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i20bpm said:
Thanks for the compliments bro you know we work hard
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No thank you. I did tons of research but you helped me through the bro science and I know new people ask the same questions which I'm sure can be a pain in the ass, but you being the rep for a great source and good brother to begin with desrve the credit! I'm midcycle, great gains, and no sides because of the products and patience given to me. I wish everyone could experience what I did, there would be far fewer mishaps and less bad repuations for what we do! Keep up the good work and ill always be there to be a living proff of it, stronger and heather then in years, feeling great running purly on express domestic gear and their reps advice!
 
I want to remind anyone who places an order that we don't send payment info automatically anymore, we do it in blocks, we get send payment, receive, process, complete and then we send a new block of payment info. We make sure that we finish the old ones before we start new ones, it's important to fill all orders on time right now because when we go private again we want to do it clean with nobody being owed anything.
 
aaron88 said:
Yay these guys seem very helpful. What do you mean by going private?
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I am not the one to really answer that question for you, but I think we all have different sleeping schedules, so ill just tell you this, when you get an email just do what it says. So.etimes it's ten minutes sometimes longerr but its always in the interest of making sure everyone is treated fairly and gets what they order. If they are working to fill older orders it takes longer to ensure they fill the orders for the money they have already taken from costumers and not to have anyone waiting. Once it comes and you pay it will literally be a few days until you get your shipment. Some people take money when they don't even have product and you wait months! They will explain everything, but I promise you can trust the rep and the chief 110%!
 
If you go back a few posts he explains what he means by going private. Don't sweat it bro you will be gtg. Just do what they say to the tee when ordering. I no it sounds stupid , but get all your info correct. I screwed up my adresss with someone else and lost an order. After you send money no need to ask any questions just sit back and wait bro.
 
aaron88 said:
Sounds good. Gonna send the payment in a few hours.
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Good for you, you will enjoy it, the gains are like when you first started lifting, remember looking in the mirror and saying holy shit that first few months? That's what's its like again!Like I have said I'm not an expert, my workout team is a different story but I never thought I needed to do it, I was already as strong and looked better, in my humble opinion lol, but i got cancer, yes in the special place that steals your manhood, no test, muscle melting off no matter how hard I tried to train! Lifting has always been part of my life, bam gone, but now 4 weeks in on an express domestic cycle, just test!, its back! I'm beating my gym partners up all day, strong as hell, growing and growing, so trust me brother you already ha e a leg up on me, your healthy, you will do awesome and you have a team behind you. These guys will answer anything, help you,not to make money but just because they are straight up good dudes, the entire forum for the most part, but express domestics staff helped me, for that I am greatful, my kids have their dad back, my wife her husband,and I have me back! I owe them , I'm no rep, I'm a friend to them
 
Just went back and was reading the old posts about going private. Good thing I found them now. Can't be any happier to find a good legit source that has lots of knowledgeable advice for the products they sell.
 
Hope everyone is having a good dragass Monday, stay motivated and don't give in to the hibernation urges of all this below zero weather. Lucky ones live in the south.
 
Noticed that when I sent an email to express they Sid 150 was the min order but in the order email with payment instructions it said 100 was the min order. I'm spending 200 no matter what but I was just wondering what the min order is for sure
 
aaron88 said:
Noticed that when I sent an email to express they Sid 150 was the min order but in the order email with payment instructions it said 100 was the min order. I'm spending 200 no matter what but I was just wondering what the min order is for sure
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I'm pretty sure its 150 if I'm not mistaken
 
We have just adjusted all of our prices in order to minimize stock before our transition, we have not had a sale like this in months so it's going to get pretty busy. If you don't get payment info right away it means that we are backed up and not taking orders for the moment but as soon as we catch up you will get your payment info. We will be having this sale for the next 5-7 days depending on stock availability, after that we won't take any more orders for a week or so to make sure everything lands ok and that everyone gets what they paid for. Once we are satisfied that all orders are complete we will be completely private, the only way you can place an order at that point is if you have placed one before and we remember you. That's pretty much the only way we can do it because we dont keep info from old orders. This will be better because we can focus on the customers who we have enjoyed doing business with, We don't have to worry about 20 emails a day with people trying to get something for free, no more scammers hopping across boards making fake reviews and all around weak extortion attempts, just good customers doing good business. The ta will be amazing, we will all be safer and we will be able to offer a better more sensible product selection. We will take a break sometime in march and come back better than ever.

sale starts tonight, here are terms and conditions.

