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Bigbird138
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I would run prop heading up to contest and drop it completely just before to allow yourself to really dry out. Perhaps add in some winni or mast at the end. Lots of options really.
nelson montana
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It's a myth that prop is necessary for a short cycle. Prop kicks in within an hour and remains active for 48 hours. Enth is realeased slower but reaches full impact with a couple of days. So, in reality, you only get a 3 day head start by using prop. After that, it doesn't matter. My advice -- use orals for the first week to get an immediate kick.
I personally see no reason to use prop, other than it is a tad less bloating so guys will use it up to contest day. Then again, a lot of guys feel they look less full on prop.
I personally see no reason to use prop, other than it is a tad less bloating so guys will use it up to contest day. Then again, a lot of guys feel they look less full on prop.
Bigbird138
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This post is so wrong its funny. Don't even know where to start.
fortitude18
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I notice on myself dropping test prop for 7 to 8 days while taking 50 mg of proviron.....I look a lot different...Just a few more shreds here and there escpecially in the abs....People tell me it controlling your carbs but I still say dropping it a week to 10 days out does change your look.....It does for me, but i would try it out 6 to 8 weeks before contest just to be safe and so you know if dropping it will work for you....I do think it different for different people.
nelson montana
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Maybe you don't know where to start because you really don't know what you're talking about.
I don't expect people to not question what I say but I have to say, though I find it humorous that I've been at this for 40 years, have hundreds of works published and have worked with some of the most prestigious doctors, scientists, chemists and experts in the field , yet, some guy who hangs out on message boards thinks he not only knows more, but he's too much of a big shot to even address any difference of opinion beyond the one he concocted in his own head.
nelson montana
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If you can come up with a reasoning, I'll be happy to address it. If you still don't agree or understand it we can leave it at that and let the readers decide what's best. I'm sure those with a higher intellect will know what to choose.
Bigbird138
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I surely have no interest in a pissing match but it is my opinion that a few things you mentioned are factually incorrect. If I'm not mistaken the half life of prop is 3.5 days, this vs. nearly ten days of test enanthate means that it will clear much more quickly, this enabling the dry look I am speaking about. Enanthate simply won't work like that, takes weeks to clear. Also, I think you are mistaken in the belief that it only takes a couple more days for enanthate to reach effective levels vs prop. Enanthate will take several weeks to build to the point that it becomes effective for our purposes. Perhaps you know something I don't, that's surely a possibility, but I feel certain that prop is what you want to run leading up to contest.
Bigbird138
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Good advice here^^
nelson montana
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No pissing match on my end. But I'll address what you said.
Correct, prop lasts about 3 days. (Actually it tapers off quickly toward the end so let's say it's fully active for more like 2 days.) So you;re right, it will clear quickly. But prop doesn't cause much water retention at all, so that should't even be an issue. And it was't one I was contending.
Enamthate takes weeks to CLEAR is in regard to the metabolite being detectable. That has nothing to do with the visible effects.
Nth does not take weeks to "build up." That is a total myth and one that defies science. he drug is active for ten days. After that. ti's gone. So what is "building up?!?!" What you took a month ago is gone. You have in your system usually what you put in it for the last 2 weeks. That's what after 2 weeks it does;t matter if the ester is slow or fast. You have what you have. Understand?
And yes, you;re right that a lot of guys switch to prop pre contest to maintain the test edge but with less bloat. But with some guys, they also flatten out. If you have been sweating excess stare and avoid fluids the day of a show, bloating should't be a problem unless you did stupid high dosages without enough anti aromatase.
nelson montana
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Apologize for the typos. Damn auto correct. But you get what I mean.
Bigbird138
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All good brother, shouldn't have come off so rough to start out. I think we are more on the same page than it seemed at first anyway.
nelson montana
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lancer55
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Bigbird138
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Lol, might be the tren base. But no cage matches from me brother!
nelson montana
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thank you i will definately take mast, i'm just trying to find a source and post so i can private message. by far the most helpful forum i have come across
I'm 54 and feel good and fit but you look great man
I agree it's all testosterone with different esters, enanthate gets released real slow but all this bs on the net that it takes 3-4 wks to kick in is bs. I can feel it after 6 hours man as my sex drive goes up straight away and I get the teen morning glory of later years lol.
All test is test I'd use test long acting like test e or cyp as I only have to pin once a week so why be a martyr and use prop ed or eod seems masochistic to me lol/
Well that's my pennies worth from an old guy
People don't use prop pre-contest because it kicks in faster, it's because it leave the system faster so as not to get a negative drug test.
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