Venom gator gear

[Bulldog]

He was referencing liquid orals, not the transdermals kfriesen. Oatmeal, this guy was gracious enough to send all of my gear up front and put me on a payment plan. I know of nobody else and rarely any businesses that would dare do this. He's a cool guy and answers my every question which I admit are many as I was ignorant to the compounds and the science. His gear is G2G, I think you guys are focusing way too much on transdermals and losing track that his oils and orals are as good as you will find on the market. It's a shame reading this thread knowing what he has done for me and i'm sure others.

But keep pushing your other sources, I doubt he would want to have guys who are out here shaming his brand. This is a good dude and has the best customer service I have seen, not in this game but any business I have dealt with. The guy is offering refunds, why don't you stop the hate chatter and take him up on it. He also accepts Paypal payments if you want protection. He offers things nobody else does but yeah, just keep on bashing the guy! It's a bad look fellas!

 

[krazieone56]

I thought we had this settled already.

KRAZIEONE

 

[13bret]

He was referencing liquid orals, not the transdermals kfriesen. Oatmeal, this guy was gracious enough to send all of my gear up front and put me on a payment plan. I know of nobody else and rarely any businesses that would dare do this. He's a cool guy and answers my every question which I admit are many as I was ignorant to the compounds and the science. His gear is G2G, I think you guys are focusing way too much on transdermals and losing track that his oils and orals are as good as you will find on the market. It's a shame reading this thread knowing what he has done for me and i'm sure others.

But keep pushing your other sources, I doubt he would want to have guys who are out here shaming his brand. This is a good dude and has the best customer service I have seen, not in this game but any business I have dealt with. The guy is offering refunds, why don't you stop the hate chatter and take him up on it. He also accepts Paypal payments if you want protection. He offers things nobody else does but yeah, just keep on bashing the guy! It's a bad look fellas!

Are you a rep? It would seem that all 4 of your posts are about this lab so...

 

[jbranken]

He was referencing liquid orals, not the transdermals kfriesen. Oatmeal, this guy was gracious enough to send all of my gear up front and put me on a payment plan. I know of nobody else and rarely any businesses that would dare do this. He's a cool guy and answers my every question which I admit are many as I was ignorant to the compounds and the science. His gear is G2G, I think you guys are focusing way too much on transdermals and losing track that his oils and orals are as good as you will find on the market. It's a shame reading this thread knowing what he has done for me and i'm sure others.

But keep pushing your other sources, I doubt he would want to have guys who are out here shaming his brand. This is a good dude and has the best customer service I have seen, not in this game but any business I have dealt with. The guy is offering refunds, why don't you stop the hate chatter and take him up on it. He also accepts Paypal payments if you want protection. He offers things nobody else does but yeah, just keep on bashing the guy! It's a bad look fellas!

Obviously you didn't read what I had to say about venom. Go back in the thread. I didn't even mention his transdermals and he screwed me about 5 different ways. He gave me Fake var twice, once in caps and once in tabs. Others confirmed that they took the same thing and it was NOT var. Not even at 100mg ED did it do shit! He sold me test that ended up being EQ, bloods came back 395 after 4 weeks. Not sure wtf it was. He sold me caber that turned out to be prami, selling gear from a bad chemist to unknowing customers then giving the gear from his "personal chemist" when they complained or called him out. That's called selective scamming. Also, his adex and aromasin didn't do shit. Please PM me if you want to buy some test, tren, prami, var, adex, aromasin of his since you love it so much

I don't work for a source and I have nothing to push. I WONT tell these forum members that this source is g2g when he is SELECTIVE SCAMMING! You have no idea what you are talking about and I suggest you read the thread closer before crying about the transdermals. 4 posts and telling us we look bad? How about, you have 4 posts and look like complete crap by pushing the worst lab I've ever used.

 

[JackSteel]

Good news if he does actually refund money! Funny how trandermals are still on his price list this month, but he can't remember.....

He was talking about liquid ancillaries bro. Not transdermal liquids


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[JackSteel]

Funny thing, when I ordered my transdermals, he sent me that gel shit. When I was unhappy he sent me a bottle of his"new formulation" which was liquid. which is ironic to me now because he sent me the liquid after the gel. Now you have communications saying he doesn't remember how long ago he made the liquid, yet he told me it was his "new formulation" hmm mm....

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Again, he's not talking about transdermals


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[JackSteel]

Are you a rep? It would seem that all 4 of your posts are about this lab so...

This is MY thread 13bret. And no I'm not a rep, I'm a satisfied customer helping a friend out by sorting out the bullshit from the truth.


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[Bulldog]

JB, it's obvious you have not read Jack Steel's posts. If you had a problem then email Gator and he will take care of you as he has everyone else. I don't get it, what is so hard about that?
Then you will at least walk away feeling good about the situation as you didn't lose anything but time. Why are you so resistant? I guarantee you he would have replaced your Test vial if EQ was sent by mistake and he probably would have thrown in some free stuff for the error. You are making it way more difficult then it has to be! PM Jack or myself if you need his email info, the guy will make sure you walk away feeling good about things even if you never order again. Let's get out of our own way and keep it simple. I'm just saying I would not go anywhere else and i'm sure many feel the same way just as you may about your source. Let him fix your problems and we'll all move on positively.

 

[JackSteel]

Obviously you didn't read what I had to say about venom. Go back in the thread. I didn't even mention his transdermals and he screwed me about 5 different ways. He gave me Fake var twice, once in caps and once in tabs. Others confirmed that they took the same thing and it was NOT var. Not even at 100mg ED did it do shit! He sold me test that ended up being EQ, bloods came back 395 after 4 weeks. Not sure wtf it was. He sold me caber that turned out to be prami, selling gear from a bad chemist to unknowing customers then giving the gear from his "personal chemist" when they complained or called him out. That's called selective scamming. Also, his adex and aromasin didn't do shit. Please PM me if you want to buy some test, tren, prami, var, adex, aromasin of his since you love it so much

I don't work for a source and I have nothing to push. I WONT tell these forum members that this source is g2g when he is SELECTIVE SCAMMING! You have no idea what you are talking about and I suggest you read the thread closer before crying about the transdermals. 4 posts and telling us we look bad? How about, you have 4 posts and look like complete crap by pushing the worst lab I've ever used.

