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HULK
Growing Brother
Pretty complicated if you ask me. What's the point in adding deca 16 weeks out for 4 weeks?
If it were me I'd just run something like test/primo/masteron maybe add some proviron towards the end. Run it all straight through the comp and pct after contest.
For the TREE, why run as low doses as possible 2 weeks out from the show? Just wondering...not saying your wrong
HULK
Growing Brother
Well for one you said deca not npp. Different Ester.
I just think unless your competing at a very high level, up to 7 different substances is ridiculous. And personally I wouldnot touch tren unless I was competing at a very high level. It's a pretty serious steroid and not worth some of the potential sides. Imo too many people jump on the tren train too soon.
gpg9991
New member
All I use is NPP and call it deca cause it the only ester nandrolone I use, so that my fault for not being clear. He never mentioned what level he was at so for an amatuer I agree my cycle is a little extreme. However The compounds you mentioned are to weak for him to keep any quality size on while dieting. Mast is strictly a hardening drug Primo is a very weak anabolic and most competitors either drop test before show or run it at a trt dose not enough for any quality size. He doesn't have to run tren at a massive dose just enough to have an effect. Also i never understood the notion that you need to work your way up to using tren what does that mean? what are you supposed to wait for?. If you experience sides from tren you are gonna experience sides. No matter if it your first cycle or 100th. Nothing is going to change inside your body making you suddenly able to use the almighty tren. This is just a bro-science myth i am not sure why anyone would start this rumor. As long as you are smart enough to do the proper research and start at a reasonable dose you will be fine and if your not smart enough to do that u shouldn't be using steroids.
HULK
Growing Brother
Well he said he is 195 pounds so unless he is pretty short I think it's safe to say he isn't very advanced.
And about the tren, I just think that most people regard tren as the holy grail of aas. So if you jump into it too early than what else do you have to look forward too. I just look at it like something you should go to when test and other compounds begin to become "weak" for you or start to stagnate growth.
But i agree that you should do research and be smart about it or you have no business doing aas anyways.
If I was trying to be over 220-230 on stage than maybe I'd jump on tren. I've gotten Pretty fuckin shredded on nothing but test. No doubt I could of been in good contest shape if i wanted to diet harder. Just depends on the level your trying to compete at I guess.
But hey, why do you say people drop test or go to trt dosage before a contest? Worried about holding water or something? I didn't even run any form of anti-e (not saying that's smart or the best) on my last cycle. Didn't notice any sides except maybe a little water weight but I didn't try to dry out. Just wondering on your take on dropping test before a contest my man?
gpg9991
New member
I missed his weight. I totally agree with your tren point I have always approached my cycles that way. Always start As low as possible, get the most out of it then add something or up dose. I just hate when people make it seem like you have to condition your body to use tren. Its just another steroid(granted maybe the strongest) start low see how you react and adjust.
I wasn't trying to criticize your cycle bro. You have more experience competing than i do. I am actually doing my first show in October and have been doing a ton of pre-contest research so all of a sudden I think i know what I am talking about. I'm also 260 so what works for me will not work for everyone.
Most people drop or lower to trt using prop or suspension because even at a low dose can cause water retention. I have even heard of people cutting ALL steroid a week before contest. It all depends on your body reaction to specific compounds. I personally get zero estrogen sides. Idk if this is against the rules but go on Musclechemistry forum at the bottom is a pre-contest archive forum ton of good info, more than i have
I wasn't trying to criticize your cycle bro. You have more experience competing than i do. I am actually doing my first show in October and have been doing a ton of pre-contest research so all of a sudden I think i know what I am talking about. I'm also 260 so what works for me will not work for everyone.
Most people drop or lower to trt using prop or suspension because even at a low dose can cause water retention. I have even heard of people cutting ALL steroid a week before contest. It all depends on your body reaction to specific compounds. I personally get zero estrogen sides. Idk if this is against the rules but go on Musclechemistry forum at the bottom is a pre-contest archive forum ton of good info, more than i have
wowstrongarms
New Member
People over exaggerate both trens side effects and strength IMO. I'm cutting just as well on 60mg var and 500mg test as I ever have on trt test+500 tren. Tren is a great tool, but it's not the godly steroid people make it out to be IMO. Maybe my tune would change if I bumped it to a gram, but I'm sure my tune would also change if I bumped test to a gram and var to 80 or 100
wowstrongarms
New Member
by tren strength I mean gains, not literal strength. Though it is great for actual strength gains
TREE
New member
Well the last two weeks you are doing good holding on to some of your size,so adding big doses isn't going to help any.
'I said test prop eod mast p eod and tren a eod because i don't know your level or how easily it can affect you..
Here is my last cycle layout 26 weeks before my competition'
wk 1-4 test-e 1000mg wk wk 1-4 deca 400mg wk wk 1-24 hgh 6iu 5days on 2 daysoff until last two weeks and then come off
wk 5-8 test-e 1500mg wk, wk 5-8 deca 600mg wk
wk 9-12 test e 2000mg wk wk 9-12 deca 800mg wk
wk 13-16 test-e 2500mg wk wk 13-16 deca 1000mg wk
wk 17-22 150mg test prop e/d wk 17-22 100mg mast prop e/d 17-22 tren a 100mg e/d
wk 23-26 200mg test prop eodd wk 23 -26 150mg mast p eod wk 23-26 tren-a 150mg eod wk 23-26 winny 50mg e/d
Wk 27-28 test suspension 50mg e/d 27-28 mast-p 50mg e/d wk 27-28 tren a 50mg e/d wk 27-28 winny 50mg eod
Week 29 is contest you are off gh for 10-14 days and if you can get It use prov but use as little as possible.
Oh yeah also during wk 17 -27 two weeks on 2 weeks off clen and possibly t-3
Week 26 -28 and part of 29 i am not completely sure because i have the complete cycle and other examples on a program on my home computer.
So please don't pick the cycle i posted apart (lol) i have left tons out but i promise when i get hme tomorrow i will ost some good off season trans into contest cycles,
Just make sure you are off the gh for 10 days especially with some of the china genirics ,if you all can remember the rips you had to get off them 10-14 days because of the access amount of water,
btw the doses i posted may seem high to a lot or not so high to some but to tell you the truth i only posted them because i was thinking numbers so obviously you wouldn't want to use 4 grams of gear doing your 2nd to fourth show.Let me find out all the info and the reasons and i am sure you guys will understand and maybe be able to use some part for your cycle!
HULK
Growing Brother
Dude that is one hell of a pre contest cycle. Could YOU PLEASE post a pic of your body. Obviously feel free to block out your face and stuff. I just wanna see what something like this can bring to the stage.
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