Hazy steroid

[chip108]

Sometime back I submitted a post regarding cloudy steroid. What it was about was I p reload my darts with steroids. On one of them, the last one loaded, the steroid looked very cloudy while the others were all clear. Most of the replies made perfect sense to me regarding why it might be like that. Most replied it was probably tiny air bubbles.
I am back because I warmed up the syringe that was cloudy slowly with a heating pad. After the syringe warmed up a little the cloudiness disappeared.
So I thought great, it was just air bubbles, maybe. But soon after that, a minute or two, it went right back to being cloudy.

Would anybody know if this cloudiness is the result of steroid crystallizing?
If it is, I am thinking that I probably shouldn't use it.

I would appreciate anybody's thoughts or comments on this.

I would hate to throw it away especially if is just caused by tiny bubbles.

-CL

 

[1Honk123knoH1]

My latest batch of tren from mission is cloudy, nothing gets rid of it other than letting it settle and not disturbing it when I draw.

Not sure this helps but some gear just seems to be more cloudy than others in my experiene, I thought I read somewhere you can get a filter so when you draw into the pin it cleans it however I have not tried this

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[Grillmaster78]

The only time I have ever had gear go cloudy was a bottle of Test 500 that I had in a drawer all summer a few months. It went cloudy and actually had crystals growing on the bottom. I took a pic and emailed it to the supplier where he sent me a new one and told me to throw the bad bottle out.

IMO if your not sure then toss it, it's only one shot right?

 

[muskate]

I personally would just throw it out. It isn't worth the risk. Think about it, that one syringe might of cost you $5. It isn't worth all the stress you are putting yourself through.

 

[RADAR]

Try heating it with a blowdryer and see if it clears up, if not toss it.

 

[Jay Scott]

Can you post comparison pictures?

 

[jp4355]

I've had a few different Vials Crash on me over the years.
Mostly from being Too Cold.

Once when I was Home-brewing and the Mg/Ml Concentration was Too High.

But Never Ever have I had any Gear get Cloudy on me.
I would contact the Supplier and see if any similar problems occurred with anyone else........................................... JP
P.S.
Even when there's Tons of Air Bubble's in my Syringe, it's Not Cloudy.

 

[blowingup72]

I remember your post. I figured it wasn't air bubnle s as they go away pretty much right away after shaking the vial or syringe.

If its CLOUDY its a result of water entering the oil. It takes a small amount to cloud over gear. Like a drop in a syringe is enough to.pull the powder out of the solution.

The only way to clear that problem is to empty the contents into a sterile via . Bring it up to.its melting point and stir until the water evaporates out of the oil. Refiter and it should be good to go.

Crystalization is completely different looking. It will have clear shard like crystals in the solution. Its usually a result of too much active ingredient and not enough oil to hold it in a suspended state. As the temperature go's down the solubility of the powder decreases as well and that's when crystalization starts.

If you don't have the means of refiltering the cloudy gear just consider it a loss.

 

[Grillmaster78]

I remember your post. I figured it wasn't air bubnle s as they go away pretty much right away after shaking the vial or syringe.

If its CLOUDY its a result of water entering the oil. It takes a small amount to cloud over gear. Like a drop in a syringe is enough to.pull the powder out of the solution.

The only way to clear that problem is to empty the contents into a sterile via . Bring it up to.its melting point and stir until the water evaporates out of the oil. Refiter and it should be good to go.

Crystalization is completely different looking. It will have clear shard like crystals in the solution. Its usually a result of too much active ingredient and not enough oil to hold it in a suspended state. As the temperature go's down the solubility of the powder decreases as well and that's when crystalization starts.

If you don't have the means of refiltering the cloudy gear just consider it a loss.

If it were water that got in there, it Def would not hurt to just inject it. but I really do not think it's water. Water would Def not mix up like he is describing, water would just look like just like an air bubble floating around in the oil. I get water in my gear all the time, when mixing a new bottle of peptides up I'll use my syringe for gear to mix the BA water, then I'll use the same syringe to withdraw my gear for that day, change needles then shoot. There is always residual BA water left and it looks just like an air bubble, I can shake that syringe all day and the bubble won't move nevermind separate to make the oil appear cloudy.

