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Wondering the same Xeno. In the past I would heat brews probably hotter than I would have liked in order to get the hormone to dissolve quicker, but these days I use as little heat as possible. I figure if I don't use too much heat, I don't even have to worry about the chemical structure changing.
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Xeno Pharmaceuticals
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Normally I do as well but I'm interested because it becomes very crash resistant when heated to its melting point.
enrod
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You are potentially changing the chemical structure, as heating it beyond melting will change the structure from a solid to a gas. I may be oversimplifying, but I would imagine you don't want ANY of your hormone escaping as a gas during your brew.
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Xeno Pharmaceuticals
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I'm heating it to the exact melting point. To induce a change in form from liquid to gas requires temperatures approaching 400 degrees for testosterone propionate. Not to mention liquid to gas is a physical change. The issue lies in if whether applying 250 degrees of heat will cause a chemical reaction between testosterone propionate and air (oxidizing) or the BA and BB in the solution.
enrod
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Then theoretically there should be no matter loss, or potency loss for that matter.
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Xeno Pharmaceuticals
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Well the oil and solvents will not evaporate at 250, My only concern is altering the chemical structure through a chemical reaction with the air or solvents. Ive done some more reading and based off personal experiences it seems heating to melting point does not cause an adverse reaction reducing the potency. I pinned some of the experiment test prop, its only been about 18 hours and morning wood/energy levels are markedly improved. Will get bloods to confirm equal potency in three days.
manzach123
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why not just get some off of medlabsupply You can get a 100 pack including stoppers, vials, and flip caps for $62 CAD.
http://www.medlabsupply.ca/collecti...ee-shipping-free-rubber-stopper-free-flip-top
domestichgh
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What's going on here? How can I help?
enrod
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I have a question. I attempted to make liquid orals with ora-plus, but it ended up being very powdery - the powders did not dissolve in the vehicle as I expected.
What did I do wrong? How can I make a liquid oral and it not have a bunch of floating powder particles? Should the powder have been dissolved with heat first?
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What did I do wrong? How can I make a liquid oral and it not have a bunch of floating powder particles? Should the powder have been dissolved with heat first?
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wowstrongarms
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Ora plus suspends stuff, it doesn't make a solution....Gonna need alcohol for a solution
enrod
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So heat the powder in alcohol then combine with ora plus?
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wowstrongarms
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I wouldn't bother with heating personally. I'd just grab some ever clear and toss it in that myself. You are only gonna be drinking like a ml at a time, really not that bad
adammac
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yea see i already have some comin but wont be here til thursday and i have a close friend i have to help andneed some before they come in, just seeing if anyone could help me out ill pay cash or whatever
enrod
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Thanks man. How much alcohol % in the mix do you generally need to create a solution?
wowstrongarms
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I use 100% ever clear or vodka depending on what you are trying to make up. Some things will do fine in vodka, most need ever clear though
Mrsurgeon28
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No you also need PEG300
And you need your ratios correct so you know how much your actually dosing it to...
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wowstrongarms
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You don't need PEG300, you don't even need alcohol. You could suspend it in some olive oil and just shake before use. The correct ratio of powder to liquid is kind of a given here.....
caveman72
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I need some help if I buy ten grams of methyl drostanaline s.drol.I want to make it 10 mg a mill. how much 151 or grain do I use and how big of a container to mix in. I'll put in bottles later
just would appreciate if anybody's converted oral raw to liquid. to help thanks
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just would appreciate if anybody's converted oral raw to liquid. to help thanks
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BuryMeBig
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If that dude bob's still around here wanna prob ask him.... I honestly dont have all that much experience making orals either wish I could help you brother. I can easily find out though stay posted.
davidr79
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Yea, 33.8 is exactly a liter so simple enough... I've suspended some AI"s in alcohol and oil, but that's all...
I hate weighing and capping shit, it's such a crapshoot sometimes.. But it saves money ya know.. Let me know how that comes out...
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I hate weighing and capping shit, it's such a crapshoot sometimes.. But it saves money ya know.. Let me know how that comes out...
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appalachiancriminal
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Fellas,
I just wanted to thank everyone for all of the quality info in this forum. I only wish it was easier to find specific recipes such as those for blends. Any tips?