1) $200 minimum order because we are expecting a fairly high volume.

2) payment directins will be very clear, we can not go back and keep trying for any one order, if you fail to follow directions and payment fails you will have to go get a refund it will be way to hectic for us to keep trying.

3) if you place an order under the minimum we won't send payment info.

4) Finally the sale didn't start yesterday so you can't be included retroactively, if you already have an order in processing we can't include you now but you are welcomed to place a new order on top of that one.

if you want to check it out go to

www.exressdomestic2.com

emal
[email protected]
 
Hey guys, hows everyone been? Well I'm middle cycle now and getting bloodwork tomorrow , where do I post the results to that? I also placed another order with the chief, western union was pain pain but I'm pretty sure we worked that out now, sucks to wait longer, only an extra day but we all know how we are she we place orders, kids waiting at the mailbox lol. This one is actually a gift for someone else, and I've done lots of research on HGH but I was wondering anybody on here with personal experience, a woman if ones here, its for my wife so id love some first hand knowledge, doseing, cycle length, and what to expect. I can never do the stuff because it also causes cancer cells to grow, so I'm out, but she wants to try and get healthy and in shape. Obviously its her first time taking anything, all advise is welcome, constructive advise please.
 
richiquick79 said:
Hey guys, hows everyone been? Well I'm middle cycle now and getting bloodwork tomorrow , where do I post the results to that? I also placed another order with the chief, western union was pain pain but I'm pretty sure we worked that out now, sucks to wait longer, only an extra day but we all know how we are she we place orders, kids waiting at the mailbox lol. This one is actually a gift for someone else, and I've done lots of research on HGH but I was wondering anybody on here with personal experience, a woman if ones here, its for my wife so id love some first hand knowledge, doseing, cycle length, and what to expect. I can never do the stuff because it also causes cancer cells to grow, so I'm out, but she wants to try and get healthy and in shape. Obviously its her first time taking anything, all advise is welcome, constructive advise please.
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You can post the blood results here or I think you can upload it to pics maybe and post the link to it? What info do you need to know about gh you need to be more specific but there's tons of info out there on Google
 
I'm sure going to miss u guys being on this board, learned a lot from i20, and have been having awesome cycle with good gains with exdomestic gear. But I think it's better what u have decided and will continue my business with u.
 
i20bpm said:
You can post the blood results here or I think you can upload it to pics maybe and post the link to it? What info do you need to know about gh you need to be more specific but there's tons of info out there on Google
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I have found a decent amount of good information on google and other sites, enough where I am pretty comfortable with it, but I also like to see what others experiences are and get advice from people who have actually had first hand knowledge of dose tweaks and things of that nature. Trust me I do my research, I also like to ask questions as well. I tend to want to do things proper the first time, mostly doseing for a woman, gauge of syringe, best time of the day, or if any of that even matters. I can just google it again and follow directions but I just wanted to see if you guys had any input that may be beneficial to have the results optimized.
 
m_groove said:
I'm sure going to miss u guys being on this board, learned a lot from i20, and have been having awesome cycle with good gains with exdomestic gear. But I think it's better what u have decided and will continue my business with u.
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Thanks bro I'm glad you learned some it takes a long time to build the knowledge independently through use and trial and error and am glad its appreciated.
 
richiquick79 said:
I have found a decent amount of good information on google and other sites, enough where I am pretty comfortable with it, but I also like to see what others experiences are and get advice from people who have actually had first hand knowledge of dose tweaks and things of that nature. Trust me I do my research, I also like to ask questions as well. I tend to want to do things proper the first time, mostly doseing for a woman, gauge of syringe, best time of the day, or if any of that even matters. I can just google it again and follow directions but I just wanted to see if you guys had any input that may be beneficial to have the results optimized.
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Well as for dosing time its best in the morning but I can't really say about dosing amounts for a woman bc well I never had to know it lol but yeah like I said Google is awesome. And a 28-30 gauge slin pin will work best bc its a sub q injection usually in the abdominal area around the belly button. alcohol swab the area then just pinch skin away from the stomach and inject in the skin between your fingers then pull pin out then let go and swab again.
 
