Drinking while on cycle

[Julz03]

Hello Gentlemen,

So very soon I will start purchasing gear from DS and Robo, but just wanted to to bring up a quick forum about Drinking and being on a cycle.

I usually drink at least a 8-12 beers every 7days. Do you guys think I should quit during my cycle or it shouldn't affect me?

Im 5'7 and weight bout 160lbs.


Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 

[stevesmi]

is this a serious question or are you just asking a question to get the answer you want?

you are 160 pounds, its time for you to grow up and take this serious since you want to run very powerful hormones. otherwise you are wasting your time.

alcohol does not grow muscle, in fact, it does quite the opposite. start putting muscle building things in your body and get serious

 

[Julz03]

this is going to be my first cycle and really trying to get all the knowledge as possible.
this was a legit question.

Thanks for your answer.

 

[Bigguy35]

I'm not a big drinker , never really have been but your liver could take a beating and excess alcohol can convert to estrogen . The alcohol to estrogen conversion is what my doc told me anyhow. Smoke a bowl if you got to take the edge off . 1 beer a night will not hurt you though if that's all you need . Most studies agree with the benefits of a drink a night and that's not just red wine , it's any alcoholic beverage .


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[stretch512]

I think this is a valid question as I know members here who do indulge in a few drinks. I would say while on cycle you need to consider things like your blood pressure and adding crap calories like beer will only hinder your growth. I like to tell people to not drink of course that would be best. If you must I would limit it to about 1-3 drinks per week. I admire people that I meet who proudly state that they have never had a drink or smoked a cigarette or taken a drug. Of course you know the answer already - do not drink period. If you find that you must and you just can't seem to go cold turkey then I would limit it as much as possible. A long time ago I said to myself – I’m sick of taking things that make me weak or make me sick and I started focusing on training and putting things in my body to help me feel strong and fast.

 

[saleen556]

In all honesty one or two light beers at dinner won't hurt you. However anymore than that is counterproductive. I know many guys don't drink at all and that's an even better idea. Excessive alcohol puts a strain on the liver and along with the anabolics could cause excessive damage.

That being said I have a friend that juiced big time 20 years ago and got hammered all the time. He is natural and healthy these days at 45.

 

[Julz03]

Thank you so much for not judging and for giving feedback on this post.

 

[stevesmi]

this is going to be my first cycle and really trying to get all the knowledge as possible.
this was a legit question.

Thanks for your answer.

I can give you a pure black and white answer which is don't drink at all

but I am more concerned with you being 160 pounds and wanting to use steroids. the fact you drink tells me you aren't serious about this in the first place. hope that makes sense.

what is your current diet like? workouts? what is your goal?

 

[stevesmi]

I'm not a big drinker , never really have been but your liver could take a beating and excess alcohol can convert to estrogen . The alcohol to estrogen conversion is what my doc told me anyhow. Smoke a bowl if you got to take the edge off . 1 beer a night will not hurt you though if that's all you need . Most studies agree with the benefits of a drink a night and that's not just red wine , it's any alcoholic beverage .


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the guy is 160 pounds. he needs to learn how to diet and train, beer isn't muscle building food.

would like to see him fix his diet before people start telling him to drink beer everyday

 

[saleen556]

the guy is 160 pounds. he needs to learn how to diet and train, beer isn't muscle building food.

would like to see him fix his diet before people start telling him to drink beer everyday

I agree with you Steve for the most part. Yes his diet and workouts need to be in check. If only guys that really needed the drugs used them the demand would be very low. Over 1/2 the guys using don't need them. They are just to easy to get and people want the instant gratification.

 

[Julz03]

Training 2.0 hrs/day
Monday-Arms-Bicepts/Triceps
Tuesday-Legs/back
Wed-Chest/Shoulder
Thurs-Cardio
Fri-Combination of all
Rest on the weekend

Diet- 2500 calories/day
Grams of Protein- 150gms/day
Carbs-200gms/day

My goal is 175-180 lbs of lean muscle
but have the least minimal body fat.

 

[Bigbird138]

WOW! 2500 calories?! Dude, try eating some food before you go to the juice! I know you want to stay lean but you gotta eat a lot more to grow.
Seriously though man, you need to be learning about nutrition, not steroids IMO.

 

[Julz03]

WOW! 2500 calories?! Dude, try eating some food before you go to the juice! I know you want to stay lean but you gotta eat a lot more to grow.

Trying to increase my food intake but has been really difficult.

No appetite and getting bloated- I will definitely stop the drinking.

