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Help with first test cycle!

CriticalEclipzz

CriticalEclipzz

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Hey all,

I was going to do a sarms stack about a year ago that was suggested to me on this site but had a family issue I needed to move out of state for over the last year to help out with so that whole idea went out the door. All is good and I'm back home so I'm ready to look into this again. I had also been suggested to not even do a sarms stack and just go for a simple test cycle considering exercise and diet were on point.

I've been training solid now for just shy of 4 years as in actually taking taking exercise seriously. My diet is good and very basic when it comes to "clean eating" I like to keep things simple including my food. I'm about to turn 28 and I'm 6ft tall and bf% is 16-18%. I've decided I'd rather just go with the test cycle instead of a sarm stack. I need some help with with on cycle support and pct for this cycle though. I see so many people saying different things on other peoples threads about what to take for on cycle support and the pct, so I figured I would start my own thread and get some suggestions in here. I've researched a bunch myself but being that I'm a newbie I'd much rather have someone who's been down that road help me out. I've seen a bunch of people on here that seem so willing to help out and make sure people take a safe route when using gear. It's honestly a huge relief seeing that and definitely calms the nerves for a newb like myself.

I'm thinking 12 week Test E cycle


Week 1-12 500mg Test E (250mg pin Sunday & Thursday) Sound ok? I want to keep it simple and see how I respond.

Now where I want the true help is on cycle support and pct. Can I get some layouts of both of those that would work best with my test E cycle. Ex...what to take...dosages...best place to get from...etc.

Please And Thank You.... Any Help Would Be Greatly Appreciated!
 
Read my post on the PCT sticky for information on when and how long to take your SERM and Gonadtropin in relation to your serum testosterone levels.

The dosage and source information should be very easy to find.

-Xeno
 
arimadex .5 e3d started 2 weeks after first shot and 2 weeks after last shot
pct clomid 100/100/50/50 and nolvadex 20/20/10/10

or you can sub aromasin for adex at 12.5mg ed from week 2-14
 
Bad Juju said:
arimadex .5 e3d started 2 weeks after first shot and 2 weeks after last shot
pct clomid 100/100/50/50 and nolvadex 20/20/10/10

or you can sub aromasin for adex at 12.5mg ed from week 2-14
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SO you're saying do the TEST E 1-12
aromasin for on cycle support at 12.5mg everyday starting 2 weeks after first shot and continuing straight through until 2 weeks after I've had my last shot

And for pct

clomid for 4 weeks at 100ed/100ed/50ed/50ed
Nolvadex for 4 weeks at 20ed/20ed/10ed/10ed..... is that all? AND how long would I wait to start the pct of clomid and nolvadex? 2 weeks after last shot? So basically as soon as I stopped the aromasin?
 
It looks like your on the right track... I would just add hCG at 250ui's twice a week throughout the cycle
but you'll need to discontinue the hCG 4 days prior to SERM treatment.

I'm 48 and have been blasting and cruising for around 4-5 years and follow this as my base for all cycles...

The base: Testosterone - Aromasin 10-12mg every day - and hCG 500iu's twice a week.

Any addition to testosterone and I recommend 500iu's twice a week of hCG.

If hCG is new to you here's what it does and how it works...

HCG mimics the LH signal which is basically injecting an exogenous source of counterfeit LH.

What counterfeit LH does is... signal the testes to produce testosterone even though you're on other
suppressive compounds... and so on.

After a VERY heavy cycle of test, tren, and dbol... I tapered down to a mild test dose before having the boys (swimmers)
tested and the results came back great.

And it keeps your balls BIG!

Keep us posted!
 