I don't think anyone can positivly tell what's going on with it, since it's not that common. That's why I would just throw it out.

 

[blowingup72]

If it were water that got in there, it Def would not hurt to just inject it. but I really do not think it's water. Water would Def not mix up like he is describing, water would just look like just like an air bubble floating around in the oil. I get water in my gear all the time, when mixing a new bottle of peptides up I'll use my syringe for gear to mix the BA water, then I'll use the same syringe to withdraw my gear for that day, change needles then shoot. There is always residual BA water left and it looks just like an air bubble, I can shake that syringe all day and the bubble won't move nevermind separate to make the oil appear cloudy.

I don't think anyone can positivly tell what's going on with it, since it's not that common. That's why I would just throw it out.

100% its water. You are right that at first the water will look just like air bubbles floating around. BUT keep shaking it and shaking it and see what happens. It'll start to cloud over.

- - - Updated - - -

The next time this happens I will take pics and show step.by step how this is solved.

 

[blowingup72]

I just recreated the same situation as the op and clouded over my gear by just adding 2 drops of water. I'll post pics this evening .

 

[blowingup72]

Im not the best at computer stuff so if the pics dont work Ill retry later.

Clear gear.

After adding 2 drops of water you can see bubbles forming that were mistaken for air bubbles.

After mixing it around for a bit, it completely clouded over.

 

[AnDrovis]

Im not the best at computer stuff so if the pics dont work Ill retry later.

Clear gear.

After adding 2 drops of water you can see bubbles forming that were mistaken for air bubbles.

After mixing it around for a bit, it completely clouded over.

You're response is most likely the culprit. Hope you're enjoying the gear.

 

[Grillmaster78]

Good experiment/demonstration.

Wouldn't that mean he would have to shake his bottle around to get it that way? I'm sure he would remember doing that if he did.

I'm still not buying it's water. In my 20 years of buying all various types/suppliers gear I have never had this issue. How does water get in the bottle(assuming it is made/filled properly)? Only issue I ever had was 1 time, had crystals in a bottle of T500 but that's 5grams dissolved and prob not cooked right.

If It is just water, then just inject it. Why even bother trying to "fix" it by heating or whatever. It's good to go.

 

[blowingup72]

You're response is most likely the culprit. Hope you're enjoying the gear.

I'm pretty sure that's what happened but I'm not an expert. Just going by my past experience.

I wasn't sure if your name was the lab or just a coincidenc e in other threads. Yes, I like what I've tried so far. Could you please pm me when you have enough posts? Dont want to derail the thread. Thanks.

 

[Grillmaster78]

Actually thinking about it I want to take my last statement back. If it is water in the bottle I would consider it contaminated and toss it. Unless it's something like a BA water, which is what I get in mine from using the same syringe with my peptides.

With me I know it is sterile BA water in it, and safe to inject. In the post above by blowingup it appears he had to deliberately put in the "water" into the bottle(hope that was sterile water used). I'm doubting the OP had water in his syringe that would result in this.

 

[jp4355]

Actually thinking about it I want to take my last statement back. If it is water in the bottle I would consider it contaminated and toss it. Unless it's something like a BA water, which is what I get in mine from using the same syringe with my peptides.

With me I know it is sterile BA water in it, and safe to inject. In the post above by blowingup it appears he had to deliberately put in the "water" into the bottle(hope that was sterile water used). I'm doubting the OP had water in his syringe that would result in this.

That's Not Bacteriostatic Water in any Steroid.

The BA stands for Benzyl Alcohol.................................................... JP
P.S.
You can't put Water into an Oil Carrier.
Remember Oil and Water don't mix.

 

[Grillmaster78]

That's Not Bacteriostatic Water in any Steroid.

