Low test high EQ cycle

[REPHARD]

Have any of you ever done a low test, high EQ cycle?

My body fairs well on low test (250-300mg a week). When i have shot up to 500-750mg all it does it make me look puffy, watery, bloated, ect. Whenever i coast down to maintenance level i lose all the puffiness and my roundness and definition show up much more. I also lose a lot of water weight.

I want to keep my test as is right now, 250mg of Cyp a week and add in 600mg of EQ a week for 16-18 weeks.

Wanted to know if anyone has had a good run doing a cycle like this before or currently.

 

[Testdude63]

I've heard of guys running lower test with higher EQ. You may want to consider running the EQ upwards of 800mg, depending on how you respond.

 

[muskate]

Are you using an AI with your cycle? There should be very minimal water retention from 500mg tesosterone/week if you are supplementing with aromasin at 12.5mg EOD.

I have done low testosterone + high EQ cycles in the past and really liked the results. EQ is one of my favourite compounds. I get great strength increases with very minimal water retention and a nice appetite increase. This is what I would recommend:

weeks 1 - 16
testosterone 250mg/week
EQ 600mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg EOD

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[Bad Juju]

id say test 300 and eq upwards of 900 for max results. run for min 16 weeks as well

 

[LevButlerov]

Something is telling me that you are not using AI's, hence the bloating. If you used aromasin at 12.5 mgs EOD, you should not have any of this bloating. Regarding the proportion of EQ and test, it is fine to use more eq than test. In fact, many guys do so here, and have no problems.

 

[CP3]

Test will not make you bloat like that.. You must not be using an A.I.

 

[Couldabeenu]

Have any of you ever done a low test, high EQ cycle?

My body fairs well on low test (250-300mg a week). When i have shot up to 500-750mg all it does it make me look puffy, watery, bloated, ect. Whenever i coast down to maintenance level i lose all the puffiness and my roundness and definition show up much more. I also lose a lot of water weight.

I want to keep my test as is right now, 250mg of Cyp a week and add in 600mg of EQ a week for 16-18 weeks.

Wanted to know if anyone has had a good run doing a cycle like this before or currently.

Are you planning on closely monitoring your RBC? I've read EQ's greatest strength is a two edged sword, in that it boosts RBC dramatically, and for some to unsafe levels. Stroke, clots, heart fatigue, etc. Some people maybe take a daily aspirin on cycle, but then you have the risk of bleeding out fairly instantly if you're in a car/motorbike wreck (I don't ride my motorcycle for 7 days after an aspirin, to be safe). Also maybe donate blood?

Maybe it's not a huge factor for everybody. I've got some EQ on hand and I'm waiting until I'm more versed to start loading it.

Just checking.

 

[Smokey McPot]

Have any of you ever done a low test, high EQ cycle?

My body fairs well on low test (250-300mg a week). When i have shot up to 500-750mg all it does it make me look puffy, watery, bloated, ect. Whenever i coast down to maintenance level i lose all the puffiness and my roundness and definition show up much more. I also lose a lot of water weight.

I want to keep my test as is right now, 250mg of Cyp a week and add in 600mg of EQ a week for 16-18 weeks.

Wanted to know if anyone has had a good run doing a cycle like this before or currently.

I ran test at 300 mgs a week and EQ at 800 mgs for 16 weeks. I had excellent results.

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This cycle was recommended to me by my source. The whole cycle I thought I would raise the mgs on the test, but I didn't need to. It turned out to be a great cycle

 

[stevesmi]

I agree with whats been said.. are you running an AI?

high EQ is user dependent. I like to use EQ to help with endurance so I use it at a lower dose myself

 

[3CCs]

I've read on other boards where bodybuilders in the middle east use EQ as a base instead of test...interesting. I personally love test..high doses for big gains!

 

[REPHARD]

Are you using an AI with your cycle? There should be very minimal water retention from 500mg tesosterone/week if you are supplementing with aromasin at 12.5mg EOD.

