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Hello My Friend Would LIke Some Help ON This Cycle

He is 80kg has been training for 3 years and is 30 years old.

He Is Thinking Of Haveing Test And Dbol Like This :

Week 1-14 Test how much mg.?
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg
Week 16-18 Clomid And Nolva But He Does Not know How Much Mg he Should Have Some Help Please.
 
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Some stats would help but sounds like some more learning and education is needed. Why not tell him stick to training and diet for now. Lots of PED'S there. Refer him to the forums, read the stickies, and take the time to properly prep yourself for an aas cycle.
 
There's a big internet book on the subject, I think its called Google...lol

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Is this another "my buddy" needs help thread when in reality it really you? For example "My buddies nuts are shrunk and he doesn't know what to do?" lol but seriously we need more info brother...whats his goals?
 
jean30t said:
Hello My Friend Would LIke Some Help ON This Cycle

He is 80kg has been training for 3 years and is 30 years old.

He Is Thinking Of Haveing Test And Dbol Like This :

Week 1-14 Test how much mg.?
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg
Week 16-18 Clomid And Nolva But He Does Not know How Much Mg he Should Have Some Help Please.
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Honestly the other guys are correct this "friend" is without a doubt you and you are not even close to educated enough about gear to jump on a cycle you do t even know how to spell testosterone enanthate for fuck sake I was going to help you out but once I started writing this response my own words solidified just how little you know and you're not ready there's a TON of info on first cycles do you're self a favor work on your diet get that where it needs to be (it could be already but I highly doubt it) then do a lot of research find out how long test e is going to be active in your system (hint it's more than two weeks) once you have that info you'll know that you should wait a little longer to start your pct and you'll know how many mg of what different compounds you should be taking and what you should have on hand in case gyno flares up on you (you don't need a last minute emergency and you're unprepared do you?) once gyno starts you don't have much time to put the brakes on it and you don't want to end up needing surgery to fix you're big ol floppy tits do ya?


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first of all my friend does not know how to write in English that s why i am asking for him i know that with this cycle i will need nolva and clomid for pct i am aware of gyno and i know he will need to controle it with some supplement that s why i am asking i do not know why you when out of subject instead of helping him lol he has not stared the cycle yet that s why i am asking if i knew the cycle was perfect i would not have asked for help .
 
jean30t said:
Hello My Friend Would LIke Some Help ON This Cycle

He is 80kg has been training for 3 years and is 30 years old.

He Is Thinking Of Haveing Test And Dbol Like This :

Week 1-14 Test how much mg.?
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg
Week 16-18 Clomid And Nolva But He Does Not know How Much Mg he Should Have Some Help Please.
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At 80kg he is pretty light how tall is he?


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jean30t said:
i dont know exectaly but he is good weight at his hight cus he is short lol
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Ok I'll help you out with this start out with 400-500mg test per week do not vary you're test numbers for at least five weeks (he'll start feeling the test on or around the start of week three) so that gives him two weeks to judge weather or not he is feeling good at that dose but for a first run you may just want to pick a number and run it the whole time if that's what you plan on doing 50g is a good number so you're running that 14weeks that's fine as far as dbol goes have him pick up more than he thinks he will need I would be disappointed if I only had enough to run 30mg/day I would start around there and once you start feeling the dbol judge if you want to increase the dose most people reaping well to 50-60mg/day I would only run that for six weeks you can do eight if you wish but make sure you're pounding water and taking liver support (no alcohol!) I wouldent start pct until week 17 because the test is still active in your system for three weeks after your last injection and the injections btw should be split into two weekly doses 250mg ea evenly spread apart and now for pct I would go with
Clomid (100)(100)(50)(50)
Nolva (20)(20)(20(20)
Each bracket contains your daily dose for one week so it's a four week protocol your first two weeks you take 100mg clomid and 20mg nolva every day you're last two weeks 50mg clomid 20mg nolva every day


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I just saw you're only planning on running dbol for four weeks I thought you said eight I would push it to six weeks


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i appreciate your help sir what if he has 250 a week the test since is a long easters .? and should he have something in hand for gayno?

another question should he be having something else with test and dbol to reduce the risk for side effects thankyou.
 
Test and dbol have NEVER been ran together! This guy must be NUTS! This should be interesting!

