Approved Log PCT and Peptides Log

[LevButlerov]

PCT Update

Finally got my bloods back. Shocked is to say the least. Even after 6 months prior, my HPTA kickstarted and is seemingly overloaded at the moment.

There are some great numbers and worrying numbers as well. I'm at the point where I think Clomid50/Nolva40 per day right now may not be appropriate anymore. Thoughts?

I can also see other scary looking numbers like super low Prolactin which might be a lab error?

Also why am I insanely insulin sensitive...?

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2

Test and free test on the low side and e2 on the high side you'll need to do something about this like mod an ai in there low dose aromasin to get it to 90-100

 

[OwEv751]

Test and free test on the low side and e2 on the high side you'll need to do something about this like mod an ai in there low dose aromasin to get it to 90-100

Thanks so much for your support to date @LevButlerov . It's awesome that you spend some time to help the community out like this. Thank you!!!

I'm currently using adex then I'll swap to asin when it arrives. Currently intending low 0.5mg 3x per week on adex/asin.

My HTPA has already started, and it looks like it's overloading right now. Note this was a blood test just BEFORE even taking clomid/nolva. I feel like I should be stopping clomid/nolva now and let my natural hormones balance out? Or should go into lower dose?

 

[Nasser1997o2]

That’s awesome bro!

 

[OwEv751]

Boom! A glorious day for the arrival of @Prymal Peptides! Time to recon tonight and get ready for a new me tomorrow!

I'm currently running a peptides log and have such fascination in experimenting peptides for longevity. These are just the additions I need to complete the perfect low noise long term cycle.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[Chowmanly]

PCT Update

Finally got my bloods back. Shocked is to say the least. Even after 6 months prior, my HPTA kickstarted and is seemingly overloaded at the moment.

There are some great numbers and worrying numbers as well. I'm at the point where I think Clomid50/Nolva40 per day right now may not be appropriate anymore. Thoughts?

I can also see other scary looking numbers like super low Prolactin which might be a lab error?

Also why am I insanely insulin sensitive...?

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2

Those are great numbers given where you’re at now. I’d still follow through with clomid although not so aggressive with the dosage. Need to manage e2 also. Re-test in 2-3 weeks.

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #8 8/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg

(Soon to add )
-DSIP

Again terrible sleep. Caught up with work up to midnight then just itchy feeling constantly.
I'm this close to just adding GH 2IU back just to get through this.

Sleep Score : 4 / 10

Received the care package yesterday from @Prymal . Recon KLOW with 2mL to give 5/5/5/25 mg/mL. Keen to see the difference KLOW will make

Will turn Semax into nasal spray later, but for now will stick with traditional SubQ.

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP (@Prymal ) 0.5mg
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Sleep Log #8 8/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg

(Soon to add )
-DSIP

Again terrible sleep. Caught up with work up to midnight then just itchy feeling constantly.
I'm this close to just adding GH 2IU back just to get through this.

Sleep Score : 4 / 10

Received the care package yesterday from @Prymal . Recon KLOW with 2mL to give 5/5/5/25 mg/mL. Keen to see the difference KLOW will make

Will turn Semax into nasal spray later, but for now will stick with traditional SubQ.

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP (@Prymal ) 0.5mg
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

@OwEv751 Solid work....keep it up.....

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks so much for your support to date @LevButlerov . It's awesome that you spend some time to help the community out like this. Thank you!!!

I'm currently using adex then I'll swap to asin when it arrives. Currently intending low 0.5mg 3x per week on adex/asin.

My HTPA has already started, and it looks like it's overloading right now. Note this was a blood test just BEFORE even taking clomid/nolva. I feel like I should be stopping clomid/nolva now and let my natural hormones balance out? Or should go into lower dose?

EVO family always supports you @OwEv751

i suggest cutting arimidex and swapping to aromasin soon as it gets there

stopping clomid nolva for sure you need to do it but pyramid down

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Im curious on the selank and semax. I dont have any experience with those.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Sleep Log #6 6/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg

(Soon to add )
-5HTP
-DSIP

Had to have the supplements earlier last night due to fasting for blood test. Was fighting sleep for a while to sort out late night work . Still manage in the end to get decent sleep.

Sleep Score : 8.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
GHK-Cu 1mg
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal)
BPC-157 0.5mg
TB-500
KPV 0.5mg
DSIP (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax 1mg

holy peptides batman

 

[ballin2504]

Sleep Log #6 6/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg

(Soon to add )
-5HTP
-DSIP

Had to have the supplements earlier last night due to fasting for blood test. Was fighting sleep for a while to sort out late night work . Still manage in the end to get decent sleep.

Sleep Score : 8.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
GHK-Cu 1mg
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal)
BPC-157 0.5mg
TB-500
KPV 0.5mg
DSIP (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax 1mg

@OwEv751 nice update! Keep it up.

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #9 9/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP (sponsored by @Prymal )

You might be thinking another terrible sleep but this time Oura is slightly wrong. Although the sleep was short because I had to get up at 4 again to go to work, the entire night was uninterrupted. (The little short sleep near the end was me trying to catch a bit more sleep on the train)

Who would have thought that only 0.5mg of DSIP would completely change the game. This is just first night of data though so let's not jump to conclusions until more data presents itself.

I'll still rate last night for what it is,

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP (@Prymal ) 0.5mg
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal)

I'm working in the office today so have no access to my favourite peptides until I come home. Missing the ss31 already

Originally I was intending to pulse DSIP EOD (to reduce dependence) but because last night sleep was too short, I plan for another 0.5mg tonight to get more meaningful data for tomorrow.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[jenkemj]

Sleep Log #9 9/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP (sponsored by @Prymal )

You might be thinking another terrible sleep but this time Oura is slightly wrong. Although the sleep was short because I had to get up at 4 again to go to work, the entire night was uninterrupted. (The little short sleep near the end was me trying to catch a bit more sleep on the train)

Who would have thought that only 0.5mg of DSIP would completely change the game. This is just first night of data though so let's not jump to conclusions until more data presents itself.

I'll still rate last night for what it is,

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP (@Prymal ) 0.5mg
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal)

I'm working in the office today so have no access to my favourite peptides until I come home. Missing the ss31 already

Originally I was intending to pulse DSIP EOD (to reduce dependence) but because last night sleep was too short, I plan for another 0.5mg tonight to get more meaningful data for tomorrow.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Loving your updates mate! How are you finding the ss31? It’s a big peptide stack you getting any bumps in the fat or fat pain?

Pleased to hear about your DSIP I heard previously that the results for many have been negligible, hopefully the good sleep keeps coming!

 

[OwEv751]

Loving your updates mate! How are you finding the ss31? It’s a big peptide stack you getting any bumps in the fat or fat pain?

Pleased to hear about your DSIP I heard previously that the results for many have been negligible, hopefully the good sleep keeps coming!

Thanks brother! This question is kinda hard to credit specifically to SS31 since I have a full stack running that covers broad spectrum, but what I have found is that:

- During my pre PCT stage where I was purely running hcg and hmg to boost my test, my training didn't feel impacted at all. If anything, I felt like my lifts were improving (I just didn't want to push it too hard). This could have been due to my 2700 calories too but I was running those calories while I was on trt as well. How are my lifts improving if my test is lowering?

- My gym training seems to be alot better in the morning fasted than in the afternoon. In the past, I used to love training in the afternoon due to my beliefs in glycogen storing throughout the day. SS31 may have attributed to why I'm now feeling pumped in the morning (since I always inject in morning fasted) but again I'm running multiple peptide stack so I can't just credit SS31 alone.

- Endurance is a big marker I've definitely noticed. When we rep range our exercises to RPE, we typically say 8-10, 12-15, 6-8 etc right? Well, I've never been able to adhere to that. My declining rep to set to maintain RPE would be say 12, then 10, then 7 for 3 sets with fixed rest period. In these months I've able to consistently maintain a -1 declining rep range.

- Mental focus I would say mostly Selank and Semax is doing the major lifting. But again SS31 has been studied to also improve cognition as well.

It's funny you mention injection lumps because ALL of my nodules formed due to my adverse reaction to Mots-c. All the other injections, even NAD+, was fine. I rotate around the body a fair bit rather than just at abdomen.

I find that the peptide pens are so much better than the insulin syringes in managing injection lumps. Might be just me but I give a soft massage as well at the injection site to help disperse the peptide liquid a bit more rather than in one place.