Thanks

 

[Bigbird138]

Yeah, filling up with alcohol isn't gonna help you at all. I can relate to having trouble eating as much as I would like. When do you work out? I found moving my workout to earlier in the day gives me an increased appetite throughout. And as always, eating clean allows you to get the most out of your food and consume more of it.

 

[Julz03]

Yeah, filling up with alcohol isn't gonna help you at all. I can relate to having trouble eating as much as I would like. When do you work out? I found moving my workout to earlier in the day gives me an increased appetite throughout. And as always, eating clean allows you to get the most out of your food and consume more of it.

always work out around 6pm everyday.

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

Up that protein bud

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

Trying to increase my food intake but has been really difficult.

No appetite and getting bloated- I will definitely stop the drinking.

Thanks

Russian bear 5000. That will make u gain weight. It should be extremely easy to get in 2500 good calories

 

[crazy_jay]

Trying to increase my food intake but has been really difficult.

No appetite and getting bloated- I will definitely stop the drinking.

Thanks

Two words...peanut butter! Myself, I'm trying to lean up and doing so on 2700 calories, I feel starved all day every day. I personally would eat more protein too.

 

[jmiyamoto]

Going out drinking once a week (or so) probably won't hurt you, but it's not going to help you.

Drinking a lot every day will hurt you, but only because that'd hurt you regardless of whether you took steroids.

If you take higher dosages, yes, your liver could be negatively affected and drinks would make this worse.

 

[Julz03]

Yeah i need too.
I usually drink 2 to 3 protein shakes/day plus my daily meals like chicken,steak, fish...
I use the Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein as my shake.

 

[EER]

Im 5'7 and weight bout 160lbs.


Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Whats the % BF? I mean 5'7" 160 is on the light side but if u are 10% BF that aint too bad...now if u are 15%+ then u need to train and eat better.

Training 2.0 hrs/day
Monday-Arms-Bicepts/Triceps
Tuesday-Legs/back
Wed-Chest/Shoulder
Thurs-Cardio
Fri-Combination of all
Rest on the weekend

Diet- 2500 calories/day
Grams of Protein- 150gms/day
Carbs-200gms/day

My goal is 175-180 lbs of lean muscle
but have the least minimal body fat.

That is a terrible lift routine imo. What is your Max squat, Over head press, Bench, weighted pull-up or Chin, dead lift and Row?

 

[EER]

Two words...peanut butter! Myself, I'm trying to lean up and doing so on 2700 calories, I feel starved all day every day. I personally would eat more protein too.

hahah..three words Peanut Butter and Honey!!!! All natty and local...slathered on cinnamon raisin bread NO GMO sprouted bread.
And downed with Almond Milk.

 

[Julz03]

Russian bear 5000. That will make u gain weight. It should be extremely easy to get in 2500 good calories

Holy shit that looks like a great product, just saw the grams of protein per serving(184)damn.. good stuff.

 

[EER]

Russian bear 5000. That will make u gain weight. It should be extremely easy to get in 2500 good calories

Sorry bro that shit looks terrible. Only 3 servings per container for 26+ bucks...I'd rather eat my calories from whole foods. UGHHHH.

 

[EER]

Oh and to answer OP original question about drinking. It sounds like u binge drink and that in of itself is a HUGE NO NO. Now if you had asked, "I enjoy a nice Dark Oatmeal Porter after a 16 OZ Bison Steak, is that ok?" then I'd probably say, "sure"...but it seems u are just seeking a buzz and thats is a bad idea on or off cycle with alcohol.

 

[Julz03]

Whats the % BF? I mean 5'7" 160 is on the light side but if u are 10% BF that aint too bad...now if u are 15%+ then u need to train and eat better.



That is a terrible lift routine imo. What is your Max squat, Over head press, Bench, weighted pull-up or Chin, dead lift and Row?

(Max) Squad 295lbs
Over head-155lbs
dead lift-155lbs
(max)Bench- 225 lbs

Any suggestions on a better routine..
I don't mind change.

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

Sorry bro that shit looks terrible. Only 3 servings per container for 26+ bucks...I'd rather eat my calories from whole foods. UGHHHH.

Lol I agree man. I would use maybe 2 scoops a day. It's way overpriced and "underdosed". I always suggest whole foods but it seems like he's having trouble getting his intake in wkth whole foods (at least that's what I understood) so I threw out the biggest baddest weight gainer lol

 

[saleen556]

Yep diet is lacking for sure. Need more calories and protein. Don't be afraid of a little fat in the diet. You should be getting atleast 4 meals a day and probably 2 shakes. Go for atleast 3500 calories. I can remember having to eat 5k to 6k a day when I was younger. It's a chore but is what the body needs to grow.

