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First Time SARM User... Help!

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Hey guys. Long time lurker, first time poster. Thanks in advance for all of the information you all have posted on here and for the help you all may be able to give me.

First and foremost, let me give you a little background on myself. I'm 29 years old, a full time student and a waiter to pay the bills. In a less than two years, I should be in law school (yeah, unfortunately one of those guys) as I excel in my studies. As far as my body is concerned, I'm 6'2", 238 lbs (as of this past Tuesday) and, 16.2% BF. Yeah, I know the BF is a little high. I have been lifting and working out faithfully for about a year and a half, with some time off here and there due to injury (dislocated shoulder, patellar tendonitis) and finals during some semesters. I had always *kinda* worked out here and there in my past, for decent stretches of time, but never as dedicated and faithfully as I am now. So in the grand scheme of things, I am probably a new(er) lifter.

As far as diet is concerned, I prep a lot of meals and do my absolute best to eat every 3 hours and eat clean. Diet absolutely isn't flawless, could be better, but none the less, I'm fairly happy with it.

As far as OTC supplements are concerned, this is what I use: BPI ISOHD Whey, ON Gold Standard Casein, Muscle Milk for meal replacement on the go, BPI Best BCAA, ON Glutamine, MusclePharm Assault Black, a little extra NutraKey Beta Alanine when I feel like a need it (i.e., leg day), MusclePharm Creatine and Animal Paks (original).

So what is it that I want? I want the same thing all of us bros want: Build muscle, lose fat. Summer is coming up and I'd love to pack on some serious muscle and cut down BF a bit (again, nothing unique here). So I've been considering making a jump into the non-natty world.

I've been considering getting on a SARM cycle. However, I see SOOOOOOO much conflicting information, suggestions, "studies" all around. On this board, other boards, YouTube, articles, you get the idea. I've watched Gemelli's videos on YouTube, as well anyone else's. Also, some of the jargon seems to throw me off as well. So here I am asking for your help and explanation!

This is what I was considering doing: I was considering running LGD-4033 as a standalone for 8 weeks. Keeping it simple. Trying to get a quick, 8 week bulk in. Perhaps eating a *slight* caloric surplus (certainly no reckless dirty bulking). Then running a PCT. Then immediately going into the SARMS triple stack protocol (Ostarine, S4, GW) for another 8 weeks for a recomp/cut, doing a PCT and being done. Generally speaking, does this sound good to go for my first rodeo? Or would you all suggest something different?

I think where I get confused is here: dosing, on-cycle therapy and PCT. I've seen people suggest 3 mg per day of LGD. I've seen Gemelli recommending 10 mg per day. I've seen people say they ran LGD, didn't get shut down, didn't use a PCT and were fine. I've also heard of total shutdown. I have also read the sticky at the top of this forum regarding PCT and suggesting Ostarine as a PCT. But if I'm eventually trying to come OFF a SARM like LGD and my plan is to take Osta as part of my next stack, should I really be taking it?

So, for the plan I've mapped out, what do you suggest for PCT for these two cycles? I was absolutely going to run HCGenerate while on the LGD (and probably the triple stack) but I've also seen suggestions to run it as a PCT as well (should I really run HCGenerate through two 8 week cycles and PCT)?

Also, I have a *slight* proclivity towards gyno I think. I do carry fat in my chest, its a family thing. My dad did the same, but I never have felt any glandular issue or anything like that, so I absolutely don't want to exacerbate that in anyway. So should I be running an AI (if so, which?) on cycle too? If so, can I run an AI during both cycles and PCT?

Alright, I feel like I just threw a million questions at all of you, so I appreciate your patience and bearing with me here. I'm naturally a really curious person and I ask a lot of questions (hence the law degree). So if anyone could just lay it out what I should be doing here exactly, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks bros.
 
First of all - your cycle plan sounds legit, so you can perfectly do it. Regarding the dosages, it is best to start with 5 mgs of LGD, and then increase the dosage to 10 mgs after a couple of weeks. And it is best to do the PCT, as you don't really know if you will get suppressed, and it is better to be safe than sorry. There is no need to use HCGenerate while on SARMS, so you can save some bucks by using it just on PCT. SARMS do not aromatize, or increase prolactin levels, so gyno should not be a concern for you.
 
Glad you took the time to introduce yourself and post up stats. Welcome to the forum! I like your approach and would run it like this:

1-2 LGD 5mg
3-8 LGD 10mg

run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

you can get everything you need from sarms1.com, ag-guys.com, and n2bm.com

Some of the reason for conflicting information is that everyone reacts differently to different compounds. As you mentioned, some people will have suppression and some have none. You do not have to worry about gyno or running an AI as SARMS do not aromatize into estrogen.
 