DSIP is a funny one really. My first night is showing a positive experience with it but who knows maybe it might be bunk. Hopefully my data gathering will further support the reseach.

 

[jenkemj]

Thanks brother! This question is kinda hard to credit specifically to SS31 since I have a full stack running that covers broad spectrum, but what I have found is that:

- During my pre PCT stage where I was purely running hcg and hmg to boost my test, my training didn't feel impacted at all. If anything, I felt like my lifts were improving (I just didn't want to push it too hard). This could have been due to my 2700 calories too but I was running those calories while I was on trt as well. How are my lifts improving if my test is lowering?

- My gym training seems to be alot better in the morning fasted than in the afternoon. In the past, I used to love training in the afternoon due to my beliefs in glycogen storing throughout the day. SS31 may have attributed to why I'm now feeling pumped in the morning (since I always inject in morning fasted) but again I'm running multiple peptide stack so I can't just credit SS31 alone.

- Endurance is a big marker I've definitely noticed. When we rep range our exercises to RPE, we typically say 8-10, 12-15, 6-8 etc right? Well, I've never been able to adhere to that. My declining rep to set to maintain RPE would be say 12, then 10, then 7 for 3 sets with fixed rest period. In these months I've able to consistently maintain a -1 declining rep range.

- Mental focus I would say mostly Selank and Semax is doing the major lifting. But again SS31 has been studied to also improve cognition as well.

It's funny you mention injection lumps because ALL of my nodules formed due to my adverse reaction to Mots-c. All the other injections, even NAD+, was fine. I rotate around the body a fair bit rather than just at abdomen.

I find that the peptide pens are so much better than the insulin syringes in managing injection lumps. Might be just me but I give a soft massage as well at the injection site to help disperse the peptide liquid a bit more rather than in one place.

DSIP is a funny one really. My first night is showing a positive experience with it but who knows maybe it might be bunk. Hopefully my data gathering will further support the reseach.

Yeah that’s fair it can be very hard to attribute what’s doing what when it’s all around mitochondrial function.

Yep, I’ve got a little nodule from mots -c aswell and no issues at all running NAD+ at a high dose with no sides. NAD+ is the only one I know I defitnely notice from day to day. In saying that, I’ve been taking nad+ 50mg an injection compared to the 2mg of mots c.

It looks like the ss31 is doing well, gym endurance is great.

Interesting on the peptide pens. I never had any nodules on them either and my insulin pins are 32g 4mm so you’d think the outcome would
Be the same!

 

[Nasser1997o2]

I've been interested in the DSIP. I'm normally good enough with melatonin solo.

Keen to see how you go with it.

 

[bss]

Who would have thought that only 0.5mg of DSIP would completely change the game. This is just first night of data though so let's not jump to conclusions until more data presents itself.

Uninterrupted sleep on night one at just 0.5mg, that's a really promising start. Smart approach not jumping to conclusions yet though, give it a solid week of data before making any calls. Keen to see the Oura trends over the next few nights.

The SS31 discussion with @jenkemj is interesting too. Hard to isolate one peptide from a stack that size but the fact your lifts are holding or improving while your test is lowering on PCT says something is working. Fasted morning training feeling better is an interesting one, could be the mitochondrial support from SS31 kicking in when you're not relying on glycogen.

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #10 10/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Definitely a good amount of sleep overall. A couple of get up in the middle of the night this time, but that's normal. Good amount of deep sleep as well which is always welcomed!

Looks like that straight 6hrs sleep with DSIP might have been just a one time luck maybe.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

Back to my favourite peptide stack on a wonderful Saturday morning! SS31 and NAD+ shots this morning going to do wonders to my mitochondrial ATP production!

For DSIP, will not be taking tonight as we want to start making comparison of data between with DSIP usage and without DSIP usage.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #10 10/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Definitely a good amount of sleep overall. A couple of get up in the middle of the night this time, but that's normal. Good amount of deep sleep as well which is always welcomed!

Looks like that straight 6hrs sleep with DSIP might have been just a one time luck maybe.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

Back to my favourite peptide stack on a wonderful Saturday morning! SS31 and NAD+ shots this morning going to do wonders to my mitochondrial ATP production!

For DSIP, will not be taking tonight as we want to start making comparison of data between with DSIP usage and without DSIP usage.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

good sleep and your BP is on point waiting to see how you like dsip

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #10 10/4/26

Definitely a good amount of sleep overall. A couple of get up in the middle of the night this time, but that's normal. Good amount of deep sleep as well which is always welcomed!

Looks like that straight 6hrs sleep with DSIP might have been just a one time luck maybe.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

8/10 sleep with a couple of wake-ups is still really solid mate! Keen to see how the Oura trends look over the next few nights

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #11 11/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
(None taken last night)
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Decent sleep despite having no supplements at all. The sleep onset was actually a struggle this time, but still managed to stay asleep til the morning. Interesting that despite the straight sleep, Oura rated rather average. Notice as well that my deep sleep and REM sleep window was super short. Don't ignore how important supplements are to your sleep people!

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 0.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

DSIP is back in tonight along with all the other supplements. Gonna try hit the bed at 9PM this time and get some quality and lengthy sleep!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[jenkemj]

Sleep Log #11 11/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
(None taken last night)
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Decent sleep despite having no supplements at all. The sleep onset was actually a struggle this time, but still managed to stay asleep til the morning. Interesting that despite the straight sleep, Oura rated rather average. Notice as well that my deep sleep and REM sleep window was super short. Don't ignore how important supplements are to your sleep people!

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 0.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

DSIP is back in tonight along with all the other supplements. Gonna try hit the bed at 9PM this time and get some quality and lengthy sleep!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

I like these sleep updates bro! What’s your dose on the mots and nad+?

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #11 11/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
(None taken last night)
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Decent sleep despite having no supplements at all. The sleep onset was actually a struggle this time, but still managed to stay asleep til the morning. Interesting that despite the straight sleep, Oura rated rather average. Notice as well that my deep sleep and REM sleep window was super short. Don't ignore how important supplements are to your sleep people!

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 0.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

DSIP is back in tonight along with all the other supplements. Gonna try hit the bed at 9PM this time and get some quality and lengthy sleep!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

you should post diet and training as well because that impacts sleep @OwEv751

 

[OwEv751]

I like these sleep updates bro! What’s your dose on the mots and nad+?

Thanks brother, these daily sleep data are starting to show trend of what supplements actually work or don't work!

Mots-c has taken a break because of my mast cell reaction. Currently trying to fortify my immune system pumping vitamin C, TA-1 and Quercitin. Will restart Mots-c again in a couple of weeks.

NAD+ was 50mg a weeks but now I'm going to increase to 100mg a week. My target dose at the end is hopefully 300-400mg a week. Gotta find a solution to dilute the peptide ph though because it's currently too acidic even with BAC water trying to bring the solution back to neutral ph.

 

[OwEv751]

you should post diet and training as well because that impacts sleep @OwEv751

Absolutely agree! My training log has fallen a bit due to my current work but I'll try pick it back up again!

 

[jenkemj]

Thanks brother, these daily sleep data are starting to show trend of what supplements actually work or don't work!

Mots-c has taken a break because of my mast cell reaction. Currently trying to fortify my immune system pumping vitamin C, TA-1 and Quercitin. Will restart Mots-c again in a couple of weeks.

NAD+ was 50mg a weeks but now I'm going to increase to 100mg a week. My target dose at the end is hopefully 300-400mg a week. Gotta find a solution to dilute the peptide ph though because it's currently too acidic even with BAC water trying to bring the solution back to neutral ph.

Yeah that’s fair!
NAD+ was literally getting used to it for me. I had two injections that gave me bad pip to start and then no pain at all for my other 17ish injections, 3ml in prymal’s 500mg vials worked a charm

 

[LevButlerov]

Absolutely agree! My training log has fallen a bit due to my current work but I'll try pick it back up again!

lets get it back

 

[bss]

Absolutely agree! My training log has fallen a bit due to my current work but I'll try pick it back up again!

Work/life throws curveballs brother. Pick up whenever you're ready mate

 

[Yeahnah]

Sleep Log #11 11/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
(None taken last night)
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Decent sleep despite having no supplements at all. The sleep onset was actually a struggle this time, but still managed to stay asleep til the morning. Interesting that despite the straight sleep, Oura rated rather average. Notice as well that my deep sleep and REM sleep window was super short. Don't ignore how important supplements are to your sleep people!