 

[buddhabuilder]

I deal with mentally ill people on a regular basis, and it is basic knowledge that there medications don't work as effectively when they drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. These substances seem to flush the Rx out of their bodies. I can't imagine it is any different with AAS.

I go out regularly, and the bar tenders are pouring my diet Pepsi as I approach the bar. I figure people there are drinking to try to feel as good as I do from solid training and diet.

 

[EER]

(Max) Squad 295lbs
Over head-155lbs
dead lift-155lbs
(max)Bench- 225 lbs

Any suggestions on a better routine..
I don't mind change.

Yes u need to work on strength.
Lifts are AB off AB off split routine
Lift A sets x reps
OHP, 8x2 (add 1 rep to a set each session so next 1,x3, 7x2
Weighted CHin same as OHP
Bench (incline or decline) same rep scheme
Accessories rear delt flies, strict front raises, and cable side raises 2x8-15, rest 15 secs b/n sets
Lift B
Squat same progression as I described above
Bent over Barbell Row
Dead lift
Accessorize single leg ext, single leg lying leg curls, 2x8-15 15 sec rest b/n sets

You can do when and what u want for calves and AB's I recommend AB wheel for AB's

 

[stevesmi]

I think based on what we've seen here you are a couple years away from being ready for steroids.. I lifted for almost 15 years before I even touched steroids!!

I would simplify your workouts into a push/pull/legs type 3 day split instead of being all over the place. aim for 20 sets and 6-8 reps per set. intensify it and push harder. your lifts aren't very good so either you aren't putting in the hours or you just aren't pushing yourself .. need to focus on compound lifts, most dudes in the gym don't do them so they stay looking like avg joes right? well now you know why. i'm like the ONLY person in my gym who even bothers to do cleans for example .. I always see guys doing bicep curls but never doing squats, cleans, or deads. why? cause those are hard to do and painful and guys don't want to feel pain, they want an easy workout

as for diet it doesn't matter what your protein level is at, that isn't going to mean anything. I mean if you get your protein from shakes and not real food then to me that doesn't even count. focus on staying with the basics. eat a meal every 2 hours.. hit protein, carbs, cals per meal. and make sure you are eating your veggies for their vitamins/minerals. dump the protein shakes, you will never learn how to eat or have an appetite when you depend on shakes .. its like learning to drive a stick shift by using an automatic, not gonna happen

really it can take years and years to learn what diet works best for you. its not something that will be fixed overnight

 

[saleen556]

Shakes can be a very valuable tool when you don't have time to sit down and eat a meal. Such as at work when your only allowed a 10-15min break. Shakes can be made with real food such as eggs,milk and peanut butter. Even Ice cream if you really need the calories. I also think 20 sets per body part is too much volume for an ectomorph which it sounds like he may be.

 

[perkinstouch]

I would definitely do a natty bulk first and eat, eat and eat. Also limit beer. Make sure to track you macros everyday and hit them. I had great luck in the past with a natty 5 month fairly clean bulk tracking everything, gained 28lbs total from 157lbs up to 185lbs. After a slow cut was able to get back down to same bf% as when I started and kept 20lbs. Some days you just have to eat even when you not hungry just to hit those macros. It is possible to gain with just diet and right training. I did stronglifts routine and made great strength progress.

 

[stevesmi]

Shakes can be a very valuable tool when you don't have time to sit down and eat a meal. Such as at work when your only allowed a 10-15min break. Shakes can be made with real food such as eggs,milk and peanut butter. Even Ice cream if you really need the calories. I also think 20 sets per body part is too much volume for an ectomorph which it sounds like he may be.

and shakes also ruin your appetite. since the OP has a hard time with that I don't understand the logic behind consuming things that kill appetite.. he needs to stick with plain whole foods until he learns the basics

the thing is on forums is guys have to give advice by putting themselves in other peoples shoes. the OP is skinny as fuck.. 160 pounds benching 225 is skinny, you can spin that all you want. I see these types run to the smoothie bar after their half ass workout all the time at the gym and they have their chocolate smoothie and are proud of themselves. little to they know they just fucked their appetite for the next 4 hours, instead they should be getting themselves to the buffet restaurant down the road instead and eating real food. that's how you bulk

 

[Mr. Wiggles]

I agree with stevesmi. Diet and proper eating habits are tools that will maximize your gains. I really turned the corner in terms of gains once I learned how to eat properly.

Ok.....now with that said.....I love myself a nice strong belgium beer! I don't see a problem with having a beer here and there on cycle. 7-12 beers a week is way to much. Try to get that down to 2 beers then go to none. If I have to drink while on cycle I only drink red wine. Bottom line is you need to focus on eating....lifting....sleeping.....not drinking so much.

