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jgpinto101
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Why no test base for your DBOL cycle?, I don't think there's any risk of you overthinking this..
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Why no test base for your DBOL cycle?, I don't think there's any risk of you overthinking this..
splunk
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Agree I would run with test, also For your weight I would only run 30mg of dbol ED.
I have a question regarding blood work I have no problem getting getting a referral for a blood test from my doctor , but I currently have two docs that I see , one I don't want to know or be able to see the results of the blood work is the blood work only available to the doc I get a referral from or can any doctor access it ?
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skinnyfat87
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Finishing 600mg tren a and 600mg sust250 soon. next time around thinking 600mg sust250 but use NPP (first time) at 600mg a week. thoughts? Is the NPP a high enough dose first time around? past cycles have been test e only an test e + tren E. this is first sust and tren a. Goal: Just look like I lift 
splunk
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Finishing 600mg tren a and 600mg sust250 soon. next time around thinking 600mg sust250 but use NPP (first time) at 600mg a week. thoughts? Is the NPP a high enough dose first time around? past cycles have been test e only an test e + tren E. this is first sust and tren a. Goal: Just look like I lift
I don't think you need that much, I would do 400 NPP and 500 Test P EW.
Remember sust has a mix of shot and long esters so personally I wouldn't run it with NPP.
splunk
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I think at the moment you have to sign a release to transfer your records between non-affiliated medical practices, however if the doctors work in the same center they would likely both have access to the same records.
That being said the move is towards cloud based records that all practices will have access to.
If you see a normal GP I would suggest asking them to keep the information off your record.
foreverbulk
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Never used tren e.. So I'm not sure on dosage but I love Tren a
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I got a heap of tren E so I'll have a crack at those levels, I think they're pretty reasonable for first time on tren. Couple of weeks of dbol to kick it in.
Lol savage
But yeah oral only is a terrible idea. Dbol is a testosterone derivative but just because it interacts with the same receptors in the body doesn't mean it functions the same way. Testosterone itself is what you need, and that will crash when your HPTA shuts down.
splunk
New member
Like everything you are going to get many "opinions", this is something I'm trying to understand more and do research myself. Tren is 5 times stronger then test and on paper I see no point running high test with tren, you just introduce more sides unnecessarily.
Please don't fall into the trap of thinking more is always better!
I would consider just using a TRT dose of Test, and adjust Tren accordingly. If you get your test dose right you won't need to worry about or manage estrogen sides.
The main difference between Tren A and Tren E is the ester weight, this affects the concentration a little, but don't worry about it. You should see less sides on Tren E, but once you pin your going to be stuck with any sides for a minimum of few weeks until it starts to clear.
always do a TRT Dose of Test with Tren, has worked wonders for me, had a mate who ran 700mg Test and 350 Tren, but he wasn't the brightest and was one of those lads who rode off his genetics to get anywhere, shame as he had massive potential
As for Tren Ester weights .. I think this is correct
Trenbolone Base: 100mg
Trenbolone Acetate: 83mg
Trenbolone Enanthate: 68mg
Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate: 65mg*
Trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonate: 65mg*#
jgpinto101
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I really shouldn't post that early in the AM
not in The AM bro ..
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valentinik
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anywhere from 150-250 a week is the usual, 50mg EOD of Prop is 175mg a week roughly, I Ran prop at that dose with 350mg Tren A 6 weeks and then 525mg for 2 weeks and it worked wonders
I personally base it off what test I have on hand at the time, if ive got prop I just go 50mg eod (175-200mg week) or if I have test E I just go 250mg a week (1ml)
splunk
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Going to vary for different peeps, getting blood work done is the only sure method but would say the average range would be between 100-200mg EW, and I think the far majority would be around 100.
Im going to test this for myself by starting at 100mg EW, evaluate how I feel and check for any low test sides, if all good I will get blood work done to confirm, if need be I'll increase a little at a time. Conversely if I start to get any high estrogen sides it's an indication that I've overshot the mark.
splunk
New member
Don't think you need to be overly precise, and as we know quality of UGL products can vary. That being said I think this is sound advise to get started.
valentinik
New member
Thanks for the info guys
I only run hi test with tren. higher libido and more energy. but if you suck at managing estrogen than the tren will make the sides seem more unbearable. for the simple novice low test and tren is better. esp if ur not using caber etc.