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 0.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

DSIP is back in tonight along with all the other supplements. Gonna try hit the bed at 9PM this time and get some quality and lengthy sleep!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G888MAA @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Good update brother!

Ive still got some DSIP sitting at home ive neglected keen to see if you reckon it's making a difference for you trialling with & without it.

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #12 12/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Woke up really groggy this morning. Felt like I didn't have enough sleep. It's starting to look like DSIP does increase the chance of maintaining continuous sleep period. Not sure why REM and deep sleep are dropping though.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 50mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 0.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

Back to gym today so hoping to post a good training update later!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #12 12/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Woke up really groggy this morning. Felt like I didn't have enough sleep. It's starting to look like DSIP does increase the chance of maintaining continuous sleep period. Not sure why REM and deep sleep are dropping though.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 50mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 0.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

Back to gym today so hoping to post a good training update later!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

sleeping well it seems but groggy could be valerian test it in and out

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #12 12/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Woke up really groggy this morning. Felt like I didn't have enough sleep. It's starting to look like DSIP does increase the chance of maintaining continuous sleep period. Not sure why REM and deep sleep are dropping though.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 50mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 0.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

Back to gym today so hoping to post a good training update later!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Lev might be on to something with the valerian though, those herbal sedatives can stack into grog if you layer them. Could be worth dropping valerian for 3-4 nights and seeing if REM and deep sleep come back without killing the DSIP benefit. These systematic sleep experiments are gold

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Sleep Log #12 12/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root 562.5mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Woke up really groggy this morning. Felt like I didn't have enough sleep. It's starting to look like DSIP does increase the chance of maintaining continuous sleep period. Not sure why REM and deep sleep are dropping though.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 50mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 0.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg

Back to gym today so hoping to post a good training update later!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Try melatonin?

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #13 13/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Had decent sleep earlier but woke up and couldn't go back to sleep. Brain activity seems to be firing hard at 3 in the morning. Overall OK score.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 1mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg
Testagen 1mg (New)

Tonight I will increase DSIP to 1mg, and no other supplements to see what the effects are as a stand alone sleep inducer.

Trying out a new peptide today and one that's rather difficult to source. Testagen is a tetrapeptide (KEDG) testicular bioregulator that was originally isolated from testicle tissue extract. It's studied for its ability to promote testosterone biosynthesis by stimulating the Leydig cell activity and improve the testicle cell metabolism. Research is rather limited in Russia though.

Given the nature of its claims and non existing side effects, its seemingly a good addition to my current PCT protocol. I will test and report its findings.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[OwEv751]

Try melatonin?

But then the log would end with melatonin clearly the winner over DSIP

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #13 13/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 0.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Had decent sleep earlier but woke up and couldn't go back to sleep. Brain activity seems to be firing hard at 3 in the morning. Overall OK score.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 1mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal) 1mg
Testagen 1mg (New)

Tonight I will increase DSIP to 1mg, and no other supplements to see what the effects are as a stand alone sleep inducer.

Trying out a new peptide today and one that's rather difficult to source. Testagen is a tetrapeptide (KEDG) testicular bioregulator that was originally isolated from testicle tissue extract. It's studied for its ability to promote testosterone biosynthesis by stimulating the Leydig cell activity and improve the testicle cell metabolism. Research is rather limited in Russia though.

Given the nature of its claims and non existing side effects, its seemingly a good addition to my current PCT protocol. I will test and report its findings.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

testagen interesting, another prohormone?

 

[OwEv751]

testagen interesting, another prohormone?

Similar yes but without known risks like AAS or SARMs.

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #14 14/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Early wake up to go to work at 4:15 is really not fun but well that's life. Got a nice straight sleep run from 9PM to 2AM with decent amount of deep sleep! The DSIP increase to 1mg really improved to sleep onset!

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 1mg (@Prymal )
Selank
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

Testagen is interesting so far. Last night went to sleep with a bit of sensitivity to the balls so it might just be working? Sticking to low dose so far so will update if anything new changes.

Manage to sneak an early morning back and bis training session and oh wow it was sick. The combination of SS31, NAD+, SR9009 (@Raptor Labs ), SLU 500mcg and a touch of redbull was enough to get the fires going!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #14 14/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Early wake up to go to work at 4:15 is really not fun but well that's life. Got a nice straight sleep run from 9PM to 2AM with decent amount of deep sleep! The DSIP increase to 1mg really improved to sleep onset!

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 1mg (@Prymal )
Selank
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

Testagen is interesting so far. Last night went to sleep with a bit of sensitivity to the balls so it might just be working? Sticking to low dose so far so will update if anything new changes.

Manage to sneak an early morning back and bis training session and oh wow it was sick. The combination of SS31, NAD+, SR9009 (@Raptor Labs ), SLU 500mcg and a touch of redbull was enough to get the fires going!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

arms are looking big and thick but im a bit hesitant on testagen checking it now @OwEv751

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #14 14/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-Valerian Root
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Early wake up to go to work at 4:15 is really not fun but well that's life. Got a nice straight sleep run from 9PM to 2AM with decent amount of deep sleep! The DSIP increase to 1mg really improved to sleep onset!

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 1mg (@Prymal )
Selank
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

Testagen is interesting so far. Last night went to sleep with a bit of sensitivity to the balls so it might just be working? Sticking to low dose so far so will update if anything new changes.

Manage to sneak an early morning back and bis training session and oh wow it was sick. The combination of SS31, NAD+, SR9009 (@Raptor Labs ), SLU 500mcg and a touch of redbull was enough to get the fires going!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

That 1mg DSIP bump improving onset lines up with what everyone's been reporting, 9PM to 2AM straight run is a solid block at that quality. 4:15AM start is savage brother, banking 5 deep before the alarm is a W regardless of the early cut.

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #15 15/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Upped the DSIP dose to 1.5mg last night. Onset was really good. However last night was strange as I had multiple wake ups needing to urinate. Looks like having a can of fizzy soda doesn't work for me. Sticking to normal water from now on. Sleep debt is slowly creeping up so going to need to fix that soon.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 1.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

I've been using SS31 daily for a very long time now and one thing I notice is that no matter how groggy I wake up, around 30min on, I would have full focus and attention to my work. Like as if all my sleep deprivations disappear. Certainly one of the noticeable effects of SS31.

Also finally got the Home Sperm Test kit. Time to find how them boys are doing!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #15 15/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Upped the DSIP dose to 1.5mg last night. Onset was really good. However last night was strange as I had multiple wake ups needing to urinate. Looks like having a can of fizzy soda doesn't work for me. Sticking to normal water from now on. Sleep debt is slowly creeping up so going to need to fix that soon.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 1.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

I've been using SS31 daily for a very long time now and one thing I notice is that no matter how groggy I wake up, around 30min on, I would have full focus and attention to my work. Like as if all my sleep deprivations disappear. Certainly one of the noticeable effects of SS31.

Also finally got the Home Sperm Test kit. Time to find how them boys are doing!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

you can try not drinking before bed
lets see how the sperm kit does too

 

[jenkemj]

Sleep Log #15 15/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Upped the DSIP dose to 1.5mg last night. Onset was really good. However last night was strange as I had multiple wake ups needing to urinate. Looks like having a can of fizzy soda doesn't work for me. Sticking to normal water from now on. Sleep debt is slowly creeping up so going to need to fix that soon.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 1.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

I've been using SS31 daily for a very long time now and one thing I notice is that no matter how groggy I wake up, around 30min on, I would have full focus and attention to my work. Like as if all my sleep deprivations disappear. Certainly one of the noticeable effects of SS31.

Also finally got the Home Sperm Test kit. Time to find how them boys are doing!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Happy hog cranking bro! Lol

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #15 15/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )

Upped the DSIP dose to 1.5mg last night. Onset was really good. However last night was strange as I had multiple wake ups needing to urinate. Looks like having a can of fizzy soda doesn't work for me. Sticking to normal water from now on. Sleep debt is slowly creeping up so going to need to fix that soon.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal) 0.5mg
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal) 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5
DSIP 1.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank 1mg
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

I've been using SS31 daily for a very long time now and one thing I notice is that no matter how groggy I wake up, around 30min on, I would have full focus and attention to my work. Like as if all my sleep deprivations disappear. Certainly one of the noticeable effects of SS31.