Jbranken, here we go again man. Did he screw up a lot? Yes, but please stop calling people scammers when it's not provable. He said himself he was a newbie in the game in the start and was disorganized and didn't know what he was doing. I can even show you the email admitting this. He has since perfected his game and I highly doubt was giving you bad shot on purpose. He should've been more careful but every piece of evidence points to him not being a scammer.

Scammers do not give refunds and they sure don't give refunds more than a year later to make it up to pissed off people.


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[JackSteel]

CAN WE CLOSE THIS THREAD PLEASE??? Of y'all don't want to use gator and keep bashing him it's fine but stay off my thread. I'm not trying to give people a soap box to spread rumors on. Thanks


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[JackSteel]

People call Alinshop a scammer all the time as well and I've never been scammed lol people are too quick to call honest mistakes "scams" even though the "culprit" doesn't run away and disappear, this criminal likes to steal and then hang around and give you your money back lolol


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[JackSteel]

Straight absurdity. GUYS ASK FOR REFUND OR SHUT UP! PLEASE!


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[JackSteel]

Okay mods, members, owner of the site.... Check your FACTS before getting your panties in a bunch. If a so called "scammer" offers your money back, you don't have jack shit to complain about anymore. Period. Scammers don't refund!!! If you're mad, get your refund! If you don't want your refund then you must not be that upset about getting "scammed".

If you don't like venom fine don't use him. This forum will not be held accountable for any source recommended here, why? Because I'm the one who is saying he's good, not mods or admin. Relax your sphincters and take a deep breath. Let other guys get good gear at half the price of any other place and you nay-Sayers go buy gear where you want to. Continuing to bash venom while refusing to let him fix his mistakes is dishonest on ya'lls part, not his. The mods have already agreed they don't want venom? Okay well sounds just like EF to me.


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[JackSteel]

Sorry but this is cronyism just like every other site out there. How about let us talk about what we want and let us decide?


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[Casca]

Sorry but this is cronyism just like every other site out there. How about let us talk about what we want and let us decide?


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Easy bro, just like anything else, members are not slaves, if someone wants to try VENOM/GATOR, that is entirely on them. Bad experiences can take place with all things.

Step back and take a breath, this UGL appears to me, close to ur heart, and this thread is stressin u out abit. Back up before u blow a gasket.

load some plates on that bish, it's ur set!!!

 

[JackSteel]

Lol yeah man I agree with everything you just said. It's just that someone told me the mods have unanimously agreed y'all "don't want venom anywhere near this forum" I won't say who but that statement set me off a bit. I think members are smart enough to choose and let's just stop bashing a dead horse


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[jbranken]

Sorry but this is cronyism just like every other site out there. How about let us talk about what we want and let us decide?


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You guys can do or go wherever you want for gear and talk about it, otherwise the thread would be gone.

Are you saying that I shouldn't make an attempt to protect the members of this forum? It's kind of my job. I'll stay out of your thread, but for future reference, if I see a thread go up about a source that I had a terrible experience with, I will always jump in and warn the community about it. No agenda, just doing what I feel is right. If you have the right to defend this lab, then others have a right to steer people away from a potentially bad experience. Isn't that fair? Maybe venom cleaned up and got organized and I can respect that, but it doesn't mean I should give him a green light to everyone here.

I attempted to cruise on test and ended up shooting EQ or some unknown substance instead. I don't know why people aren't taking that a little more seriously. That's very serious and in this game, there's really no room for those kinds of errors. I basically lost everything from my previous cycle because I had no pct to recover natural test, and no exogenous test to cruise on, yet it was still suppressing me. One mistake like that is enough for me and certainly has enough merit on its own for me to red flag this lab everytime it is mentioned on this board. Sorry if that offends you. I don't want his money, I want to keep people safe. I have no argument with Jack or anyone else but I do take this stuff very seriously and it's my opinion, which I'm entitled to, the same as you.

 

[Casca]

I'm sure the mods r keeping, what they believe to be, the best interest of this board in mind.

I'm sure gator is surviving without the members here at evo.

Damn JB, u type fast.

 

[OATMEAL12]

I'm sure the mods r keeping, what they believe to be, the best interest of this board in mind

This right here. Gator is a good guy but im happy with robo, Ay, BW, and DS.


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[JackSteel]

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[JackSteel]

JB I like you man, and we are all entitled to our opinion and free speech. It's just my opinion that it's more honorable to not try to put out negativity over past mistakes. I'm in a phase of trying to forgive people more lol I have anger issues to work on so I'm trying to live life positively which is where this comes from in me. I started this thread to get to the bottom of the rumors and ten it turned into wanting to do gator a favor as well as help out some of you who got fucked early on. It just seems like no one is asking for a refund and chooses to keep bashing is all. I NEED SOME HARMONY IN MY LIFFFFEEE!!!!


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[ceo]

People call Alinshop a scammer all the time as well and I've never been scammed lol people are too quick to call honest mistakes "scams" even though the "culprit" doesn't run away and disappear, this criminal likes to steal and then hang around and give you your money back lolol


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Alin is a well known selective scammer. Has been for years. He also makes trouble for his competition in many ways. He has people post lies across the boards about sources and manufacturers. A while ago, Vermodje started outselling Balkan in Russia and a few other markets, so Alin had his boys start spreading lies about the Vermodje brand. I found that on EF and compared the IPs.

