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Looking to add NPP or DECA into a cycle I'm starting soon, I'm unsure of which to go for I know both have pros and cons
But what are your guys thoughts and/or experiences with either or?
Thanks
 
nievinn said:
Looking to add NPP or DECA into a cycle I'm starting soon, I'm unsure of which to go for I know both have pros and cons
But what are your guys thoughts and/or experiences with either or?
Thanks
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Well DEca is a long ester with a long half life where as NPP is short. So couple things to consider...recovery, pinning and goals of cycle and cycle length.

Can u tell us more about the upcoming cycles length and lay it out a bit as far as goals.
Thanks and welcome to evo
 
EER said:
Well DEca is a long ester with a long half life where as NPP is short. So couple things to consider...recovery, pinning and goals of cycle and cycle length.

Can u tell us more about the upcoming cycles length and lay it out a bit as far as goals.
Thanks and welcome to evo
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Sure man,

Week 1-4 Dbol @ 30mg
Week 1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week
Week 1-10 (DECA or npp in debate) 300mg DECA or 150mg of NPP

Caber on hand, also aromasin for PCT along with clomid.
Goal is to bulk
Lifting for little over 5 years.
22, 5'9, 180lbs, 12%bf
Won't be going on cycle till around mid September so I have time to organize the cycle and
make sure everything's well and I've heard different people's opinions.
 
EER has some great questions.

Remember Nandrolone is the only known AAS that I know of that even if your levels are clear as far as active life there are still metabolites around for months that can hinder recovery and cause problems.

mands
 
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NPP is easier to recover from. I only pin npp 3 times a week as opposed to twice for DECA so its only one extra pin.

I didn't get as much strength from npp but I didn't bloat as much and I kept more gains because there was much less water.
 
bonacris said:
NPP is easier to recover from. I only pin npp 3 times a week as opposed to twice for DECA so its only one extra pin.

I didn't get as much strength from npp but I didn't bloat as much and I kept more gains because there was much less water.
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Question did you pin the NPP and Deca to have the same total mg's/wk? Like npp is usually 100mg/ml but deca varies from 250 to 300+?
Sry I'm just curious and I trust u know what u r doing I just wanted to ask brother.
 
EER said:
Question did you pin the NPP and Deca to have the same total mg's/wk? Like npp is usually 100mg/ml but deca varies from 250 to 300+?
Sry I'm just curious and I trust u know what u r doing I just wanted to ask brother.
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That's another thing. The price. You can pay the same for 10ml of 100mg npp as 10ml of 250mgof DECA. I pinned the same amount of DECA and NPP.
 
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bonacris said:
That's another thing. The price. You can pay the same for 10ml of 100mg npp as 10ml of 250mgof DECA. I pinned the same amount of each bit the DECA ester is heavier so you actually get more nandrolone from NPP.

Note: only a tiny bit more.
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Yes sir!!! I knew, u knew what was up. I do like NPP for short blast....deca a cruiser for me.
 
EER said:
Question did you pin the NPP and Deca to have the same total mg's/wk? Like npp is usually 100mg/ml but deca varies from 250 to 300+?
Sry I'm just curious and I trust u know what u r doing I just wanted to ask brother.
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EER you know you could actually run less total mg with NPP than with Deca and have similar gains. The total mg available with shorter esters is greater than available with longer esters. I would have to look up the phenyl prop ester vs. decanoate ester to figure out exactly how much less.

mands
 
From memory I think DECA has 64mg of nandrolone per 100mg and npp has 67mg per 100mg. But these numbers mightn't be exact
 
bonacris said:
From memory I think DECA has 64mg of nandrolone per 100mg and npp has 67mg per 100mg. But these numbers mightn't be exact
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If those are correct then not much difference.
bonacris do you think how much available mg over the shorter half life vs. the longer half life needs to be taken into consideration as well?

mands
 
mands said:
If those are correct then not much difference.
bonacris do you think how much available mg over the shorter half life. the longer half life needs to be taken into consideration as well?

mands
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Honestly I don't think so. The variance in numbers is so small in most cases than it won't make any difference to gains. It think it would over complicate things in most of the time. This only difference would test suspension which is 100mg per 100mg. I think tren ace is something like 87 per 100 while tren enan is 70ish.

Unless you are really anal and want to get exactly 500mgs of test it is not going to make any difference. Just my opinion
 
mands said:
EER you know you could actually run less total mg with NPP than with Deca and have similar gains. The total mg available with shorter esters is greater than available with longer esters. I would have to look up the phenyl prop ester vs. decanoate ester to figure out exactly how much less.

mands
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yes but the diff is minimal imo.
 