richiquick79 said:
I have found a decent amount of good information on google and other sites, enough where I am pretty comfortable with it, but I also like to see what others experiences are and get advice from people who have actually had first hand knowledge of dose tweaks and things of that nature. Trust me I do my research, I also like to ask questions as well. I tend to want to do things proper the first time, mostly doseing for a woman, gauge of syringe, best time of the day, or if any of that even matters. I can just google it again and follow directions but I just wanted to see if you guys had any input that may be beneficial to have the results optimized.
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This is some real good gh so she should start at 2 iu a day, skip the weekends and the morning is the best time to use it. IT doesn't do alot for motivation but it cuts fat and for me grows body hair like nothing i've seen befort. I didn't know that as a common gh side but it is doing so for me. give it two weeks and typing will become a real chore, your hands get numb like crazy and she should get used to the idea of an early afternoon nap with insane vivid dreams. I used to leave the investigation discovery channel with the murder shows on tv while I was falling asleep every night because the narraration helps me sleep but it leaks into my dreams now on this stuff. This afternoon I had a dream and my dream had a narrarator, it was all taking place on a burning bus in one of these murder shows, It was vivid and crazy. I've had some crazy tren dreams but this stuff is another level, I guess I never had any really great gh before.
 
m_groove said:
I'm sure going to miss u guys being on this board, learned a lot from i20, and have been having awesome cycle with good gains with exdomestic gear. But I think it's better what u have decided and will continue my business with u.
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We will still be around the board, I can speak for myself but i'd imagine he will be here too, we just won't be doing business on any boards for right now. In fact it might be even better because i'll be a little more free to interact in a way that I could not as an active public source. While sourcing it's best to shy away from giving advice of any kind because people can tend to blame you if something goes wrong but this way I can do so.
 
Don't forget abut the sale we are running right now, it will be our last public sale, if you would like to be included as a future customer i'll let you know later in the week where to contact us to put you on the list if we have done good business in the past. Also later in the week once we stop taking ordres i'd like to send some of the guys who were good enough to do the honorable thing and leave us reviews a few things. We will see what we have left at the end of the sale though, we will be eliminating a few of our blends because the demand may not be there while we have a smaller client pool.
 
i20bpm said:
Well as for dosing time its best in the morning but I can't really say about dosing amounts for a woman bc well I never had to know it lol but yeah like I said Google is awesome. And a 28-30 gauge slin pin will work best bc its a sub q injection usually in the abdominal area around the belly button. alcohol swab the area then just pinch skin away from the stomach and inject in the skin between your fingers then pull pin out then let go and swab again.
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WOW!! 691 comments, you beat me to death in here.
 
Killdlnow3 said:
Are they private. Or do they still have a website?
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They still have a site for the moment, get it while the gettings good!I love their site, lol, was the first site I felt comfortable on! Good sales at the moment as well, its a loss, a understandable reason of course, to see them go!
 
bigchief333 said:
This is some real good gh so she should start at 2 iu a day, skip the weekends and the morning is the best time to use it. IT doesn't do alot for motivation but it cuts fat and for me grows body hair like nothing i've seen befort. I didn't know that as a common gh side but it is doing so for me. give it two weeks and typing will become a real chore, your hands get numb like crazy and she should get used to the idea of an early afternoon nap with insane vivid dreams. I used to leave the investigation discovery channel with the murder shows on tv while I was falling asleep every night because the narraration helps me sleep but it leaks into my dreams now on this stuff. This afternoon I had a dream and my dream had a narrarator, it was all taking place on a burning bus in one of these murder shows, It was vivid and crazy. I've had some crazy tren dreams but this stuff is another level, I guess I never had any really great gh before.
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Hahaha that's crazy your dream had a narrator
 
You still get the contact info, just gotta get out of the heat and away from the reverse scams and attempted extortion. There is an ongoing one now actually. This guy made some threads saying he didn't get his order and trying to smash on us. He got flamed off of most of them because its comical. We gave away $350 worth of product this month to a guy who got scammed at bop, gave $400 to a guy who got scammed on sf and $300 worth so far this month to guys who got scammed at this board. I would be a real crappy scammer to give away $1000 and scam this guys $100 or whatever. I'm the most incompetent scammer in the history of scammery and general shenanigans.
 
