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ALL sources are going to have problems - heck, even the actual pharmaceutical companies have problems. The key is what they do after the problem is found. PSL is replacing the bottle and telling everyone with any sludge in their bottles to come forward and let them know. That is awesome.
 
hurricane said:
contact psl and he will walk you through things. Their customers service is top notch
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Through their orders email address or via PM? I can't PM here because of my insufficient post count so if it's not the orders email, is there any other way to contact him? Thank you
 
PTPT said:
Come on my man, how did you order? That's how you contact him
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Well, I sent them an email to their orders@PSL address as I ordered directly on the website. Hope this is easy to resolve on my end. I guess I know why using the slower option on WU sucks, took I think 14 days before the payment was ready to be picked up.
 
DickySmalls said:
Well, I sent them an email to their orders@PSL address as I ordered directly on the website. Hope this is easy to resolve on my end. I guess I know why using the slower option on WU sucks, took I think 14 days before the payment was ready to be picked up.
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WOW 14 days, I don't know what you did but it's not right
 
DickySmalls said:
Well, I sent them an email to their orders@PSL address as I ordered directly on the website. Hope this is easy to resolve on my end. I guess I know why using the slower option on WU sucks, took I think 14 days before the payment was ready to be picked up.
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WOW 14 days, I don't know what you did but it's not right
 
boss302123 said:
WOW 14 days, I don't know what you did but it's not right
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WU Pay. Got stuck after the first few days so I had to call the bank then they sent it to WU after more waiting and then finally it was sent but not showing as received on their end until the 20th (ordered on the 6th).
 
Well if it makes you feel any better, I had to get my money back from them and it's really not that bad as long as you used your real info. Hopefully you won't need to get it back but if you do, act really mad and put off. They may just give you a discount coupon for your next transaction.
 
Yes, always act outraged and completely offended when dealing with WU and MG if they are trying to give you a run around. Say things like you do not enjoy being treated like a criminal, etc.
 
DickySmalls said:
WU Pay. Got stuck after the first few days so I had to call the bank then they sent it to WU after more waiting and then finally it was sent but not showing as received on their end until the 20th (ordered on the 6th).
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Brother...on the website it says to avoid WU for the time being as it has been a complete shit show lately. I hope you didn't try to use WU online as well....that could be the problem. Online transfers are more likely to get rejected or screwed up.
 
DickySmalls said:
WU Pay. Got stuck after the first few days so I had to call the bank then they sent it to WU after more waiting and then finally it was sent but not showing as received on their end until the 20th (ordered on the 6th).
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Brother...on the website it says to avoid WU for the time being as it has been a complete shit show lately. I hope you didn't try to use WU online as well....that could be the problem. Online transfers are more likely to get rejected or screwed up.
 
cybrsage said:
ALL sources are going to have problems - heck, even the actual pharmaceutical companies have problems. The key is what they do after the problem is found. PSL is replacing the bottle and telling everyone with any sludge in their bottles to come forward and let them know. That is awesome.
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This is nothing against PSl - or any lab for that matter - I'm just saying. but to say ALL sources are going to have problems - yes, I agree to some extent. issues with raws that cannot be foreseen, shipping, customer service -- but to bring sterilization issues into the picture is a whole other story. good god -- I mean, did blue bell say they were sorry and send you a free bucket of ice cream when people started getting sick? fuck no ... they shut that bitch down. and in regards to actual pharmaceutical companies -- shit like this really doesn't happen, man. if it does - atleast you can sue the fuck outta someone and actually get something. I'm not knocking any labs -- but for all we know- half this shit is being brewed in a fucking bathtub.

how do you just sweep some shit like this under the rug? yeah - they replacing the ones with any sludge in them - which means there are more than one. major fuckin problem!!! and what about the guy that hasn't read this thread -- and injects this shit!?!

for fuck sake ... this shit is okay with you people? really?? again -- I am completely aware of the game and arena we play in here - but some things are just not forgivable. these are people's lives being put in major jeopardy - and its okay because the fucking vials are being replaced and someone said they are sorry? this all happened because of a major fucking oversight --- that should have never fucking happened.
 
aestheticCurves said:
Brother...on the website it says to avoid WU for the time being as it has been a complete shit show lately. I hope you didn't try to use WU online as well....that could be the problem. Online transfers are more likely to get rejected or screwed up.
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It went through though, just waiting to be picked up. I did get an email from PSL today that says "PAYMENT DETAILS RECEIVED". Was I supposed to put the WU tracking number on their website? I sent it via email, maybe that was the issue?
 
whiteboystomp said:
how do you just sweep some shit like this under the rug? yeah - they replacing the ones with any sludge in them - which means there are more than one. major fuckin problem!!! and what about the guy that hasn't read this thread -- and injects this shit!?!

for fuck sake ... this shit is okay with you people? really?? again -- I am completely aware of the game and arena we play in here - but some things are just not forgivable. these are people's lives being put in major jeopardy - and its okay because the fucking vials are being replaced and someone said they are sorry? this all happened because of a major fucking oversight --- that should have never fucking happened.
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Sweeping it under the rug was not my intention. GlaxoSmithKline just shut down a plant after a routine monthly test found Legionnaire's Disease in its cooling system. They may have produced products there for an entire month before discovering the problem. They claim none of it got into the products and are not recalling them. The only reason they are shutting down the plant is because they cannot keep it running without the cooling system and they need to shut that down to clean it. Notice they say their products are just fine, trust them. Sure, you can sue them if you contract it while taking their products, but isn't that something which should not need to happen?