Alin is the one who caused all the shipping trouble for naps a few years back when nobody was getting packs from naps for up to 6 to 8 months. Naps had to reship everything and some lucky bros actually got their original shipment and their reship. But most didn't. I'm not sure if the rest of naps' packs that got held by the postal workers (thanks to Alin's powerful daddy stepping in to help out his criminal son) were released or given back to naps, but I doubt it.

I'd never do business with him, but if you are a source or competitor operating in his area or markets, and you get too big he and his daddy will surely make things rough for you or put you out of business, one way or another.

 

[JackSteel]

Am I the only one who almost always wakes up in one of those "find me someone to kill" moods??? Lolol and yes I woke up 2 hours ago


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[JackSteel]

Alin may be. I won't go to bat for him like I am with gator. I've never spoken to alin. I feel I have a good discernment of people so I tend to trust my instincts


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[13bret]

This is MY thread 13bret. And no I'm not a rep, I'm a satisfied customer helping a friend out by sorting out the bullshit from the truth.


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I wasn't questioning you, i was questioning the guy w/4 posts. You at least contribute to our community outside this thread's topic. He hasn't so his chiming in here doesn't help you.

 

[JackSteel]

I wasn't questioning you, i was questioning the guy w/4 posts. You at least contribute to our community outside this thread's topic. He hasn't so his chiming in here doesn't help you.

I know I was just trying to take his bullet since I started this whole mess lol


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[jbranken]

JB I like you man, and we are all entitled to our opinion and free speech. It's just my opinion that it's more honorable to not try to put out negativity over past mistakes. I'm in a phase of trying to forgive people more lol I have anger issues to work on so I'm trying to live life positively which is where this comes from in me. I started this thread to get to the bottom of the rumors and ten it turned into wanting to do gator a favor as well as help out some of you who got fucked early on. It just seems like no one is asking for a refund and chooses to keep bashing is all. I NEED SOME HARMONY IN MY LIFFFFEEE!!!!


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Like I said buddy, it's not personal at all. I know a few great UGL labs and if people started shit with them id stand up and defend them too. I'll take your word that venom is a 'put together' a source now, but I tried him at the start and I felt like I was getting screwed on every order. Every order had one or more bad products lol. It's a big deal to me and I hold a grudge about that. For that reason, I'll just keep my distance. Now, I'd hold any source to the fire that did that to me even once, let alone countless times. Just the way I am

 

[JackSteel]

Like I said buddy, it's not personal at all. I know a few great UGL labs and if people started shit with them id stand up and defend them too. I'll take your word that venom is a 'put together' a source now, but I tried him at the start and I felt like I was getting screwed on every order. Every order had one or more bad products lol. It's a big deal to me and I hold a grudge about that. For that reason, I'll just keep my distance. Now, I'd hold any source to the fire that did that to me even once, let alone countless times. Just the way I am

Understandable. Totally. I'm just hating the word scammer being thrown around too much. I'd do the same in your shoes.


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[ceo]

Lol yeah man I agree with everything you just said. It's just that someone told me the mods have unanimously agreed y'all "don't want venom anywhere near this forum" I won't say who but that statement set me off a bit. I think members are smart enough to choose and let's just stop bashing a dead horse


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I think this was the initial desire from one or two mods, but I believe admin put the kibosh on the idea. Regardless, there have been several threads on this lab that are still around. Don't you think they would have been deleted if what you say is true?

If gator is giving refunds and not selling transdermals and is willing to make up for past transgressions, I think that speaks volumes for the guy. Now if he would just stop making so damn many mistakes.

 

[Bulldog]

If the guy was a scammer he wouldn't give refunds to any and all who ask. If he was a scammer he would have likely changed his name by now so that he can be "new" again and screw people around. Instead, he has decided to stick with his shamed brand and make up for it with better performance. I don't disagree with you guys who had bad experiences in the sense that I wouldn't likely use him again if I got EQ instead of Test or had a bad experience. I'm just saying stop the chatter and embrace the fact that the dude said he is willing to fix it as he has for everyone else. Then you can stop the bashing and move on and allow the guy the opportunity to correct his mistakes.

I'm happy with his products and that is all that matters. I actually compete in amateur bodybuilding competitions so I take my gear quality very seriously and one mis-step can be the difference between winning and losing. I trust the guy and have placed 2nd and 1st in my last two competitions. Be glad that we have good sources to choose from but you need to stop judging him on a couple bad performances from a year ago. He has picked up his game and reinvented himself and if you wish to try it you won't be disappointed. How do I know? because if you are he will refund! Try and find another source who will do that! Instead they will laugh and tell you to use western union where you have no protection. Just use your logic guys, that's all that I can ask here.

 

[Oldjarhead]

I didn't want to go thrue the hassle of a cash refund so Gator offered some test and a transdermal too... I said I'd rather have The Pharma Caber and 42 50mg Winstrols so I got a tracking number yesterday and we'll see if it's legit. I figure it can't hurt I never really needed caber for Tren yet but I'm tryi g Ace for the first time soooo better to have it. Hope it's gtg

 

[ceo]

If the guy was a scammer he wouldn't give refunds to any and all who ask. If he was a scammer he would have likely changed his name by now so that he can be "new" again and screw people around. Instead, he has decided to stick with his shamed brand and make up for it with better performance. I don't disagree with you guys who had bad experiences in the sense that I wouldn't likely use him again if I got EQ instead of Test or had a bad experience. I'm just saying stop the chatter and embrace the fact that the dude said he is willing to fix it as he has for everyone else. Then you can stop the bashing and move on and allow the guy the opportunity to correct his mistakes.

