oral dbol cycle

[barnioms]

Im based in the UK. I'm 35, 5ft 10 and currently 11 stone, my bodyfat is 15%. I have been training for 5 years and not done any gear before. I felt my training had plateaued over the last year. I've mixed things up a little and changed my diet, this has helped but wanted to have an extra push.

I now have 10mg Blue Hearts, this time round I wanted to try an oral course first.

A training partner has recommended I start on 30mg per day and review as I go along. I have milk thistle and tribulus too. He's also recommended I get tamoxifen (nolvadex), this is the anti estrogenic drug right? Its good to see you recommend it as some of my mates are telling me not to bother! My training partner insists I need this.

I have a PCT formula too for the after the course.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Tadeas]

Sounds like you're fairly new to steroids. I don't suggest you start by using AAS, you're better off doing more research. Remember, I'm a source, so if I'm telling you this you should really think that over. Give it time, and research steroids more before you jump in.

 

[muskate]

Sounds like you're fairly new to steroids. I don't suggest you start by using AAS, you're better off doing more research. Remember, I'm a source, so if I'm telling you this you should really think that over. Give it time, and research steroids more before you jump in.

I agree completely. A dbol only steroid cycle will provide very little in-terms of keepable gains after your cycle. You will blow up on cycle and gain a lot of weight, but it will just be water weight and you will loose pretty much all of it as soon as you come off.

I would hold off on starting a steroid cycle until you have done some more research. If you want to supplement your diet and training with anything, look into SARMS. Particularly the SARMS triple stack. http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARM...stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of aromatization (therefore no estrogen related side effects such as gynocemesatia) and legal to use. You can order everything you need for the triple stack and mini PCT off of sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com

Run a few cycles of SARMS and then do a proper first cycle of 400-500mg/week of testosterone for 10-12 weeks, with 12.5mg of aromasin EOD, followed by the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[LevButlerov]

You need to do more research before jumping into the steroids game. Dbol without test is not the best idea, and if you are going to run your first cycle, a testosterone solo cycle would be much-much better and beneficial. Your gains will be more keepable, and there will be less bloating. You should not be using nolva as your AI during the cycle. For this purpose aromasin is a much wiser decision - use it at 12.5 mgs EOD. Also, don't underestimate the importance of running a proper PCT, because what matters the most is how much of the gains you can keep after the cycle, and a good PCT will help you in this regard. Also, a proper PCT will help your body recover better, which is also very important. Finally, don't forget about using the necessary ancillaries, and make sure to have your PCT and ancillaries on hands BEFORE even beginning the cycle. This is one of the golden rules of juiceheads.

 

[stevesmi]

Sounds like you're fairly new to steroids. I don't suggest you start by using AAS, you're better off doing more research. Remember, I'm a source, so if I'm telling you this you should really think that over. Give it time, and research steroids more before you jump in.

I was going to say the same thing.. if a source is telling you that you are not ready then 1. you REALLY aren't ready. and 2. that source actually cares about their customers and not just selling product

I would say OP do more research, 5 years training is solid, but knowledge needs to be improved.. read the articles we have on here.. once you feel like you have everything down pat then go for it

 

[barnioms]

Thanks for your replies...

Yes that all makes sense, I know I've got my diet and training where it needs to be.
Ok so I'm totally new to this but will end up doing something at some point just want to get it right! I understand orals are far more toxic :/ re dbol I understand I should run a test at the same time, if it needs to be pins I don't mind thou I've been recommended tribulus tablets but are they upto the job? Absolutely want to look after my body inside and out! Got milk thistle, a good pct and tamoxifen.
From what I read 30mg is a good starting point and less is more! If you know what I mean... ive also read that ppl recommend no longer than 4 weeks and any longer is pointless. I havr some understanding of Estrogen levels in the body and how to keep them under control.
Always been interested in the human body, it pretty awesome what you can do... just don't want to get it wrong!
Any further advice or comments would be most appreciated !

Thanks guys

 

[muskate]

1. Tribulus tablets are not the same as testosterone. Not even in the same ball park. Tribulus is a natural testosterone supplement that truthfully, isn't very effective when used by itself.

2. Milk thistle is not a sufficient liver aid. I recommend n2guard from n2bm.com
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Cycle-Support/N2-GUARD-p75.html

3. The best PCT protocol is the perfect PCT protocol. Run it exactly as it is laid out. A proper PCT is very important to ensure HPTA recovery and that you keep all the gains you made while on cycle.

4. Running an AI (aromasin) with your cycle is what will keep estrogen levels in the normal range. You can order it off of ag-guys.com

I will make your life easy and plan out your entire cycle for you.

Weeks 1 - 10
testosterone 500mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

weeks 1 - 4
dbol 30mg/day
n2guard from n2bm.com 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[LevButlerov]

Milk thistle is definitely not enough to protect the liver. N2Guard is a much better option, as it has lots of different invredients working in synergy. I would even dare to say that it is the best and most complete liver protecting supplement.

 

[Badjuju2]

I would not do a dbol only cycle for my first. read more and lets figure you out a better base. Im guessing you aren't digging the needle part with the oral only idea?

 

[barnioms]

Tried to look for N2 guard, seems hard to find a supplier I'm the UK! predator nutrition did sell it I'm the UK but no longer stock it.
Yes was appealing not having to pin it and a training buddy had a good supplier for dbol. Happy to look at alternatives, ideally looking for lean muscle not just mass! Been told dbol isn't really good for that!
Thanks for the advice guys, keep it coming. I know I will end up looking at a cutting cycle next so it's part of a bigger plan I guess!

 

[gearhead]

Tried to look for N2 guard, seems hard to find a supplier I'm the UK! predator nutrition did sell it I'm the UK but no longer stock it.
Yes was appealing not having to pin it and a training buddy had a good supplier for dbol. Happy to look at alternatives, ideally looking for lean muscle not just mass! Been told dbol isn't really good for that!
Thanks for the advice guys, keep it coming. I know I will end up looking at a cutting cycle next so it's part of a bigger plan I guess!

bro n2bm sends to UK...check them for n2guard

 

[Jrbdallas]

once you get your supports in place work on getting some test.

 

[barnioms]

once you get your supports in place work on getting some test.

If! I go the dbol route I'm reading most say you won't keep your gains without test. Seems if I wana get anywhere test is the way forward with or without dbol. Would you agree with that?

 

[gearhead]

If! I go the dbol route I'm reading most say you won't keep your gains without test. Seems if I wana get anywhere test is the way forward with or without dbol. Would you agree with that?

bro you can get some test enan with some dbol and cardarine/n2guard...heres a cycle for you

week 1-6
30mgs dbol/ed
200mgs mgs test e/week
20mgs cardarine/ed
10mgs aromasin eod
7 caps n2guard ed

week 7-12
400mgs mgs test e/week
20mgs cardarine/ed
10mgs aromasin eod
5 caps hcgenerate ed
5 caps n2guard ed

 

[MikeSnow]

dbol only cycles are a waste IMO, you don't really keep much..