There does need to be some kind of internal review at PSL to make sure whatever caused this does not happen again. If it is something as simple as filters needing changed more often then they should really do that.
 
cybrsage said:
Sweeping it under the rug was not my intention. GlaxoSmithKline just shut down a plant after a routine monthly test found Legionnaire's Disease in its cooling system. They may have produced products there for an entire month before discovering the problem. They claim none of it got into the products and are not recalling them. The only reason they are shutting down the plant is because they cannot keep it running without the cooling system and they need to shut that down to clean it. Notice they say their products are just fine, trust them. Sure, you can sue them if you contract it while taking their products, but isn't that something which should not need to happen?

There does need to be some kind of internal review at PSL to make sure whatever caused this does not happen again. If it is something as simple as filters needing changed more often then they should really do that.
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fair enough ...

but like I said - in my book, some things are just not forgivable. you just have to get THAT/THOSE parts of the job done correctly- the first fuckin time. period. and proper filtration is one of them, bro. improper filtration means one of two things, or both.
1: you have no clue what you are doing
2: you don't fucking care.

and I don't know which one is more dangerous - that's the scary part.

so why even fuck with shit like this when there are so many other options available. THATS MY FUCKING POINT. we are already gambling enough with ugl's - but why really step out on the ledge with one that has made such a profound mistake.

sorry PSL ... just calling it like I see it.
 
P.S.L. said:
WE APOLOGIZE FOR THIS MISHAP !!



WE ARE NOT AT LIBERTY TO DISCUSS ANY MORE "MANUFACTURING EVENTUAL ERRORS" MATTERS - BESIDES SUCH DISCUSSIONS WOULD ONLY BRING CHAOS IN THIS ISSUE/SUBJECT. - DUE TO FORUM NATURE OF THIS TOPIC.

ALL EVENTUAL SIMILAR REPORTS-CLAIMS WILL BE TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION and RECTIFIED (needs pics. for verification obviously)

ALL SIMILAR REPORTS NEED TO BE REPORTED AT: [email protected]

WE WILL CLARIFY AND FIX ALL THE VERIFIED CASES.
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Bullshit!!! Not at liberty to discuss manufacturing errors. People are injecting your mishaps in to there bodies. if its contaminated gear man up and admit it. Seems you want to b**** it under the carpet to me. And such discussions dont bring chaos to the issue, more like you dont want members aware of the issue.
 
Hate to say it but I agree with whiteboystomp... This is not meant to offend or upset anyone but this is a major issue that cannot be over looked. On to of that, someone went on to say it is still good to inject??? Sure it may be one slip up and things could go on 100% no issues from here but this is something I would have difficulty over coming in my eyes. Obviously people here have had great experiences but... Just My 02 cents
 
whiteboystomp said:
fair enough ...

but like I said - in my book, some things are just not forgivable. you just have to get THAT/THOSE parts of the job done correctly- the first fuckin time. period. and proper filtration is one of them, bro. improper filtration means one of two things, or both.
1: you have no clue what you are doing
2: you don't fucking care.

and I don't know which one is more dangerous - that's the scary part.

so why even fuck with shit like this when there are so many other options available. THATS MY FUCKING POINT. we are already gambling enough with ugl's - but why really step out on the ledge with one that has made such a profound mistake.

sorry PSL ... just calling it like I see it.
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I completely understand your point. You did miss a third option - a shitty employee who claimed he changed the filters but did not actually do it. One who would have been fired immediately after this was brought to light. Not sure of PSL being able to talk about that - employment issues are a touchy subject depending on where you live and are employed. Definitely the person who said it should still be used needs to be either removed or chastised so severely they will never do something like that again.

I notice no one is saying they will never use any product from GlaxoSmithKline, even though they did not recall any of the products made at a plant contaminated with Legionnaires Disease. People are just accepting that wind currents do not exist and/or airborne diseases do not travel via the air, therefor none of their products made in a contaminated plant could possibly have been contaminated. Consistency is what I would expect from people - contamination is contamination, after all.

I would certainly give my bottles a double check - and I have some that I will double check. I am also not going to stop using GlaxoSmithKline products. I believe all companies have production mistakes that contaminate their products and as long as the company works to fix the cause of the contamination quickly and takes steps to make sure it does not happen again (to the highest level possible), then I am fine with still using the company.

I also have no problem buying a Honda, even though they had a sticking accelerator problem that actually killed people. Do you all refuse to buy Honda's as well. Are you consistent in your view? Just something to think about. I respect the view to not use PSL because of this, even though I do not understand it in light of all the other companies who have actually killed people with their products but you have no problem buying.
 
whiteboystomp said:
fair enough ...

but like I said - in my book, some things are just not forgivable. you just have to get THAT/THOSE parts of the job done correctly- the first fuckin time. period. and proper filtration is one of them, bro. improper filtration means one of two things, or both.
1: you have no clue what you are doing
2: you don't fucking care.

and I don't know which one is more dangerous - that's the scary part.

so why even fuck with shit like this when there are so many other options available. THATS MY FUCKING POINT. we are already gambling enough with ugl's - but why really step out on the ledge with one that has made such a profound mistake.

sorry PSL ... just calling it like I see it.
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I completely understand your point. You did miss a third option - a shitty employee who claimed he changed the filters but did not actually do it. One who would have been fired immediately after this was brought to light. Not sure of PSL being able to talk about that - employment issues are a touchy subject depending on where you live and are employed. Definitely the person who said it should still be used needs to be either removed or chastised so severely they will never do something like that again.

I notice no one is saying they will never use any product from GlaxoSmithKline, even though they did not recall any of the products made at a plant contaminated with Legionnaires Disease. People are just accepting that wind currents do not exist and/or airborne diseases do not travel via the air, therefor none of their products made in a contaminated plant could possibly have been contaminated. Consistency is what I would expect from people - contamination is contamination, after all.

I would certainly give my bottles a double check - and I have some that I will double check. I am also not going to stop using GlaxoSmithKline products. I believe all companies have production mistakes that contaminate their products and as long as the company works to fix the cause of the contamination quickly and takes steps to make sure it does not happen again (to the highest level possible), then I am fine with still using the company.