I'm happy with his products and that is all that matters. I actually compete in amateur bodybuilding competitions so I take my gear quality very seriously and one mis-step can be the difference between winning and losing. I trust the guy and have placed 2nd and 1st in my last two competitions. Be glad that we have good sources to choose from but you need to stop judging him on a couple bad performances from a year ago. He has picked up his game and reinvented himself and if you wish to try it you won't be disappointed. How do I know? because if you are he will refund! Try and find another source who will do that! Instead they will laugh and tell you to use western union where you have no protection. Just use your logic guys, that's all that I can ask here.

Also, I wouldn't be too keen on using a source that took paypal. I can't even believe he is dumb enough to KEEP using paypal! That's a very easy way to get busted. If he took paypal from a handful of very old long time trusted customers, that is one thing, but to accept it as a method of payment? Crazy stupid. He is dealing in illegal substances. Paypal can easily shut his account down. Didn't he already have trouble with this?

 

[ceo]

I didn't want to go thrue the hassle of a cash refund so Gator offered some test and a transdermal too... I said I'd rather have The Pharma Caber and 42 50mg Winstrols so I got a tracking number yesterday and we'll see if it's legit. I figure it can't hurt I never really needed caber for Tren yet but I'm tryi g Ace for the first time soooo better to have it. Hope it's gtg

He's still selling that fucking transdermal junk? God damn. I thought he recognized that as one of his mistakes? Is he still telling people 70-80% absorption? I hope not.

 

[Oldjarhead]

Yea he says he got the formula right this time lol I just laugh I was a real newb then. I love pinning now it's the best...

 

[JackSteel]

I think this was the initial desire from one or two mods, but I believe admin put the kibosh on the idea. Regardless, there have been several threads on this lab that are still around. Don't you think they would have been deleted if what you say is true?

If gator is giving refunds and not selling transdermals and is willing to make up for past transgressions, I think that speaks volumes for the guy. Now if he would just stop making so damn many mistakes.

You're right, I'm sorry for comparing evo to EF because my thread would've been locked immediately lol


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[JackSteel]

He's still selling that fucking transdermal junk? God damn. I thought he recognized that as one of his mistakes? Is he still telling people 70-80% absorption? I hope not.

He says he got the dosing all wrong. Just relaying the info. I just mentioned to him that if he wanted to send me a free test bottle of the new transdermal I could give an honest review and hopefully a few people might trust my word on it and he could gain a little trust back. Not a lot of people know me on evolutionary but I'm on a few other forums that some of you guys are members of and hopefully I have a reputation of being sincere. IF he agrees I'll post a thread and log it a little bit for y'all. I'm already on trt so if it happens it'll be dbol or something not too expensive but easy to see effects of. I don't want ask for too much.

PS. I'm not sure if he still claims 80% absorption. I'll see.


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[JackSteel]

Also, I wouldn't be too keen on using a source that took paypal. I can't even believe he is dumb enough to KEEP using paypal! That's a very easy way to get busted. If he took paypal from a handful of very old long time trusted customers, that is one thing, but to accept it as a method of payment? Crazy stupid. He is dealing in illegal substances. Paypal can easily shut his account down. Didn't he already have trouble with this?

Fucking paypal dropped my account because they found out I did some adult work. Long story. Then they tried to reverse funds that had already been transferred to my bank account, in fact this happened twice after I tried to make a new account. That's not even their policy I found out and got it all back. Fuck paypal. I like this site called transferwise.com. It's from the makers of Skype and paypal but oh well it works for now.


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[ceo]

He says he got the dosing all wrong. Just relaying the info. I just mentioned to him that if he wanted to send me a free test bottle of the new transdermal I could give an honest review and hopefully a few people might trust my word on it and he could gain a little trust back. Not a lot of people know me on evolutionary but I'm on a few other forums that some of you guys are members of and hopefully I have a reputation of being sincere. IF he agrees I'll post a thread and log it a little bit for y'all. I'm already on trt so if it happens it'll be dbol or something not too expensive but easy to see effects of. I don't want ask for too much.

PS. I'm not sure if he still claims 80% absorption. I'll see.


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There's just no way it can be that high. Go look up the facts on androgel and testim or whatever they're called. No way that guy is producing something 7-8 times better than BigPharma.

Fucking paypal dropped my account because they found out I did some adult work. Long story. Then they tried to reverse funds that had already been transferred to my bank account, in fact this happened twice after I tried to make a new account. That's not even their policy I found out and got it all back. Fuck paypal. I like this site called transferwise.com. It's from the makers of Skype and paypal but oh well it works for now.


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paypal is the fucking nazis of payment systems. I'm going to look up this transferwise, but if it is by paypal...eh...

 

[JackSteel]

I have transdermal tbol on the way that I'm going to log to y'all's satisfaction guys. I'm not too proud to admit if it doesn't work so Be sure I'll give my sincere review. I'll post when it gets here!


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[liftflinn]

Will be following this tbol review

 

[Wootoom]

hes a good bro, awesome guy to deal with...but, transdermal stuff just doesnt cut it....the absorption rate is not good...im way more comfortable injecting...never tried his injectables

 

[ceo]

I never liked rubbing any stuff like that on my body. They always leave like a greasy or sticky feeling. I can't even use lotions that leave a greasy feeling. Plus I have kids and a wife and I don't need my kids going through early puberty and my wife growing a beard and getting a deep voice.

 

[dirtydeed]

I never liked rubbing any stuff like that on my body. They always leave like a greasy or sticky feeling. I can't even use lotions that leave a greasy feeling. Plus I have kids and a wife and I don't need my kids going through early puberty and my wife growing a beard and getting a deep voice.

When I started trt it was the axiron under the armpit, hated that oily feeling. That lasted about a week lol

Unless my hands are crackin open I can't do lotions either they all leave a greasy feel

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[Cwibstr]

I never liked rubbing any stuff like that on my body. They always leave like a greasy or sticky feeling. I can't even use lotions that leave a greasy feeling. Plus I have kids and a wife and I don't need my kids going through early puberty and my wife growing a beard and getting a deep voice.