I'm deff not one of those conservative types thinking I should only run the smallest doses and blah blah.
you will gain more with higher test and look fuller, higher libido and more energy. but low test you will prob look even leaner.
each to their own.
splunk
New member
Yeah defiantly carry more water weight which makes you look and feel bigger (but softer), how this actually relates to real muscle growth I think is the real question compared to keeping test low and possibly upping your Tren slightly.
Energy and Libido is important and if you find something works for you then that's probably the way to go, although if your "low" dose is sufficient I would not expect this to be a problem.
no youre right mate I definitely agree and its always something that plays in the back of my mind no matter how much faith I have in my favourite labs, but its a good benchmark for me I find !
foreverbulk
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Hi everyone,
I figured I'd introduce myself here since I'm new Aussie and new to the forum.
I figured I'd introduce myself here since I'm new Aussie and new to the forum.
splunk
New member
Welcome mate, tell us a bit about yourself.
splunk
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Sure it will pick back up, people still have a lot going on at this time.
Looking forward to seeing how everyone goes with training over the next few months, should be good, want to see some logs!
foreverbulk
SCAMMER
foreverbulk
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Welcome mate, love the name
foreverbulk
SCAMMER
I'm always on test, but
500 test E pinned 250 e3.5d
400 tren E pinned 200 e3.5d
50mg dbol daily first 2 weeks
I'm looking for some mast to add in as well
Ending with Var probably, I love that shit.
Caber 0.5mg e3.5d
Aromasin .25mg e3.5d
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Tren is AI tren E should be good.
I already know 3-4 people who have ran Dbol only cycle with great success. With a simple PCT, they keep a fair portion of their mass gains. Dbol does suppress test production but doesn’t completely shut you down like 500mg/week Test would. Even if shutdown occurs after the cycle, I have test on the side if I need it and PCT should be enough. People overblow the negative sides of Dbol while ignoring the negative side of test, they operate similar and have the same side effects really.
Here is my cycle future plans
Cycle 1 Dbol 6 Weeks
Cycle 2 Test Dbol Maybe Deca
Cycle 3 Test Dbol Deca Tren
So I will add compounds each and every cycle,
Dbol is demonized too much online. The issue is poor usage of Dbol not the compound itself
splunk
New member
A dbol cycle only is fine but personally I wouldn't waste my time. If you do a proper PCT and time off using long esters your looking at 2 cycles a year. You need to do a lot right to keep your gainz, the fact that you will be shutdown and need to do a full PCT I'd be milking the cycle for everything I can, and for me a good place to start is dbol 4-6w + test 12 weeks.
Just my opinion, nothing wrong with what your doing.
Dbol is ok, no issues with it, 500 test is the key to my gains. Deca was fun, got big, but I had water issues.
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My bad, 25mg e3.5d Aromasin
Smurfed
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Ok page 16 lol... that was alot of speed reading... everyone still away, sales still on. Mt2 is hot right now so peps and etc are included in sale
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I hope all are well and enjoying those festive meals, drive safe and lookout for those idiots.
Dont let tren take over when all these new year resolution idiots cram the gym, never to be seen again after 2 weeks lmao...
Need to shed some of those extra pounds give us a holla
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I hope all are well and enjoying those festive meals, drive safe and lookout for those idiots.
Dont let tren take over when all these new year resolution idiots cram the gym, never to be seen again after 2 weeks lmao...
Need to shed some of those extra pounds give us a holla
my pal Trent took over tonight at the cinema with the Tard next to my brother and I on his phone non stop, was so damn satisfying tho as usual
Oppositeofnatty
New member
Was only talking to my mate yesterday about the New Years resolutioners. I love the fact that these people are trying to better themselves. But in reality they'll be there for their 12 week challenge, see no gains because they were supersetting with Facebook and eating 2 minute noodles for dinner. Every fucking year us consistent ones deal with this. January-February and also the start of summer to try look good for summer, little do they know you need to start in winter to look good for summer. Boils my blood
home gym =
I've got about 6-7k worth of gear in my shed, commercial gyms around here have to many skinny people doing cardio in them.
foreverbulk
SCAMMER
... I'm allowed to look at the "motivation" - I think my Mrs would would get cranky if I had a "Feel" ha ha ha......