I also have no problem buying a Honda, even though they had a sticking accelerator problem that actually killed people. Do you all refuse to buy Honda's as well. Are you consistent in your view? Just something to think about. I respect the view to not use PSL because of this, even though I do not understand it in light of all the other companies who have actually killed people with their products but you have no problem buying.
 
-SD- said:
From what i know if you sent the money and tracking says its ready for pick up and its been so long then either they havent tried to pick it up yet or they tried to pick it up and the whole thing was flagged by MG/WU or they had to show ID and opted not to and leave or something
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Indeed - both institutions mentioned are coming thru some really ridiculous problems or SERIOUS changes that can piss off EVERYONE ...
We're pretty serious about all related matters (Nothing fake used obviously used on our end)
 
I hear what you are saying ... and you make valid points -- valid points about "above ground" businesses. That, in theory, have some sort of governing oversight.

Who is the governing oversight of an underground market --- WE ARE!! and as a part of this oversight that cares about other people, as well as myself, I have pretty much zero tolerance for shit like this - and am compelled to say something when it happens.
 
I do respect that whiteboystomp. We have completely opposite views on this, but I can fully understand why you hold yours. I too am curious about what caused the issue, that way I know how easy it is for it to be fixed. Was it an overused filter? Sounds very likely. Is it that all filters are pushed to the limit and this one simply failed sooner than expected? Was it actually run past its recommended change date? What will be done to make sure it does not happen again? Those things will put some people's minds at ease. Obviously not yours, but still, I am sure you would like to know what the actual cause was.
 
cybrsage said:
Yes, always act outraged and completely offended when dealing with WU and MG if they are trying to give you a run around. Say things like you do not enjoy being treated like a criminal, etc.
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Pretty good point !! Acting mad is your right Guys ! - Simply because "those clerks" are very often lazy/retarded and simply don't give a damn. Most often , when the issue is unclear - they just ignore You , by stating usual "clerk BS"
 
cybrsage said:
I completely understand your point. You did miss a third option - a shitty employee who claimed he changed the filters but did not actually do it. One who would have been fired immediately after this was brought to light. Not sure of PSL being able to talk about that - employment issues are a touchy subject depending on where you live and are employed. Definitely the person who said it should still be used needs to be either removed or chastised so severely they will never do something like that again.

I notice no one is saying they will never use any product from GlaxoSmithKline, even though they did not recall any of the products made at a plant contaminated with Legionnaires Disease. People are just accepting that wind currents do not exist and/or airborne diseases do not travel via the air, therefor none of their products made in a contaminated plant could possibly have been contaminated. Consistency is what I would expect from people - contamination is contamination, after all.

I would certainly give my bottles a double check - and I have some that I will double check. I am also not going to stop using GlaxoSmithKline products. I believe all companies have production mistakes that contaminate their products and as long as the company works to fix the cause of the contamination quickly and takes steps to make sure it does not happen again (to the highest level possible), then I am fine with still using the company.

I also have no problem buying a Honda, even though they had a sticking accelerator problem that actually killed people. Do you all refuse to buy Honda's as well. Are you consistent in your view? Just something to think about. I respect the view to not use PSL because of this, even though I do not understand it in light of all the other companies who have actually killed people with their products but you have no problem buying.
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Its was Toyota that had the sticky gas pedal. But I get the point.
 
aestheticcurves said:
brother...on the website it says to avoid wu for the time being as it has been a complete shit show lately. I hope you didn't try to use wu online as well....that could be the problem. Online transfers are more likely to get rejected or screwed up.
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precisely !!
 
P.S.L. said:
Pretty good point !! Acting mad is your right Guys ! - Simply because "those clerks" are very often lazy/retarded and simply don't give a damn. Most often , when the issue is unclear - they just ignore You , by stating usual "clerk BS"
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funny you say all that ... kinda resembles the way you've handled this entire debacle
 
Bro just accept the new vial and move on, mistakes happen. PsL has some damn good quality products, they made a minor mistake in which they apologized for, get the new vial, test it, move on
 
MikeSnow said:
Bro just accept the new vial and move on, mistakes happen. PsL has some damn good quality products, they made a minor mistake in which they apologized for, get the new vial, test it, move on
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a minor mistake ... really?? minor? manufacturing and distributing a blatantly unsafe product?? what do you call a major mistake??

I'm not gonna stay on this subject anymore, because I've made my point --- but since you said it- I am truly interested in what you feel is a MAJOR mistake, bro?? seriously.

I await your direct response to that direct question...
 
Stalkerdog said:
Bullshit!!! Not at liberty to discuss manufacturing errors. People are injecting your mishaps in to there bodies. if its contaminated gear man up and admit it. Seems you want to b**** it under the carpet to me. And such discussions dont bring chaos to the issue, more like you dont want members aware of the issue.
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This is PRECISELY the Chaos we mentioned. What will exact explanationS help in this matter ... at this point ? Only the manufacturer knowS exactly what's up.

We never said that this issued vial is G2G for injecting 100% ! We meant that this issues vial is not a threat in any way to your health !

NOT CONTAMINATED ! THIS VIAL CAN BE SENT OUT TO OUR US BASED TESTER ANYTIME FOR COMPLETE VERIFICATION AND CONFIRMATION.

WE APOLOGIZE FOR THIS MATTER OFCOURSE , CAUSE THE PRODUCT "SEEMS" TO BE CONTAMINATED - THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.
(THE PG CHEMICALS USED IN PRODUCTION WOULD NEVER LET ANY KIND OF HEALTH ISSUES)

ANYONE USING PG/UGL OR ANY OTHER MED - ALWAYS LOOKS AT IT BEFORE USING - RIGHT ?

THE OP DID JUST THAT AND REPORTED - RIGHT ?