Agreed, I can't stand lotion on my hands drives me crazy! Like DD said unless my hands are split and bleeding,lol. I didn't mind forma stanzol.

 

[JackSteel]

So far venom has helped out 2 guys with refunds from Evo. If you guys would sound off I'm sure he would appreciate it and so would I.


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[Bulldog]

So far venom has helped out 2 guys with refunds from Evo. If you guys would sound off I'm sure he would appreciate it and so would I.


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I'm glad to hear that! I have never had to ask him for a refund or replacement but it's great to know that he will come through should that ever be the case.
Here was his analogy regarding be judged on early mistakes:

"I made a mistake with dosing as a rookie but now I am a vet and an all star if I do say so myself. Everything here is tested and is G2G. And if there is a problem I will gladly refund so it sounds like a no lose situation for my guys. But I won't pretend I can think on others behalf, they may think somehow getting their money back is a scam.

I like sports so I will use it as an analogy. I was brought up to the majors a few months before I was ready and I struggled.
But I continued to keep my head down and work and now I am on the all star team. If people want to define me by my first few months in the big leagues then they can do so, but it won't prevent me from getting into the hall of fame. But the PED's I use probably will haha."

 

[m88tow]

I contacted him about my issues I had with the var and transdermals. He sent me a list and said to let him know what I wanted and he would ship it right out. I will have to say that is pretty stand up. I will update again when I receive the gear.

He also said that his dosing was wrong on the transdermals at first and he has that part fixed but admitted that as long as you don't mind pinning the oils and orals are the way to go. I for one will never try another transdermal in my life because it is a pain and pinning EOD or twice a week is so much less work with way better results.


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[Casca]

Can't get anymore stand up than that. Fixing issues. We all have them. Doing right by other people is where its at!

 

[JackSteel]

Thanks guys. You'll love the oils I can promise you that. Not to suck his dick too much, but he's got one of the best varieties that I've seen anyway. Used his tbol oral once already and gonna see how the transdermal does now. Should've done more time off cycle but eh :/


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[dirtydeed]

Is this guy private or website based?

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[jbranken]

He's private

 

[dirtydeed]

He's private

Thanks jb, I sent jack a pm yesterday asking the same but guess he had his hands full

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[Rockwilder]

I contacted him about my issues I had with the var and transdermals. He sent me a list and said to let him know what I wanted and he would ship it right out. I will have to say that is pretty stand up. I will update again when I receive the gear.

Same here, which is obviously very cool of him. I trust and believe Jack about his experience with the oils, but has anyone else used the injectables? Or even the orals?

 

[Bulldog]

I've used the oils and the orals for my competitions. They are G2G. With that said, I only started using him about 9 months ago and apparently before I came to him he had some issues out of the gate.
But I am extremely happy with the results that I have achieved. I know he sent some orals and injectables to previously unsatisfied customers so hopefully they will log them on here and everyone will see that he has improved.

For reference, i've used his Halo, Anavar, Winstrol, Aromasin, Caber, Cialis and Clomid orals. I have used his Test E, Masteron E, Tren E, Equipoise and Metribolone injectables. All were spot on and the new logs will reveal that in my opinion. I have just started his Kefei HGH and it scored a 33 at 10IU's 3 hours after IM injection. I am loving the initial fat loss results. My hand cramping up so quickly blows but it's part of the side effects of Growth. Venom for life as far as i'm concerned and his customer service is the best i've seen.

 

[Casca]

Anyone else pushing venom OTHER than Steel and Bulldog? Thx for ur post however.

Mind posting pic in "member's pic" thread?

Gainz are what we r after!!

 

[Bulldog]

Yeah, I'll post my pic bro. The results will speak for themselves. Let me find the section and i'll put it in there.

 

[Bulldog]

I'm trying to post it now, hopefully it comes through though I see no attachments on here currently.

 

[Casca]

Looking for a less dramatic cover shot photo. Anything recent normal pic.

Not bad tho bro, I don't want to be that skinny. Take care of those nips. That right 1 doesn't look so good.

 

[Bulldog]

That was precontest so that's why I had them done. You should see my before pic. My fat ass on the beach.

 

[Casca]

^^^^ still no fatbody pic from the beach?

Sure post them up. If its in reference to you promoting venom, than there's the perfect advertisement. Than this chatter can be done with.

 

[JackSteel]

Is this guy private or website based?

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Your inbox is full dirtydeed. I tried to reply sorry


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[Oldjarhead]

Can't get anymore stand up than that. Fixing issues. We all have them. Doing right by other people is where its at!

I just got the caber he refunded me with looks legit and 42 50mgs of winstrol won't know if it's bunk till I run it in May. I'll keep EVO posted.

 

[Bulldog]

I just got the caber he refunded me with looks legit and 42 50mgs of winstrol won't know if it's bunk till I run it in May. I'll keep EVO posted.

He gets the Caber direct from a pharmacy and I am on it now if that's what you are referring to. I've had no issues whilst on it and definitely prefer it to Prami. It will do the job.
You'll really like the winny, it's one of my favorite compounds. I just wish I could run it longer. Damn 17-AA!

 

[ben_443]

Am now officially a venom pharmaceuticals reseller down here in Aus. You will not have to deal with customs anymore and I can arrange face to face pick ups if within distance.
What do u guys think?

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[ben_443]

You Can verify with gator if you like.

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[ceo]

Am now officially a venom pharmaceuticals reseller down here in Aus. You will not have to deal with customs anymore and I can arrange face to face pick ups if within distance.
What do u guys think?