Oppositeofnatty
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Yeh same. It's a good ego boost. I live in a certain city in Sydney. And it's fucking Asianville. I go to the gym and look lik
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*like a monster next to them hahha. But when in reality I'm slightly on the bigger side
I used to train at home with equipment. but for me gym is the way to go. and girls to perv on also.
also about the dbol only cycle. most newbs love to start out on just orals... it's just how it is. years ago my first experience with gear was those shitty andriol testo caps. then I did peptides, now roids.
I suppose it's daunting at first, but once you get a taste there is no going back. chances are you will lose all ur gains. to be really big you have to be on a lot of gear all the time. lots of gear over really long cycles. even cruising you deflate.
also about the dbol only cycle. most newbs love to start out on just orals... it's just how it is. years ago my first experience with gear was those shitty andriol testo caps. then I did peptides, now roids.
I suppose it's daunting at first, but once you get a taste there is no going back. chances are you will lose all ur gains. to be really big you have to be on a lot of gear all the time. lots of gear over really long cycles. even cruising you deflate.
hey bros anyone who has been using anabolic innovations had their bloodwork done? im running test prop/ masteron and tren just wondering how potent it is so i should know to adjust doses
AI has always had a good rep, get bloods to check and also be sure your source is reputable
source is very reputable ( smurfed ) yeah guess i will have to get my own bloods done, hoping somebody could save me the time XD
Just started the AI tren, have used the test, test seemed fine to me
splunk
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Ok MT2 update, after 5 days I've backed it off already, got a bit of sun on Christmas day so my face and arms are a few shades darker then everywhere else, just can't afford to get too much darker at this point just need to try and even it out a bit.
Mrs is one day behind me and has developed a nice even tan, looks great.
As far as sides, killed my appetite which has been good really because I'm currently doing a mini cut before starting my next cycle.
Other then that the only noticeable thing was the other day had a long day and was dead tired, as i was drifting off to sleep I would get this intense feeling of anxiety, was weird because my rational mind was fine but just as I would start to drift off it would happen again. Ended up just watching some YouTube for awhile then fell asleep fine, may not be related.
Mrs is one day behind me and has developed a nice even tan, looks great.
As far as sides, killed my appetite which has been good really because I'm currently doing a mini cut before starting my next cycle.
Other then that the only noticeable thing was the other day had a long day and was dead tired, as i was drifting off to sleep I would get this intense feeling of anxiety, was weird because my rational mind was fine but just as I would start to drift off it would happen again. Ended up just watching some YouTube for awhile then fell asleep fine, may not be related.
should be just fine mate
the needle exchange also. you'll get over it after the first couple times. doesn't phase me any more. not like we're junkies.
a large medical supply Shop/warehouse we all use around our area, saves us going to the junky joints, and can buy in bulk
if youre that worried you can buy off Ebay
I use medshop . com . au
Otherwise just keep going to the needle exchange. There was another website people on here recommend but I can't remember what it is.
splunk
New member
A few places have been mentioned already in the thread, my preferred place to get supplies is medshop.com.au works out at about $15 per 100 pins.
My understanding is that statistics are collected by needle exchanges and used for funding programs. I would be concerned that if the number of bodybuilders coming in increases substantially it may trigger LE to crack down.
IMO if you can afford to gear you can afford a few bucks for pins, and they get delivered to your door.
Thanks for the welcome brothers. I'm really enjoying being a part of the forum. So much information to be had.
About me: I'm 23 and I have been training since 19. I did lift weights before that age but I wasn't consistent and I don't think I really had the knowledge or the right mindset until I turned 19... I lost my way just before my 21st birthday due to a shit-storm of negativity hitting me (car accident, injuries, unemployment, debt & a she-devil trying to steal my soul) but I embraced the hard-times and grew infinitely stronger because of it. Having said that, I couldn't lift for almost a year due to injury.
I worked my way back into the routine in 2014 and cruised around 70kg @~15% bodyfat. I wasn't really interested in getting big at the time because I had just recovered from a torn rotator cuff (left).
In September (2015) my shoulder was feeling good as new and I decided it was time to step things up. I've been bulking non-stop since then, atm I'm 82kg and probably around 20% bodyfat. I'm 188cm tall.
I intend to live up to my name on this forum
I love the pump - I'm addicted to it and I find rest days incredibly boring.I'm natty but will step it up when I'm truly ready for it, which I admit is not quite yet. My time will come.