WE'LL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO FIX THE ISSUE RIGHT AWAY AND CLARIFY THE MATTER FURTHER.
 
A piece of advice from someone with a lot of experience with WU/MG. Do Not get mad at them because no one can do anything about a flag or a name lockout. Throwing a fit will simply draw more attention to yourself, and in this business you definitely dont want that. What if you put up a stink and they say this can all get cleared up by calling the receiver/payer? Or they want you on the phone with their fraud department for some "friendly questions".
Unless your source is your best buddy from school then you are SOL on that one and will have to walk away. You dont want to stand out at all when doing these WU/MG transactions. If theres a problem with the transaction simply ask what the problem is, either the clerk knows or they dont (and they dont give a shit) and no amount of anger will change anything. If you used your real name you can get a refund with your ID, otherwise youre gonna have to eat the money if its a name thats flagged for money laundering transactions.
As the old saying goes, dont send money you cant afford to lose. Or use your real name and ID in case the whole thing is flagged and halted. Or use different methods of payment (Cash in mail, bitcoin etc)
 
A piece of advice from someone with a lot of experience with WU/MG. Do Not get mad at them because no one can do anything about a flag or a name lockout. Throwing a fit will simply draw more attention to yourself, and in this business you definitely dont want that. What if you put up a stink and they say this can all get cleared up by calling the receiver/payer? Or they want you on the phone with their fraud department for some "friendly questions".
Unless your source is your best buddy from school then you are SOL on that one and will have to walk away. You dont want to stand out at all when doing these WU/MG transactions. If theres a problem with the transaction simply ask what the problem is, either the clerk knows or they dont (and they dont give a shit) and no amount of anger will change anything. If you used your real name you can get a refund with your ID, otherwise youre gonna have to eat the money if its a name thats flagged for money laundering transactions.
As the old saying goes, dont send money you cant afford to lose. Or use your real name and ID in case the whole thing is flagged and halted. Or use different methods of payment (Cash in mail, bitcoin etc)
 
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Guys if I may chime in here I think i know what this is. If they use filters, each filter has a volume it can filter before its maxed out. If they are saying "Hormone sludge" that is exactly what is the build up inside the filters when used (not just horomone but oil, BB/BA etc build up) and if a filter is continued to be used passed the max limit then the sludge will get into the finished vials as seen here. They could have ran out of filters and over used the filters, or it was a simple oversight on the max volume on the filters used, etc
But thats exactly what is sounds like they are saying and exactly what it looks like from here
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Hmm that's interesting but would make sense
 
whiteboystomp said:
I own 2 Toyotas ... fuck, how am I gonna get to work tomorrow?!?


bwaaaa haaaaa haaaaa
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THANK YOU Drama queen.

ANy further input (rather forced flamind the issue) won't be addressed by Us any more - Sorry.


We've apologized and promissed to RECTIFY this issue in a Professional Manner - Not like PG companies that had similar issues (that only covered the problem with TON of money)

The problemative vial is a Problem obviously , but NOT a health threat in any way ! (we'll prove that by asking OP to send it to our US based product tester)

Never said "shut up and pin it" - we aknowledged the problem right away and offered a professional resolution.

If you have a proof of ANY kind of company that never had a similar product situation - PLEASE - ENLIGHT US ALL HERE - PLEASE !!!
 
-SD- said:
A piece of advice from someone with a lot of experience with WU/MG. Do Not get mad at them because no one can do anything about a flag or a name lockout. Throwing a fit will simply draw more attention to yourself, and in this business you definitely dont want that. What if you put up a stink and they say this can all get cleared up by calling the receiver/payer? Or they want you on the phone with their fraud department for some "friendly questions".
Unless your source is your best buddy from school then you are SOL on that one and will have to walk away. You dont want to stand out at all when doing these WU/MG transactions. If theres a problem with the transaction simply ask what the problem is, either the clerk knows or they dont (and they dont give a shit) and no amount of anger will change anything. If you used your real name you can get a refund with your ID, otherwise youre gonna have to eat the money if its a name thats flagged for money laundering transactions.
As the old saying goes, dont send money you cant afford to lose. Or use your real name and ID in case the whole thing is flagged and halted. Or use different methods of payment (Cash in mail, bitcoin etc)
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If you were referring to me, I'm not mad at PSL or WU. Just have no idea what's going on as their email support has been a bit lacking. I sent them an email when the payment was ready for pickup and they said:

"HI

thank you for update"

then 5 days later I get one of those PSL official emails (with the banner) that says "[PSL] Incorrect payment details" so I login to the website and post a reply there directly with the tracking number and details. This morning I get an email that says "[PSL] Payment details received" so I'm not sure exactly what's going on at the moment.
 
DickySmalls said:
If you were referring to me, I'm not mad at PSL or WU. Just have no idea what's going on as their email support has been a bit lacking. I sent them an email when the payment was ready for pickup and they said:

"HI

thank you for update"

then 5 days later I get one of those PSL official emails (with the banner) that says "[PSL] Incorrect payment details" so I login to the website and post a reply there directly with the tracking number and details. This morning I get an email that says "[PSL] Payment details received" so I'm not sure exactly what's going on at the moment.
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Im just giving out general advice
 
P.S.L. said:
THANK YOU Drama queen.

ANy further input (rather forced flamind the issue) won't be addressed by Us any more - Sorry.


We've apologized and promissed to RECTIFY this issue in a Professional Manner - Not like PG companies that had similar issues (that only covered the problem with TON of money)

The problemative vial is a Problem obviously , but NOT a health threat in any way ! (we'll prove that by asking OP to send it to our US based product tester)

Never said "shut up and pin it" - we aknowledged the problem right away and offered a professional resolution.

