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Still Shut Down. Advice Please.

Dudley Dawson

Dudley Dawson

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So I had labs done and I'm still shut down. I've been off since August 7th. Ran a "PCT" of clomid and Nolva, but it didn't work. My Test Serum is 121, Total Test is 23.5, LH is .1, FSH is<.2, Estradiol is 6.0. Going to see an endo on the 10th. Currently running HCGenerate ES at 5 caps/day. I am planning on running clomid and nolva again, starting today at the Perfect PCT dosages. No SARMS are going to be ran. Any advice please.
 
Dudley Dawson said:
So I had labs done and I'm still shut down. I've been off since August 7th. Ran a "PCT" of clomid and Nolva, but it didn't work. My Test Serum is 121, Total Test is 23.5, LH is .1, FSH is<.2, Estradiol is 6.0. Going to see an endo on the 10th. Currently running HCGenerate ES at 5 caps/day. I am planning on running clomid and nolva again, starting today at the Perfect PCT dosages. No SARMS are going to be ran. Any advice please.
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Clomid and nolva didnt work? that serum test is terrible so your clomid nolva was probably trash.. When exactly did you get bloods?
 
you can try running clomid at a higher level. Clomid is definitely something the doc would prescribe anyways in order to raises the LH levels in your body. I would also suggest getting iodine drops and supplementing them between 500-1000mcg. This will help rehydrate the pituitary and this can help elevate low LH and FSH levels.

You could take nova because it does help raise LH and FSH levels. I don't suggest doing it again tho as it also suppresses igf-1 and gh levels. Double edged sword so to speak. And really you're not battling an estrogen overload as this is what nova was made to real with

do the iodine thing. it works
 
it hasn't even been 7 weeks since your last injection right?

it takes the esters 5-6 weeks to clear. no reason to panic here.

your mistake was running too short of a pct. no idea what steroids you ran but I recommend guys who run long esters do an 8 week pct + 8 week bridge. wait 4 weeks and then run blood work. your body has only had 1-2 weeks to recover based on what you have written.
 
I was running test e 500mg per week and Deca at 250mgs per week for 10 weeks before that test prop, mast, and Winny for a 12 week cycle. My stupid ass didn't come off. Ran the cycles back to back. Then I did a shitty PCT.
 
Unfortunately, you did things the hard way by not running a proper PCT right off the bat at the end of your cycle. However, your body will still recover.

Run the perfect PCT exactly as it is laid out here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

I personally would include the SARMS in the PCT protocol but if you decide not to, that's up to you. MAKE SURE you are ordering the supplements for the protocol from reputable sources. I.e. ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com. There is no doubt in my mind that your clomid was bunk if your LH levels were that low.
 
Dudley Dawson said:
I was running test e 500mg per week and Deca at 250mgs per week for 10 weeks before that test prop, mast, and Winny for a 12 week cycle. My stupid ass didn't come off. Ran the cycles back to back. Then I did a shitty PCT.
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if you include esters you ran a 25 week cycle. so give it about 6 months to recover before you panic

in the mean time you can use ostarine, GW, natural supps, etc to bridge without suppressing yourself again
 
DAMN. Id run HCG for 4 weeks plus aromasin. And keep running aromasin at a smaller dose the rest of PCT. use clomid/nilva after 4 weeks of pct for 6 weeks.


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I wouldn't go hcg route. His estro would just shoot up again. and no need for anti estrogens since its been weeks since last injection. He should have done more research tho. When i do a 20+ weeks cycle my pct is hard and heavy, even without sarms. I do a 2 month pct protocol that helps big time. Now that i know about sarms it will help even more.
 
Nordic F said:
I wouldn't go hcg route. His estro would just shoot up again. and no need for anti estrogens since its been weeks since last injection. He should have done more research tho. When i do a 20+ weeks cycle my pct is hard and heavy, even without sarms. I do a 2 month pct protocol that helps big time. Now that i know about sarms it will help even more.
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I agree completely.

I strongly advise AGAINST using HCG with your cycle. Many bodybuilders are under the incorrect misconception that HCG usage will help them recover post cycle or keep testicular shrinkage to a minimum while on cycle. I am not sure where this misconception came from but it is very incorrect. HCG is extracted from pregnant female urine. You read that correctly. It is a form of estrogen and causes estrogen levels to rise. High estrogen levels can lead to gynecomastia, increased body fat levels and water retention. Even worse, if HCG is used for too long or in high enough doses, it will inhibit your own testosterone production due to the negative feedback loop via the pituitary gland and hypothalamus.

Use HCGenerate ES or HCGenerate instead to keep HPTA suppression and testicular atrophy to a minimum. 5 capsules/day
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http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/C...erate-p45.html
 
Dudley Dawson said:
I was running test e 500mg per week and Deca at 250mgs per week for 10 weeks before that test prop, mast, and Winny for a 12 week cycle. My stupid ass didn't come off. Ran the cycles back to back. Then I did a shitty PCT.
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There you answered your own question - you have ran a 22 week cycle without doing a proper PCT. It should last at least the same amount of time - that is, approximately 20 weeks. Besides, with so many compounds used, you should be using a very comprehensive PCT, such as the perfect PCT.

3CCs said:
Run a high dose hcg for about 2 weeks then clomid
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Ahmad90 said:
DAMN. Id run HCG for 4 weeks plus aromasin. And keep running aromasin at a smaller dose the rest of PCT. use clomid/nilva after 4 weeks of pct for 6 weeks.

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It is a bad idea to use HCG - it is poisonous extract from pregnant female uring, and it may cause such side effects as gynecomastia and suppression. Therefore, it can only get things worse. And 6 weeks are too few for a PCT after such a long cycle.
 
LevButlerov said:
It is a bad idea to use HCG - it is poisonous extract from pregnant female uring, and it may cause such side effects as gynecomastia and suppression. Therefore, it can only get things worse. And 6 weeks are too few for a PCT after such a long cycle.
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This is the most rediculous thing I've ever read. POISONOUS lmao man I guess we should start prosecuting all these endo's for prescribing it lol. HCG is not poisonous and yes HCG will increase estrogen along with testosterone, that's why you use an Ai. So I guess you don't take testosterone either, because that aromatizes as well.
 
Just an update. Had labs done about 10 days ago. Almost everything is in the normal range. Any suggestion on how to lower Prolactin and Cortisol.
 
What'd you end up taking? And why is everyone so against HCG? HCG will raise estrogen so you take it with an AI< and you don't use it for that long so you dont inhibit your own signals. HCGenerate is a great alternative but I don't believe HCG is poisonous.. it can have bad side effects if not used properly just like with any other compound including over the counter supps like advil and tylenol.

Just my .02
 
Hcg will help fill your balls back up to size quick. It's not for long term use tho, your clomid will back it up.

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