I just wanted to thank everyone for all of the quality info in this forum. I only wish it was easier to find specific recipes such as those for blends. Any tips?
davidr79
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appalachiancriminal
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Anyone know anything about ephedra still being available in bulk powders? Not asking for a source but just a true or false answer.
I just don't like to send my money out when I know that there is a less effective form of ephedra on the market.
I just don't like to send my money out when I know that there is a less effective form of ephedra on the market.
appalachiancriminal
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Thanks I use basskiller, but I wasn't too familiar with some of the blends themselves. I thought there were 25-50 recipes listed here however, I was browsing the pages and I didn't see them this time. Perhaps I need a finer tooth comb, haha! Regardless thank you for the quick response.
BuryMeBig
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dude I honestly dont know if I've seen a supplier for bulk ephedra man let me check mine but I doubt it
caveman72
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I did blend other day test and deca 200 ,200 mg I just used prop recipe it turned out great. don't be afraid you really wont ruin a brew are least I never have but I'm new to blends.
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appalachiancriminal
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Thanks for the info. I guess I have another dumb question. I see that there is displacement values that differ per g for different compounds. I haven't taken this into consideration so far. I am mostly in this for myself and a few others so I try to go heavy on the compound to ensure quality over quantity. Today I notice it is near 1ml per g for Tren/Test Enanthate. How would I go about compensating for this? Adding or subtracting oil? Or is this more for ensuring you don't end up with more rocket fuel than your shuttle can carry? Any tips, suggestions, or information about the subject would be appreciated. A simple do not worry about it will be just fine!
Mrsurgeon28
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Not my style I like to do things right I bout some of that crap your talking about i personally not a fan take your time and do it right
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Hey guys this will be my first go, any help would be greatly appreciated. 100 g test e. 8 ml ba (2%). 40 ml bb 10%. 277 ml grapeseed oil. I've heard to cook and not to cook. I was going to heat the oil up to a low temp to dissolve quicker. Once it's dissolved with no swirls, suck it up, attach filter, apply needle for a.carb, and blast through filter into vial. Is there any benifit in cooking it at this point? I'm thinking not. Once I blast into say 100 ml vials, is there any reason I can't leave them in there for a.couple of weeks while I have it tested before I bottle it all up? Thanx.
caveman72
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hey bros.I use to just do prohormones then went to the oils. but some orals kickass like mdrol, dmz,epistane anyway since the ban hardly can find I found a site I seen months ago there u.k. but they got the orals I gained on. its www prohormones. com UK.now I'm not affiliated just wanted to share
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PK2
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That's what I started out with.. I still have a bunch lying around somewhere, work well for kickers..
Mrsurgeon28
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PK2
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We may be able to work something out.. I'll see what I have when I get back home and shoot you a pm. I have a few full bottles and a bunch of opened or leftovers so let me check.
We could do that, I'll hit you up when it comes in.
Mrsurgeon28
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Mrsurgeon28
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Fuck that that's costly no sell me your prop for a deal then and use MCT
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signaturess3
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Ha! Shit is true. Been experiencing the same shit for weeks now. Just stay natural cunts!
PK2
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While we're pointing shit out, you 2 MF"s can gtfo here with your smug asses... BMB Idk who the fuck you think you are to talk to people the way you do or act like your shit don't stink... STOP IT
Sig- nobody wants to pay for your fucking home brew gear when they can get proven quality gear for less.. That's why your shit don't sell on here...
Both of you should just pimp your shit in your local gyms.. Don't bitch n moan about people not wanting your gear or being cheap...
I wouldn't buy shit from either fucking one of you...
Mrsurgeon28
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signaturess3
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Awe! Someone's feelings got hurt?! Bitch ass MF's.
BuryMeBig
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GTFO here son with your bull shit, if you aint talking about homebrew you cheap ass bitch then shut your mouth, sorry IZ dont sell my gear to accommodate to the budgets of fuckin bums... cheap ass bitych and who do I think I am? ME fool not some young buck trying to score fuckin samples and pick up on left overs of my half drawn vials hahaha shit
Mrsurgeon28
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PK2
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I'm battled out, I just want to learn some shit and use good gear while having pointless or meaningful conversations with some dudes who enjoy doing the same lol
Mrsurgeon28
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Mrsurgeon28
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Shoot that idea up the chain my man that's a good idea I'm for that all day long.
