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kaiten

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So you read tons of things about heart issues and aas. Much of the information is coming from guys who use massive amounts of it aswell. How safe are we as the casual users?

How do guys on trt for years fair?

How are you guys keeping your hearts healthy and what test are you having done to ensure it is?
 
This is a great topic, and i hope some veterans can chime in and help

for heart health
I take ubiquonol CoQ10 ED
super omegas w/ olive leaf extract
turmeric
taurine

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for cholesterol support:
artichoke leaf extract
red yeast rice
niacin 500mg before bed (HDL)
policosanol(sugar cane extract )

all are everyday dosing
 
Always been my number one concern. There seems to be alot of sides to the debate and trying to distinguish what is real and not it also just as important.
 
Interesting. How about the trt guy's who choose to use slightly more than a trt dose for extended times? I dont mean a cycle dose
 
letsgosarms said:
This is a great topic, and i hope some veterans can chime in and help

for heart health
I take ubiquonol CoQ10 ED
super omegas w/ olive leaf extract
turmeric
taurine

~
for cholesterol support:
artichoke leaf extract
red yeast rice
niacin 500mg before bed (HDL)
policosanol(sugar cane extract )

all are everyday dosing
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did you know that the FDA regulated all the statins out of Red rice yeast....?
 
kaiten said:
So you read tons of things about heart issues and aas. Much of the information is coming from guys who use massive amounts of it aswell. How safe are we as the casual users?

How do guys on trt for years fair?

How are you guys keeping your hearts healthy and what test are you having done to ensure it is?
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For heart health and overall health i use these supplements, and yes i am on TRT with additional dose of Test E:
ubiquinol,L-glutamine,Nattokinase,Serepatase,omega 3,6,9,vit d, vit e, Selenium,Circumin,Garlic with Ginko,plus a good liquid multi with minerals,magnesium gluconate.
 
y1der said:
For heart health and overall health i use these supplements, and yes i am on TRT with additional dose of Test E:
ubiquinol,L-glutamine,Nattokinase,Serepatase,omega 3,6,9,vit d, vit e, Selenium,Circumin,Garlic with Ginko,plus a good liquid multi with minerals,magnesium gluconate.
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Plus i just got some Taurine..havent used that yet
 
kaiten said:
Always been my number one concern. There seems to be alot of sides to the debate and trying to distinguish what is real and not it also just as important.
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I have in the past had a heart issue..My ejection Fraction was off..but with supplements and diet..has come back nicely, i have run a cycle of Var without any heart issues or sides..but it was a light cycle ..now since on TRT feel better than i have in a long long time and im only 6 weeks in :) and starting next week going from 100mg week as prescribed by dr..going to 200 a week (100 every 5 days actually)..no heart issues at all. (I think my DR knew id do 200 a wk..cause my rx is for one thing but the vial has 2 times the rx) and i get one every 12 weeks.any way..I think as long as a guy eases into it and listens to the body..i will be a positive thing.
 
Now policosano is proven to lower total cholesterol...at doese's as low as 20mg a day.
 
I see cardiomegaly on a daily basis in people who never touched aas. If you control BP, blast/cruise or pct properly....i.e. give your body time to come to baseline.....should be gtg....now if u r a pro....lol I'd be under doc supervision weekly and taking all kinds of prescriptions to control BP and cardiomegaly/hypertrophy.
 
So the main cause you say is blood pressure? What do you consider a proper cruise? This i have seen very on almost every site o have ever been to.
 
Proper cruise is getting test near a range that your mind and body enjoy....obviously below 1200 lol. Also cruise long enough that BP, cholesterol and liver return to baseline.
 
They are clearly different in many cases but I have seen individuals cruise that didn't require trt. This being said can this even be done I theory without the problems of heart issues?
 
I'm asking alot of questions because I feel it's important for one myself and two for the forum to see a side of this that many don't consider.
 
I was placed trt recently and needless to say product and delivery sucks. It sUcks with ten times as many issues Studebaker.
 