 

[saleen556]

and shakes also ruin your appetite. since the OP has a hard time with that I don't understand the logic behind consuming things that kill appetite.. he needs to stick with plain whole foods until he learns the basics

I've never had a problem with shakes killing appetite. It's also easier to consume 1k calories in a shake than sitting down to a meal. I agree it's better to sit down to 6+ meals a day. However with work or even school it can be impossible. Gotta get the colories in one way or the other.

 

[jmiyamoto]

I feel like a lot of this discussion is orthogonal to the actual discussion of whether drinking is harmful on cycle.

I don't think there's really a defined strength point where someone should use steroids. If you're older than 21 and your endocrine development is largely finished and you're 120lb, I don't think that's a transgression. Who knows -- maybe if you do one cycle wrong you'll be motivated to research more about how to do it right the next time. You won't get the most out of your cycles at all, but that's your decision to make.

As for shakes, yeah, I definitely don't have time to eat 4+ full meals a day with my work schedule. It'd be nice if I could, though.

 

[Julz03]

I would definitely do a natty bulk first and eat, eat and eat. Also limit beer. Make sure to track you macros everyday and hit them. I had great luck in the past with a natty 5 month fairly clean bulk tracking everything, gained 28lbs total from 157lbs up to 185lbs. After a slow cut was able to get back down to same bf% as when I started and kept 20lbs. Some days you just have to eat even when you not hungry just to hit those macros. It is possible to gain with just diet and right training. I did stronglifts routine and made great strength progress.

Nice on keeping the 20lbs..
Most of the time is water weight but great job on that. Cheers

 

[perkinstouch]

Nice on keeping the 20lbs..
Most of the time is water weight but great job on that. Cheers

thanks, i think the very slow cut help me save gains.

 

[jp4355]

I just wanted to Touch on something that you said.
You mentioned getting Bloated when you Eat Too Much.
Are You Eating any Wheat Products (Bread/Pasta).
That can Bloat your Stomach.
You Definitely need to Increase your Protein, especially if your BF% is Low.

Also, Drinking in Excess is a NO NO.
A Drink here and there is OK, that's 1....................................... JP

 

[crazy_jay]

I've never had a problem with shakes killing appetite. It's also easier to consume 1k calories in a shake than sitting down to a meal. I agree it's better to sit down to 6+ meals a day. However with work or even school it can be impossible. Gotta get the colories in one way or the other.

Me either but then again, I have no problem eating a fairly clean 4000 calories.

I have two whey shakes a day at work cause I don't have the time to sit and pound 6-8 oz of meat(wish I did, I'd rather eat food). On weekends, only shake I have is before bed and when my casein runs out, I'm switching over to cottage cheese.

 

[stevesmi]

Evo isn't bb.com.... On here we aren't gonna agree that someone 120 pounds is ready for steroids.... Or that they have dedicated themselves enough in the gym...

I feel like a lot of this discussion is orthogonal to the actual discussion of whether drinking is harmful on cycle.

I don't think there's really a defined strength point where someone should use steroids. If you're older than 21 and your endocrine development is largely finished and you're 120lb, I don't think that's a transgression. Who knows -- maybe if you do one cycle wrong you'll be motivated to research more about how to do it right the next time. You won't get the most out of your cycles at all, but that's your decision to make.

As for shakes, yeah, I definitely don't have time to eat 4+ full meals a day with my work schedule. It'd be nice if I could, though.

 

[Julz03]

I just wanted to Touch on something that you said.
You mentioned getting Bloated when you Eat Too Much.
Are You Eating any Wheat Products (Bread/Pasta).
That can Bloat your Stomach.
You Definitely need to Increase your Protein, especially if your BF% is Low.

Also, Drinking in Excess is a NO NO.
A Drink here and there is OK, that's 1....................................... JP

I think Im having too much Olive Garden.
Love pasta and bread well yeah that too...

Im also considering checking my small intestine and making sure its not some what swollen

 

[stevesmi]

I think Im having too much Olive Garden.
Love pasta and bread well yeah that too...

Im also considering checking my small intestine and making sure its not some what swollen

If bread is derived from flour then it's cheap garbage... If u want bread get Ezekiel bread

Olive garden food is nasty, if that is ur diet then no wonder u can't gain

 

[JM750]

No drinking for me. I take this serious, even know I don't compete at 50 yrs old. Fuck booze.

 

[saleen556]

Evo isn't bb.com.... On here we aren't gonna agree that someone 120 pounds is ready for steroids.... Or that they have dedicated themselves enough in the gym...