That sucks that these guys try that bullshit on these forums. Whatever happened to just good old-fashioned legit business. I really appreciate you guys answering my questions and making this process as hassle free as possible. Can't what to try ed products. Thanks again for everything
 
The one thing you are not is the s word! I wont even put you guys in that category. You have been helpful on the board and off, my hat goes off to a good team all around. It's a shame people play stupid games for such small things and ruin things for people, its sad because its only on a computer that they can play those games, I remember when to rob someone you literally had to be a person that had the nuts to do take it, not a little jerk sitting at home watching porn in his moms basement. I am sorry you have to deal with that to offer great service to the rest of us. I don't see why you'd take a 100$ from that guy when you e held a thousand of mine and came back with twice what I paid for! You treat your costumes like friends, we are actual quite spoiled, great gear, awesome prices, excellent service, and quick delivery, so what's the problem?The only mistake you ever made was in MY FAVOR! Sent me a pack worth hundreds of dollars, then said sorry refused my money and still sent what I ordered all in less then a week!
 
Yeah scammers will always be around unfortunately, its been this way for a very long time just now they have the internet to do it on.
 
bigchief333 said:
You still get the contact info, just gotta get out of the heat and away from the reverse scams and attempted extortion. There is an ongoing one now actually. This guy made some threads saying he didn't get his order and trying to smash on us. He got flamed off of most of them because its comical. We gave away $350 worth of product this month to a guy who got scammed at bop, gave $400 to a guy who got scammed on sf and $300 worth so far this month to guys who got scammed at this board. I would be a real crappy scammer to give away $1000 and scam this guys $100 or whatever. I'm the most incompetent scammer in the history of scammery and general shenanigans.
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Haha, yeah I say you would be a very poor scammer. Thanks for all the help with the guys that got screwed by striated. I sent you a pm, by the way.
 
richiquick79 said:
The one thing you are not is the s word! I wont even put you guys in that category. You have been helpful on the board and off, my hat goes off to a good team all around. It's a shame people play stupid games for such small things and ruin things for people, its sad because its only on a computer that they can play those games, I remember when to rob someone you literally had to be a person that had the nuts to do take it, not a little jerk sitting at home watching porn in his moms basement. I am sorry you have to deal with that to offer great service to the rest of us. I don't see why you'd take a 100$ from that guy when you e held a thousand of mine and came back with twice what I paid for! You treat your costumes like friends, we are actual quite spoiled, great gear, awesome prices, excellent service, and quick delivery, so what's the problem?The only mistake you ever made was in MY FAVOR! Sent me a pack worth hundreds of dollars, then said sorry refused my money and still sent what I ordered all in less then a week!
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I sometimes read thru meso to get laughs, It's a different culture and thought process that I don't think I could ever really understand. Take the situation, A guy creates an account on their board, The very first post he ever makes is a thread saying That we scammed him. Never contributed to therir board or any other before or after as far as I can tell but they treat it as 100% fact with no evidence what so ever. Take the other side of the coin, any one of those guys could have checked across several boards where our threads have probably over 100,000 views, upwards of 5000-10000 comments. There are complaints here and there about pip or ta but I can't recall anyone saying they didn't get threir pack, remember that you have to have 100 flawless transactions to get one good review where one rocky transaction can lead to 3 bad reviews. Those guys on the meso underground seem to bill themselves as the place where you can always get the truth,scam busters and the premiere lab testing forum but it's not like that at all. If this were the case they would take equal offense to reverse scammers who muddy the waters and create an enviroment where nobody can ever realistically count on the place for the unbiased truth that everyone wants.
 
We are now going to start setting up for private customers, this does not mean we are private already, that is six days or so away. This is just a way to start deciding which clients we are taking and on what level. Here is what you need to do in order to continue a private business relationship with us.

1) we have created a throw away email that we will abandon in 2 weeks or so, send us an email to this address [email protected] just let us know who you are and if we need help remembering you we will let you know.

2) once we are satisfied that we know you and you are good to do business with we will send you an email from our new private secure email giving you the details you need to order or contact us.

3) we will end the sale and stop taking orders in 6 days, we will spend the following 2-3 weeks restructuring our network to better fit the needs of a private company, maximize ta and improve communication with customers.

4)after the 2-3 week restructuring period we will take customers by referral only, even if we know you. We are only taking so many new customers at a time so if you want in don't miss the window.