What test other than female panel do you suggest for guys to get for heart and health protection? How often would you recommend it to folks on cruise?

How often for trt?

What do you recommend for one to take to help keep liver, bp, cholesterol on track?

Would you change the dosages with these doing one or another?
 
letsgosarms said:
so, why is red yeast rice on the market than?

i take policasonal 20mg ED also into split dosages
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cause people still buy it..LOL just like anything else..i think pfizer had the big push on the FDA reg because they patented a statin drug and they ruled it a patent infringement..something like that..I dont do any statins..they have found a direct link to Alzheimer's through statin therapy ..you should read up on it..MY Dr wont even prescribe them anymore..Niacin works well
 
y1der said:
cause people still buy it..LOL just like anything else..i think pfizer had the big push on the FDA reg because they patented a statin drug and they ruled it a patent infringement..something like that..I dont do any statins..they have found a direct link to Alzheimer's through statin therapy ..you should read up on it..MY Dr wont even prescribe them anymore..Niacin works well
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well i know statins are not good for you being my cousin was on statins , wasn't a smoker , nor heavy drink. and had a heart attack, it was the statins. we all know it was

well that's good just one less vitamin i can take a day..
yeah niacin is good for HDL's, yet to find another that helps HDL though
 
This is also a reason I think prohormone are so terrible. Not just because they are dirty but the little research the have. If you do blood work before and after its hard to compare a hard cycle of them to a good cycle or test. no matter how well thought out. I've been that road they made me feel terrible caused all kinds of crap. High bp terrible cholesterol. Liver was still in range but believe it had to do with me being young, healthy and taking precautions. In fact one of my measurements on one pro was 201 total cholesterol with hdl at 19. Made me realize shit is bad and need to do something. Pre was excellent reading.
 
Translation: anything above trt dose is abuse.
We are body builders. We abuse AAS lol.
That being said, keep your blood pressure and cholesterol in check.
 
You know eer and snack and other vets such as hurricane. I Want you guys to chine in. We should come up with an optimal protection for heart liver and cholesterol. Do a few different ones depending on the person. Example bad reading and recovery. Another would be for long term health for cycling and max protection.

With out pushing some of these products may of us have zero interest buying.
 
userbrah said:
Translation: anything above trt dose is abuse.
We are body builders. We abuse AAS lol.
That being said, keep your blood pressure and cholesterol in check.
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LOL..yup, My Dr was really cool..he just asked..what do you think you need? man did i want to fire up a list for him..didnt want to scare him off so i started with the TRT and he also rx'd some Anavar ..same with my AI..he just says what do you need..He knows me well enough to know im not stupid with it and also knows about the Disease im fighting that has no cure...YET :) but i think with what im doing and Genomex his input/program...it will be a battle that is won! I just wish mainstream DR's would get on board with it...My body.ill try what i have to to kick something they dont have a cure for..
 
kaiten said:
You know eer and snack and other vets such as hurricane. I Want you guys to chine in. We should come up with an optimal protection for heart liver and cholesterol. Do a few different ones depending on the person. Example bad reading and recovery. Another would be for long term health for cycling and max protection.

With out pushing some of these products may of us have zero interest buying.
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Sensible people do that research before they do anything else. Just saying..
 
y1der said:
LOL..yup, My Dr was really cool..he just asked..what do you think you need? man did i want to fire up a list for him..didnt want to scare him off so i started with the TRT and he also rx'd some Anavar ..same with my AI..he just says what do you need..He knows me well enough to know im not stupid with it and also knows about the Disease im fighting that has no cure...YET :) but i think with what im doing and Genomex his input/program...it will be a battle that is won! I just wish mainstream DR's would get on board with it...My body.ill try what i have to to kick something they dont have a cure for..
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You're in good hands with Geno. And I hope you're doing better every day. :)
 
If you take steroids at supraphysiological levels you need to take Trimetazidine, period.

The only thing shown in clinical trials to prevent heart damage by forcing the heart to burn glucose for energy rather than fatty acids. The heart damage with steroids occurs because the heart's ability to burn fatty acids becomes compromised, causing a chain reaction of events to occur, all of them bad.