CriticalEclipzz said:
SO you're saying do the TEST E 1-12
aromasin for on cycle support at 12.5mg everyday starting 2 weeks after first shot and continuing straight through until 2 weeks after I've had my last shot

And for pct

clomid for 4 weeks at 100ed/100ed/50ed/50ed
Nolvadex for 4 weeks at 20ed/20ed/10ed/10ed..... is that all? AND how long would I wait to start the pct of clomid and nolvadex? 2 weeks after last shot? So basically as soon as I stopped the aromasin?
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that is correct.

you can use hcg if you want but i find it raises estro a little higher when on cycle. the hcgenerate from n2bm is great tho in lieu of true hcg. but overall with what i stated before i think that will be a super solid cycle man.

lift hard and fast. eat right. first cycle is always the best and you'll get insane gains. enjoy it man
 
You cycle looks good to me. Would definitely go for HCGenerate instead of the HCG, and pay close attention to PCT.
 
hcgenerate while on is helpful too. it will keep some natural T production going & make pct a bit easier too.

but alot of your posts and others are on point, just follow whats been said so far.
 
Bad Juju said:
that is correct.

you can use hcg if you want but i find it raises estro a little higher when on cycle. the hcgenerate from n2bm is great tho in lieu of true hcg. but overall with what i stated before i think that will be a super solid cycle man.

lift hard and fast. eat right. first cycle is always the best and you'll get insane gains. enjoy it man
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Ok than you for the feedback. It's greatly appreciated! I'm just trying to get this figured out so when I go to purchase things I'm good to go.
 
gymrat827 said:
hcgenerate while on is helpful too. it will keep some natural T production going & make pct a bit easier too.

but alot of your posts and others are on point, just follow whats been said so far.
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Ok... do you know how long I should run the hcgenerate and at what schedule and dose?
 
Repo said:
It looks like your on the right track... I would just add hCG at 250ui's twice a week throughout the cycle
but you'll need to discontinue the hCG 4 days prior to SERM treatment.

I'm 48 and have been blasting and cruising for around 4-5 years and follow this as my base for all cycles...

The base: Testosterone - Aromasin 10-12mg every day - and hCG 500iu's twice a week.

Any addition to testosterone and I recommend 500iu's twice a week of hCG.

If hCG is new to you here's what it does and how it works...

HCG mimics the LH signal which is basically injecting an exogenous source of counterfeit LH.

What counterfeit LH does is... signal the testes to produce testosterone even though you're on other
suppressive compounds... and so on.

After a VERY heavy cycle of test, tren, and dbol... I tapered down to a mild test dose before having the boys (swimmers)
tested and the results came back great.

And it keeps your balls BIG!

Keep us posted!
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Thank you for the feedback brother! I'm definitely trying to have this all figured out and understood 100% before I order anything. I'd also like to wait until my posts are up so hopefully I can contact that guy Robo that everybody keeps praising.
 
Bad Juju said:
arimadex .5 e3d started 2 weeks after first shot and 2 weeks after last shot
pct clomid 100/100/50/50 and nolvadex 20/20/10/10

or you can sub aromasin for adex at 12.5mg ed from week 2-14
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This is dead on, but have extra novadex in case gyno jumps in the mix. But if ur body fat is low u should be good. Always have everything you need before you start. Dose for gyno pop up start at 40 first day then 20 for a week then cruise at 10 mg until pct.
 
Just curious but I've seen some people say to do the pct more than 4 weeks. Like 5-6...is that necessary? And I'm curious as to how to incorporate the hcgenerate on cycle as well?

So far Test E cycle etc is looking like this...

Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg (250mg pin sunday & thursday)

Weeks 2-14 aromasin 12.5 mg ed

Weeks 15-18 pct using

clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 20/20/10/10

And I was told hcgenerate while on the cycle but I'm not too sure as to how much and when...any takers on that? Sorry but I always ask a lot of questions on everything new I do in life.
 
jolter604 said:
This is dead on, but have extra novadex in case gyno jumps in the mix. But if ur body fat is low u should be good. Always have everything you need before you start. Dose for gyno pop up start at 40 first day then 20 for a week then cruise at 10 mg until pct.
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Oh ok so you're saying get extra because I could possibly need it before pct even starts...