Agreed. I see pics often of guys cycling that if they didn't say they were I would think their natural. These drugs are to get you beyond your natural limits. I've always wanted it to be obvious I was on. Otherwise I feel I'm doing something wrong.

 

[Julz03]

If bread is derived from flour then it's cheap garbage... If u want bread get Ezekiel bread

Olive garden food is nasty, if that is ur diet then no wonder u can't gain

I guess with that being said, I will definitely change my diet and routine.

Thanks for the info Stevesmi.

 

[Bigguy35]

Wasn't trying to condone drinking everyday like an alcoholic stevesmi. I agree completely that he shouldn't while on cycle but everyone has their vices I suppose . Mines pizza . Not good for you either but I need it once every 2 weeks or I go into seizures . Jk.


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[saleen556]

Wasn't trying to condone drinking everyday like an alcoholic stevesmi. I agree completely that he shouldn't while on cycle but everyone has their vices I suppose . Mines pizza . Not good for you either but I need it once every 2 weeks or I go into seizures . Jk.


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That would be pizza and a couple light beers for me. Gotta live a little.

 

[Julz03]

That would be pizza and a couple light beers for me. Gotta live a little.

Im digging your guys's answers.

Cheers !!

 

[stevesmi]

When u r cutting as a man then u have a refeed day once a week... For me that is usually some pizza and frozen yogurt...that is to keep ur metabolism going... But the other 6days a week u better be dedicated to this or u r wasting ur time doing steroids

If u aren't enjoying the lifestyle and want to get wasted then this isn't for u!

To me living is being proud of the way I look, not drinking beer lol

 

[saleen556]

Agreed. Nothing tastes as good as that feeling you get from being in great shape. When I'm dieting that's always in my head. Makes it very easy to deal with any cravings I may get.

 

[Julz03]

When u r cutting as a man then u have a refeed day once a week... For me that is usually some pizza and frozen yogurt...that is to keep ur metabolism going... But the other 6days a week u better be dedicated to this or u r wasting ur time doing steroids

If u aren't enjoying the lifestyle and want to get wasted then this isn't for u!

To me living is being proud of the way I look, not drinking beer lol

I totally hear ya man. Believe me I will take the time and dedication to do it the right way.
Honestly all these posts give you motivation.

Thanks

 

[ozcroboy]

Load up on protein shakes with banana n peanut butter if ur struggling to get calories in

 

[liftflinn]

Steroids should be your last resort for growth after your diet/training/sleep/lifestyle is all in check

If you want to go out and get plastered every weekend (which 8-12 beers definitely is) - they you aren't ready for steroids. If you aren't dedicated to the lifestyle, then there is no reason for you to juice.

 

[gypsy469]

it shouldn't be a decision based on being cycle or not, I drank for years, and I cant count on one hand how many times I did something I was proud of while drinking......in reality most of the time, it was actually the opposite !!!

the sooner you quit drinking, the sooner you start really living !!

 

[Aton]

I don't know your age or how much effort you have put into fine tuning your nutrition and training. but put the feed bag on eat clean and eat 5-7 times a day. work out in the morning,you will be damn hungry after your workouts. Cut the garbage and empty calories out of your diet. Have a drink once in a while but not every week. At your weight 20lbs should be easy with or without gear just depends how quick you think it's gonna pack on. Dial it all in and it will happen.
IMHO

 

[stevesmi]

I totally hear ya man. Believe me I will take the time and dedication to do it the right way.
Honestly all these posts give you motivation.

Thanks

I have an excellent bulking thread if you go to elitefitness and check the diet section.. its in the sticky

set a realistic goal and you will be there before you know it. you will look back and wonder to yourself why you didn't do it a long time ago

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

I have an excellent bulking thread if you go to elitefitness and check the diet section.. its in the sticky

set a realistic goal and you will be there before you know it. you will look back and wonder to yourself why you didn't do it a long time ago

Checked out your bulking thread. Very interesting. Did you ever create a thread on a cutting diet? Just curious since I'm on a constant cut/recomp until I get down to 210 (265 now)

 

[Bad Juju]

I'm going to agree and disagree with a lot that has been put out

1- you aren't ready for gear. thats for sure. you must first have diet, training and sleeping perfect before using juice.

2-- diet. you need to be eating like 4-5000 cal a day man. with how lean you are your metabolism is super high. going to be a lot of food and high food bills. spend the money on a nutritionist instead of steroids. you'll get better results

3--- when training a proper hypertrophy phase is important for growth. i would do split days chest/bis legs/shoulders and back/tris for 6 days a week. either do high volume of 4 sets with reps at 20/18/16/14 or go with 4sets of 8-10 reps but keep the tempo slow. slower negative reps will put the muscles under more tension thus more growth. look up time under tension workouts or german volume training.