If you have a proof of ANY kind of company that never had a similar product situation - PLEASE - ENLIGHT US ALL HERE - PLEASE !!!
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Proof of no product problems? The fuck? Is that even possible? The only proof I have of ugl's that I haven't product issues from could only be the empty vials i threw out.from the ugl's I haven't had problems from.because I don't use ugl's that to my knowledge dispense product with globules of shit in them. If I did, or had, I would denounce the shit out of them. I would let everyone know they shouldn't use them. They are unsafe. But it would start with me not buying into the countless bullshit reviews posted on here about you.from god knows how many 0 and 1 post "shills" that were sent here to do so.

Don't be pissed off at me for calling out your fuck up,man. That's talks job-yiu fucked it up, and should be fired just like everyone else in the real world. Sorry...but as far as i'm concerned I would hope that you just committed evo suicide -just like you have at so money other places -before someone gets hurt and/or ripped off-unclez ass muthaf**ker.

I'm done with this shit-best wishes to everyone Rollin PSL.


Peace out!!
 
P.S.L. said:
THANK YOU Drama queen.

ANy further input (rather forced flamind the issue) won't be addressed by Us any more - Sorry.


We've apologized and promissed to RECTIFY this issue in a Professional Manner - Not like PG companies that had similar issues (that only covered the problem with TON of money)

The problemative vial is a Problem obviously , but NOT a health threat in any way ! (we'll prove that by asking OP to send it to our US based product tester)

Never said "shut up and pin it" - we aknowledged the problem right away and offered a professional resolution.

If you have a proof of ANY kind of company that never had a similar product situation - PLEASE - ENLIGHT US ALL HERE - PLEASE !!!
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Proof of no product problems? The fuck? Is that even possible? The only proof I have of ugl's that I haven't product issues from could only be the empty vials i threw out.from the ugl's I haven't had problems from.because I don't use ugl's that to my knowledge dispense product with globules of shit in them. If I did, or had, I would denounce the shit out of them. I would let everyone know they shouldn't use them. They are unsafe. But it would start with me not buying into the countless bullshit reviews posted on here about you.from god knows how many 0 and 1 post "shills" that were sent here to do so.

Don't be pissed off at me for calling out your fuck up,man. That's talks job-yiu fucked it up, and should be fired just like everyone else in the real world. Sorry...but as far as i'm concerned I would hope that you just committed evo suicide -just like you have at so money other places -before someone gets hurt and/or ripped off-unclez ass muthaf**ker.

I'm done with this shit-best wishes to everyone Rollin PSL.


Peace out!!
 
I hear everyones input and I was gonna grab some goodies from PSL, but not in a million yrs would I now. I totally miss the days in 80's early 90's when everything was pharma grade and super potent awesomeness with no question what you had, period.......
 
ski1717 said:
I hear everyones input and I was gonna grab some goodies from PSL, but not in a million yrs would I now. I totally miss the days in 80's early 90's when everything was pharma grade and super potent awesomeness with no question what you had, period.......
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I feel like I'm thread hijacking so much in here but I'm new/curious and don't know where the best places to post my questions would be (or if the mods would get mad at me posting so many threads). Anyway, is this a bad time to be getting into AAS? I saw on the source reviews page that there were like 2 or 3 companies that were listed as "This source is no longer approved on evo".
 
DickySmalls said:
I feel like I'm thread hijacking so much in here but I'm new/curious and don't know where the best places to post my questions would be (or if the mods would get mad at me posting so many threads). Anyway, is this a bad time to be getting into AAS? I saw on the source reviews page that there were like 2 or 3 companies that were listed as "This source is no longer approved on evo".
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Theres rules for operating on Evo, if they violate the rules the get banned, thats all. I think other boards have this also no big deal and is good for the boards if you ask me.
 
DickySmalls said:
I feel like I'm thread hijacking so much in here but I'm new/curious and don't know where the best places to post my questions would be (or if the mods would get mad at me posting so many threads). Anyway, is this a bad time to be getting into AAS? I saw on the source reviews page that there were like 2 or 3 companies that were listed as "This source is no longer approved on evo".
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Theres rules for operating on Evo, if they violate the rules the get banned, thats all. I think other boards have this also no big deal and is good for the boards if you ask me.
 
-SD- said:
Theres rules for operating on Evo, if they violate the rules the get banned, thats all. I think other boards have this also no big deal and is good for the boards if you ask me.
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Is this the most popular forum? When I first came here I saw like 5000 users online. That's like twice as many users as the computer hardware forum I browse every day.
 
DickySmalls said:
Is this the most popular forum? When I first came here I saw like 5000 users online. That's like twice as many users as the computer hardware forum I browse every day.
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It's definitely a major one...
 
-SD- said:
A piece of advice from someone with a lot of experience with WU/MG. Do Not get mad at them because no one can do anything about a flag or a name lockout. Throwing a fit will simply draw more attention to yourself, and in this business you definitely dont want that. What if you put up a stink and they say this can all get cleared up by calling the receiver/payer? Or they want you on the phone with their fraud department for some "friendly questions".
Unless your source is your best buddy from school then you are SOL on that one and will have to walk away. You dont want to stand out at all when doing these WU/MG transactions. If theres a problem with the transaction simply ask what the problem is, either the clerk knows or they dont (and they dont give a shit) and no amount of anger will change anything. If you used your real name you can get a refund with your ID, otherwise youre gonna have to eat the money if its a name thats flagged for money laundering transactions.
As the old saying goes, dont send money you cant afford to lose. Or use your real name and ID in case the whole thing is flagged and halted. Or use different methods of payment (Cash in mail, bitcoin etc)
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To be honest - Most of your INPUT is Legit and reasonable - shows your EXPERIENCE/KNOWLEDGE quite a BIT !! SD.

But i'm afraid that its rather IMPOSSIBLE to Narrow it down as u expect on given matters.

Like we said - The vial (or few evantual vials) in question are absolutely not a threat in ANY way to once HEALTH - in ANY WAY !

