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http://www.evolutionary.org/the-reason-steroids-work-so-well/
http://www.evolutionary.org/the-reason-steroids-work-so-well/
Attach to the AR's in the body and change gene expression in favor of fat loss and muscle building is the short answer, lol
What most people don't realize is that fat cells have AR's also which, when latched onto, basically stops intake of new fat and causes the release of stored fat.
Testosterone's greatest ability may not lie in increased muscle, but significant decreases in bodyfat, specifically around the midsection
What most people don't realize is that fat cells have AR's also which, when latched onto, basically stops intake of new fat and causes the release of stored fat.
Testosterone's greatest ability may not lie in increased muscle, but significant decreases in bodyfat, specifically around the midsection
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steroids help you recover faster and block muscle wasting so your workouts accomplish more than the dude next to you who isn't using them, that is the #1 reason they work so well.
but if you don't know how to workout then they aren't gonna build you any muscle
but if you don't know how to workout then they aren't gonna build you any muscle
brapbrap07
Buff Brother
I totally saw the fat loss on cycle. Especially forwards the end when I did two weeks of winny it really showed the
hard work put in.
hard work put in.
GREAT POINT!!! But wait.....everyone keeps saying that steroids dont burn fat.
^^^ I do not believe steroids burn fat at all.
I think when you take a cutting compound it depletes the water in the fat cells and shrinks them. but this doesn't mean its burning the fat.. because when you stop taking it then the cells fill right back up.
you can have the same effect taking a water pill or Lasix. but its short lived and you can really risk major de-hydration doing that.
the only thing I can definitely say burns fat for me is cardio.. when I used to run 35+ miles a week I was at 6% body fat... also a catabolic diet full of fruits, veggies and lots of water will cause cell shrinkage, but you have to stick to that diet long term.. can't just do it a week and go back to eating Sonny's BBQ and KFC.
lets remember anabolic steroids are ANABOLIC, they aren't catabolic at all
I think when you take a cutting compound it depletes the water in the fat cells and shrinks them. but this doesn't mean its burning the fat.. because when you stop taking it then the cells fill right back up.
you can have the same effect taking a water pill or Lasix. but its short lived and you can really risk major de-hydration doing that.
the only thing I can definitely say burns fat for me is cardio.. when I used to run 35+ miles a week I was at 6% body fat... also a catabolic diet full of fruits, veggies and lots of water will cause cell shrinkage, but you have to stick to that diet long term.. can't just do it a week and go back to eating Sonny's BBQ and KFC.
lets remember anabolic steroids are ANABOLIC, they aren't catabolic at all
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
Hey, I'm wanting some Sonny's BBQ right about now! Lol!
Anyhow, I've yet to find an anabolic, androgenic steroid that produces fat loss. Yes, removing intracellular water is what some good "cutters" help do. Winstrol, in particular. Like MasterCard, I never take the stage without it.
krazieone56
New Member
Steroids don't burn fat. It tricks your body into thinking that you are a young man and so you do drop a certain amount of body fat.
However , most fat loss comes from the fact that you can workout longer and harder which burns more calories hence additional fat loss.
KRAZIEONE
However , most fat loss comes from the fact that you can workout longer and harder which burns more calories hence additional fat loss.
KRAZIEONE
No, when you go off cycle the fat cells can now store fat again since the gene expression changes that were induced by testosterone(or other some other steroids) causing fat cells to not be able to store fat and to actively release its contents is changed back to normal.
Testosterone is a "wet" compound without AIs so I don't see how it could be from water being released. Not to mention studies too numerous to mention using a variety of different methodologies all conclude the same thing. In addition, there is a high natural correlation between males with the highest T:E ratios also having the lowest amount of abdominal fat, and this is for those men not on AAS.
Testosterone is a "wet" compound without AIs so I don't see how it could be from water being released. Not to mention studies too numerous to mention using a variety of different methodologies all conclude the same thing. In addition, there is a high natural correlation between males with the highest T:E ratios also having the lowest amount of abdominal fat, and this is for those men not on AAS.
http://www.muscleforlife.com/how-testosterone-levels-affect-muscle-growth-and-fat-loss/
Pretty good article with various studies included.
Another study talking about gene expression changes and downregulation of adipocytes(fat cells) with Testosterone
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16210377
Another journal article that talks about how researchers have found ARs play a critical role in preventing fat accumulation:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120920135611.htm
And
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120920135603.htm
Pretty good article with various studies included.
Another study talking about gene expression changes and downregulation of adipocytes(fat cells) with Testosterone
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16210377
Another journal article that talks about how researchers have found ARs play a critical role in preventing fat accumulation:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120920135611.htm
And
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120920135603.htm
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I would be careful to trust studies over years of personal experience
I would say the problem with that study is characterizing someone who is fat as having low T, when in fact in 99% of cases they have low T because of they are fat in the first place. so if they got into better shape and their T levels went up then they would lose fat.