Thanks for the posts guys, much appreciated! Looks like I'm going to give NPP a whirl this
time around.
 
Thats why I wont use NPP or EQ is because of the BP issue. Deca is my go to for weight gain and my joints (35 years old and my joints are starting to feel it lol), needless to say I never go on cycle without at-least a small amount of deca for my joints.
 
So the guys who get BP issues on NPP, how high were u running it and with how much test?
 
Uhhh OK wait. Isn't npp and DECA the same thing. Lol. Nandrolone phenyl propionate better known as deca-durabolin

KRAZIEONE
 
EER said:
So the guys who get BP issues on NPP, how high were u running it and with how much test?
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Well, I've run it many times, but the last time, where it got completely out of control, I was doing 600mg NPP, 500mg Test E weekly. So nothing crazy, but my BP went sky high. Ended up in the hospital for four days, they couldn't get it under control. Scary.
 
Road Rash said:
Well, I've run it many times, but the last time, where it got completely out of control, I was doing 600mg NPP, 500mg Test E weekly. So nothing crazy, but my BP went sky high. Ended up in the hospital for four days, they couldn't get it under control. Scary.
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NPP at 600mg/wk is more on the higher end of the scale and sides are to be expected. Many things needed to be considered as well e.g. your current situation, stress, work-life, home-life, diet, rest, general health ... all of those WILL have an impact on how your cycle goes.
 
WOW ,Great thread and I would really study and listen to every single piece of advice offered here. Many things to consider, but It really depends on you. Now I have stopped counting after i did cycle #20. I never go over 12-16 weeks if that and Im not one to go over board. I believe use what is needed to progress and no more, no need to ever think you need more - However NPP I personally dont like. I love deca and its my favorite compound and I use it every cycle. Im 50 and I dont have issue recovering, but we all have different lifestyles so that dont mean it will be fine for eveyone. You need to experiement. I obviously have had time to see how I respond. Deca was my initial reason for wanting to try AAS after 12-14 years totaly natural bodybuilder. I was able to get to 215 6% Natural and I was still pretty much the strongest in my gym. AT 50 I weigh 265 thats me in the avatar- Im actually bigger and stronger now than when I was in my 20s. Of course HGH AAS helps LOL. Studying combat , being in Army I was always getting injured so deca has always helped me - NPP does not . Ive avoided surgery after using for a month when the DOcs wanted to cut me open. My favortie cycle is Sust /Deca Winny as the winny dries up any bloat. I chose my compounds to work /complement each other. If I dont use Deca , Ill use EQ, if I dont use Winny Il use masteron. ALthough one of the mods here postd a cyle and that was my dream cycle dynagelli or something- If ya got the cash high dose of primo , anavar man that makes me want to restructure my up and comming one LOL
 
In my opinion NPP has to be ran higher than deca to get the same results. This is due to a much longer half life of deca which results in a higher blood plasma concentration. Whereas npp clears the system quickly deca continues to build and build.

The ratio to compare benefits is approximately 1:1.5 Deca/Npp. So when a normal starting dose of deca is 400 mg/ week the comparable npp dose is 600 mg/ wk. I hope you guys aren't running NPP at 300-400 mg because you won't get much out of it, unless you are new to cycling, which many of you probably are.
 
jigga14 said:
In my opinion NPP has to be ran higher than deca to get the same results. This is due to a much longer half life of deca which results in a higher blood plasma concentration. Whereas npp clears the system quickly deca continues to build and build.

The ratio to compare benefits is approximately 1:1.5 Deca/Npp. So when a normal starting dose of deca is 400 mg/ week the comparable npp dose is 600 mg/ wk. I hope you guys aren't running NPP at 300-400 mg because you won't get much out of it, unless you are new to cycling, which many of you probably are.
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Yet are you taking into consideration the increased active compound due to the shorter ester?

I'm not saying I run npp at three. More like 525-600 but active compound is higher in 400mg of npp than 400mg of deca
 
jigga14 said:
In my opinion NPP has to be ran higher than deca to get the same results. This is due to a much longer half life of deca which results in a higher blood plasma concentration. Whereas npp clears the system quickly deca continues to build and build.

The ratio to compare benefits is approximately 1:1.5 Deca/Npp. So when a normal starting dose of deca is 400 mg/ week the comparable npp dose is 600 mg/ wk. I hope you guys aren't running NPP at 300-400 mg because you won't get much out of it, unless you are new to cycling, which many of you probably are.
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Short esters yield a higher peak plasma concentration than long, so you need to adjust your opinion accordingly to agree with absolute science...
 
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