But OBVIOUSLY this issue demand CLARIFICATION and recompensation to OP.


Also , as to mentioned $$ companies - they became a REAL MESS lately obviously .....

We never said to be abusive or similar towards them - We assured that each member should CLEARLY demand FULL CLARIFICATION and Professional service from them.

Simply cause when the CENTRAL/WORLDWIDE System has issues - it's not a problem of a retail customer (Retail customer is never under any kind of inspection or anything like that)

Retail customer of mentioned SERVICES is never at ANY Risk!

The whole messy problems are caused by the CENTRAL SYSTEM and a TON of Clerks that are less then perfect (or most often being lazy and ignorant)

RESPECT to your Knowledge anyways - BIG TIME !
 
-SD- said:
A piece of advice from someone with a lot of experience with WU/MG. Do Not get mad at them because no one can do anything about a flag or a name lockout. Throwing a fit will simply draw more attention to yourself, and in this business you definitely dont want that. What if you put up a stink and they say this can all get cleared up by calling the receiver/payer? Or they want you on the phone with their fraud department for some "friendly questions".
Unless your source is your best buddy from school then you are SOL on that one and will have to walk away. You dont want to stand out at all when doing these WU/MG transactions. If theres a problem with the transaction simply ask what the problem is, either the clerk knows or they dont (and they dont give a shit) and no amount of anger will change anything. If you used your real name you can get a refund with your ID, otherwise youre gonna have to eat the money if its a name thats flagged for money laundering transactions.
As the old saying goes, dont send money you cant afford to lose. Or use your real name and ID in case the whole thing is flagged and halted. Or use different methods of payment (Cash in mail, bitcoin etc)
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To be honest - Most of your INPUT is Legit and reasonable - shows your EXPERIENCE/KNOWLEDGE quite a BIT !! SD.

But i'm afraid that its rather IMPOSSIBLE to Narrow it down as u expect on given matters.

Like we said - The vial (or few evantual vials) in question are absolutely not a threat in ANY way to once HEALTH - in ANY WAY !

But OBVIOUSLY this issue demand CLARIFICATION and recompensation to OP.


Also , as to mentioned $$ companies - they became a REAL MESS lately obviously .....

We never said to be abusive or similar towards them - We assured that each member should CLEARLY demand FULL CLARIFICATION and Professional service from them.

Simply cause when the CENTRAL/WORLDWIDE System has issues - it's not a problem of a retail customer (Retail customer is never under any kind of inspection or anything like that)

Retail customer of mentioned SERVICES is never at ANY Risk!

The whole messy problems are caused by the CENTRAL SYSTEM and a TON of Clerks that are less then perfect (or most often being lazy and ignorant)

RESPECT to your Knowledge anyways - BIG TIME !
 
P.S.L. said:
To be honest - Most of your INPUT is Legit and reasonable - shows your EXPERIENCE/KNOWLEDGE quite a BIT !! SD.

But i'm afraid that its rather IMPOSSIBLE to Narrow it down as u expect on given matters.

Like we said - The vial (or few evantual vials) in question are absolutely not a threat in ANY way to once HEALTH - in ANY WAY !

But OBVIOUSLY this issue demand CLARIFICATION and recompensation to OP.


Also , as to mentioned $$ companies - they became a REAL MESS lately obviously .....

We never said to be abusive or similar towards them - We assured that each member should CLEARLY demand FULL CLARIFICATION and Professional service from them.

Simply cause when the CENTRAL/WORLDWIDE System has issues - it's not a problem of a retail customer (Retail customer is never under any kind of inspection or anything like that)

Retail customer of mentioned SERVICES is never at ANY Risk!

The whole messy problems are caused by the CENTRAL SYSTEM and a TON of Clerks that are less then perfect (or most often being lazy and ignorant)

RESPECT to your Knowledge anyways - BIG TIME !
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SD definitely has great experience with type stuff.
 
P.S.L. said:
THANK YOU Drama queen.

ANy further input (rather forced flamind the issue) won't be addressed by Us any more - Sorry.


We've apologized and promissed to RECTIFY this issue in a Professional Manner - Not like PG companies that had similar issues (that only covered the problem with TON of money)

The problemative vial is a Problem obviously , but NOT a health threat in any way ! (we'll prove that by asking OP to send it to our US based product tester)

Never said "shut up and pin it" - we aknowledged the problem right away and offered a professional resolution.

If you have a proof of ANY kind of company that never had a similar product situation - PLEASE - ENLIGHT US ALL HERE - PLEASE !!!
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does op wish to send this out for testing? that would be nice if he would... would make your word of non contamination go along ways,, but the safest thing would be to just replace it at this point and i know you will do that.

op any interest in getting this vial tested?
 
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hurricane said:
does op wish to send this out for testing? that would be nice if he would... would make your word of non contamination go along ways,, but the safest thing would be to just replace it at this point and i know you will do that.

op any interest in getting this vial tested?
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If I were him I'd test it out in one of my quads. What's the worst that could happen - leg amputation? Doesn't sound that bad if you look at the positives. Leg day would be 50% easier and you'd get the best parking spot, every day. Honestly though, should get that thing tested.
 
hurricane said:
does op wish to send this out for testing? that would be nice if he would... would make your word of non contamination go along ways,, but the safest thing would be to just replace it at this point and i know you will do that.

op any interest in getting this vial tested?
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He would be giving it back to them and then he/we have to believe that he really got it tested and that they are not just making something up.
 
hurricane said:
does op wish to send this out for testing? that would be nice if he would... would make your word of non contamination go along ways,, but the safest thing would be to just replace it at this point and i know you will do that.

op any interest in getting this vial tested?
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He would be giving it back to them and then he/we have to believe that he really got it tested and that they are not just making something up.
 
hurricane said:
does op wish to send this out for testing? that would be nice if he would... would make your word of non contamination go along ways,, but the safest thing would be to just replace it at this point and i know you will do that.

op any interest in getting this vial tested?
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Bro, I threw that vial out when they said they were sending a replacement. I didn't even want to chance getting it mixed up and accidentally injecting from it. There is another guy that had commented on this thread with the same issue and is also getting a replacement. Pm him and see if he still has his and see if he wants out tested. Honestly, his vial looked much worse than mine did from the pictures. I think if it's treated it needs to be a third party testing it.