5) If you send an email and it takes us several days to answer it please try to understand that we still have to work on the public business while it's open as well as doing alot of work to perfect the new format.


I guess that's it for now, i'll try to post this message once a day until the sale is over, once again if you want to remain a customer please email us at [email protected]
 
bigchief333 said:
I sometimes read thru meso to get laughs, It's a different culture and thought process that I don't think I could ever really understand. Take the situation, A guy creates an account on their board, The very first post he ever makes is a thread saying That we scammed him. Never contributed to therir board or any other before or after as far as I can tell but they treat it as 100% fact with no evidence what so ever. Take the other side of the coin, any one of those guys could have checked across several boards where our threads have probably over 100,000 views, upwards of 5000-10000 comments. There are complaints here and there about pip or ta but I can't recall anyone saying they didn't get threir pack, remember that you have to have 100 flawless transactions to get one good review where one rocky transaction can lead to 3 bad reviews. Those guys on the meso underground seem to bill themselves as the place where you can always get the truth,scam busters and the premiere lab testing forum but it's not like that at all. If this were the case they would take equal offense to reverse scammers who muddy the waters and create an enviroment where nobody can ever realistically count on the place for the unbiased truth that everyone wants.
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They just have huge egos over there that's why I'm not a member
 
Same here, email sent! Today opened my mailbox and another perfect and quick delivery! You are one great and trustworthy business brother, thanks for everything.
 
Sent email 2. Just recently placed my first order. Hopefully I make the cut. Did back at the gym. Can't wait to start my first real cycle.
 
Don't wanna just change the topic but got a question I need answered and I trust the people here the most. Been taking creatine and no2 products for last 6 months. Gonna do my first cycle very soon. Stop taking creatine and no2 during the cycle and start taking when cycle is over or keep tAking them? Or does it really even matter? Everyone has been giving me different answers but like I said I value everyone's advice here more than others.
 
aaron88 said:
Don't wanna just change the topic but got a question I need answered and I trust the people here the most. Been taking creatine and no2 products for last 6 months. Gonna do my first cycle very soon. Stop taking creatine and no2 during the cycle and start taking when cycle is over or keep tAking them? Or does it really even matter? Everyone has been giving me different answers but like I said I value everyone's advice here more than others.
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I've done both cycles with and without creatine, for me I feel better and get better results without it, I think bc its hard on your kidneys and you don't need to be taking anything that's hard on your body while running aas bc it already is.
 
Thanx for the advice. Think I will stop both then and take them after the cycle to help keep gains along with other pct products.Thanx for advice
 
Checked the status of my order on website and it says completed. Does that mean it's been shipped? First time ordering not sure if an email is sent when order is shipped?
 
aaron88 said:
Checked the status of my order on website and it says completed. Does that mean it's been shipped? First time ordering not sure if an email is sent when order is shipped?
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You usually will get a shipped email but if you just placed the order then no it's not going to ship straight away
 
Yay money was picked up yesterday and today the site said completed. Probably be soon then. Thanx again for your help bro.allot of guys on here get annoyed with the newbies asking questions. I appreciate u taking the time to give me honest answers
 
aaron88 said:
Yay money was picked up yesterday and today the site said completed. Probably be soon then. Thanx again for your help bro.allot of guys on here get annoyed with the newbies asking questions. I appreciate u taking the time to give me honest answers
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Np that's my forte' after all
 
aaron88 said:
Yay money was picked up yesterday and today the site said completed. Probably be soon then. Thanx again for your help bro.allot of guys on here get annoyed with the newbies asking questions. I appreciate u taking the time to give me honest answers
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when it says completed it means it shipped.
 
I thought we would have a little more time but in order to properly monitor shipped orders and still close down the public shop in time we will have to stop taking orders at around 2pm saturday. So that means we will no longer send out payment info after 2pm on saturday, all orders must be fully paid for by sunday at 10pm, that is the final cut off time. This means if you contact us monday to try to give us your payment information to process we will have to tell you to go back and get a refund because we will already have dismissed most of our receivers for the time being. We will stick around for the following 10 days to monitor everything and make sure everyone gets what they paid for, we will not take any new orders at that time. When we have our new system set up and secure we will contact everyone who made the cut onto our private list with the new protocol.