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Did you ever get back to these guys in the last Aus source thread?

http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/source-talk/australians-your-new-source-here!-1593.html

A warning to others. I paid Ben 2 months ago for some gear that he said would take two weeks tops. After various exchanges via pm's with one claiming he had sent it but must have been to the wrong address & would fix it up asap. He has provided no proof of postage or any proof that he has done anything other than take my money. I sent another pm last night asking him to contact me via email as he cant pm on this board & that if he did not make contact I would take this out into the public. I cant pm via the board he is saying for contact & to be honest he was quick to jump at the chance to take my money so he should have got his post count up here & contacted me. I have asked for him to return my money after waiting the two months but now there is radio silence.

They accused you of scamming. Does gator know you are a scammer?

 

[ben_443]

I'm no scammer I stuffed up with one guy I was trying to help out which I'm going to make right. Well according to you guys gator is also a 'scammer' I've been working with gator for a while now so he knows I'm no scammer. I'm just trying to help bros out from Aus I already have a large customer base so if you want to think I'm a scammer that's fine mate no skin off my sack.


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[mjd]

Never heard back from ben_443 its been at least 4 months I think since I gave him money.

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[ben_443]

And like I said I will personally bring the goods to the buyer where possible so i don't see how I can rip anyone off there mate

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[Casca]

Oh here we go, gloves off, let it out! Talk to us mjd. How much did u lose and ben if u had a solid source then, y all of a sudden drop the name of gator. Appears that the ugl is gonna have trouble getting traction here with all the reliable sources that are currently used. Certainly not lending any crediblity to the situation if people r out money.

 

[ben_443]

Last time the issue was with one guy and it was because of customs I was also financially fucked so making it right outta my own pocket couldn't happen. I'm more than happy to sort out mjd as it was my mistake I'll also throw in some free stuff. The reason I'm going through gator is because his stuff is gtg and has no problem with customs. I'll have all stock on hand in Aus so customs will be no issue. If no one here is interested thats fine like I said I have plenty of customers out side of this forum.
Cheers.

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[ceo]

And like I said I will personally bring the goods to the buyer where possible so i don't see how I can rip anyone off there mate

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you haven't gotten back to a customer in 4 months? You took his money and he's received nothing??? If I were that customer I'd be calling you a scammer all over the place. I'd say it seems like you ripped him off alright. Give the man his fucking money back!!!

 

[ceo]

Last time the issue was with one guy and it was because of customs I was also financially fucked so making it right outta my own pocket couldn't happen. I'm more than happy to sort out mjd as it was my mistake I'll also throw in some free stuff. The reason I'm going through gator is because his stuff is gtg and has no problem with customs. I'll have all stock on hand in Aus so customs will be no issue. If no one here is interested thats fine like I said I have plenty of customers out side of this forum.
Cheers.

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And one very angry customer in this forum. But you don't need him right? Just his money. Give the man his money back or be labeled a scammer.

I bet if someone had your money and you didn't have gear after 4 months you'd be blowing the fuck up about it all over, wouldn't you? Financially fucked? But you have all these customers. How many of them got fucked too? How'd you get financially fucked? You still got money to pay for your internet. I bet you are putting gas in your car and food on the table too. Give this motherfucker his money back, scammer.

 

[ceo]

Oh here we go, gloves off, let it out! Talk to us mjd. How much did u lose and ben if u had a solid source then, y all of a sudden drop the name of gator. Appears that the ugl is gonna have trouble getting traction here with all the reliable sources that are currently used. Certainly not lending any crediblity to the situation if people r out money.

The fucking gall of this piece of shit scamming ass scammer too!! Fucker comes in here and acts all uppity about it. He don't need customers from Evo. Nope, he took their money already. He just needed that to get by for 4 months while he was financially fucked. Wonder how many other boards he's scamming on?

Takes money and doesn't get back to the customer for 4 months and says he doesn't see how he can rip anyone off? Unbelievable. I would never do business with a fucking piece of shit like ben_443.

BUYER BEWARE!!

 

[BigTurk]

And like I said I will personally bring the goods to the buyer where possible so i don't see how I can rip anyone off there mate

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Then why don't you personally take the man the stuff he paid for 4 months ago?

I have no idea what other industry a person would admit to taking money and not giving them the product and then act like its no big deal...SMFH...

 

[mjd]

It was not a huge amount of money but that's not the point, I do not have a wad of notes to light cigars with or anything. Have not heard a word from him & have pm'ed him with email address to get back to me as with his post count he can not reply so he has the chance to right this situation. To be honest I have stopped visiting the forum the last few months as it left a bitter taste in my mouth after this so called transaction. Not fair to this great community that they loose my traffic but that's how it has been of late.

 

[Casca]

It was not a huge amount of money but that's not the point, I do not have a wad of notes to light cigars with or anything. Have not heard a word from him & have pm'ed him with email address to get back to me as with his post count he can not reply so he has the chance to right this situation. To be honest I have stopped visiting the forum the last few months as it left a bitter taste in my mouth after this so called transaction. Not fair to this great community that they loose my traffic but that's how it has been of late.

Doesn't matter, no matter how much u spent. 4 months, that is down right foul!!! Sure of course u guys together want to make it right, but it isn't RIGHT!

DON'T GO INTO THE LIGHT!

 

[dirtydeed]

Oh here we go, gloves off, let it out! Talk to us mjd. How much did u lose and ben if u had a solid source then, y all of a sudden drop the name of gator. Appears that the ugl is gonna have trouble getting traction here with all the reliable sources that are currently used. Certainly not lending any crediblity to the situation if people r out money.

Agree, 4 freakin months & your still tryin to make it right....bullshit. It don't take no 4months to either send his money back or send the gear...???