4---- i disagree that shakes are bad. i usually have one or 2 mass shakes blended with spinach and ice. i usually do this post workout then eat a real meal after my shower and then another at night before bed with casein. real food is better but at 250lbs i find it hard to intake the calories i need all day without supplementing

5----- i disagree with small meals every 2 hours. eat breakfast like a king (ex 8-10 eggs 2 whole the rest whites) lunch like a queen and dinner like a college student with a maxed out credit card. slam a shake after your workout and if you truly are hungry during the day get some big ass salads in you. at meals focus on getting the protein in first. the rest will follow. make sure you get good fats in you as well (PB or omega 3s. and eat fish at least 2x a week)

6------ i like to drink. would be lying if i said i didn't. i save it for special occasions only. b-days, halloween, xmas or vacations.

7------- being so lean if you eat and train right you won't have to bulk then cut. i don't believe that is good on the body. i don't see why you can't bulk with lean muscle mass and maintain through proper habits......


good luck

 

[stevesmi]

Checked out your bulking thread. Very interesting. Did you ever create a thread on a cutting diet? Just curious since I'm on a constant cut/recomp until I get down to 210 (265 now)

the problem with a cutting diet is we are all so different that making a black and white thread wouldn't work .. an individual person must figure out what diet works best for them to cut down.. some guys react well to a high protein diet, some guys react better to a vegetarian type diet.

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

the problem with a cutting diet is we are all so different that making a black and white thread wouldn't work .. an individual person must figure out what diet works best for them to cut down.. some guys react well to a high protein diet, some guys react better to a vegetarian type diet.

I don't react well to a high protein cut....I'm going to try a cut with more veggies and different sources of protein then. Not sure how im going to hit protein goals though...more beans broccoli, spinach, quinoa etc I guess

the problem with a cutting diet is we are all so different that making a black and white thread wouldn't work .. an individual person must figure out what diet works best for them to cut down.. some guys react well to a high protein diet, some guys react better to a vegetarian type diet.

 

[stevesmi]

I don't react well to a high protein cut....I'm going to try a cut with more veggies and different sources of protein then. Not sure how im going to hit protein goals though...more beans broccoli, spinach, quinoa etc I guess

i'm not a believer in the whole 'hitting protein goals' thing if you are cutting down. if you are a big dude with a lot of mass already it shouldn't matter. look up the diet I am running.. its called an agrarian diet or type A blood type diet. I've used this diet twice in my life and it worked both times to trim me up bigtime

run a steroid cycle with the diet and you will get excellent results because the steroids will offset the catabolism from the diet

use oily fish, almonds, eggs, legumes for your protein. you won't get as much protein on this diet as the meat eater diets bodybuilders usually have, but trust me you will be fine.

 

[Dynex]

I don't react well to a high protein cut....I'm going to try a cut with more veggies and different sources of protein then. Not sure how im going to hit protein goals though...more beans broccoli, spinach, quinoa etc I guess

try high fat mod protein low carbs

ppl think 2:1 is the law.. it really isn't and outdated,

 

[JackSteel]

If it's one beer a day you're good, but if say you don't drink all week and then on the 7th day you pound 8 beers then the answer is no, you shouldn't.


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[Bad Juju]

no one ver eats enough veggies i find is the biggest problem. they're always worried about when they should eat carbs. if they focused on veggies and protein they'd always be lean. caveman style. I can see why you eat every 2-3 hours stevesmi if thats the diet you're running.

 

[stevesmi]

no one ver eats enough veggies i find is the biggest problem. they're always worried about when they should eat carbs. if they focused on veggies and protein they'd always be lean. caveman style. I can see why you eat every 2-3 hours stevesmi if thats the diet you're running.

yes i agree veggies are very important whether you bulk or cut.

I cut down very easily when I avoid meat, and when I bulk I bulk up easily with meat. everyone is different.

Jack eats oreo cookies with milk and he still stays lean. we all are different

also just for shits I doubt cavemen ate very much meat. ever see that show "naked and afraid" .. the most meat they will have is from grubs and worms. and maybe if they are lucky killing a snake or a bird. its not like they have any success catching a lot of animals for food and I doubt our ancestors a million years ago were able to kill prey very easily either. we are more equipped to farm or trap our food. not catch them.. all the meat you eat today is through farms, its not like some guy went out there and chased down a cow and killed it when you eat a steak know what i'm saying?