Also it's important for me to mention that it's still fine for you to come around and share your experiences with our company with the board, there is nothing wrong with that. Just be sure not to give out contact info in the open, We will have pretty strict guidelines on how our referral system will work and a strict limit to how many new clients any one customer can refer to us.
 
I have been happy with every aspect of ExpressDomestic since I encountered them, and they have shown themselves to be a class act in a world where that is hard to come by. My go to source from now on.
 
We just received some very dangerous, troubling news. We didn't want to do it this way but I wanted one more post so nobody is in the dark but We are out for right now.

IF you have payment pending please go pick it back up, we are not receiving any more money for any reason.

if we already picked up payment your pack was sent out this morning

In a week or so i'll post some kind of contact info in case anyone is missing anything, Things will move slowly as we are purging the whole operation at the moment.

THank you for your patience,
 
bigchief333 said:
We just received some very dangerous, troubling news. We didn't want to do it this way but I wanted one more post so nobody is in the dark but We are out for right now.

IF you have payment pending please go pick it back up, we are not receiving any more money for any reason.

if we already picked up payment your pack was sent out this morning

In a week or so i'll post some kind of contact info in case anyone is missing anything, Things will move slowly as we are purging the whole operation at the moment.

THank you for your patience,
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No chief I have been laging but man that's really a huge bummer I really am pleased with your gears quality.
 
ugh.....So looks like after the going private post and now this I'll be finding yet another source.... Good luck guys. Hope whatever works out, works out in your favor.
 
This sucks. Just got my first pack from these guys and then this happens. Shipping was fast and communication was great. Finally find a good source. Really hope everything works out for these guys in the long run
 
aaron88 said:
This sucks. Just got my first pack from these guys and then this happens. Shipping was fast and communication was great. Finally find a good source. Really hope everything works out for these guys in the long run
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Send him an email requesting to be on his private list. Hopefully whatever happened isn't permanent, and they can get through it.
 
Yay I sent him one earlier but you never know with these type of things. I'm really hoping I make the list and these guys set up shop again
 
Duh, just saw you said you got your first pack. I'm going on my third week test only. Also picked up some liquid Anavar that I'm pretty curious about. Gonna start that on the backend
 
Feeling good,and getting leaner,but that could be the Epi-tren (ph) kicking in. Just have a good sense of well being. Im hearing the test should be kicking in nicely in a few more weeks. Pinning my glutes was a breeze,but my quad hurt like hell for a few days. Im still learning,so Im sure it was operator error..lol
 
Ya I heard the test e can take up to 3 weeks to kick in. Can't wait gonna start 2morrow morning. Gonna start out at 500mgs a week. Where you get your gear from that you are running now? Express or someone different?
 
I was going to pull the trigger after looking at the mixes on ed2 site. I'm glad I waited when I read what was going on. If you continuing to take private let me know. Would like the Infos for a good domestic to use when needed
 
What a shame.. Been looking around for a decent source these past few weeks. Did a lot of research read some good and wanted to go with them. Hopefully later on I will be able to get on there list..
 
Us I got an order in right before this all happened. Just pinned for the first time 2day. First time ever actually. Shit went smooth I must say
 
So if we've ordered before which I have a few times can we send an email requesting to be on a private list or is it just done or only a select few.
 
Few posts back there was an email address and they said send them an email and they will decide if you are going to be one of their customers. Don't think they made the list yet. I'm not trying to speak for them that's just the info I have gathered from reading all the posts. Good luck bro.
 
miahlaw13 said:
So if we've ordered before which I have a few times can we send an email requesting to be on a private list or is it just done or only a select few.
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If u go back a couple of post you can get the temporary e-mail they made so u can get on their private list. If everything is good with them you should be getting a response within about 2 weeks.
 
Just got an email from there new setup. Did anyone else get sent an email saying they are on the private list. I just wanna verify that we got the same email.
 
Gained 35lbs in my first month!!!!! My stack is:
50mg Liquid Oral Dbol/day
50mg Liquid Oral Anadrol/day
250mg Sustanon 250 3x/week
200mg Deca 2x/week

ALL PRODUCTS doses perfectly!!! The whole ordering process was so smooth and so professional!!!! I STRONGLY RECOMMEND Express Domestics!!! I hope these guys are around forever!!!!
 
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