Bad PIP on Test C???

[weak1]

After you inject, are there absolutely any other symptoms than pain? Does the injection area look different? Do you feel different? etc. These are important things to let us know so we can sort out whats going on.

Week 1 injection left a small lump which took several days for it to go away. But week 2 and 3 did not leave any lump. No redness or heat so I'm not worried about an infection. If you look at my ass you would never know anything was wrong. I haven't had any other sides except for an increase in libido.

 

[krazieone56]

Hmmm.

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[genomex]

The fact that the pain is occurring later is what tells me its not just virgin muscle. Or am I mixing you 2 up. Having 2 people post in the same thread about the same issue is a bit confusing. So wait, are you experiencing pain from the get go, or from 24 hours or so later?

If its happening soon after injection, it could be the pH is screwed up or something minor of that nature. Maybe there was a small issue with that batch. Have you tried another vial to see if its the same deal? It would be easier to find out if you had done cycles before lol.

Because if its there from the injection (or soon after) then its most likely virgin muscle. If its coming ~24 hours later, its something else. If its so extremely painful, it could even be that the Cyp crashed and due to it having a high melting point its crystallized. But that depends on how it was made and the concentration. Perhaps they accidentally used more this batch than they normally do? Idk.

 

[weak1]

Of its happening soon after injection, it could be the pH is screwed up or something minor of that nature. Maybe there was a small issue with that batch. Have you tried another vial to see if its the same deal? It would be easier to find out if you had done cycles before lol.

The fact that the pain is occurring later is what tells me its not just virgin muscle. Or am I mixing you 2 up. Having 2 people post in the same thread about the same issue is a bit confusing. So wait, are you experiencing pain from the get go, or from 24 hours or so later?

Because if its there from the injection (or soon after) then its most likely virgin muscle. If its coming ~24 hours later, its something else. If its so extremely painful, it could even be that the Cyp crashed and due to it having a high melting point its crystallized. But that depends on how it was made and the concentration. Perhaps they accidentally used more this batch than they normally do? Idk.

I always pin late in the afternoon and by morning I have some pip that gradually worsens over time. I have a desk job so that doesn't help, the longer I sit the worse it gets. I can't try another vial as I bought a 20ml jug. I hope it's not the test as I just purchased all my gear for a 12 week cycle and proper PCT. I don't have the funds to buy new test at the moment.

 

[Speedy32]

a bigger question is, what concentration are you injecting? Is it a T400? Higher concentrations will really put the hurts to a virgin muscle. I have just recently gone through a bad experience with a T400 after years of use and it gave me Bad pip along with test flu within 36 hours of injection. you said 400 a week, what is your cycle?

 

[the_waco_kid]

I'm on my 3rd week of a Test only cycle (my very first) and the PIP with all 3 injections has been pretty bad. It even feels like it gets worse each week. My last injection was on Thursday of last week and I can barely put weight on the leg today. I thought Test C was supposed to be better in terms of PIP, is it just because this is my first cycle? FYI, I'm injecting in my butt switching sides each week. I've been using a 22g 1 inch needle and injecting 400mg once a week. Injections are done very slowly after heating the oil. The Test is from a well know source here on evo so I'm pretty confident it's not the problem. Any suggestions?

What brand is the gear? - this makes a huge difference for me if you get one that doesn't agree with you.

 

[biggamestop]

We're both using the test from the proform sale.

 

[weak1]

a bigger question is, what concentration are you injecting? Is it a T400? Higher concentrations will really put the hurts to a virgin muscle. I have just recently gone through a bad experience with a T400 after years of use and it gave me Bad pip along with test flu within 36 hours of injection. you said 400 a week, what is your cycle?

This is test 250 also running aromasin....standard test cycle.

 

[Bigbird138]

Yeah kraz, he said he's doin glute injects and yeah, technique could be part of the problem. But man a lot of people take a little time to get used to test. I know cause I was one of them. My technique was good, did everything right, just took several pins for my muscles to begin to accept it.

 

[Bigbird138]

Damn, just realized there was another page between UR post and my response. Lol

 

[krazieone56]

Yeah kraz, he said he's doin glute injects and yeah, technique could be part of the problem. But man a lot of people take a little time to get used to test. I know cause I was one of them. My technique was good, did everything right, just took several pins for my muscles to begin to accept it.

