlier but it wouldn't let me my phone was acting up the cycle is going great so far only 22 days in the biggest thing I notice is my nuts are starting to get soft and my sleep has been great
 
As far as the HCG 0.05 units can I even fit that in the syringe I'm sure I can but it seems like such a little amount but there is barely any water so
 
billy black said:
As far as the HCG 0.05 units can I even fit that in the syringe I'm sure I can but it seems like such a little amount but there is barely any water so
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That's what I meant by accurate dosing being easier with more water. Just buy some bacteriostatic water and use 2, 5, or 10 ml. It'll be much easier.
 
Alpha if I mix the hCG with 10ml what would the dose be thanks And just for an update I have one month left that's why I want to take the hCG to get the nuts going I guess but with one month still to go I've put on close to 25 pounds maybe not all muscle but mostly muscle with one month to go I'm going to start eating good for the last month or should I say eating better
 
OK I need help one more time I have 2 packs of 1ml amp - 5000IU + 1amp - water solution
It only comes with one amp water but I bought 30 mL of water what I need to know now what would be the units if I mix it with 10 mL of water for 250iu thanks again for any help
 
Thanks man I knew you'd help me out I hope you're right your math is probably better than mine and I hear a lot of people don't use it anyways but I want to since I got it
 
billy black said:
I'm not trying to be cheap but is there a alternative to HCGenerate since HCG is not good for me apparently I need HCGenerate but it's getting a little expensive and also is there an alternative to n2guard and I know somebody's going come on to say you can't be cheap when it comes to your health I understand I am just asking but is there any alternative that people have tried with the same results since apparently this is a pretty simple cycle and also how often I should take the HCGenerate thanks
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alternative for HCGenerate
alternative for N2Guard
 
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