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Mrsurgeon28
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Amen to that I hope we can all move forward and my apologies if I miss lead you in any way I just wasn't able to spare the funds at the moment and I honestly forgot to inform you... I'm 25 and in college. It bugs me 20x more I promise but Tuition is no joke I have to work and school full time and keep my hobby it's tuff but this is my passion if not nothing else bury me in the gym. Have a good night.
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thechemicals
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Ill fight all you MF's starting with pk2. Battle chosen!
Hey guys a while back I got three vials that crashed with white clumps forming not crystals - the Test was very good which I have been told I need to add some BB to the vial and it will do the trick. I have never brewed so just wondering how this works. So I can add 1ml of Benzyl Benzoate to each vial but do I need to shake it up or heat it up whats the process here. The Test was working very good and I want to try to save these vials. THANKS IN ADVANCE BROTHERS!
BuryMeBig
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ahhh yes I remember you..... I dont like the fact that you again are saying its clumpy not like crystals though correct? but more like theres cum in your vials right? hahaha did you get BB? First off its got to be filtered in... But yea adding heat and shaking to the equation will def. help but by the sounds of it your test is toast... I have some pharmacom trash thats got the same shit let me try and ill let you know if it goes back into solution.
Thanks for the correspondence here brother. Yes I can get some BB and BA shipped out tomorrow. could you please elaborate on the "filtered in process". I was under the impression that I could inject 1ml of BB into the vial heat and shake. Are you implying that I need to get a Watson filter to push the BB in?
BuryMeBig
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You'd only need a syringe filter like the following:
http://www.medical-and-lab-supplies...-sterile-pvdf-membrane-25mm-0-2-m-0-45-m.html
OR
http://www.medical-and-lab-supplies...df-sterile-syringe-filters-in-22-or-45um.html
And for everyones information, Med-Lab carries GVS Syringe filters now, dont even waste a penny on those shit ass filters if you use syringe filters... they are absolute garbage of a company hence why they are cheaper then a pack of gum.
Bac to the topic, so you'd simply draw as much BB in a syringe that youd like to add, also keeping in mind that the syringe filter itself will consume about an mL or so, so youd draw it up, then attach your sterile syringe filter to the end, with a 18g tip attached to the syringe filter k, vent your vial by sticking a 23-25G tip only into the same vial as well just enough so it allows for air dispersion as you filter your BB or which ever you are adding into the vial. and thats it.... keep the venting tip in the vial but making sure its not touching the oil and you can toss that in the oven at 212 for how ever long you'd like, shaking it periodically.
Thanks so much brother this was exactly the step by step instruction I needed. Much respect BMB!
Wildthing78
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How do u take some of there pip out of ur gear it supposed to be test e 400 can someone please help
VulcanLabs
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NY REBEL
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Cut it bro.. Lol is gso
Without having to go through 400 pages... are we allowed to ask for/discuss legit raw sources? I've been ordering gear Canadian domestic but would like to get into homebrewing. Haven't seen much talk about raw sources on these boards, so any help appreciated. Thanks
NY REBEL
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Feel free.. But realize your might hear myriad of views
NY REBEL
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GSO.. I gave it to him.
TreyG
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Be carefule bro people will see this and try yo sell anything. Just a heads up.
TreyG
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That dude is on top of his shit. We can all learn from burymebig. Hope it all works out for ya
BuryMeBig
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Your Test E400 is causing you some PIP? How much do you have? If you've got quite a bit (at least I don't know...40ml?) what's normal for someone to have on hand now shit lol seems like everyone's hoarding now days lol, no but if you've got a considerable amount then just pick yourself up a Sterile .22um syringe filter, it's got to say sterile, and on eBay youll find people selling 20ml,50ml,100ml sterile sealed vials even by the singles so it works out for you, the syringe filters as well, but say you've got 20ml of t400, get yourself a larger sterile empty vial and first try refiltering the gear into the new vial.. Hit it, if the issues still there, then also on eBay you can purchase even just 10ml of any carrier oil you choose to bring the concentration down a bit, you'll draw out the plain oil, attach your filter to the end which ideally should have a 18g tip, stick that into your refiltered t400 and filter in the oil. How about this, when time comes well talk details as far as bringing mg down some if need be...