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[JackSteel]

How about let's not associate venom with ben cool?? Okay so after this weekend I'm starting a log on the transdermal tbol. I can already feel it but I'm gonna need a couple days at the gym to play. Woke up to pee with a hard on which only ever happens with winny tbol, masteron or HCG for me. I don't know what the absorption % is but it feels pretty good. Muscle control and strength I already notice is there as well as a pumped feeling. That was first day yesterday so I didn't want to be fooled by placebo effect. The abnormal boners are a pretty guaranteed indicator for me though.


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[ceo]

How about let's not associate venom with ben cool?? Okay so after this weekend I'm starting a log on the transdermal tbol. I can already feel it but I'm gonna need a couple days at the gym to play. Woke up to pee with a hard on which only ever happens with winny tbol, masteron or HCG for me. I don't know what the absorption % is but it feels pretty good. Muscle control and strength I already notice is there as well as a pumped feeling. That was first day yesterday so I didn't want to be fooled by placebo effect. The abnormal boners are a pretty guaranteed indicator for me though.


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nobody but ben associated himself with gator/venom. I just asked if gator knew he was a scammer. I'm not sure how gator would feel knowing that. But I guess as long as gator gets paid first then it's cool. Just tell gator not to extend credit to this ben guy in Aus.

I wake up with a hard on like every day dude, AAS or no AAS.

 

[Bulldog]

How about let's not associate venom with ben cool?? Okay so after this weekend I'm starting a log on the transdermal tbol. I can already feel it but I'm gonna need a couple days at the gym to play. Woke up to pee with a hard on which only ever happens with winny tbol, masteron or HCG for me. I don't know what the absorption % is but it feels pretty good. Muscle control and strength I already notice is there as well as a pumped feeling. That was first day yesterday so I didn't want to be fooled by placebo effect. The abnormal boners are a pretty guaranteed indicator for me though.


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Damn bro, you are already feeling it? This should be a fun ride if it's already hitting your system this quickly. Do you have anything to combat estrogen sides? I ask because I assume the transdermals are a little more unstable in that department if you don't have an AI because they are in and out of your system so fast. ALso, if it hits that quickly i'm curious if I should try the Test Base and use it pre-workout for added pump and aggression. I never wanted to pin the suspension pre-workout but perhaps the transdermal is a great alternative for that.

 

[ceo]

Damn bro, you are already feeling it? This should be a fun ride if it's already hitting your system this quickly. Do you have anything to combat estrogen sides? I ask because I assume the transdermals are a little more unstable in that department if you don't have an AI because they are in and out of your system so fast. ALso, if it hits that quickly i'm curious if I should try the Test Base and use it pre-workout for added pump and aggression. I never wanted to pin the suspension pre-workout but perhaps the transdermal is a great alternative for that.

if it is Tbol he won't need to worry about estrogen conversion...at least not from that. Assuming it is actually tbol, and not dbol.

 

[BigTurk]

Damn bro, you are already feeling it? This should be a fun ride if it's already hitting your system this quickly. Do you have anything to combat estrogen sides? I ask because I assume the transdermals are a little more unstable in that department if you don't have an AI because they are in and out of your system so fast. ALso, if it hits that quickly i'm curious if I should try the Test Base and use it pre-workout for added pump and aggression. I never wanted to pin the suspension pre-workout but perhaps the transdermal is a great alternative for that.

Hmm...that doesn't make any sense...if its in and out of the system quicker it should be less prone to convert to E, not more...regardless a compound is only going to cause E sides if it can aromatize, which I'm not sure if TBol is one or not...

 

[Bulldog]

nobody but ben associated himself with gator/venom. I just asked if gator knew he was a scammer. I'm not sure how gator would feel knowing that. But I guess as long as gator gets paid first then it's cool. Just tell gator not to extend credit to this ben guy in Aus.

I wake up with a hard on like every day dude, AAS or no AAS.

Ignorance is Bliss! I can't live my life that way but i'm glad you found what works for you.

 

[ceo]

Ignorance is Bliss! I can't live my life that way but i'm glad you found what works for you.

I have no idea what you mean by this or on what basis you are calling me ignorant. Care to explain?

 

[outlaw]

You are ignorant dude.. Where is Flip,M88tow and your back up little boys.. You're silly crew that adores you.. My 2 cent..

I have no idea what you mean by this or on what basis you are calling me ignorant. Care to explain?

 

[ceo]

You are ignorant dude.. Where is Flip,M88tow and your back up little boys.. You're silly crew that adores you.. My 2 cent..

well I see from looking back on your posts that you are a big fan of paja and analogman, so I won't pay much attention to you anymore. You probably are analogman. You are sounding a bit like him. I figured he would leave well enough alone considering...

 

[JackSteel]

nobody but ben associated himself with gator/venom. I just asked if gator knew he was a scammer. I'm not sure how gator would feel knowing that. But I guess as long as gator gets paid first then it's cool. Just tell gator not to extend credit to this ben guy in Aus.

I wake up with a hard on like every day dude, AAS or no AAS.

That wasn't aimed at you, it was just a laugh kinda. I guess I have high shbg naturally cause I don't get random boners for no reason unless I'm on one of those I mentioned. I'm kinda glad too because my penis gets me into trouble when it's unchained so to speak lol


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[BigTurk]

That wasn't aimed at you, it was just a laugh kinda. I guess I have high shbg naturally cause I don't get random boners for no reason unless I'm on one of those I mentioned. I'm kinda glad too because my penis gets me into trouble when it's unchained so to speak lol


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Gotta punish those ho's for their transgressions. Lol...

 

[JackSteel]

if it is Tbol he won't need to worry about estrogen conversion...at least not from that. Assuming it is actually tbol, and not dbol.

What he said. I should note that he told me the balls is the best place to apply it but wRned me not to because it would burn. I put a small amount on the sack anyway and I had no pain. I'm also taking the grapefruit extract that comes with it as well as drinking fresh grapefruit juice when I apply. So far I've used feet and balls and biceps as application areas. I'm also trying to drink a pwo at the same time to optimize capillary blood flow.