The BA stands for Benzyl Alcohol.................................................... JP
P.S.
You can't put Water into an Oil Carrier.
Remember Oil and Water don't mix.

Lol, did you read why I have BA water in my syringe with my oil based gear?

This whole thread is a discussion on if water is the culprit for the OPS bottle being cloudy.

I say no, and to throw it out. lol

 

[blowingup72]

That's Not Bacteriostatic Water in any Steroid.

The BA stands for Benzyl Alcohol.................................................... JP
P.S.
You can't put Water into an Oil Carrier.
Remember Oil and Water don't mix.

That's the first that I ever heard that someone uses anything water related near their gear.

Anyway, I can tell by his tone that I would just be giving myself a headache. Not worth it.

 

[blowingup72]

Lol, did you read why I have BA water in my syringe with my oil based gear?

This whole thread is a discussion on if water is the culprit for the OPS bottle being cloudy.

I say no, and to throw it out. lol

Ok. I got you. I agree With things like water based Winny you are ok and ba water would be fine. But if happened to be condensation then yes, throw it out. Wouldn't be worth the chance.

If you have another suggestion, I'm open to it.

 

[Grillmaster78]

That's the first that I ever heard that someone uses anything water related near their gear.

Anyway, I can tell by his tone that I would just be giving myself a headache. Not worth it.

No way, believe me I don't have a tone, or at least don't mean to.

Take a look at why I said I have BA water in my gear, I'm the 9th post down on the first page of this thread. Hears what I wrote:

"I get water in my gear all the time, when mixing a new bottle of peptides up I'll use my syringe for gear to mix the BA water, then I'll use the same syringe to withdraw my gear for that day, change needles then shoot. There is always residual BA water left and it looks just like an air bubble, I can shake that syringe all day and the bubble won't move nevermind separate to make the oil appear cloudy."

Believe me, I'm not arguing or trying to be a dick. I just write my honest opinions and my experiences.

 

[blowingup72]

No way, believe me I don't have a tone, or at least don't mean to.

Take a look at why I said I have BA water in my gear, I'm the 9th post down on the first page of this thread. Hears what I wrote:

"I get water in my gear all the time, when mixing a new bottle of peptides up I'll use my syringe for gear to mix the BA water, then I'll use the same syringe to withdraw my gear for that day, change needles then shoot. There is always residual BA water left and it looks just like an air bubble, I can shake that syringe all day and the bubble won't move nevermind separate to make the oil appear cloudy."

Believe me, I'm not arguing or trying to be a dick. I just write my honest opinions and my experiences.

I'm going to try the same thing with ba water and see if it goes cloudy. But it'll be awhile. Can't waste all mybgear on this. Lol

 

[Grillmaster78]

Ok. I got you. I agree With things like water based Winny you are ok and ba water would be fine. But if happened to be condensation then yes, throw it out. Wouldn't be worth the chance.

If you have another suggestion, I'm open to it.

I'm fine with BA water in ANYTHING, because it's sterile.

Yes, if it were from condensation, which would be alot of condensation in a little bottle, then I'd be weary of what else is in it(growing inside).

That's why I always rub my tops with alcohol before inserting the pin into the bottle, they say bacteria can grow on the tops and if it were entered into the bottle it would just grow and ruin it. Let's be honest, most people, me included, just keep the bottles in a drawer or on a shelf somewhere. Not the most sanitary conditions. I keep my peptides in a Tupperware sealed container in the fridge, and I notice a white film that developes on the tops of the bottles so I wipe with alcohol.

 

[blowingup72]

I'm fine with BA water in ANYTHING, because it's sterile.

Yes, if it were from condensation, which would be alot of condensation in a little bottle, then I'd be weary of what else is in it(growing inside).

That's why I always rub my tops with alcohol before inserting the pin into the bottle, they say bacteria can grow on the tops and if it were entered into the bottle it would just grow and ruin it. Let's be honest, most people, me included, just keep the bottles in a drawer or on a shelf somewhere. Not the most sanitary conditions. I keep my peptides in a Tupperware sealed container in the fridge, and I notice a white film that developes on the tops of the bottles so I wipe with alcohol.