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

i'm not a believer in the whole 'hitting protein goals' thing if you are cutting down. if you are a big dude with a lot of mass already it shouldn't matter. look up the diet I am running.. its called an agrarian diet or type A blood type diet. I've used this diet twice in my life and it worked both times to trim me up bigtime

run a steroid cycle with the diet and you will get excellent results because the steroids will offset the catabolism from the diet

use oily fish, almonds, eggs, legumes for your protein. you won't get as much protein on this diet as the meat eater diets bodybuilders usually have, but trust me you will be fine.

I will check that out. I definitely have to change it up man....literally for 6 months I didn't lose any weight or gain any strength. ...I was weird as hell...

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

try high fat mod protein low carbs

ppl think 2:1 is the law.. it really isn't and outdated,

Will check it out man. Thanks

 

[EER]

Going to watch some 80's tribute bands tonight...I'll be the DD and loving every second...prolly have a cheat meal too.

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

Going to watch some 80's tribute bands tonight...I'll be the DD and loving every second...prolly have a cheat meal too.

Ratt? WASP? cinderella? Which bands..

 

[EER]

Ratt? WASP? cinderella? Which bands..

One band will cover: Motley Crue, Poison, Guns n Roses, Kiss, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Journey, Ratt, Skid Row, Warrant, Winger, Tesla, The Cult, Bulletboys, Faster Pussycat, Cinderella and others
Another band only covers Whitesnake and another is a Dokken Tribute band.

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

Shitttt dokken, winger and faster pussycat! That's badass man. All those bands rock...I'll have to post a pic of my bulletboys shirts one time haha

 

[Eatliftsleeprepeat]

If only the MAN billy idol was there it would be be epic lol

 

[Mrsurgeon28]

do what you want my first cycle i drank heavy vodka still put on 26 lbs..... i mean i dont do this now at all i treat my self to bud light when i feel i deserve it but nothing more do you and get awesome results and then tell every one to fuck off.


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[buddhabuilder]

do what you want my first cycle i drank heavy vodka still put on 26 lbs..... i mean i dont do this now at all i treat my self to bud light when i feel i deserve it but nothing more do you and get awesome results and then tell every one to fuck off.


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There are alot of young guys on this forum, so IMO, its is irresponsible for you to post something like this. You are lucky you didn't damage your liver permanently drinking hard liquor while on AAS. Noone should do that.

 

[Bad Juju]

we've all done something stupid whether its drinking or drug abuse while on juice. is it responsible? hells no! would i recommend it! of course not. but at least he is stating that he is good to his body now and gets awesome results

 

[foreveraesthetic]

do what you want my first cycle i drank heavy vodka still put on 26 lbs..... i mean i dont do this now at all i treat my self to bud light when i feel i deserve it but nothing more do you and get awesome results and then tell every one to fuck off.


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You're also a dumbshit and probably looked like shit after your first cycle. No matter how much you tell people how much you gained. Deep down you know you fucked up.

 

[Mrsurgeon28]

You're also a dumbshit and probably looked like shit after your first cycle. No matter how much you tell people how much you gained. Deep down you know you fucked up.

Fuk off



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[Mrsurgeon28]

Think before you speak who's the dumb ass now....not everyone here is old as fuck...go check ur prostate before u call anyone a dumbs ass ......dumb ass


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[Mrsurgeon28]

You're also a dumbshit and probably looked like shit after your first cycle. No matter how much you tell people how much you gained. Deep down you know you fucked up.

Sorry to be such an ass whole but point was he is gonna do what he wants either way


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[EER]

do what you want my first cycle i drank heavy vodka still put on 26 lbs..... i mean i dont do this now at all i treat my self to bud light when i feel i deserve it but nothing more do you and get awesome results and then tell every one to fuck off.


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From a guy in Med school....com'on bro.
I guess u haven't seen enough clinical work yet to see what Hepatic failure looks like...it ant pretty.

 

[EER]

Shitttt dokken, winger and faster pussycat! That's badass man. All those bands rock...I'll have to post a pic of my bulletboys shirts one time haha

It was awesome...then drove in Monsoon rains

 

[Mrsurgeon28]

Yes but as mentioned this was a while ago, as I have learned. But some people are gonna do what they want regardless so I gave him the answer he wanted to here, simply because I have been there before. and was fine the whole time. It's not impossible just not the best choice.


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[EER]

Yes but as mentioned this was a while ago, as I have learned. But some people are gonna do what they want regardless so I gave him the answer he wanted to here, simply because I have been there before.


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Will this be your bedside technique as well? If so, I feel for your patients.
Ok the 80's tribute night has exhausted me. I work 13 hrs in the ED tomorrow night. Later.

 

[Mrsurgeon28]

Enjoy, and no it's not.