I would say the problem with that study is characterizing someone who is fat as having low T, when in fact in 99% of cases they have low T because of they are fat in the first place. so if they got into better shape and their T levels went up then they would lose fat.
It's really a chicken and egg debate. For myself, I got into really good shape but still have natural levels around 300, which no doubt contributed to the weight gain, in addition to a crap diet.
So while you do have a point to a degree, at lower levels you will only get lean to a point and then basically be stuck there.
And this study shows what I knew had to exist, but didn't find until reading this---a link between fat cells, androgens and insulin, specifically that androgens prevent uptake of glucose in fat cells by making them insensitive to insulin:
http://www.ergo-log.com/androfat.html
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yea but the study says the men got their T levels into range and lost fat.
so if you have low T levels then absolutely I agree that can affect your fat loss assuming you are in good shape.
you have generally 2 types of posters though on fitness boards
1. the dude in the basement of grandma's house who orders pizza every night and plays video games and is fat who wants to juice when they don't even lift or just got into it. will juicing help them? nope it won't
2. the experienced guys who juice to get swole and strong .. will increased T help us lose fat? nope. its gonna come down to use re-comping or going into contest prep where we can squeeze out that extra 1 or 2%..
remember if you gain weight on a cycle a % of that is going to be fat. you can't think that every pound you put on is pure muscle, just not realistic. your body fat % can actually drop on a cycle even when you gain fat. people don't get that concept
if you naturally have relatively high T levels, then yes this might not make a huge difference, but for me who has T levels around 300, its going to make a huge difference I suspect. I mean, simply being at 600 would cause me to have 36% less BF versus being at 300 based on the one study
I'm the 3rd option where I've busted my ass for 3 years and gotten into what most people call "great shape" and am built pretty well, but no matter what I do I cannot get rid of some bodyfat, especially around my midsection area.
Am I in great shape? For most 39 year olds, yes. For the amount of work and dedication I put in it should be much greater than that tho, and that's what I am after...
Not to mention that T causes the immune system to take a "chill pill" which should greatly reduce psoriasis(have read several logs where its completely disappeared in a month and talk to a friend that had it and said his disappeared as well)---in fact studies have shown low T levels are highly correlated with inflammation and autoimmune disorders, which can cause significant inflammation induced insulin resistence in cells which then causes a double whammy effect...
I keep trying to tell people the body is very complex and all its systems interact with each other...too many think if you do something to effect one system in the body it won't have an effect on other systems and its just not true. It will have an effect many times in completely seemingly unrelated ways to other systems...
I'm the 3rd option where I've busted my ass for 3 years and gotten into what most people call "great shape" and am built pretty well, but no matter what I do I cannot get rid of some bodyfat, especially around my midsection area.
Am I in great shape? For most 39 year olds, yes. For the amount of work and dedication I put in it should be much greater than that tho, and that's what I am after...
Not to mention that T causes the immune system to take a "chill pill" which should greatly reduce psoriasis(have read several logs where its completely disappeared in a month and talk to a friend that had it and said his disappeared as well)---in fact studies have shown low T levels are highly correlated with inflammation and autoimmune disorders, which can cause significant inflammation induced insulin resistence in cells which then causes a double whammy effect...
I keep trying to tell people the body is very complex and all its systems interact with each other...too many think if you do something to effect one system in the body it won't have an effect on other systems and its just not true. It will have an effect many times in completely seemingly unrelated ways to other systems...
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Yes, I am seriously considering it, just squeamish with the whole giving blood thing...I know, I know, man up, right, lol...
Atrox
Growing Brother
There was a thread here in the forums about how a study group lost 5-8% bodyfat at low doses of test over a group that had no test, without any changes in diet or habits. Not a significant amount, but still suggestive of the ability to get rid of fat, isn't it?
Jesus 800 replies showed up while I typed. Disregard.
Jesus 800 replies showed up while I typed. Disregard.
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I can only tell you what I've experienced bro. I really cannot comment on 'studies' .. we both know studies mean shit when it comes to fitness. if they were iron clad there wouldn't be a million books, personal trainers, supplements, training strategies, diet fads, etc etc. the bottom line is there isn't a way to know what will happen to you until you EXPERIENCE it yourself.
brapbrap07
Buff Brother
I havent gained any water weight back after I ran that winny for 2 weeks. Its been a week into pct and
I'd say since my test e was shit and I doubled the dosage 4weeks in I gained around 5-8 lbs of muscle and lost
ten lbs of weight. 10 week cycle so I can start a better one sooner. However I do see the crazier workouts being
a big factor.
I'd say since my test e was shit and I doubled the dosage 4weeks in I gained around 5-8 lbs of muscle and lost
ten lbs of weight. 10 week cycle so I can start a better one sooner. However I do see the crazier workouts being
a big factor.
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