With the heart burning glucose, this can't happen, and indeed in clinical trials, no heart damage was noted in mice given trimetadizine versus the normal expected damage that occurs even on a basic 500mg/week Test cycle...
 
Beastly said:
If you take steroids at supraphysiological levels you need to take Trimetazidine, period.

The only thing shown in clinical trials to prevent heart damage by forcing the heart to burn glucose for energy rather than fatty acids. The heart damage with steroids occurs because the heart's ability to burn fatty acids becomes compromised, causing a chain reaction of events to occur, all of them bad.

With the heart burning glucose, this can't happen, and indeed in clinical trials, no heart damage was noted in mice given trimetadizine versus the normal expected damage that occurs even on a basic 500mg/week Test cycle...
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I bet that was a big fuggin rat. lol
 
Yes but the information is very conflicting. It is better for us and the site here to have people who have real experience in this matter. Matt my trt doc is my gp. I have no other choice and in fact the only two clinic here will only take forty five and over. Not there so I have to do what I got. Unfortunately I'm stuck at the mercy of the VA
 
Protect your heart - don't lay it on the line for crooked dames and way word women's.
 
letsgosarms said:
well i know statins are not good for you being my cousin was on statins , wasn't a smoker , nor heavy drink. and had a heart attack, it was the statins. we all know it was

well that's good just one less vitamin i can take a day..
yeah niacin is good for HDL's, yet to find another that helps HDL though
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Read up on zocor and lipitor - you won't take them afterward. Just cut down on fat intake and do more cardio. I dropped 30 points off mine. I know this isn't possible if high cholesterol isn't simply a diet issue, but in my case it mainly was. Statins can cause heart attacks in otherwise healthy people though. Maybe they help more people than they'd ever hurt, but they scare me, personally.
 
kaiten said:
Yes but the information is very conflicting. It is better for us and the site here to have people who have real experience in this matter. Matt my trt doc is my gp. I have no other choice and in fact the only two clinic here will only take forty five and over. Not there so I have to do what I got. Unfortunately I'm stuck at the mercy of the VA
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Hey I understand dude. I got so frustrated with VA years ago that I don't even bother with them. When I'm on my deathbed with $100000's of medical bills I'll holler at them. lol
 
kaiten said:
Interesting. How about the trt guy's who choose to use slightly more than a trt dose for extended times? I dont mean a cycle dose
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The trt guys that have issues usually already had issues and blame it on the test so they and the lawyers make lotsa money by suing.
Mattdogg said:
You're in good hands with Geno. And I hope you're doing better every day. :)
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Genomex is a very knowledgeable dude. He is actually mentoring me and has forgotten more than I know. Listen to Genomex.
 
CoQ10 - omega 3 - krill oil - healthy diet and not estingue trash food.
I believe that is enough for colesterol and hearth.
 
I feel most experienced and concerned to this point would eliminate most of the junk. What test are you guys getting down to check your heart health
 
Edit done. Phone and Auto correct.

Matt they stuck me with the gel mate. Lost 15 lbs in last 3 months. Diet is good even upped the caloric intake. Strength has fallen considerably to. I am assured it's the gel. Well because it shizz and the dose I am at is basic. I am considering my own trt but not this crap. I am grateful I have a base built up on I'd look like crap.
 
Mattdogg said:
I bet that was a big fuggin rat. lol
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Obviously the dosage was adjusted to reflect what a 500mg/wk cycle looks like, and to the poster below I know of no conflicting information. It's a relatively new drug and has shown to be extremely promising, and in fact has shown to have other heart protecting benefits unrelated to what it does and improves the efficiency of the heart as well. I have read about several doctors who works with bodybuilders recommending this very strongly
 
kaiten said:
Another board I was on they followed a 150 a week protocol
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Im starting 100 every 5 days..right in the middle of the half life of test c, that way ill always have the 1.5 ratio in my body thats how i understand it..taking a full dose right in the middle or a day before the 1/2 life..should be nice and even.
 
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