I think you would be shocked at how little water it takes to mess up a mil of oil.

 

[Grillmaster78]

I think you would be shocked at how little water it takes to mess up a mil of oil.

I agree. My thing is how is the water getting into the bottle in the first place. Condensation would not happen. Condensation happens when warm air meets a cold surface, think of how on a hot summer day you take a cold beer from the fridge and after awhile the bottle is wett with Condensation.

How would Condensation happen with a small 10ml bottle of gear? Even if it were kept in the freezer and pulled out into a warm house the Condensation would form on the outside. For Condensation to occur you would need a major temp difference between the bottle and the ambient air. when your storing gear inside at room temp, how would it be possible?

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I would not overthink it. I would just toss it. Such a small loss to risk any potential issues. 1 pin is not enough to ruin a cycle.

 

[Grillmaster78]

I would not overthink it. I would just toss it. Such a small loss to risk any potential issues. 1 pin is not enough to ruin a cycle.

That's what I say.

I'm just curious because it seems 2 or 3 people are claiming it's water in the bottle and saying it's normal, one even has a remedy for it like it happens alot to them. I just don't want bad advice going out.

I honestly feel that the OP has contaminated gear and wish he just throws it out. The only way that I would believe this water theory is if he put the water in the bottle himself and shook the hell out of it to make it "cloudy". Even if it were a full bottle I would still toss it, what's that $40 lost??

 

[LevButlerov]

Since it is just one dart that got cloud here, I would rather throw it away - after all, it is always best to be safe, and the cost of the gear in this single sirynge is minimal - definitely not worth the health risk and the stress you are having by thinking about it so much. Always follow the simplest solution, which is in this case throwing the dart away, and using the rest of the gear.

 

[blowingup72]

That's what I say.

I'm just curious because it seems 2 or 3 people are claiming it's water in the bottle and saying it's normal, one even has a remedy for it like it happens alot to them. I just don't want bad advice going out.

I honestly feel that the OP has contaminated gear and wish he just throws it out. The only way that I would believe this water theory is if he put the water in the bottle himself and shook the hell out of it to make it "cloudy". Even if it were a full bottle I would still toss it, what's that $40 lost??

Who said it was normal? And nice way to make assumptions regarding the comment that suggests that it happens all the time. You actually make all kinds of assumptions in your post. The only person who originally said to shoot it was you.

Keep having a closed mind. Its doing wonders for your personality.

 

[blowingup72]

I learned you dont have to shake the hell out of anything to have it cloud over. The op will have to let us know where he stores his needles. They could have beeen in his bathroom unwrapped. It would easy to uinderstand how some condensation could have gotten into a syringe. Anyway, this is the last ill comment on the subject.

For anyone that is still interested as to why your gear may have clouded over these are from other bb sites and from home brewers comments.

I seen little drops of water in the vial afterwards seperated and knew some drops of water got in . Well now my vial still almost full is very cloudy, too cloudy.


I had a few partial bottles of test, so I wanted to add them together in one vial.
I did, and it became cloudy, and has moisture droplets at the top of the bottle.

I put in a vent pin in it, cooked it at 250degrees for 35 minutes.
It came out clear, but when it cooled, it was cloudy again, and has droplets at the top gain.


I've been getting cloudy test after I've been transfering my gear into vials. I'm thinking its water so this time I am going to bake the vials for 2 hours after boiling to make sure theres no water in them.

the last two vials that are cloudy i didn't get all the water out before the gear went back in.

It only takes a tiny bit of steam to make your gear cloudy. A tiny bit if ipa will do the same.

 

[boostin86]

If the bottle had a water bubble in it after brewing it could have been drawn into the syringe . The act of drawing it up could have agitated it into the tiny bubbles and then clouded it over.

In this instance the water would be the contaminant.