Check out gear-depot man he may not be the cheapest but.... It's a start..
Hey brother thank you! Means a lot! I'll try as best as I can! But if I let anyone down, I'll go ahead and apologize now so I won't have to later hahaha Nah I'm kidding feel free to post it up in here or pm me
PK2
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At 160lbs you'd get dropped hard brother, weighing in at 5"11 @ 260lbs, your not ready.
Mrsurgeon28
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Mrsurgeon28
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AWW SHIT lol I'm LMFAO 
Unfortunaly I gotta sit this one out i got business to do with him....
Otherwise it would be on like donkey kong everyone need an anal stretching now and again lol
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Unfortunaly I gotta sit this one out i got business to do with him....
Otherwise it would be on like donkey kong everyone need an anal stretching now and again lol
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Mrsurgeon28
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Lol f n a bro I bet that took your mind off power if even for a min
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Mrsurgeon28
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Lol hahahah that's comedy bro don't change the Chanel now I'm tuned in.
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What's up guys. Been lurking for a little bit and thought I'd finally say hi. I just started brewing a couple weeks ago. After reading through this thread sounds like I overpaid from overseas but still way cheaper in the end. Made a 10ml of Tren A and 10ml of Test P to start and made sure nothing crashed and no pip. I think the first calculator I found was off because I came up with more than 10ml on the tren. I used the following recipes. Finally found basskillers with the displacement values and it seems better. Although, now I am coming up short. I brewed 8ml of tren a at 100mg per and only ended up with 6.5 vials. Beaker showed 80ml on the dot after brewed. Am using .22 syringe filter.
Any idea why that is happening?
Thanks and glad I found this place.
Any idea why that is happening?
Thanks and glad I found this place.
Duh. The recipes.
Tren a 80ml at 80+mg/ml
59.6 MCT oil
8.6g powder
1.6 BA (2%)
12 BB (15%)
I've been on it a week 100mg Ed and everything is great. A little pip for about an hour and then gone. I'm chalking that up to first time with Tren A. I've ised Tren E last time. Just came up short when I filtered it into vials.
Tren a 80ml at 80+mg/ml
59.6 MCT oil
8.6g powder
1.6 BA (2%)
12 BB (15%)
I've been on it a week 100mg Ed and everything is great. A little pip for about an hour and then gone. I'm chalking that up to first time with Tren A. I've ised Tren E last time. Just came up short when I filtered it into vials.
Test e I brewed at 300mg/ml with the following recipe.
74.6 MCT oil
37.5 mg powder
2.5 BA (2%)
12.5 BB (10%)
Still cam up short barely getting about 10 vials. Although there was a little spillage on this one when I wasn't paying attention and over filled the vial.
Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
74.6 MCT oil
37.5 mg powder
2.5 BA (2%)
12.5 BB (10%)
Still cam up short barely getting about 10 vials. Although there was a little spillage on this one when I wasn't paying attention and over filled the vial.
Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Hey PK. I don't have enough posts to pm so I'll answer here.
IM just starting with this but my thoughts are USP would be better, but regular would be fine as long as you filter it. Usually people use grapeseed oil for the most part. I started with MCT oil and love it. Super thin and my test e came out almost clear.
PK2 said:
IM just starting with this but my thoughts are USP would be better, but regular would be fine as long as you filter it. Usually people use grapeseed oil for the most part. I started with MCT oil and love it. Super thin and my test e came out almost clear.
caveman72
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just wanted to share the test e.and deca nandrolone. I brewed as a mix is kicking ass. love deca my joints can handle weight big weight. gonna make test deca.and deca nandrolone or I might do undecanate on both next time I figure if one is undecanate so should the other.
just wanted to share that a mix of 200 -200 isn't bad I do it three times a week I am gonna add either winstrol or proviron I already do primo with.
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just wanted to share that a mix of 200 -200 isn't bad I do it three times a week I am gonna add either winstrol or proviron I already do primo with.
caveman72 using not abusing
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