So if gyno starts I take 40mg the first day I notice it. Then for the rest of the week 20 mg each day and then after the first week 10 mg ed until I start pct?
 
CriticalEclipzz said:
Just curious but I've seen some people say to do the pct more than 4 weeks. Like 5-6...is that necessary? And I'm curious as to how to incorporate the hcgenerate on cycle as well?

So far Test E cycle etc is looking like this...

Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg (250mg pin sunday & thursday)

Weeks 2-14 aromasin 12.5 mg ed

Weeks 15-18 pct using

clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvadex 20/20/10/10

And I was told hcgenerate while on the cycle but I'm not too sure as to how much and when...any takers on that? Sorry but I always ask a lot of questions on everything new I do in life.
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Maybe this is just me, but that Aromasin seems a little high. I did 12.5/EOD and was fine, even after battling gyno. This is something you will need to watch and tailor to your own needs.

Basically, if you can get by with 12.5/EOD and not have any gyno flare ups, you should "technically" achieve better results because you need estro to build muscle.


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Jdcain19 said:
Maybe this is just me, but that Aromasin seems a little high. I did 12.5/EOD and was fine, even after battling gyno. This is something you will need to watch and tailor to your own needs.

Basically, if you can get by with 12.5/EOD and not have any gyno flare ups, you should "technically" achieve better results because you need estro to build muscle.


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Ok I'll keep that in mind for sure. Do you know anything about hcgenerate dosing?
 
I'm definitely going to keep looking into stuff myself as well, but you can beat asking direct questions to people who have been down the road before.
 
CriticalEclipzz said:
Oh ok so you're saying get extra because I could possibly need it before pct even starts...

Yes,a longer pct is for a longer cycle like a 20 week test and eq cycle would require longer pct. And I didn't see if you were talking hcg from beginning to pct. You can mix it in with your injection. 250 iu 2x a week it will make recovery alot easier.

So if gyno starts I take 40mg the first day I notice it. Then for the rest of the week 20 mg each day and then after the first week 10 mg ed until I start pct?
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Other than that you are g2g
 
And a longer pct is for a longer cycle, like a test and eq cycle that was ran for 20 weeks. And I didn't see any hcg. You need 500 iu a week. You can inject it with your test. 250 2x a week. Makes recovery easier.
 
jolter604 said:
And a longer pct is for a longer cycle, like a test and eq cycle that was ran for 20 weeks. And I didn't see any hcg. You need 500 iu a week. You can inject it with your test. 250 2x a week. Makes recovery easier.
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Ok so 4 week pct is is fine for my cycle then is what I got from that, considering I will only be doing pins of Test E for 12 weeks.

As for the hcg...I decided I'd rather go with hcgenerate from n2bm which is actually in capsule form if I'm not mistaken. Had a few people tell me it was a better choice than the injectable hcg.
 
CriticalEclipzz said:
Ok so 4 week pct is is fine for my cycle then is what I got from that, considering I will only be doing pins of Test E for 12 weeks.

As for the hcg...I decided I'd rather go with hcgenerate from n2bm which is actually in capsule form if I'm not mistaken. Had a few people tell me it was a better choice than the injectable hcg.
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bro ignore the haters who want you to inject pregnant female urine...go with hcgenerate...
 
gearhead said:
bro ignore the haters who want you to inject pregnant female urine...go with hcgenerate...
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Yeah I'm definitely going to stick with hcgenerate. I also just noticed that guy jolter604 just got banned. Anyways do you know when I should start hcgenerate on the cycle I listed and the dosing for it? Or at least point me in the right direction for me to find out..
 
gearhead said:
bro ignore the haters who want you to inject pregnant female urine...go with hcgenerate...
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During my research I've seen some people say you should do 3 caps every morning and 2 at night...for up to 10 weeks during cycle. Does that sound right? Like what would be best for my 12 week Test E cycle?
 
And for anybody else that reads this..what about n2guard...Should I add that into my pct with the clomid and nolvadex? Or are they enough for a test e cycle?
 