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[JackSteel]

Some may not know this but alcohol causes your testosterone (ie. whatever steroids you're on) to break down faster leaving less and less and your system. So it's truly best to stay away altogether unless it's a glass with dinner. I'm sure a glass of wine won't have a significant effect IMO


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[downtime_1]

I read this post from page one and learned a lot from this that I didn't know.

 

[Julz03]

I read this post from page one and learned a lot from this that I didn't know.

Same here.
Some people thought that maybe my question is a joke but in all honest, i really wanted to find out all the disadvantages.

Thank you all.

 

[stevesmi]

Will this be your bedside technique as well? If so, I feel for your patients.
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why? seems like he would fit in quite nicely with today's doctor who is more concerned with getting the patient in and out ASAP so he can make his golf game on time

 

[stevesmi]

Some may not know this but alcohol causes your testosterone (ie. whatever steroids you're on) to break down faster leaving less and less and your system. So it's truly best to stay away altogether unless it's a glass with dinner. I'm sure a glass of wine won't have a significant effect IMO


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a glass of wine once a month or something is fine.. a glass of wine everyday won't work for a lifter whatsoever. wine does contain alcohol after all

 

[stevesmi]

do what you want my first cycle i drank heavy vodka still put on 26 lbs..... i mean i dont do this now at all i treat my self to bud light when i feel i deserve it but nothing more do you and get awesome results and then tell every one to fuck off.


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no doubt you gained 26 pounds.. problem is you started out way below your genetic potential if that is your pic after cycle you posted.. and secondly all that drinking added extra water weight so really a fraction of that 26 pounds was actual muscle.

, if you had not drank alcohol you would of ended up gaining way more muscle and way less water/fat. alcohol is a depressant, hard to focus on working out/sleep which are crucial to gain muscle when you are in depression for an entire cycle. I mean you don't seriously believe that drinking vodka everyday aids in muscle gains do you? don't mean to offend but I'm keeping it real

 

[rockd44]

Tip man just drop the booze. You will be amazed by how much better you feel. I used to drink a lot at college parties the minute i got out and stopped maybe only on holidays I was seeing incredible results, and saved myself A LOT of money

 

[EER]

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no doubt you gained 26 pounds.. problem is you started out way below your genetic potential if that is your pic after cycle you posted.. and secondly all that drinking added extra water weight so really a fraction of that 26 pounds was actual muscle.

, if you had not drank alcohol you would of ended up gaining way more muscle and way less water/fat. alcohol is a depressant, hard to focus on working out/sleep which are crucial to gain muscle when you are in depression for an entire cycle. I mean you don't seriously believe that drinking vodka everyday aids in muscle gains do you? don't mean to offend but I'm keeping it real

Basically my thoughts the other night but didn't want to "upset" the med school boy.

 

[EER]

why? seems like he would fit in quite nicely with today's doctor who is more concerned with getting the patient in and out ASAP so he can make his golf game on time

Most but not all...the few I've found who care will be by my bedside.

 

[JackSteel]

a glass of wine once a month or something is fine.. a glass of wine everyday won't work for a lifter whatsoever. wine does contain alcohol after all

You're correct. I was meaning for regular joes I've heard it's healthy. Maybe that's bunk medicine too though lol wouldn't doubt it. That could just be just for old men lol


Ask me how hard my dick is on VENOM MASTERON!!!!

 

[JackSteel]

Thabks for schooling me once again Steve! I love to know shit but I love to learn shit even more


Ask me how hard my dick is on VENOM MASTERON!!!!

 

[Silverghost99]

I have drank on a cycle before & it just made me feel miserable. Wasnt the hangover, Its just the feeling of putting away all the hard work & getting set back few weeks of results.

Occasional drinks... I do not condone it, Some people have lives apart from hardcore body building. [ I know some wont agree to it, But everyone has their opinions & perspectives ]

Binge drinking is something I do not like. The problem with alcohol is that, it gets addictive if you start drinking it often.

 

[jp4355]

The Biggest Problem with Drinking on Cycle.
It will put your "Liver Enzymes" into the Danger Range faster than anything else I know.

AAS is already putting some Strain on your Liver, some more than others.
To Add Alcohol on top of that, is just Stupid and Irresponsible.
You're just asking for Trouble.......................... JP
P.S.
Can you Say Yellow Jaundice - i.e. (looking like a Very Shiny Yellow Banana, and Peeing Ice Tea), Sounds like Fun, Yippee !!!

 

[getitdone]

i go out regularly, and the bar tenders are pouring my diet pepsi as i approach the bar. I figure people there are drinking to try to feel as good as i do from solid training and diet.

well said!