Also finally got the Home Sperm Test kit. Time to find how them boys are doing!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

1.5mg DSIP onset tracking well mate, the bump from 1mg is clearly stacking. Fizzy soda before bed is a classic one, carbonation messes with bladder pressure overnight. Flat water from here should clean that up fast.

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #16 16/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )
- GH 2IU
- Melatonin 5mg

Not a good sleep. Far too short. Sleep debt is slowly creeping up now because of it. DSIP is still wonderfully influencing the sleep onset but might need to start using GH and melatonin to maintain the sleep. Also a bit difficult considering the 4AM work start.

Will really drive sleep hard tonight.

Sleep Score : 5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal)
DSIP 1.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #16 16/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )
- GH 2IU
- Melatonin 5mg

Not a good sleep. Far too short. Sleep debt is slowly creeping up now because of it. DSIP is still wonderfully influencing the sleep onset but might need to start using GH and melatonin to maintain the sleep. Also a bit difficult considering the 4AM work start.

Will really drive sleep hard tonight.

Sleep Score : 5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal)
DSIP 1.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Adding GH 2IU with 5mg mela to patch maintenance makes sense brother, DSIP is dialled on onset so the gap is just keeping you under once youre down. 4AM start is the structural ceiling though, any protocol fighting for 7-8hrs with a hard 3:30 alarm runs on a deficit. Mel at 5mg is on the higher end, 1-3mg usually sleeps cleaner without the morning grog and stacks well with 2IU GH for slow wave

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #16 16/4/26

Current Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg (sponsored by @Prymal )
- GH 2IU
- Melatonin 5mg

Not a good sleep. Far too short. Sleep debt is slowly creeping up now because of it. DSIP is still wonderfully influencing the sleep onset but might need to start using GH and melatonin to maintain the sleep. Also a bit difficult considering the 4AM work start.

Will really drive sleep hard tonight.

Sleep Score : 5 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1
KLOW (@Prymal)
DSIP 1.5mg (@Prymal )
Selank
Semax (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg (New)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

strange you take so many sleep aids and bad sleep
how is your mental health? @OwEv751

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Ive never heard of testagen, what it is?

How are you finding the SS-31?

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #17 17/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg (@Prymal )
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

First confirmed night of exploding head syndrome due to persistent lack of good sleep. Last night had a bit of cocktail of sleep aids around 10PM but couldn't get to sleep until work finish at midnight (sigh, life). Woke up at 2AM hearing a random shuffle in my room and brain became hyper alert with increasing heart rate (see graph). Couldn't get back to bed until 3AM.

What's interesting is after I did fall asleep, my body went into stress overdrive. That doesn't seem to look good.... See the BPM peaks at late 3AM and 4AM corresponding with the cliff dive HRV at the same time.

Tonight, let's dial back all injection compounds and stick to the traditional oral supplements and melatonin. No DSIP or GH.

Sleep Score : 4 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal)
DSIP (@Prymal )
Selank
Semax 1mg (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #17 17/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg (@Prymal )
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

First confirmed night of exploding head syndrome due to persistent lack of good sleep. Last night had a bit of cocktail of sleep aids around 10PM but couldn't get to sleep until work finish at midnight (sigh, life). Woke up at 2AM hearing a random shuffle in my room and brain became hyper alert with increasing heart rate (see graph). Couldn't get back to bed until 3AM.

What's interesting is after I did fall asleep, my body went into stress overdrive. That doesn't seem to look good.... See the BPM peaks at late 3AM and 4AM corresponding with the cliff dive HRV at the same time.

Tonight, let's dial back all injection compounds and stick to the traditional oral supplements and melatonin. No DSIP or GH.

Sleep Score : 4 / 10

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal)
DSIP (@Prymal )
Selank
Semax 1mg (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

a lot of sleep aids, have you considered medication?

 

[LevButlerov]

strange you take so many sleep aids and bad sleep
how is your mental health? @OwEv751

Ive never heard of testagen, what it is?

How are you finding the SS-31?

please address above @OwEv751

 

[OwEv751]

Ive never heard of testagen, what it is?

How are you finding the SS-31?

Testagen is a tetrapeptide (KEDG) testicular bioregulator that was originally isolated from testicle tissue extract. It's studied for its ability to promote testosterone biosynthesis by stimulating the Leydig cell activity and improve the testicle cell metabolism. This is theorectically an indirect cellular modulation, and not exogenous mimics like HCG/HMG.

Research is rather limited in Russia though.

so far I feel the SS-31 is the one holding me up energy wise whilst I'm experiencing this period of bad sleep. When I do fasted workouts in the morning, I'm not gassed out like I used to. Again even with bad sleep, I was still able to maintain mental clarity doing my desk job.

 

[OwEv751]

a lot of sleep aids, have you considered medication?

This short period of bad sleep is a work lifestyle issue and fatigue accumulation. At the start of my log, my sleep was rather decent.

Need to actually adjust my sleep hygiene back first before introducing more compounds. Might just need to tell site guys to fk off for a while

As per my current sleep trend, stacking more compounds while fatigued is actually doing more harm than good. Body is probably trying to process too much at once.

 

[Chowmanly]

Sleep is tough during PCT ngl. I threw a lot at it but every now and then I needed help from zolpidem.
How’s your PCT going otherwise ?

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep is tough during PCT ngl. I threw a lot at it but every now and then I needed help from zolpidem.
How’s your PCT going otherwise ?

Thanks for checking in brother! Good chance to do a full update on PCT!

I've been doing low dosing clomid 6.25mg /nolva 5mg every 2 days for the past week for low signal maintenance. Intending to stop this Sunday altogether. Also been low dosing aromasin every 3 days to lower my e2 as seen from previous bloods. New bloods booked in two weeks to find out where we're at.

Got the new YOSPERM kit recently and was intending to open it tomorrow to test.

Feeling wise, everything has kinda been flat. No libido, starting to make excuses not to go in gym in afternoons, steps not maintained. Calories has also dropped a bit (down to 2400 cals) not by intention but due to work lifestyle restricting my eating window. Sleep of course is just getting worse.

I blame work (which is mostly true right now due to the creeping FY project and performance targets) but I know it's a me thing as well. I don't know how other people managed to cope with PCT but thank goodness I had some peptides to soften the landing abit, particularly with SS31, NAD+, Selank, Semax, KLOW and Testagen.

This Monday is finally RDO and it's a good chance to reflect and plan out how I'm gonna do this properly.

 

[LevButlerov]

This short period of bad sleep is a work lifestyle issue and fatigue accumulation. At the start of my log, my sleep was rather decent.

Need to actually adjust my sleep hygiene back first before introducing more compounds. Might just need to tell site guys to fk off for a while

As per my current sleep trend, stacking more compounds while fatigued is actually doing more harm than good. Body is probably trying to process too much at once.

hopefully your sleep better soon

 

[LevButlerov]

Testagen is a tetrapeptide (KEDG) testicular bioregulator that was originally isolated from testicle tissue extract. It's studied for its ability to promote testosterone biosynthesis by stimulating the Leydig cell activity and improve the testicle cell metabolism. This is theorectically an indirect cellular modulation, and not exogenous mimics like HCG/HMG.

Research is rather limited in Russia though.

so far I feel the SS-31 is the one holding me up energy wise whilst I'm experiencing this period of bad sleep. When I do fasted workouts in the morning, I'm not gassed out like I used to. Again even with bad sleep, I was still able to maintain mental clarity doing my desk job.

you have the Russia studies? @OwEv751

 

[OwEv751]

you have the Russia studies? @OwEv751

Please see a few papers and reviews on effects of Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly as requested.

Testagen: A Renewed Scientific Look at a Thymic-Derived Regulatory Complex - Kansas State Collegian https://share.google/HIRxIdv5gSKglGmfs

Peptide Regulation of Gene Expression: A Systematic Review https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/26/22/7053

[35-year experience in research of peptide regulation of aging] - PubMed https://share.google/earWzhe9X7RQNfEWl

Penetration of short fluorescence-labeled peptides into the nucleus in HeLa cells and in vitro specific interaction of the peptides with deoxyribooligonucleotides and DNA - PubMed https://share.google/foNfdaVxfOmdPuGGf

[Effects of Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly and Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly peptides on hormonal activity and thyroid morphology in hypophysectomized mature and old birds] - PubMed https://share.google/3hJBqfebdpHcCw2p3

[Effects of hypophyseal Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly and Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly synthetic peptides on immunity, hemostasis, morphology and functions of the thyroid gland in neonatally hypophysectomized chicken and one-year-old birds] - PubMed https://share.google/7unC0YnYAlY62bQQm

 

[OwEv751]

Late top-up TD from @Prymal . Thank you for continuing to support my PCT Journey!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[jenkemj]

Please see a few papers and reviews on effects of Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly as requested.