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whiteboystomp said:
a minor mistake ... really?? minor? manufacturing and distributing a blatantly unsafe product?? what do you call a major mistake??
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How do you know it is unsafe? It has something that is normally filtered out, but that something is not automatically unsafe - it just makes it unusable. I get coffee grounds in my coffee sometimes when it should be filtered out, that does not make my coffee unsafe, just not usable.

You are willing to risk your life by accepting that Toyota fixed their problem that actively killed people and promised it will never happen again, but unwilling to use PSL after a safe but simply unusable product was shipped. Shows you are consistent with your beliefs and views and other people should follow them because they are based on consistently used logic...
 
Nobodys slamming anyone, Im just giving out the best advice for MG/WU transactions based on my extensive experience
 
GainzTrain said:
Bro, I threw that vial out when they said they were sending a replacement. I didn't even want to chance getting it mixed up and accidentally injecting from it. There is another guy that had commented on this thread with the same issue and is also getting a replacement. Pm him and see if he still has his and see if he wants out tested. Honestly, his vial looked much worse than mine did from the pictures. I think if it's treated it needs to be a third party testing it.

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Are third party would be one of the only ways that might work
 
I know man but as a source I wanted to make clear im not dissing another source and would expect the same
 
-SD- said:
I know man but as a source I wanted to make clear im not dissing another source and would expect the same
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Much respect to your professionalism and feedback. We all work as team.
 
GainzTrain said:
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have found some nasty looking brown sludge in the bottom of 1 out of my 3 psl Euro pharmacies test e. I did contact psl, with pictures, first and here was their response.

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As you can see they have offered to replace my vial if that's what I want. So, I'm not trying to bash psl and say they haven't offered to rectify the situation.

I have had 3 other people contact me and say they have the same problem. I have never heard in my experience of anyone talking about "pure hormone sludge" nor will I personally inject any brown "hormone sludge" into my body, no matter how potent this sludge is. I just want everyone to be aware of this issue with some of psl's test e.

Please, if anyone else has ever heard of "pure hormone sludge" by all means let me know.

Like I said, I want to reiterate the fact that psl has offered to reship a new vial but I just want the community to be aware of this.

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I've seen that many times with underground lab gear. What it is is that the bottle is not sterile and has a thin film of dust inside. When they fill the bottle the dirt slowly settles to the bottom. That's why I always use human grade pharmaceutical or veterinary gear.

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-SD- said:
Nobodys slamming anyone, Im just giving out the best advice for MG/WU transactions based on my extensive experience
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I only get angry with them when they start to give the run around and it is my last resort. Like you said, it is best to stay professional, but firm.
 
Stalkerdog said:
sources getting banned for less, so should be
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Is this the first mistake from this brand, PSL? Someone reference the recall part that Toyota had and that brand corrected their issue. No one called to have Toyota expelled out of the US, why? Because they have a history of great product and service. Prior to this incident, wasn't PSL rated almost at 5 stars and comments said great product and service.

Brands will always have an issue or two from time to time. If we ban them all, we won't have any sources here at all with a proven track history of great service and product.

Frank
 
IwantToGetBig.Frank said:
Is this the first mistake from this brand, PSL? Someone reference the recall part that Toyota had and that brand corrected their issue. No one called to have Toyota expelled out of the US, why? Because they have a history of great product and service. Prior to this incident, wasn't PSL rated almost at 5 stars and comments said great product and service.

Brands will always have an issue or two from time to time. If we ban them all, we won't have any sources here at all with a proven track history of great service and product.

Frank
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To my knowledge, a single strike can get a source banned. They are rated 5/5 here with 103 reviews but other highly rated sources have been banned on here so the rules are pretty strict. Either way, I don't think it's that easy of a decision for the moderators because they don't truly know whether or not PSL's response was correct, that is, that the vials' contents are 100% safe and usable.
 
IwantToGetBig.Frank said:
Is this the first mistake from this brand, PSL? Someone reference the recall part that Toyota had and that brand corrected their issue. No one called to have Toyota expelled out of the US, why? Because they have a history of great product and service. Prior to this incident, wasn't PSL rated almost at 5 stars and comments said great product and service.

Brands will always have an issue or two from time to time. If we ban them all, we won't have any sources here at all with a proven track history of great service and product.

Frank
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Toyota also did not put out a statement after the problem was found that said our car are 100% safe to drive. We are not saying that they should stop being a source or stop manufacturering, they have a new strick set of rules and with that everyone has to be on there best behavior.
 
IwantToGetBig.Frank said:
Is this the first mistake from this brand, PSL? Someone reference the recall part that Toyota had and that brand corrected their issue. No one called to have Toyota expelled out of the US, why? Because they have a history of great product and service. Prior to this incident, wasn't PSL rated almost at 5 stars and comments said great product and service.

Brands will always have an issue or two from time to time. If we ban them all, we won't have any sources here at all with a proven track history of great service and product.

Frank
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Completely agreed frank. All i am saying is rules are rules.. As i said others have been banned. Yet psl are still here. Or is it now a case of pick and choose who can fuck up and who cant.
 
boss302123 said:
Toyota also did not put out a statement after the problem was found that said our car are 100% safe to drive. We are not saying that they should stop being a source or stop manufacturering, they have a new strick set of rules and with that everyone has to be on there best behavior.
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I must of missed the new policy on beat behavior. That being said, I don't think the team at EVO has a one strike and you're out policy.