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jean30t said:
i appreciate your help sir what if he has 250 a week the test since is a long easters .? and should he have something in hand for gayno?

another question should he be having something else with test and dbol to reduce the risk for side effects thankyou.
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No it is a long ester which means it is active in your body for a longer time also it takes longer to build up and take effect (I told you he won't feel it until week three) 25g/wk is a high trt (testosterone replacement therapy) dose 500mg a week is a good dose for a cycle with muscle building goals in mind also he should have letro on hand in case of gyno and it's not a bad idea to have an ai on hand (aromatize inhibitor) like aromason or adex letro is an ai as well but it's very potent and should not be used unless you have a gyno flare up I'm going to step down now I've given you more info than anyone else would you need to research these things if I spoon feed you every answer and I get shot tomorrow what are you going to do when a question arises that you need immediate help with and I'm nowhere to be found? There's a reason no one has helped you and they tell you to do research you need to know this stuff inside and out before you start fucking with your hormones

And that whole test and dbol can't be run together thing was priceless I was laughing pretty good


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Not 25g a week I meant to say 250mg I'm writing on my phone and the keyboard has the m right next to the backspace button so I keep erasing the last number and the m (I'm accidentally hitting backspace instead of the m)


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I should probably drop the tren and mast down lol


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Lol!!! I'm a mast junkie, and yes, it does have an affinity for making me speak out on funny shit, question ignorance, and yes, want to stab every hottie gal I see wearing tight shorts.
 
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Not 25g a week I meant to say 250mg I'm writing on my phone and the keyboard has the m right next to the backspace button so I keep erasing the last number and the m (I'm accidentally hitting backspace instead of the m)


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Damn, I hate how mine does that too! And my ipad is bad about putting in an m when I'm looking for a comma. Technology...
 
devildog said:
Lol!!! I'm a mast junkie, and yes, it does have an affinity for making me speak out on funny shit, question ignorance, and yes, want to stab every hottie gal I see wearing tight shorts.
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It's uncontrollable at this point. I'm always full salute. My masseuse is going to LOVE me today lolol

Her: "Turn over on your back when you're ready"

Me: "It's gonna be a minute..or two.."


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devildog said:
Lol!!! I'm a mast junkie, and yes, it does have an affinity for making me speak out on funny shit, question ignorance, and yes, want to stab every hottie gal I see wearing tight shorts.
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Oh! Now it is starting to make sense. That must be what's happened to me..... Lol
 
jbranken said:
It's uncontrollable at this point. I'm always full salute. My masseuse is going to LOVE me today lolol

Her: "Turn over on your back when you're ready"

Me: "It's gonna be a minute..or two.."


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LOL!!! I'm leaving at noon to meet my gf since I trained at 6am, and am spending the day exploring her while she explores spending money dragging me to the damned outlets. Is what she's doing even legal?:confused: Help!! LOL!!!
 
devildog said:
Funny how mast, and test have that effect. Lol
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I know. I am starting to get a crush on the redhead at the gas station. She looks about 25. I am trying to make her think she is hitting on me... Lol she is an 8. Not that I would rate girls.
 
devildog said:
LOL!!! I'm leaving at noon to meet my gf since I trained at 6am, and am spending the day exploring her while she explores spending money dragging me to the damned outlets. Is what she's doing even legal?:confused: Help!! LOL!!!
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So I don't use recreational drugs much any more but I recently had to spend the day at the mall with my wife ( it was her birthday present) and budder made it a very pleasurable experience I was cracking jokes in Victoria's Secret and I had customers and employees rolling


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Mrhat39 said:
I know. I am starting to get a crush on the redhead at the gas station. She looks about 25. I am trying to make her think she is hitting on me... Lol she is an 8. Not that I would rate girls.
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Lol!! It's in our genetic code to be able to rate a gal in 1/3 of a millisecond. Of course, I'm 41, and need more time to check one out.:D:D
 
bobsyouruncle said:
So I don't use recreational drugs much any more but I recently had to spend the day at the mall with my wife ( it was her birthday present) and budder made it a very pleasurable experience I was cracking jokes in Victoria's Secret and I had customers and employees rolling


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Lol!!! I went in there with my gal (yes, I got robbed. Again...), but I do get panties, and ask, "where can I try these on," with a straight face. After the gal there gets past the shock, I let her in on the joke. Any time I go in there now, they're ready for me. Lol
 
devildog said:
Lol!! It's in our genetic code to be able to rate a gal in 1/3 of a millisecond. Of course, I'm 41, and need more time to check one out.:D:D
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Hahaha.... I am 40.I got you covered. I try to only give total OK outs the time of day. But right now 8s are starting to drive me crazy!! I need therapy.
 