I have done low testosterone + high EQ cycles in the past and really liked the results. EQ is one of my favourite compounds. I get great strength increases with very minimal water retention and a nice appetite increase. This is what I would recommend:

weeks 1 - 16
testosterone 250mg/week
EQ 600mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg EOD

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

I will admit my AI use is only per needed. For example, if i feel tender or a nodule i will dose it. Otherwise i won't.

But when i come down to 250mg i lean right up and i don't use an AI at all.

Like i said, each time i run 500mgs i look puffy. It could either be AI related or i just don't respond well to high test.

And as far as PCT, i blast & cruise so i don't ever come completely off. I'm 32...

 

[aaronjwh250]

I will admit my AI use is only per needed. For example, if i feel tender or a nodule i will dose it. Otherwise i won't.

But when i come down to 250mg i lean right up and i don't use an AI at all.

Like i said, each time i run 500mgs i look puffy. It could either be AI related or i just don't respond well to high test.

And as far as PCT, i blast & cruise so i don't ever come completely off. I'm 32...

This is why you look puffy. Even if you only took 25mg aromasin a week you still wouldn't get those side effects with test at 500mg.

 

[REPHARD]

This is why you look puffy. Even if you only took 25mg aromasin a week you still wouldn't get those side effects with test at 500mg.

I understand, but tell me why when i dose 250mg i don't look puffy at all and i don't use an AI.

 

[gearhead]

I understand, but tell me why when i dose 250mg i don't look puffy at all and i don't use an AI.

bro maybe you have less estrogen receptors....

 

[Bad Juju]

i puff at 500mg a week as well. when dosing low not so much but hard to say anything cause i always use an AI as i am gyno prone

 

[Jrbdallas]

Why would 250 bloat you? You said yourself you blast cruise. You shut your shit down. Your body rely's on thay 250 just to keep your levels normal.

No ai is your choice just remember titties are pretty much permanent once they come in. There are many other benifits of an ai as well. Your bloat issue for example.

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[Bad Juju]

if thats directed at me it is the truth. When I'm blasting it is one hell of a fight to keep the gyno down. i can't even eat fruit cause the sugar in it makes instant nips appear. For anyone who is on cycle i always stress the importance of an AI. once gyno sets in it never goes away. and fuck nothing sucks more than having a sick body with little nips popping out smh

 

[Jrbdallas]

if thats directed at me it is the truth. When I'm blasting it is one hell of a fight to keep the gyno down. i can't even eat fruit cause the sugar in it makes instant nips appear. For anyone who is on cycle i always stress the importance of an AI. once gyno sets in it never goes away. and fuck nothing sucks more than having a sick body with little nips popping out smh

No not you bro. The op. Idk why he's not running a damn ai....

I'm in the same boat as you though. Some just have to learn the hard way I guess like we did lol. I got it down though man. I run proviron and that changed the game. Idk if you tried it yet but proviron and exem. Bout to be doing mast and exem with my cruise.

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[Bad Juju]

I just got some proviron but no idea on how it works tbh. How would you dose it. Pre, during, post cycle? And what does it do exactly. I would love to run it next round. I usually do 25-37.5 asin during my blasting times

 

[REPHARD]

I will be buying some Aromasin and starting AI protocol. Needed to hear all of this. Thank you. It's sometimes easy to overlook the easy things.

 

[aaronjwh250]

I just got some proviron but no idea on how it works tbh. How would you dose it. Pre, during, post cycle? And what does it do exactly. I would love to run it next round. I usually do 25-37.5 asin during my blasting times

People use it all kinds of ways. On cycle, during a cruise, almost never pre cycle or during pct, its not strong enough but it will still suppress you.

I run it at 50mg a day and sometimes only 25mg (it gives a big libido boost, too much) but I've heard of guys going up to 75-100mg daily and even more. I used to use nolvadex to keep water low on cycle, proviron is just as good if not better with much less side effects.
You will get more benefit to the AI and the gear you are using as it helps boost the effectiness of both.