Glad you took the time to introduce yourself and post up stats. Welcome to the forum! I like your approach and would run it like this:

1-2 LGD 5mg
3-8 LGD 10mg

run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

you can get everything you need from sarms1.com, ag-guys.com, and n2bm.com

Some of the reason for conflicting information is that everyone reacts differently to different compounds. As you mentioned, some people will have suppression and some have none. You do not have to worry about gyno or running an AI as SARMS do not aromatize into estrogen.


Thanks brother for the straight-forward info and the warm welcome to the forum. Also, thanks to Lev for his two cents.

Alright, so as cut and dry as that was, I still have some questions to build off of that (anyone else feel free to jump in):

So I don't need any on-cycle therapy, at all, for either one of these cycles I plan to run?

When I get to the end of my 8-week cycle of LGD, do I just immediately go from 10 mg of LGD (hypothetically) on a Tuesday and then Wednesday immediately stop taking LGD and jump directly into my full PCT? Is it ok to just abruptly end the cycle and jump into PCT? Or I need to do any transitioning and, if so, what does that look like?

When I'm done with my PCT from the LGD, should I wait a little while (a week or two?) before starting the SARM triple stack? Or should I just hop right into it?

In my original post, I had listed all of the OTC supplements that I was taking. When on a SARMs cycle, is it even necessary to spend money on shit like that? I know the protein powders can stay, obviously, but do the SARMs essentially eliminate the need for pre-workouts, beta alanine, creatine, BCAAs, Glutamine? Or is it a good idea to hang onto that stuff?

Thanks again fellas!
 
Glad you took the time to introduce yourself and post up stats. Welcome to the forum! I like your approach and would run it like this:

1-2 LGD 5mg
3-8 LGD 10mg

run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

you can get everything you need from sarms1.com, ag-guys.com, and n2bm.com

Some of the reason for conflicting information is that everyone reacts differently to different compounds. As you mentioned, some people will have suppression and some have none. You do not have to worry about gyno or running an AI as SARMS do not aromatize into estrogen.

I agree with this.

Each compound effects each person differently. Not only that - there is ALOT of fake sarms on the market. Most people who got severely shut down from SARMS cycle were probably actually using a pro-hormone. SARMS are very minimally suppressive of HPTA and natural testosterone production, assuming you are using the real thing. If you run the mini PCT as laid out above, you won't experience any issues.
 
bro which 2nd post?>....

This one! I'll just copy and paste it here.


Alright, so as cut and dry as that was, I still have some questions to build off of that (anyone else feel free to jump in):

So I don't need any on-cycle therapy, at all, for either one of these cycles I plan to run?

When I get to the end of my 8-week cycle of LGD, do I just immediately go from 10 mg of LGD (hypothetically) on a Tuesday and then Wednesday immediately stop taking LGD and jump directly into my full PCT? Is it ok to just abruptly end the cycle and jump into PCT? Or I need to do any transitioning and, if so, what does that look like?

When I'm done with my PCT from the LGD, should I wait a little while (a week or two?) before starting the SARM triple stack? Or should I just hop right into it?

Because I'm buying the buy 2 get one free from SARMs1, is there any benefit or drawbacks to running LGD standalone > PCT > LGD standalone > PCT? Just for money's sake. According to my math, 3 bottles of LGD from them is 80 MG short of two full 8 week cycles.

In my original post, I had listed all of the OTC supplements that I was taking. When on a SARMs cycle, is it even necessary to spend money on shit like that? I know the protein powders can stay, obviously, but do the SARMs essentially eliminate the need for pre-workouts, beta alanine, creatine, BCAAs, Glutamine? Or is it a good idea to hang onto that stuff?
 
Ok, I am curious because I'm seeing some people say you don't need a PCT with SARMS but some showing a mini PCT cycle on their cycle. Is that just to make sure? like a safety net? I'm confused (easy to do)
 
Ok, I am curious because I'm seeing some people say you don't need a PCT with SARMS but some showing a mini PCT cycle on their cycle. Is that just to make sure? like a safety net? I'm confused (easy to do)

People react differently to different compounds. Some people need PCT, others don't. Also keep in mind that some people are taking SARMs from unreliable sources and are actually taking pro hormones, not SARMs.

In my opinion, PEDs are expensive. They aren't for everyone. So if you're going to do them, do them right and invest the money in a proper PCT. Not only will you minimize the risk of physical/mental side effects coming off of your SARM cycle, but you stand a much greater chance of keeping your gains. I calculated that a standalone LGD cycle with the PCT cycle described above will run me somewhere between $600-$700.
 
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