Mrhat39 said:
Hahaha.... I am 40.I got you covered. I try to only give total OK outs the time of day. But right now 8s are starting to drive me crazy!! I need therapy.
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There's something about high serum testosterone and those amazing things called females... Of course, I probably won't say the same thing this evening after being forced to go to the outlets today. Help! Lol!
 
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There's something about high serum testosterone and those amazing things called females... Of course, I probably won't say the same thing this evening after being forced to go to the outlets today. Help! Lol!
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Lol... You pour sap..
 
Psl but you're going to have to figure out what that means on your own and hopefully while you're searching you learn a thing or two


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bobsyouruncle said:
Psl but you're going to have to figure out what that means on your own and hopefully while you're searching you learn a thing or two


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wanted to ask after his 6 week dbol can he have 6 week winstrol with the weeks left of tren . ? or i does not make sens just asking.
 
12 straight weeks of methylated steroids is too much. Especially for someone who has to have his friend do all his research. Either bulk or cut, later in year run other cycle. My opinion, take it or leave it.
 
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jean30t said:
wanted to ask after his 6 week dbol can he have 6 week winstrol with the weeks left of tren . ? or i does not make sens just asking.
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Tren? I hope you mean test and ^^^ this is correct leave the whinny alone I don't like it at all because it dries you out too much (joint pain) but you're either running a bulking cycle of a cutting cycle and if he's looking to use dbol it's def a bulking cycle dbol makes most ppl swell up like ticks with water and as far as 12 weeks being too long to run orals I agree I tend to push orals until they no longer give a desired result but I also get my bloods checked and I stop as soon as the decline hits 12 weeks is harsh on your system and not worth it there are guys that will only run orals for four weeks I personally see great results through at least week six but that's me


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bobsyouruncle said:
Tren? I hope you mean test and ^^^ this is correct leave the whinny alone I don't like it at all because it dries you out too much (joint pain) but you're either running a bulking cycle of a cutting cycle and if he's looking to use dbol it's def a bulking cycle dbol makes most ppl swell up like ticks with water and as far as 12 weeks being too long to run orals I agree I tend to push orals until they no longer give a desired result but I also get my bloods checked and I stop as soon as the decline hits 12 weeks is harsh on your system and not worth it there are guys that will only run orals for four weeks I personally see great results through at least week six but that's me


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i meant test lol sorry ok i appriciate your help later on in the summer what kind of safest good cycle can he have .? his goal is to bulk a bit for now and get definition later like in mid summer
 
maybe he can have something not very toxik to the liver instead of winstrol i suppose there is..?
 
jean30t said:
maybe he can have something not very toxik to the liver instead of winstrol i suppose there is..?
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Ok if you did your own digging and reading like you should have you would see test works for bulking and cutting I bulked with dbol and test and I lost fat but gained weight this was a long time ago and if this is his first cycle leave it alone this isn't a sprint it's a marathon have him run test alone he will get the results he wants just from that and if he wants to run dbol more power to him I'm sure he will be able to tell what reactions he's getting from either compound he'll add bulk and burn fat with this cycle IF HIS DIET IS IN CHECK his dies is WAY more important that his gear just run the test and dbol and enjoy it you'll feel like a beast then after proper time off (31 weeks) he can look At running a cut of say short ester test (prop,ace) because it holds less if any noticeable water weight and he can look at clen or clen/t3 or if he's smart and diet is good test only should be great for him with him being new to this winstrol would also be a descent option a lot of guys like it but I don't also depending on his bf% mast may be an option as well but I want this point to hammer home FOOD IS THR MOST ANABOLIC (muscle building) PART OF THIS EQUATION also he needs his sleep


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^^^like the above test by itself or add the dbol, but don't go crazy. Food food food, rest, train. Compounds should make up the majority of ur training regimen.
 
so he will do his test dbol cycle than his 4 weeks pct after his pct he can have another cycle like prop and winstrol.?
 
jean30t said:
so he will do his test dbol cycle than his 4 weeks pct after his pct he can have another cycle like prop and winstrol.?
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Yeah that would be fine but he needs AT LEAST the same time off as his time spent on so if a guy is on cycle for twelve weeks then waits three weeks to start a four week pct he would need 19 weeks off before starting another cycle seriously time off sucks but if you don't take the proper time off you're next cycle won't go nearly as well as it could have not to mention it's unnecessary and harsh on your system so long story short you want to run a cutting cycle go for it after you're proper time off and prop and whinney should be a great cutting cycle but again it's mostly about diet cut out all sugars and seriously limit carbs