 

[Dennis50]

Yeah I love proviron on cycle, it always makes sex drive crazy.

5fdp,

 

[gainscity]

I never have understood why people do low test on cycles. Test is KING, in the ifbb they never dose it low. Only time would be pre contest when it gets closer to show other then that I feel it should be high.

 

[aaronjwh250]

I never have understood why people do low test on cycles. Test is KING, in the ifbb they never dose it low. Only time would be pre contest when it gets closer to show other then that I feel it should be high.

I agree with this in most situations. I'm currently running test and eq 750mg of both a week and I'm fucking loving it. Eq hasn't even kicked in yet but I can already see a big difference as compared to only 400-500mg test.

 

[MikeSnow]

Looks fine to me, that's how I usually run test / EQ . Sometimes in the 800 range

 

[REPHARD]

I never have understood why people do low test on cycles. Test is KING, in the ifbb they never dose it low. Only time would be pre contest when it gets closer to show other then that I feel it should be high.

The last thing i want to compare myself to is someone in the IFBB. Those guys will do whatever it takes to win a show.

Dosing test high is a myth. You can run a great cycle keeping test low from 250-300mg a wk.

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Looks fine to me, that's how I usually run test / EQ . Sometimes in the 800 range

How do you run your AI?

 

[Jrbdallas]

I just got some proviron but no idea on how it works tbh. How would you dose it. Pre, during, post cycle? And what does it do exactly. I would love to run it next round. I usually do 25-37.5 asin during my blasting times

Start low man. It can fuck with your stomach. Stay at 50. Really enhances my mood and saves me some gyno trouble. I lie it a lot. Helps the libido too. I stayed at 50 for a month or so and o. This mega blast I did I went to 125. It was great. 50 is good for cruising though. Even 25 if it's good

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[Jrbdallas]

People use it all kinds of ways. On cycle, during a cruise, almost never pre cycle or during pct, its not strong enough but it will still suppress you.

I run it at 50mg a day and sometimes only 25mg (it gives a big libido boost, too much) but I've heard of guys going up to 75-100mg daily and even more. I used to use nolvadex to keep water low on cycle, proviron is just as good if not better with much less side effects.
You will get more benefit to the AI and the gear you are using as it helps boost the effectiness of both.

Not nearly as effective as aromasim though.

I believe it does supress you, BUT nobody has been able to prove thay. There is just as strong of a case for those who say it doesn't.

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[Bad Juju]

would one stack it with aromasin or just on its own?

Also i think test is one of the most abused substances. so many people think more is better. Its not always the case. Ive taken up to 800mg a week and seen the same gains doing a basic 500mg a week. no change in diet or training. but everyone is different

 

[aaronjwh250]

Definitely stack it with aromasin. But in my experience I when I add proviron I can get away with taking less aromasin than what I'm used to taking.

 

[Bad Juju]

beauty. ill try that next round 12.5mg asin and 50mg prov. see how it works

 

[REPHARD]

Where can one obtain Prov.

 

[Bad Juju]

most ugl should have it. The ones i have accessible to me in canada do. Im sure they do as well where you are from

 

[Rocco7]

would one stack it with aromasin or just on its own?

Also i think test is one of the most abused substances. so many people think more is better. Its not always the case. Ive taken up to 800mg a week and seen the same gains doing a basic 500mg a week. no change in diet or training. but everyone is different

It's really relieving to see others share this opinion. I agree all cycles should have a test base, but people have gone overboard. I'm seeing too many people running a gram of test, and just like juju mentioned, I don't see much more in gains when I go above 500, just more sides. When people say you have to run your test higher than other compounds to keep from experiencing lethargy, and killed sex drive, I always have to wonder why they simply don't just run proviron, it's always kept me feeling great even when im running nandrolone In The 600 mg range, but it's all individually based.