Sometimes people will join in and stump on a source for a mistake which may help get them banned and that's not going to help any of us on here. The grass isn't usually greener on the other side.

Again, I'm not 100% sure how PSL responded to all issues and that should be a factor in judging them, but I'm leaving that up to Team EVO.

Frank
 
IwantToGetBig.Frank said:
I must of missed the new policy on beat behavior. That being said, I don't think the team at EVO has a one strike and you're out policy.

Sometimes people will join in and stump on a source for a mistake which may help get them banned and that's not going to help any of us on here. The grass isn't usually greener on the other side.

Again, I'm not 100% sure how PSL responded to all issues and that should be a factor in judging them, but I'm leaving that up to Team EVO.

Frank
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Appreciate that.. We're going what we can to keep everyone happy and safe.. And thats no easy task with so much stuff going on.. But believe we're always listening and working things out.
 
NY REBEL said:
Appreciate that.. We're going what we can to keep everyone happy and safe.. And thats no easy task with so much stuff going on.. But believe we're always listening and working things out.
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Agreed^^^

And I believe in the EVO family sticking up for all of us. I'm just saying to be careful in suggesting to ban everyone since that can be a factor in a brand getting banned.

I personally believe a Brandt's history must be a factor but also how they responded to their opportunity should be a factor as well. That's just my option and it doesn't mean is right either.

Frank
 
IwantToGetBig.Frank said:
Agreed^^^

And I believe in the EVO family sticking up for all of us. I'm just saying to be careful in suggesting to ban everyone since that can be a factor in a brand getting banned.

I personally believe a Brandt's history must be a factor but also how they responded to their opportunity should be a factor as well. That's just my option and it doesn't mean is right either.

Frank
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Agree'd. Banning a source can't be so black and white. There are other things to be taken into consideration.
 
No banning a source should not and can not be black and white. There are no doubt many things to factor in when its up for discussion. One thing that desperately needs to happen is a set in stone set of source rules. Not this fly by night make it up as we go shit. Accountability starts at the top guys, set a good example. Get us all on the same page. Just an excellent place to start once we move forward from this debacle, most assuredly there will be more to come.
 
stilwtr74 said:
No banning a source should not and can not be black and white. There are no doubt many things to factor in when its up for discussion. One thing that desperately needs to happen is a set in stone set of source rules. Not this fly by night make it up as we go shit. Accountability starts at the top guys, set a good example. Get us all on the same page. Just an excellent place to start once we move forward from this debacle, most assuredly there will be more to come.
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I agree, and we as staff , that's why things are Changing.. Is going take time but in the near future things will be much clearer.
 
Honestly this is just unacceptable in my eyes. I will never personally order here but that is not to say you still couldn't get good gear from them. This is what is injected into our bodies!!! I understand mistakes happen but to have someone say this is fine to inject is all I needed to hear. There are enough others out there but once again to each their own not saying you wouldn't get quality gear moving forward
 
IwantToGetBig.Frank said:
I must of missed the new policy on beat behavior. That being said, I don't think the team at EVO has a one strike and you're out policy.

Sometimes people will join in and stump on a source for a mistake which may help get them banned and that's not going to help any of us on here. The grass isn't usually greener on the other side.

Again, I'm not 100% sure how PSL responded to all issues and that should be a factor in judging them, but I'm leaving that up to Team EVO.

Frank
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Here's the words straight out of Gearhead himself. 1 strike policy.

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At least you know they use filters. It truly sounds like an honest mistake and probably a employee made a bad decision on email response a knee jerk reaction. Guys it could have been a faulty filter not a overused one. This source has shown excellent service and one of the best selections on here. We take risk everytime we inject anything. It is ultimately our responsibility what we decide to use not anyone else's. Guys there a great source to toss aside so easily and would be hard to replace. You know the saying those with out fault cast the first stone....
 
underweight said:
At least you know they use filters. It truly sounds like an honest mistake and probably a employee made a bad decision on email response a knee jerk reaction. Guys it could have been a faulty filter not a overused one. This source has shown excellent service and one of the best selections on here. We take risk everytime we inject anything. It is ultimately our responsibility what we decide to use not anyone else's. Guys there a great source to toss aside so easily and would be hard to replace. You know the saying those with out fault cast the first stone....
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Honestly if they didn't have someone saying it as fine I could understand. Who knows maybe they have some good review for some time and I could reconsider. I'm not expert so take it with s grain of salt
 
I don't envy the job moderators have in trying to figure things like this out. I think the main dilemma Is trying to find a way to not lump good companies that get a black eye with the bad companies. If a way isn't found, eventually almost everyone will be banned. Bad companies are dangerous and need to go. Good companies may need help sometimes but considering what they provide they may need to be "checked" to keep them honest and on their toes. I do think though that whatever supporting evidence the moderators use to make a decision should be shared with all. Not that this doesn't happen already just stating my preference.
 
planedriver said:
I don't envy the job moderators have in trying to figure things like this out. I think the main dilemma Is trying to find a way to not lump good companies that get a black eye with the bad companies. If a way isn't found, eventually almost everyone will be banned. Bad companies are dangerous and need to go. Good companies may need help sometimes but considering what they provide they may need to be "checked" to keep them honest and on their toes. I do think though that whatever supporting evidence the moderators use to make a decision should be shared with all. Not that this doesn't happen already just stating my preference.
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What's not to envy about dealing with all of it.. Haha. Not easy by Any mean but we're truly trying our best. We're making progress for sure!
 
evolutionary brothers...due to multiple rule violations by PSL they are temporary banned from evo...and removed as a trusted source...we have a 1 strike policy to protect our evo family brothers....this product issue is unacceptable and will not be tolerated...we will not allow our brothers to get scammed or be given dangerous products

*until further notice they are gone
 
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