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bobsyouruncle said:
Ok if you did your own digging and reading like you should have you would see test works for bulking and cutting I bulked with dbol and test and I lost fat but gained weight this was a long time ago and if this is his first cycle leave it alone this isn't a sprint it's a marathon have him run test alone he will get the results he wants just from that and if he wants to run dbol more power to him I'm sure he will be able to tell what reactions he's getting from either compound he'll add bulk and burn fat with this cycle IF HIS DIET IS IN CHECK his dies is WAY more important that his gear just run the test and dbol and enjoy it you'll feel like a beast then after proper time off (31 weeks) he can look At running a cut of say short ester test (prop,ace) because it holds less if any noticeable water weight and he can look at clen or clen/t3 or if he's smart and diet is good test only should be great for him with him being new to this winstrol would also be a descent option a lot of guys like it but I don't also depending on his bf% mast may be an option as well but I want this point to hammer home FOOD IS THR MOST ANABOLIC (muscle building) PART OF THIS EQUATION also he needs his sleep


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Idk where I got 31weeks from maybe I had something else on my mind this is a 12week cycle right?


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can he test dbol for 12 weeks than 4 week pct then i heard he can take some kind of bridge in the mean time before having the other cycle.?
 
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yeah that would be fine but he needs at least the same time off as his time spent on so if a guy is on cycle for twelve weeks then waits three weeks to start a four week pct he would need 19 weeks off before starting another cycle seriously time off sucks but if you don't take the proper time off you're next cycle won't go nearly as well as it could have not to mention it's unnecessary and harsh on your system so long story short you want to run a cutting cycle go for it after you're proper time off and prop and whinney should be a great cutting cycle but again it's mostly about diet cut out all sugars and seriously limit carbs


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thx bdw as of diet he eats well.
 
Why not just take the time off like Bob mentioned and save up and plan for the next cycle. Check out ledheads thread on the board about 8 week cycles or just stay on. Personally when I'm done with mine I will PCT stay off and plan for a big one come fall/winter. Also, I was tearing it up without AAS so what's the problem with taking some time off? Just grab a natty test booster you like and continue on like a beast.
 
jean30t said:
some help please..
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Enough of this shit already you have gotten way more help than you should have YOU need to do your own research either that or send one of us some money for a personal consultation but that's the lazy mans way you just need to utilize the search bar and quit suckling our tit of knowledge I can predict your unfortunate future [because you rely on others so much you haven't actually learned anything and if you or your friend or whoever has a gyno flare up you won't be prepared and you'll come back here with a thread labeled URGENT EMERGENCY PLEASE HELP!!!! but by the time you get a response it will most likely be too late and your buddy will be stuck with some nice d cups all because you were too fucking lazy to take your time and actually learn something I'm done helping and I hope everyone else is as well you won't learn anything if we keep spoon feeding you everything not to be harsh but good god man do your own digging]


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Why not just take the time off like Bob mentioned and save up and plan for the next cycle. Check out ledheads thread on the board about 8 week cycles or just stay on. Personally when I'm done with mine I will PCT stay off and plan for a big one come fall/winter. Also, I was tearing it up without AAS so what's the problem with taking some time off? Just grab a natty test booster you like and continue on like a beast.
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What test booster works for you? I've tried a couple before I ever tried aas and never got the results I was after I think 99% of them are shit products and every one of them that I tried was but I am interested to hear about it if you've had any luck with them


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can he start having 20 mg nolva if he sees some gayno.? and can he have nolvadex and something els instead of clomid since it is not available here
 
Jean it good you keep asking questions , but my advice is don't rush into this , I know it gets exciting , but all the info you just learned means their is much more to learn . You got you plan , now give it another month or two and you will be glad you did with the more info you get by then .

To answer the last question , I have to ask if I missed the part of him taking an AI during this cycle ? If you go to Evo home page you will find this exact cycle written out for you .


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Seriously bro, do some reading on your own. You and your friend will come out better for it. You'll learn more here than most doctors know. You simply can't have it handed to you, because you don't know enough to ensure you are asking ALL of the right questions. What you don't know will literally hurt you. Or your friend.
 
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