Testagen: A Renewed Scientific Look at a Thymic-Derived Regulatory Complex - Kansas State Collegian https://share.google/HIRxIdv5gSKglGmfs

Peptide Regulation of Gene Expression: A Systematic Review https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/26/22/7053

[35-year experience in research of peptide regulation of aging] - PubMed https://share.google/earWzhe9X7RQNfEWl

Penetration of short fluorescence-labeled peptides into the nucleus in HeLa cells and in vitro specific interaction of the peptides with deoxyribooligonucleotides and DNA - PubMed https://share.google/foNfdaVxfOmdPuGGf

[Effects of Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly and Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly peptides on hormonal activity and thyroid morphology in hypophysectomized mature and old birds] - PubMed https://share.google/3hJBqfebdpHcCw2p3

[Effects of hypophyseal Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly and Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly synthetic peptides on immunity, hemostasis, morphology and functions of the thyroid gland in neonatally hypophysectomized chicken and one-year-old birds] - PubMed https://share.google/7unC0YnYAlY62bQQm

Semax, Sustagen and Tbol perfect Soviet combo

 

[jenkemj]

Late top-up TD from @Prymal . Thank you for continuing to support my PCT Journey!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Damn you sick bro?

 

[OwEv751]

Damn you sick bro?

Haha yea, sick and tired of Mots-c not working! TA-1 to desensitise my histamine reaction, Semax to get my shit together throughout the day and reta because of course reta

Mots-c is gonna have it's own story arc pretty soon. I will win the battle against Mots-c!

 

[jenkemj]

Haha yea, sick and tired of Mots-c not working! TA-1 to desensitise my histamine reaction, Semax to get my shit together throughout the day and reta because of course reta

Mots-c is gonna have it's own story arc pretty soon. I will win the battle against Mots-c!

Haha me too mate. My impression of mots c is that it helps regulate mitochondrial function so other compounds are more efficient. I havnt read up on it in a while @HarleyGuy has a good write up on it!

 

[OwEv751]

Haha me too mate. My impression of mots c is that it helps regulate mitochondrial function so other compounds are more efficient. I havnt read up on it in a while @HarleyGuy has a good write up on it!

I'm so jealous that everyone is reaping the benefits of 1 to 5mg Mots-c a day whilst here I am developing mast cell reaction and nodules at 0.25mg

 

[OwEv751]

Awesome physique won't lie

Thanks bro! Tried my best to keep as much gains as I could!

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Late top-up TD from @Prymal . Thank you for continuing to support my PCT Journey!

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Beautiful

 

[HarleyGuy]

Haha me too mate. My impression of mots c is that it helps regulate mitochondrial function so other compounds are more efficient. I havnt read up on it in a while @HarleyGuy has a good write up on it!

@OwEv751 you can check it out here MOTS-c Peptide: Overview, Dosing and Reviews

 

[HarleyGuy]

Peptide Plan today
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc
Reta (@Prymal)
TA-1 2.5mg
KLOW (@Prymal)
DSIP (@Prymal )
Selank
Semax 1mg (@Prymal)
Testagen 1mg

I like to keep an eye on these and have been watching for SS31 and MOTS-c. Can you update the list above with your doses @OwEv751 ?

Thanks for the review on SS31

 

[OwEv751]

@OwEv751 you can check it out here MOTS-c Peptide: Overview, Dosing and Reviews

FYI brother @jenkemj

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #18 18/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg

Finally getting some much needed sleep! So much waking up throughout the night but significant deep sleep accumulated!

Sleep Score : 8.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today (14mg/week)
NAD+ 25mg today (150mg/week)
Motsc
Reta 0.5mg today (1mg/week)
TA-1 2.5mg today (final shot before Mots-c testing tomorrow)
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today (3.5/3.5/3.5/17.5mg / week )
DSIP 1mg tonight (as needed)
Selank NA today (2.5mg / week)
Semax NA today (4mg / week )
Testagen 1mg (7mg / week)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

Please see a few papers and reviews on effects of Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly as requested.

Testagen: A Renewed Scientific Look at a Thymic-Derived Regulatory Complex - Kansas State Collegian https://share.google/HIRxIdv5gSKglGmfs

Peptide Regulation of Gene Expression: A Systematic Review https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/26/22/7053

[35-year experience in research of peptide regulation of aging] - PubMed https://share.google/earWzhe9X7RQNfEWl

Penetration of short fluorescence-labeled peptides into the nucleus in HeLa cells and in vitro specific interaction of the peptides with deoxyribooligonucleotides and DNA - PubMed https://share.google/foNfdaVxfOmdPuGGf

[Effects of Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly and Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly peptides on hormonal activity and thyroid morphology in hypophysectomized mature and old birds] - PubMed https://share.google/3hJBqfebdpHcCw2p3

[Effects of hypophyseal Lys-Glu-Asp-Gly and Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly synthetic peptides on immunity, hemostasis, morphology and functions of the thyroid gland in neonatally hypophysectomized chicken and one-year-old birds] - PubMed https://share.google/7unC0YnYAlY62bQQm

I put this on my research list will take time to read @OwEv751 thanks

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #18 18/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg

Finally getting some much needed sleep! So much waking up throughout the night but significant deep sleep accumulated!

Sleep Score : 8.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today (14mg/week)
NAD+ 25mg today (150mg/week)
Motsc
Reta 0.5mg today (1mg/week)
TA-1 2.5mg today (final shot before Mots-c testing tomorrow)
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today (3.5/3.5/3.5/17.5mg / week )
DSIP 1mg tonight (as needed)
Selank NA today (2.5mg / week)
Semax NA today (4mg / week )
Testagen 1mg (7mg / week)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

happy to see sleep better

 

[Yeahnah]

Sleep Log #18 18/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg

Finally getting some much needed sleep! So much waking up throughout the night but significant deep sleep accumulated!

Sleep Score : 8.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today (14mg/week)
NAD+ 25mg today (150mg/week)
Motsc
Reta 0.5mg today (1mg/week)
TA-1 2.5mg today (final shot before Mots-c testing tomorrow)
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today (3.5/3.5/3.5/17.5mg / week )
DSIP 1mg tonight (as needed)
Selank NA today (2.5mg / week)
Semax NA today (4mg / week )
Testagen 1mg (7mg / week)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Good shit bro I gotta try get my sleep on par with this. I’m jealous haha

I got some slow releasing melatonin hopefully that’ll be a goer

Is there anything you’d credit more than the other to help you with your sleep?

I chucked my DSIP in the bin the nasal spray I had did absolutely nothing for me

 

[OwEv751]

Good shit bro I gotta try get my sleep on par with this. I’m jealous haha

I got some slow releasing melatonin hopefully that’ll be a goer

Is there anything you’d credit more than the other to help you with your sleep?

I chucked my DSIP in the bin the nasal spray I had did absolutely nothing for me

Thanks bro! Hopefully I maintain a good sleeping habit from this point!

One thing I really notice (at least for me anyway) is that if I keep stacking sleep aids one on top another and too quickly, it starts to create an environment where the body starts to stress a lot because it's confused with the drug interactions. This is evident in one of my sleep logs (sleeping log #17) where I stacked everything (GH, DSIP and Melatonin) and literally my bpm the entire night was elevated, as well as my AVERAGE HRV was 25ms.

If there's anything I learned so far, hitting the bed early (9-10PM) is a far superior sleep aid than any medications.

DSIP is a hit or miss for some people. Remember that it's role is to MAYBE modulate your current body's sleep behaviour, thus inducing sleep and promote deep sleep periods. There's very little studies on DSIP really; studies so far have been done on insomnia patients and applied through IV.

Through my current testing of DSIP, I can say that it DOES induce sleep very well in the beginning, BUT my body seems to adapt to it very fast! Now I have to increase DSIP dosage just to gain the effects.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Thanks bro! Hopefully I maintain a good sleeping habit from this point!

One thing I really notice (at least for me anyway) is that if I keep stacking sleep aids one on top another and too quickly, it starts to create an environment where the body starts to stress a lot because it's confused with the drug interactions. This is evident in one of my sleep logs (sleeping log #17) where I stacked everything (GH, DSIP and Melatonin) and literally my bpm the entire night was elevated, as well as my AVERAGE HRV was 25ms.