If I could lift every day, I would...
It must be someone else. I do have decent wheels but I haven't posted any pics because I'm new to the forum.
foreverbulk
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Thanks for the welcome brothers. I'm really enjoying being a part of the forum. So much information to be had.
About me: I'm 23 and I have been training since 19. I did lift weights before that age but I wasn't consistent and I don't think I really had the knowledge or the right mindset until I turned 19... I lost my way just before my 21st birthday due to a shit-storm of negativity hitting me (car accident, injuries, unemployment, debt & a she-devil trying to steal my soul) but I embraced the hard-times and grew infinitely stronger because of it. Having said that, I couldn't lift for almost a year due to injury.
I worked my way back into the routine in 2014 and cruised around 70kg @~15% bodyfat. I wasn't really interested in getting big at the time because I had just recovered from a torn rotator cuff (left).
In September (2015) my shoulder was feeling good as new and I decided it was time to step things up. I've been bulking non-stop since then, atm I'm 82kg and probably around 20% bodyfat. I'm 188cm tall.
I intend to live up to my name on this forum
I'm natty but will step it up when I'm truly ready for it, which I admit is not quite yet. My time will come.
If I could lift every day, I would...
It must be someone else. I do have decent wheels but I haven't posted any pics because I'm new to the forum.
Nice brother & welcome..
You should drop down to around 12-13% before you start steroids, so you can get the most from your gains!!
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goodone91
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Couldn't agree more.
When I did my first cycle I was about 10% bf around 88kg and shot up to around 96kg and dropped some
Body fat but my gains would have been heaps cleaner and better having lower bf.
Even running tren didn't drop it that much the first time I used it.
Lower bf and stick diet is the path to start on for first cycle imo! Good luck
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*I will definitely cut down my bodyfat to at least 15% (probably lower) before I hit my first cycle. That's still a ways off any way.
It's only so high at the moment because I've been eating high calories for months on end.
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*I will definitely cut down my bodyfat to at least 15% (probably lower) before I hit my first cycle. That's still a ways off any way.
It's only so high at the moment because I've been eating high calories for months on end.
Man I dropped 7kg (admittedly while on tren) over 7 weeks with a casual deficit. Literally changed energy drinks to sugar free and cooked meals more consistently. If I got takeaway, considered that 2 normal meals. I reckon you'll be able to drop fat pretty fast.
Yeah bro, I actually have no problems with dropping bodyfat. I only drink sugar-free drinks (except for having 1 sugar in my coffee once a day) and I know how to diet. Once this season of bulk is over, I will drop this excess fat quite easily.
I am beginning to reign my diet in even more and get more strict, I don't want to cut too many carbs though. The current plan is to cut down my caloric intake around April/May and use the cooler months to get shredded for the summer
I was good over Christmas and didn't over-indulge at all. I don't drink alcohol, so that helped. I could probably increase my cardio training without impacting gains too much, I have been intending to do so.
Firstly all the best to aussies here on evo ,thanks for the welcome recently and may next yr bring success to you all.
Sorry for posting a question on source thread but i was hoping a few knowlegable oz brothers can answer my concern
This afternoon had to see doctor for what im hoping is either torn muscle or pinched nerve in lower back,
I cant believe i did this getting off our lounge suite
Pain is excruciating, walking hunched over and like ive shit myself,feels like my legs are going to give way with each wave of pain on ea h step
Anyway doc has perscribed me Endone and vallium at night and mobic anti inflammatory
Can someone let me know how this coctail will effect my current cycle of dbol sus and deca,should i wait a certain time between taking dianbol and pain meds
Obviously i cant train hopfully only for a few days or week to it settles down,i dont want to stop cycle being mid way through
Thoughts please
Sorry for posting a question on source thread but i was hoping a few knowlegable oz brothers can answer my concern
This afternoon had to see doctor for what im hoping is either torn muscle or pinched nerve in lower back,
I cant believe i did this getting off our lounge suite
Pain is excruciating, walking hunched over and like ive shit myself,feels like my legs are going to give way with each wave of pain on ea h step
Anyway doc has perscribed me Endone and vallium at night and mobic anti inflammatory
Can someone let me know how this coctail will effect my current cycle of dbol sus and deca,should i wait a certain time between taking dianbol and pain meds
Obviously i cant train hopfully only for a few days or week to it settles down,i dont want to stop cycle being mid way through
Thoughts please
foreverbulk
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Sorry to hear brother you ok ?