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[outlaw]

Yea right dude, they were way bigger than you. Dream on. And I wish I was, I wouldn't have to had to pay for this. But AM is good ppl.. Thanks to evo for the hook up.

well I see from looking back on your posts that you are a big fan of paja and analogman, so I won't pay much attention to you anymore. You probably are analogman. You are sounding a bit like him. I figured he would leave well enough alone considering...

 

[ceo]

Yea right dude, they were way bigger than you. Dream on. And I wish I was, I wouldn't have to had to pay for this. But AM is good ppl.. Thanks to evo for the hook up.

how big am I? You know for certain so please tell everyone here.

Yeah, good people. Lying, working with a scammer, selling overpriced vitamins, AAS was probably overpriced too, copy/pasting other people's writings and taking credit for it as his own, threatening people. Great guy. He all but admitted to me to working with paja to scam evo members out of about $50k. Good ppl alright.

 

[Casca]

OUTLAW

Get that shit out of here. Fuckin bait and switch. This a Venom/Gator thread. At least respect that and take that to an "I miss am and paja thread". instead of hijacking this 1.

 

[ceo]

OUTLAW

Get that shit out of here. Fuckin bait and switch. This a Venom/Gator thread. At least respect that and take that to an "I miss am and paja thread". instead of hijacking this 1.

pretty sure that is analogman. That even looks like a pic he would post or even has posted.

That and the stuff he's saying like, I'm ignorant and small, he's way bigger than me, my crew, blah, blah, blah.

If it is him he should know better.

 

[outlaw]

I won't believe you dude if you said in was Saturday. I was on here the whole time that went down.. My beef go's way back to EF with you. I think I said that in a post. I'm glad they finally ban you on EF. Hopeeeee they see the light here. You really believe yourself ??? 50 k? And let me guess.. 45 of it was your bad self. 50 k......How long would that take your DS at 300 min? Your a dreamer, that's for sure. Everyone that don't like you guy, you always say it's paja/analogman. Didn't you say that about the last guy that didn't look up to your sorry ass. I have my option of you.. Is that ok. Don't like you. My right isn't it? And you may as well insult me too. I'm a black brother, maybe the only one on here, or that will admit it, another bro spoke up once, look back, you'll notice who. So go ahead and put that out. You did on EF. Lov the racial Av. Why isn't that the same one on your other forums??My stuff was pretty good price. Always have been..50 k.. Think about that guy!!!! You awake??

how big am I? You know for certain so please tell everyone here.

Yeah, good people. Lying, working with a scammer, selling overpriced vitamins, AAS was probably overpriced too, copy/pasting other people's writings and taking credit for it as his own, threatening people. Great guy. He all but admitted to me to working with paja to scam evo members out of about $50k. Good ppl alright.

 

[ceo]

I won't believe you dude if you said in was Saturday. I was on here the whole time that went down.. My beef go's way back to EF with you. I think I said that in a post. I'm glad they finally ban you on EF. Hopeeeee they see the light here. You really believe yourself ??? 50 k? And let me guess.. 45 of it was your bad self. 50 k......How long would that take your DS at 300 min? Your a dreamer, that's for sure. Everyone that don't like you guy, you always say it's paja/analogman. Didn't you say that about the last guy that didn't look up to your sorry ass. I have my option of you.. Is that ok. Don't like you. My right isn't it? And you may as well insult me too. I'm a black brother, maybe the only one on here, or that will admit it, another bro spoke up once, look back, you'll notice who. So go ahead and put that out. You did on EF. Lov the racial Av. Why isn't that the same one on your other forums??My stuff was pretty good price. Always have been..50 k.. Think about that guy!!!! You awake??

I didn't have many beefs with too many people at EF. Yeah, the ban on EF has been coming for a long time because I won't be bought or bullied if I don't think something is right. Surprised it didn't happen years ago.

No, 45k wasn't from me. I never bought anything from those two scammers. How long would it take to get to 50k at 300/order? Well, lets do some quick math...50,000/300=166.67. What's next? A spelling contest?

Not everyone who doesn't like me gets called paja or analog, just when someone comes along posting similarly and saying some of the same things.

So you are trying to bait me into insulting you? Nah, you don't even have the guts to say who you are. And I wouldn't be quick to believe it if you did.
You have all the answers and know all about me, so don't make us guess, just tell us who spoke up, what I did, how big I am, what our beef is, and everything else.

I'm awake, but I'm going out for a bit. That should give you time to say anything you want and expose me. Go!

 

[mjd]

Yeah I agree bro.. Most these guys here will tell u anything just to make a buck

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I think you'll find ef and evo are run by the same people...So yes the shadiness is here also lol

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Fucking lol at these posts. Just been reading through this thread & the bullshit being spouted is truly unbelievable. PM's from months ago unanswered from ben_443, email address given so he could reply via that medium & he comes back to this forum looking to scam more victims. Your a scamming piece of shit ben_443 & if this lab is associated with a scammer like this little cunt then be warned. Gave you the chance to sort this privately yesterday when your slimy little head popped out of its rodents nest but have not heard a word surprise surprise. Trust this lot at your own peril imho.

 

[m88tow]

You are ignorant dude.. Where is Flip,M88tow and your back up little boys.. You're silly crew that adores you.. My 2 cent..

I see I got my first fan on Evo, glad you follow me around outlaw.


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[JackSteel]

OUTLAW

Get that shit out of here. Fuckin bait and switch. This a Venom/Gator thread. At least respect that and take that to an "I miss am and paja thread". instead of hijacking this 1.

Well said


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[JackSteel]

If this guy is so slimy why is he not banned yet?


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