If there's anything I learned so far, hitting the bed early (9-10PM) is a far superior sleep aid than any medications.

DSIP is a hit or miss for some people. Remember that it's role is to MAYBE modulate your current body's sleep behaviour, thus inducing sleep and promote deep sleep periods. There's very little studies on DSIP really; studies so far have been done on insomnia patients and applied through IV.

Through my current testing of DSIP, I can say that it DOES induce sleep very well in the beginning, BUT my body seems to adapt to it very fast! Now I have to increase DSIP dosage just to gain the effects.

Very interesting to follow a sleep log bro I'm liking reading your updates.

Have you started the MOTS-c yet?

 

[OwEv751]

Have you started the MOTS-c yet?

Tomorrow is the day for Mots-c to return! (Maybe)

Will do a full journal entry for Mots-c on Tuesday/Wednesday.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Tomorrow is the day for Mots-c to return! (Maybe)

Will do a full journal entry for Mots-c on Tuesday/Wednesday.

Awesome! I'll be here.

 

[Yeahnah]

Thanks bro! Hopefully I maintain a good sleeping habit from this point!

One thing I really notice (at least for me anyway) is that if I keep stacking sleep aids one on top another and too quickly, it starts to create an environment where the body starts to stress a lot because it's confused with the drug interactions. This is evident in one of my sleep logs (sleeping log #17) where I stacked everything (GH, DSIP and Melatonin) and literally my bpm the entire night was elevated, as well as my AVERAGE HRV was 25ms.

If there's anything I learned so far, hitting the bed early (9-10PM) is a far superior sleep aid than any medications.

DSIP is a hit or miss for some people. Remember that it's role is to MAYBE modulate your current body's sleep behaviour, thus inducing sleep and promote deep sleep periods. There's very little studies on DSIP really; studies so far have been done on insomnia patients and applied through IV.

Through my current testing of DSIP, I can say that it DOES induce sleep very well in the beginning, BUT my body seems to adapt to it very fast! Now I have to increase DSIP dosage just to gain the effects.

Yeah bang on bro I’ll be in bed by 9 at the latest but always end up waking up way to early and just can’t get back to sleep which sucks.

 

[bss]

Tomorrow is the day for Mots-c to return! (Maybe)

Will do a full journal entry for Mots-c on Tuesday/Wednesday.

MOTS-c making the return is the big one brother, that energy + recovery layer on top of your DSIP/GH stack is gonna shift the sleep numbers proper Keen for the Tues/Wed write up.

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #19 19/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2 IU

Sleep was a bit short this time round (work callout). Reintroduced GH and DSIP back after previous night's good rest. Really having trouble holding deep sleep period after 2AM wake up. Maybe it's GH overstimulation? Will drop GH to 1IU tonight to see any difference.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today
NAD+ 25mg today
Motsc 0.5mg today (Testing)
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today
DSIP 1.5mg tonight (as needed)
Selank 1mg today (2.5mg / week)
Semax 1mg today (4mg / week )
Testagen 1mg (7mg / week)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #19 19/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2 IU

Sleep was a bit short this time round (work callout). Reintroduced GH and DSIP back after previous night's good rest. Really having trouble holding deep sleep period after 2AM wake up. Maybe it's GH overstimulation? Will drop GH to 1IU tonight to see any difference.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today
NAD+ 25mg today
Motsc 0.5mg today (Testing)
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today
DSIP 1.5mg tonight (as needed)
Selank 1mg today (2.5mg / week)
Semax 1mg today (4mg / week )
Testagen 1mg (7mg / week)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

it could be overstimulation on gh but you're not using high dose, test and see

 

[jenkemj]

Sleep Log #19 19/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2 IU

Sleep was a bit short this time round (work callout). Reintroduced GH and DSIP back after previous night's good rest. Really having trouble holding deep sleep period after 2AM wake up. Maybe it's GH overstimulation? Will drop GH to 1IU tonight to see any difference.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today
NAD+ 25mg today
Motsc 0.5mg today (Testing)
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today
DSIP 1.5mg tonight (as needed)
Selank 1mg today (2.5mg / week)
Semax 1mg today (4mg / week )
Testagen 1mg (7mg / week)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

If it’s GH overstimulation you probably say to drop it down but at 2 iu’s you’ll be probably just adapt in a few days. Any hand swelling? Skin flush before you fell asleep?

 

[OwEv751]

If it’s GH overstimulation you probably say to drop it down but at 2 iu’s you’ll be probably just adapt in a few days. Any hand swelling? Skin flush before you fell asleep?

No hand swelling, no skin flush, but I did notice back in sleep log #17 where I woke up at the same time with highly elevated brain activity and heartrate.

To be fair, you are correct that it's likely an adaptation issue. I've haven't dialled in dosages properly yet (been cycled off for 4 weeks) and it is likely that even 2IU is enough to trigger a response. Possibly due to hypersensitivity. I'll start dialling GH nightly with small titration up to 2IU.

 

[jenkemj]

No hand swelling, no skin flush, but I did notice back in sleep log #17 where I woke up at the same time with highly elevated brain activity and heartrate.

To be fair, you are correct that it's likely an adaptation issue. I've haven't dialled in dosages properly yet (been cycled off for 4 weeks) and it is likely that even 2IU is enough to trigger a response. Possibly due to hypersensitivity. I'll start dialling GH nightly with small titration up to 2IU.

Yeah good call, whatever works at the end of the day!

Might not be relevant but your sleep issues but it could be psychological aswell. Maybe anxiety about work the next day or others stresses or maybe you feel stressed out by your sleep and overcomplicate it in your mind?

Obviously might not be relevant at all, but I felt it was worth mentioning anyway bro just incase you wanted to look into other angles.

 

[bss]

No hand swelling, no skin flush, but I did notice back in sleep log #17 where I woke up at the same time with highly elevated brain activity and heartrate.

To be fair, you are correct that it's likely an adaptation issue. I've haven't dialled in dosages properly yet (been cycled off for 4 weeks) and it is likely that even 2IU is enough to trigger a response. Possibly due to hypersensitivity. I'll start dialling GH nightly with small titration up to 2IU.

Titrating from a low floor after 4 weeks off cycle is the right call mate

 

[OwEv751]

Training Log
Full Body Push Afternoon
Motivation: 8/10
Focus: 9/10
Post workout fatigue: exhausted but enough energy to walk back to car

Pre and intra workouts:
- SR9009
- Motsc 0.5mg (Finally back, but....)
- SLU-PP-332 1mg
- L Carnitine 300mg
- Coffee
- no preworkout meals (late lunch)
- Pre Workout
- Maltodextrin
- Electrolytes

First time back doing a full body push. Trying to train around an origin tear is so hard because not only is it structurally weak but now it's prone to failure more than the quads themselves. There's always going to be that "clicking" sensation, especially when I ass to grass squats all the time in the past.

See my MRI diagnosis attached.

KLOW is coming in to manage the repairs but it may take a while longer before making full recovery. Limited to two quad exercises today, paused squats and single leg machine leg press with eccentric tempo (31X1). The pain is definitely flaring from the bottom position at last reps.

Another problem I'm having is that I'm feeling nauseated near the end of the workout. I think wither BP is dropping due to my tempo breathing (remember that I'm doing mostly 31X1) or I'm feeling hypoglycemic.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Training Log
Full Body Push Afternoon
Motivation: 8/10
Focus: 9/10
Post workout fatigue: exhausted but enough energy to walk back to car

Pre and intra workouts:
- SR9009
- Motsc 0.5mg (Finally back, but....)
- SLU-PP-332 1mg
- L Carnitine 300mg
- Coffee
- no preworkout meals (late lunch)
- Pre Workout
- Maltodextrin
- Electrolytes

First time back doing a full body push. Trying to train around an origin tear is so hard because not only is it structurally weak but now it's prone to failure more than the quads themselves. There's always going to be that "clicking" sensation, especially when I ass to grass squats all the time in the past.

See my MRI diagnosis attached.

KLOW is coming in to manage the repairs but it may take a while longer before making full recovery. Limited to two quad exercises today, paused squats and single leg machine leg press with eccentric tempo (31X1). The pain is definitely flaring from the bottom position at last reps.