Did you tell the doctor your using gear
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No unforunately i didnt..i was contemplating however whilst he is approachable on most subjects and has a reasonably close relationship with our family as he follwed us through the pregnacy and delivery delivered our latest child i was not prepared for the lecture of steriods have no place outside medical applications.....
In hind site i should have told him in case of poor interactions of medications and cycle
foreverbulk
SCAMMER
I'll buy ur endone off you!?
iv been slack. iv been cruising and haven't been to the gym in a few weeks. was doing 12 to 16 hour days before Christmas then quit my job. then just ate shit and no gym over Christmas. and have been smoking weed with the misses and eating. I hate it already can't wait to be eating healthy again and start training. starting blast in 1 week as well. will be 100% at it by then. dnt normally slack off so much. still not fat tho. 11%
and yeh iv had weed and endone while on tren and dbol so u should be fine and I was on drol as well I think.
iv been slack. iv been cruising and haven't been to the gym in a few weeks. was doing 12 to 16 hour days before Christmas then quit my job. then just ate shit and no gym over Christmas. and have been smoking weed with the misses and eating. I hate it already can't wait to be eating healthy again and start training. starting blast in 1 week as well. will be 100% at it by then. dnt normally slack off so much. still not fat tho. 11%
and yeh iv had weed and endone while on tren and dbol so u should be fine and I was on drol as well I think.
I'd strongly recommend talking to -any- doctor openly about it, even if it isn't your usual. Liver concerns regarding meds + dbol is a possibility. It's certainly possible that you won't have major issues but honestly I wouldn't want to be the person to give medical advice when I'm simply not qualified to do so.
How far in to blast are you? Doses?
The endone should be fine, in fact it may help keep your blood pressure at a reasonable level but be aware if you're taking oral steroids that valium (by itself) can cause liver damage. Drink plenty of water.
Mobic is the only one I'm really uncertain on - I have no idea and I won't even try to guess.
Whatever you do, don't drink alcohol (especially with valium). You probably don't drink any way but believe me when I say: that mixture will take you places you don't want to go.
Also just be careful with doses, valium has been known to promote suicidal thoughts. Don't underestimate the drug just because it is prescribed, I have seen people overdose on it and the results are not pretty. I'm talking ambulance to the E.R. not pretty.
Mobic is the only one I'm really uncertain on - I have no idea and I won't even try to guess.
Whatever you do, don't drink alcohol (especially with valium). You probably don't drink any way but believe me when I say: that mixture will take you places you don't want to go.
Also just be careful with doses, valium has been known to promote suicidal thoughts. Don't underestimate the drug just because it is prescribed, I have seen people overdose on it and the results are not pretty. I'm talking ambulance to the E.R. not pretty.
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Cyborg Humanoid Brother
We are all eating, and feeling fat......Forum def has died down
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Well I'm hitting Jim x 2 a day..... And having a snooze in between..... This is bliss.
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BigTonganGuy
Growing Brother
Anyone ever had to change from 10 mil vials to 100mil bottle? (Travelling purposes) wondering wat u used and wat was the sterilization process u can pm details bros all goods.
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Cyborg Humanoid Brother
This reminds me. I need to give a top 10 of stupid moments you have seen at the gym.
And I have kept my new years resolution for the past 10 years.
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Cyborg Humanoid Brother
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Just get worried if there offer you 1ml instead of 5ml....then you know your diet and work out is still shit.
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Big fella, google vials, as you can buy up to 100ml sterile vials.
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foreverbulk
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Love this community! We all help each other out
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BigTonganGuy
Growing Brother
Na bro i cant take a vial looking bottle bro kinda to obvious especially when xray scanners are used. Haha
But dam that would be nice and easy!
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Your not catching on.
Wickr me, not posting it.
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BigTonganGuy
Growing Brother
I think they are legit but at those prices they might as well be Not. I think they just quite due do Chrissy holidays
should have asked before ordering mate
plenty of trust worthy sources about, Source research is right up there with All the other things you should research before jumping on
that being said what labs are they pushing mate? a few lads around here may be able to give you a bit of insight to them
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