Ya it could be that. And everyone has a different level of pain tolerance mines pretty high. But I was more concerned about if it is improper technique then that's correctable. If its bad gear then that's a whole other problem.

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[Speedy32]

Being his first time it could be sloppy injections but I would guess his body getting used to the introduction of gear. I have always suggested for 1st timers to start off slower with the 200/250 for a couple off weeks before moving up to the 400 range. it has seemed to help get the muscles acclimate.. I'm not sure about his gear but people must know the difference between PIP and infections! From previous statements I would say its pretty typical to a 1st timer getting some discomfort and mild inflammation. I'm also an old-school er but I would follow bloods before staring the aromasin. I am get knocked for this but has been my experience..

 

[LexxTalon]

Yeh... I' running my first cycle... pinning my quads. I started slow, at about 125 mg (.4cc's) twice in the first week... The first week burned about 30 minutes after injection and lasted a few days... nothing bad though... just a dull burn. It was just virgin muscles... now pinning 250mg (1cc) twice a week, right on Tuesday, and Left of Friday... I decided NOT to rotate muscles, as my quads are fine by the time I need to pin again... and there is almost no burn/pain anymore. The muscle just had to get accustomed to it's new function as an injection site... lol!

Next cycle... I'll break in a different muscle... my lats are too tense to rotate around to get my glutes though... lol!

 

[Bigbird138]

Being his first time it could be sloppy injections but I would guess his body getting used to the introduction of gear. I have always suggested for 1st timers to start off slower with the 200/250 for a couple off weeks before moving up to the 400 range. it has seemed to help get the muscles acclimate.. I'm not sure about his gear but people must know the difference between PIP and infections! From previous statements I would say its pretty typical to a 1st timer getting some discomfort and mild inflammation. I'm also an old-school er but I would follow bloods before staring the aromasin. I am get knocked for this but has been my experience..

Think the gear's pro form, so no worries. Unless I read wrong.

 

[Bigbird138]

Yeh... I' running my first cycle... pinning my quads. I started slow, at about 125 mg (.4cc's) twice in the first week... The first week burned about 30 minutes after injection and lasted a few days... nothing bad though... just a dull burn. It was just virgin muscles... now pinning 250mg (1cc) twice a week, right on Tuesday, and Left of Friday... I decided NOT to rotate muscles, as my quads are fine by the time I need to pin again... and there is almost no burn/pain anymore. The muscle just had to get accustomed to it's new function as an injection site... lol!

Next cycle... I'll break in a different muscle... my lats are too tense to rotate around to get my glutes though... lol!

Quads suck man, if you can't get your glutes or get your girl to go it or something, go with delts. Easy to reach and they take oil well. Not so many damn nerves like quads.

 

[biggamestop]

I pinned on sunday. Still have some pip but not like the first 2 weeks.

 

[jp4355]

Biggamestop, what size Pins are you using to Inject with ?

Weak1 - get rid of those "Garden Hoses" (22 g).

I've never put Anything Larger than a 25 g x 5/8" into my Skin, and that's only if the Volume is more than 1 CC.
For 1 CC and under, I use a 27 g x 1/2" Slin Pin, I Barely Bleed........................... JP
P.S.
The 25 g x 1/2" are great for Larger Volume Injections, you just Bury the Needle, and your good.
You don't have to Worry, are you Putting Too Little or Too Much of the Needle into your Skin.

Post Edit:
Repeated Injections with a Large Bore Needle causes Lots of Scar Tissue.

 

[biggamestop]

25g x 1" only pinning in glutes

Should I try 5/8 or 3/4 ?

 

[Casca]

Ur fine with that bro, i could use that easily in my rotation.

No need to discard ur stock.

5/8 all day in shoulders and ventroglute as well.

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CASCA

 

[jp4355]

25g x 1" only pinning in glutes

Should I try 5/8 or 3/4 ?

I Agree with Casca, 1" is fine for Glutes.
I don't Pin Glutes cause I don't trust anyone else except my Rheumatologist with a Needle.
I don't do Ventro-Glutes, cause I'd have to Dislocate one of my Shoulders.
I do Quads and Delts, it just depends on what I'm Pinning as to my Choice of Locations................... JP