Another problem I'm having is that I'm feeling nauseated near the end of the workout. I think wither BP is dropping due to my tempo breathing (remember that I'm doing mostly 31X1) or I'm feeling hypoglycemic.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

What’s the go with the mot c, still giving you issues?

 

[LevButlerov]

Training Log
Full Body Push Afternoon
Motivation: 8/10
Focus: 9/10
Post workout fatigue: exhausted but enough energy to walk back to car

Pre and intra workouts:
- SR9009
- Motsc 0.5mg (Finally back, but....)
- SLU-PP-332 1mg
- L Carnitine 300mg
- Coffee
- no preworkout meals (late lunch)
- Pre Workout
- Maltodextrin
- Electrolytes

First time back doing a full body push. Trying to train around an origin tear is so hard because not only is it structurally weak but now it's prone to failure more than the quads themselves. There's always going to be that "clicking" sensation, especially when I ass to grass squats all the time in the past.

See my MRI diagnosis attached.

KLOW is coming in to manage the repairs but it may take a while longer before making full recovery. Limited to two quad exercises today, paused squats and single leg machine leg press with eccentric tempo (31X1). The pain is definitely flaring from the bottom position at last reps.

Another problem I'm having is that I'm feeling nauseated near the end of the workout. I think wither BP is dropping due to my tempo breathing (remember that I'm doing mostly 31X1) or I'm feeling hypoglycemic.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

mots c is giving you issues? @OwEv751
i see MRI but any serious issues you feel?

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #20 20/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 1IU

Decent sleep. Woke up too many times throughout the night. That deep sleep into sudden waking up is hell annoying. Pretty sure I also didn't have that much liquid at night either.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today
NAD+ 25mg today
Motsc 1mg today (Testing)
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today
DSIP 1.5mg tonight (as needed)
Selank 1mg today (2.5mg / week)
Semax 1mg today (4mg / week )
Testagen 1mg (7mg / week)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #20 20/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 1IU

Decent sleep. Woke up too many times throughout the night. That deep sleep into sudden waking up is hell annoying. Pretty sure I also didn't have that much liquid at night either.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today
NAD+ 25mg today
Motsc 1mg today (Testing)
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today
DSIP 1.5mg tonight (as needed)
Selank 1mg today (2.5mg / week)
Semax 1mg today (4mg / week )
Testagen 1mg (7mg / week)

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

yes the deep sleep to wake up is not good maybe you should work on prebed routine more

 

[bss]

Training Log
Full Body Push Afternoon
Motivation: 8/10
Focus: 9/10
Post workout fatigue: exhausted but enough energy to walk back to car

Pre and intra workouts:
- SR9009
- Motsc 0.5mg (Finally back, but....)
- SLU-PP-332 1mg
- L Carnitine 300mg
- Coffee
- no preworkout meals (late lunch)
- Pre Workout
- Maltodextrin
- Electrolytes

First time back doing a full body push. Trying to train around an origin tear is so hard because not only is it structurally weak but now it's prone to failure more than the quads themselves. There's always going to be that "clicking" sensation, especially when I ass to grass squats all the time in the past.

See my MRI diagnosis attached.

KLOW is coming in to manage the repairs but it may take a while longer before making full recovery. Limited to two quad exercises today, paused squats and single leg machine leg press with eccentric tempo (31X1). The pain is definitely flaring from the bottom position at last reps.

Another problem I'm having is that I'm feeling nauseated near the end of the workout. I think wither BP is dropping due to my tempo breathing (remember that I'm doing mostly 31X1) or I'm feeling hypoglycemic.

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

MOTS-c back at 0.5mg stacked with SLU 1mg pre-WO is the clean energy layer you've been chasing brother

 

[OwEv751]

The battle against Mots-c

Despite the huge benefits Mots-c has to my overall mitochondrial adaption stack, Mots-c and my body don't get along. Previously, every shot would result in a histamine reaction that would swell and sometimes create nodules on my abdomen area depending on the injection volume. I've also tried thigh subq injection but still the same issues.

The above photo shows the said reaction at 0.25mg Mots-c....

I am one of the few who may have the condition known as Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) where certain compounds may cause inappropriate release of histamine or a systemic allergy response. Some cases of MCAS are rather mild, whereas others can be potentially life threatening anaphylaxis.

See an example video here from Vigorous Steve show casing the impact of Mots-c and how to dose.

Anyway, I'm stubborn. I need Mots-c in the stack as it synergises with SS-31 and NAD+. To tackle this problem, I put Mots-c on hold for two weeks to raise my tolerance threshold. So what I've done for the past two weeks (14 days) is:

-Vitamin C 1.5g a day
-Quercitin 500mg a day
-Glutathione 100mg IM every 2 days (800mg total)
-Ketotifen 1mg nightly
-KPV 0.5mg a day
-TA-1 10mg total (split 4 times in two weeks)

And with that stack, yesterday I proceeded with my first 0.5mg Mots-c in two weeks making sure I had both Claratyne (Loratadine) and Telfast (Fexofenadine).

See some photos below:
30min after injection

2hrs after injection

6hrs after injection

By this time, I was feeling super itchy on the area despite the low visible rash. To try combat this I had:

Gotta say this only helps mildly. I still felt the itch and unfortunately throughout the night I god damn had to scratch it (probably why I woke up alot last night). If anyone has something to block the SENSATION of wanting to itch please let me know.

Anyways this morning result:

And now...

SO. What this means is that what I have been doing the past two weeks is definitely working. The hive appearance of the rash isn't even there, and this was DOUBLE the injection volume (0.5mg) of the previous two weeks ago photo (0.25mg).

If I can stop being silly and scratch the shit out of it, I dare say it wouldn't even be this red.

I'm going to try Mots-c again this Thursday at 1mg subq and see what happens. In the meantime, I'll keep stacking the defence/inflammation medication to prepare for it.

Thanks for tuning in! Hopefully I can get over my Mots-c weakness soon!
@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[OwEv751]

yes the deep sleep to wake up is not good maybe you should work on prebed routine more

Yep sorry, I was in the middle of another log entry to explain why

 

[Nasser1997o2]

The battle against Mots-c

Despite the huge benefits Mots-c has to my overall mitochondrial adaption stack, Mots-c and my body don't get along. Previously, every shot would result in a histamine reaction that would swell and sometimes create nodules on my abdomen area depending on the injection volume. I've also tried thigh subq injection but still the same issues.

View attachment 218267

The above photo shows the said reaction at 0.25mg Mots-c....

I am one of the few who may have the condition known as Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) where certain compounds may cause inappropriate release of histamine or a systemic allergy response. Some cases of MCAS are rather mild, whereas others can be potentially life threatening anaphylaxis.

See an example video here from Vigorous Steve show casing the impact of Mots-c and how to dose.

Anyway, I'm stubborn. I need Mots-c in the stack as it synergises with SS-31 and NAD+. To tackle this problem, I put Mots-c on hold for two weeks to raise my tolerance threshold. So what I've done for the past two weeks (14 days) is:

-Vitamin C 1.5g a day
-Quercitin 500mg a day
-Glutathione 100mg IM every 2 days (800mg total)
-Ketotifen 1mg nightly
-KPV 0.5mg a day
-TA-1 10mg total (split 4 times in two weeks)

And with that stack, yesterday I proceeded with my first 0.5mg Mots-c in two weeks making sure I had both Claratyne (Loratadine) and Telfast (Fexofenadine).

See some photos below:
30min after injection
View attachment 218278
2hrs after injection
View attachment 218279
6hrs after injection
View attachment 218280

By this time, I was feeling super itchy on the area despite the low visible rash. To try combat this I had:
View attachment 218281
Gotta say this only helps mildly. I still felt the itch and unfortunately throughout the night I god damn had to scratch it (probably why I woke up alot last night). If anyone has something to block the SENSATION of wanting to itch please let me know.

Anyways this morning result:
View attachment 218282

And now...
View attachment 218283

SO. What this means is that what I have been doing the past two weeks is definitely working. The hive appearance of the rash isn't even there, and this was DOUBLE the injection volume (0.5mg) of the previous two weeks ago photo (0.25mg).

If I can stop being silly and scratch the shit out of it, I dare say it wouldn't even be this red.

I'm going to try Mots-c again this Thursday at 1mg subq and see what happens. In the meantime, I'll keep stacking the defence/inflammation medication to prepare for it.

Thanks for tuning in! Hopefully I can get over my Mots-c weakness soon!
@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

I would just bail on the mot-c man.