I found this post to be very informative. Thank you! I plan on hitting test for the first time also. Just soaking in all the info first. You should Def log the cycle!
 
dopeitsjustin said:
I found this post to be very informative. Thank you! I plan on hitting test for the first time also. Just soaking in all the info first. You should Def log the cycle!
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I definitely will after I get everything sorted out. I'm still trying to get some more questions in here about the pct...basically how long to run hcgenerate on this cycle and if I should also add in n2guard.

BUMPPPP
 
CriticalEclipzz said:
And for anybody else that reads this..what about n2guard...Should I add that into my pct with the clomid and nolvadex? Or are they enough for a test e cycle?
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bro you should run n2guard with cycle and pct...you always need liver/organ protection...especially when coming off cycle...
 
CriticalEclipzz said:
Ok... do you know how long I should run the hcgenerate and at what schedule and dose?
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3 caps ED during the entire cycle should be enough. You can raise that up to 4 caps during cycle, and 5 caps ED during PCT.
 
LevButlerov said:
3 caps ED during the entire cycle should be enough. You can raise that up to 4 caps during cycle, and 5 caps ED during PCT.
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Ok yeah I was reading somewhere that you shouldn't run the Hcgenerate more than 12 weeks...but a few people have told me it's ok. I just wanted to make sure. I'll probably do 3 caps during the cycle and do a full five when I roll into pct. Hopefully that keeps everything in check. Thanks for the response.
 
gearhead said:
bro you should run n2guard with cycle and pct...you always need liver/organ protection...especially when coming off cycle...
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Yeah upon further reading I see running the n2guard couldn't hurt at all. I started getting together how much I would need of each thing for this cycle. I knew everything together when you combine it all would be expensive but damn lol....So far it's looking around 860 something bucks without the n2guard. I mean that's without any special promotions but yeah considering this is my first time looking into all of this I was definitely surprised how fast the money adds up haha
 
CriticalEclipzz said:
Ok yeah I was reading somewhere that you shouldn't run the Hcgenerate more than 12 weeks...but a few people have told me it's ok. I just wanted to make sure. I'll probably do 3 caps during the cycle and do a full five when I roll into pct. Hopefully that keeps everything in check. Thanks for the response.
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sounds like a good plan
 
As far as PCT goes I've tried a number of things and honestly they all work really well, most recently I used nolvadex which I started AFTER my last shot. I stress this because I to have to take PCT the last few weeks of my cycle but I recently came across some good info by way of following a steroid and body building legend Rich Piana's youtube. Look him up, he knows his stuff and he is no bullshit when it comes to rumours and misconceptions. His advice makes a lot of sense, PCT's basically get your natural production back up, but taking this while still taking a steroid is like taking an upper and downer at the same time, doesn't make a lot of sense. I say grab any PCT, start it after you complete your cycle, and remember to continue to work out and eat like you did during your cycle. I would honestly say that continuing with your routine after is just as important as a PCT. That being said, definitely grab a PCT. HCG is excellent, Nolvadex works great too.

The key is using something to aid you as you come off, there is a lot of argument about what is best and when to take what but I think you are on the right track here.
 
CriticalEclipzz said:
Thank you for the feedback brother! I'm definitely trying to have this all figured out and understood 100% before I order anything. I'd also like to wait until my posts are up so hopefully I can contact that guy Robo that everybody keeps praising.
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That's great you're doing all your research before diving into your cycle...

I see so many people start a cycle and realize they don't have everything in place!

Keep up the good work!
 
clean and easy cycle, test 12 weeks how u have it already adex. started third week. clomid and nolva pct.a very nice and effective cycle. let us know how it goes.
 
Repo said:
That's great you're doing all your research before diving into your cycle...

I see so many people start a cycle and realize they don't have everything in place!

Keep up the good work!
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Yeah man considering the sides you can have..I don't see why some people rush into this shit...take your time...understand it and decide if you CAN deal with some of the potential side effects...
 
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