Jumping through this many heaps doesn’t seem worth it

 

[OwEv751]

I would just bail on the mot-c man.

Jumping through this many heaps doesn’t seem worth it

Can't be giving up yet when we haven't tried. Also this supplement stack is providing evidence that my immune system has become stronger.

 

[HarleyGuy]

The battle against Mots-c

Despite the huge benefits Mots-c has to my overall mitochondrial adaption stack, Mots-c and my body don't get along. Previously, every shot would result in a histamine reaction that would swell and sometimes create nodules on my abdomen area depending on the injection volume. I've also tried thigh subq injection but still the same issues.

View attachment 218267

The above photo shows the said reaction at 0.25mg Mots-c....

I am one of the few who may have the condition known as Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) where certain compounds may cause inappropriate release of histamine or a systemic allergy response. Some cases of MCAS are rather mild, whereas others can be potentially life threatening anaphylaxis.

See an example video here from Vigorous Steve show casing the impact of Mots-c and how to dose.

Anyway, I'm stubborn. I need Mots-c in the stack as it synergises with SS-31 and NAD+. To tackle this problem, I put Mots-c on hold for two weeks to raise my tolerance threshold. So what I've done for the past two weeks (14 days) is:

-Vitamin C 1.5g a day
-Quercitin 500mg a day
-Glutathione 100mg IM every 2 days (800mg total)
-Ketotifen 1mg nightly
-KPV 0.5mg a day
-TA-1 10mg total (split 4 times in two weeks)

And with that stack, yesterday I proceeded with my first 0.5mg Mots-c in two weeks making sure I had both Claratyne (Loratadine) and Telfast (Fexofenadine).

See some photos below:
30min after injection
View attachment 218278
2hrs after injection
View attachment 218279
6hrs after injection
View attachment 218280

By this time, I was feeling super itchy on the area despite the low visible rash. To try combat this I had:
View attachment 218281
Gotta say this only helps mildly. I still felt the itch and unfortunately throughout the night I god damn had to scratch it (probably why I woke up alot last night). If anyone has something to block the SENSATION of wanting to itch please let me know.

Anyways this morning result:
View attachment 218282

And now...
View attachment 218283

SO. What this means is that what I have been doing the past two weeks is definitely working. The hive appearance of the rash isn't even there, and this was DOUBLE the injection volume (0.5mg) of the previous two weeks ago photo (0.25mg).

If I can stop being silly and scratch the shit out of it, I dare say it wouldn't even be this red.

I'm going to try Mots-c again this Thursday at 1mg subq and see what happens. In the meantime, I'll keep stacking the defence/inflammation medication to prepare for it.

Thanks for tuning in! Hopefully I can get over my Mots-c weakness soon!
@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

This is an excellent detailed and comprehensive review of MOTS-c as it relates to your own reaction to it, thanks @OwEv751! I've seen this on EVO now twice already so you're not alone having this reaction.

I included your review of your reaction to MOTS-c in our community research megathread here MOTS-c Peptide: Overview, Dosing and Reviews

 

[jenkemj]

The battle against Mots-c

Despite the huge benefits Mots-c has to my overall mitochondrial adaption stack, Mots-c and my body don't get along. Previously, every shot would result in a histamine reaction that would swell and sometimes create nodules on my abdomen area depending on the injection volume. I've also tried thigh subq injection but still the same issues.

View attachment 218267

The above photo shows the said reaction at 0.25mg Mots-c....

I am one of the few who may have the condition known as Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) where certain compounds may cause inappropriate release of histamine or a systemic allergy response. Some cases of MCAS are rather mild, whereas others can be potentially life threatening anaphylaxis.

See an example video here from Vigorous Steve show casing the impact of Mots-c and how to dose.

Anyway, I'm stubborn. I need Mots-c in the stack as it synergises with SS-31 and NAD+. To tackle this problem, I put Mots-c on hold for two weeks to raise my tolerance threshold. So what I've done for the past two weeks (14 days) is:

-Vitamin C 1.5g a day
-Quercitin 500mg a day
-Glutathione 100mg IM every 2 days (800mg total)
-Ketotifen 1mg nightly
-KPV 0.5mg a day
-TA-1 10mg total (split 4 times in two weeks)

And with that stack, yesterday I proceeded with my first 0.5mg Mots-c in two weeks making sure I had both Claratyne (Loratadine) and Telfast (Fexofenadine).

See some photos below:
30min after injection
View attachment 218278
2hrs after injection
View attachment 218279
6hrs after injection
View attachment 218280

By this time, I was feeling super itchy on the area despite the low visible rash. To try combat this I had:
View attachment 218281
Gotta say this only helps mildly. I still felt the itch and unfortunately throughout the night I god damn had to scratch it (probably why I woke up alot last night). If anyone has something to block the SENSATION of wanting to itch please let me know.

Anyways this morning result:
View attachment 218282

And now...
View attachment 218283

SO. What this means is that what I have been doing the past two weeks is definitely working. The hive appearance of the rash isn't even there, and this was DOUBLE the injection volume (0.5mg) of the previous two weeks ago photo (0.25mg).

If I can stop being silly and scratch the shit out of it, I dare say it wouldn't even be this red.

I'm going to try Mots-c again this Thursday at 1mg subq and see what happens. In the meantime, I'll keep stacking the defence/inflammation medication to prepare for it.

Thanks for tuning in! Hopefully I can get over my Mots-c weakness soon!
@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Definitely with @Nasser1997o2 on this one. I don’t think it’s as effective as the effort and side effects you get from it. In saying that, each to their own and if anyone is going to solve it going by the detail in this log it’s gonna be you bro

 

[LevButlerov]

Yep sorry, I was in the middle of another log entry to explain why

got you

 

[LevButlerov]

The battle against Mots-c

Despite the huge benefits Mots-c has to my overall mitochondrial adaption stack, Mots-c and my body don't get along. Previously, every shot would result in a histamine reaction that would swell and sometimes create nodules on my abdomen area depending on the injection volume. I've also tried thigh subq injection but still the same issues.

View attachment 218267

The above photo shows the said reaction at 0.25mg Mots-c....

I am one of the few who may have the condition known as Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) where certain compounds may cause inappropriate release of histamine or a systemic allergy response. Some cases of MCAS are rather mild, whereas others can be potentially life threatening anaphylaxis.

See an example video here from Vigorous Steve show casing the impact of Mots-c and how to dose.

Anyway, I'm stubborn. I need Mots-c in the stack as it synergises with SS-31 and NAD+. To tackle this problem, I put Mots-c on hold for two weeks to raise my tolerance threshold. So what I've done for the past two weeks (14 days) is:

-Vitamin C 1.5g a day
-Quercitin 500mg a day
-Glutathione 100mg IM every 2 days (800mg total)
-Ketotifen 1mg nightly
-KPV 0.5mg a day
-TA-1 10mg total (split 4 times in two weeks)

And with that stack, yesterday I proceeded with my first 0.5mg Mots-c in two weeks making sure I had both Claratyne (Loratadine) and Telfast (Fexofenadine).

See some photos below:
30min after injection
View attachment 218278
2hrs after injection
View attachment 218279
6hrs after injection
View attachment 218280

By this time, I was feeling super itchy on the area despite the low visible rash. To try combat this I had:
View attachment 218281
Gotta say this only helps mildly. I still felt the itch and unfortunately throughout the night I god damn had to scratch it (probably why I woke up alot last night). If anyone has something to block the SENSATION of wanting to itch please let me know.

Anyways this morning result:
View attachment 218282

And now...
View attachment 218283

SO. What this means is that what I have been doing the past two weeks is definitely working. The hive appearance of the rash isn't even there, and this was DOUBLE the injection volume (0.5mg) of the previous two weeks ago photo (0.25mg).

If I can stop being silly and scratch the shit out of it, I dare say it wouldn't even be this red.

I'm going to try Mots-c again this Thursday at 1mg subq and see what happens. In the meantime, I'll keep stacking the defence/inflammation medication to prepare for it.

Thanks for tuning in! Hopefully I can get over my Mots-c weakness soon!
@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

I see this mots C issue you were going sub q thats my view as the issue. im correct you've been pinning it whole time? @OwEv751

 

[OwEv751]

I see this mots C issue you were going sub q thats my view as the issue. im correct you've been pinning it whole time? @OwEv751

I've been doing subq the whole time but actually if the whole process fails this time round, I want to try IM next to see if it may make a difference (since it should be deep enough hopefully....)