Cycle advice

[TheChad]

First off I am newbie and wanted to say Hello!

I'm looking for advice on if what I'm looking to run is a good idea or not. I don't have any experience with cycles however I have been on test for a long period of time. I was prescribed test from a mens clinic for 1 1/2 years, Iv'e been off now for 6 or 7 months. I'm thinking of running a 10 week cycle of the following.

sustanon 250-250mgs every 4 days
deca-200mgs every 4 days
tren e-100mgs every 4 days

For PCT I have some HCG and anastrozole stocked up. I would appreciate any advise on PCT as well, When I was receiving HRT I took HCG and anastrozole every week. From some of my reading it sounds like when doing a cycle I should wait until the end of the 10 weeks to add PCT?

How long do I need to wait to cycle again?

Thanks in advance for any advise!

 

[goldprospecto]

The only advice I feel comfortable giving right now is; I advise you to read more.

Stats?

HRT for 1 1.2 years? Then stopping?

 

[muskate]

Running 2 nandrolones (deca and tren) in the same cycle isn't a smart idea to me. It's asking for prolactin related side effects. I would drop the tren and just use deca and sustanon.

Both deca and test are known to cause a lot of water retention. Especially if you aren't using the proper support supplements with your cycle.

Remember to include the proper support supplements with your cycle:
1. An AI to keep estrogen in the low-normal range. Aromasin at 10mg EOD is a good dosage.
2. An anti-prolactin drug to keep prolactin in the low-normal range. Cabergoline at 0.25mg EOD is a good dosage.

The support supplements are very important because high estrogen and prolactin levels can lead to side effects like gyno and water retention.

Your PCT also needs a MAJOR overhaul. Watch this video I put out on how to run a proper PCT protocol and why it's important -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/video-how-run-proper-pct-46615.html

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 10
sustanon 250-250mgs every 4 days
deca-200mgs every 4 days
aromasin 12.5mg every other day
cabergoline 0.25mg every other day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[stevesmi]

this is a total mess

if you are newbie you shouldn't be using tren at all. it is for very advanced guys and even then I am very careful about when and how I use it

also hcg for pct? not smart at all.

i would recommend stopping everything and READING for the next few months about these compounds and how to use them. just google the name of the compound + evolutionary.org and read read read. also hang out here and ask questions. you will save yourself a lot of headaches

 

[TheChad]

The only advice I feel comfortable giving right now is; I advise you to read more.

Stats?

HRT for 1 1.2 years? Then stopping?

I understand I need to read up more and educate myself!
Stats 5'6'' 160lbs currently, but for stage ready I drop down to 145lbs at 3% BF.
I stopped HRT do to the increasing cost that insurance would not cover and I didn't see any real benefit from it other then being rock hard every morning. lol which was nice!

 

[TheChad]

Ok thanks for the info! I for sure will do some more reading, I was originally thinking just test and deca. I'm finding their are a lot of people out there doing stacks and not having any clue what they are doing. I don't want to be that guy! I'm very appreciative to be part of this community.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Let's not worry about the cycle at all at this point. We need to get this TRT thing figured out. Why have you stopped it if it was doctor prescribed? Did/do you have low testosterone?

 

[TheChad]

I didn't really have low test, it was around 500 total but the free test was low. So yes and no, I didn't have any low test symptoms to speak of at the time. I just wanted to get the added benefit from it and be monitored. I found if you go to the right place where they specialize in it, it is not hard to get prescribed if your above 30 years old.

I stopped because the increasing cost and didn't feel it helped me that much (other then being rock hard every morning). LOL

 

[TheChad]

this is a total mess

if you are newbie you shouldn't be using tren at all. it is for very advanced guys and even then I am very careful about when and how I use it

also hcg for pct? not smart at all.

i would recommend stopping everything and READING for the next few months about these compounds and how to use them. just google the name of the compound + evolutionary.org and read read read. also hang out here and ask questions. you will save yourself a lot of headaches

Thank you for your advise I appreciate it.

 

[TheChad]

Hey brothers what's a good body fat % to be at when starting cycle?

For AI I don't see anyone suggesting anastozle. Why is that? The reason I ask is because I have 150 (1 mg) tabs on hand that I would like to use up.


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[stevesmi]

Hey brothers what's a good body fat % to be at when starting cycle?

For AI I don't see anyone suggesting anastozle. Why is that? The reason I ask is because I have 150 (1 mg) tabs on hand that I would like to use up.


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you don't want to be a high % body fat when using steroids because you want to leave yourself room to grow. I would say it depends on age and goals. if you are only worried about strength vs. someone who wants to actually be cut. you shouldn't expect steroids to help you burn fat and you shouldn't hop on gear to starve yourself, that defeats half their purpose right there. I'm not going to put a number on it but obviously if someone was 20% body fat i would tell them that was too high for a guy

as far as AI. aromasin is the best cause its a suicide AI and boosts IGF-1

 

[TheChad]

you don't want to be a high % body fat when using steroids because you want to leave yourself room to grow. I would say it depends on age and goals. if you are only worried about strength vs. someone who wants to actually be cut. you shouldn't expect steroids to help you burn fat and you shouldn't hop on gear to starve yourself, that defeats half their purpose right there. I'm not going to put a number on it but obviously if someone was 20% body fat i would tell them that was too high for a guy

as far as AI. aromasin is the best cause its a suicide AI and boosts IGF-1

Age 37
I like to be at or below 10%. I'm probably 15% now, maybe a little higher but not more then 20%. I guess what I'm really wanting to know is if it is advisable to run gear while in a calorie deficit?? Would it be best to diet till I'm 10% or lower and then run a cycle when I'm at maintenance calories?

Will I be able to get away with higher maintenance calories while on a cycle compared to normal. I'm 5'6'' and with 1.5 hrs a day workouts usually 6 or 7 days a week, I can only get away with 2400 calories a day if I'm lucky without gain fat. That's eating clean too!


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[muskate]

Age 37
I like to be at or below 10%. I'm probably 15% now, maybe a little higher but not more then 20%. I guess what I'm really wanting to know is if it is advisable to run gear while in a calorie deficit?? Would it be best to diet till I'm 10% or lower and then run a cycle when I'm at maintenance calories?

Will I be able to get away with higher maintenance calories while on a cycle compared to normal. I'm 5'6'' and with 1.5 hrs a day workouts usually 6 or 7 days a week, I can only get away with 2400 calories a day if I'm lucky without gain fat. That's eating clean too!


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Running gear in a calorie deficit will prevent you from loosing muscle mass while on a low calorie diet. Steroids like anavar were originally developed to prevent muscle loss in people with muscle wasting diseases like HIV and cancer.

You will not be able to get away with higher maintenance calories when on a cycle vs normal. Steroids are not fat burners. They increase muscle protein synthesis and prevent muscle catabolism. They do not increase fat loss.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I would recommend being around 12% body fat for a cycle. If you are higher and running a cutting cycle the gear will help preserve muscle while eating in a caloric deficit. It isn't a bad thing to do that but you will notice a lot more when you are trying to recomp or gain mass.

 

[Jay Scott]

Hey brothers what's a good body fat % to be at when starting cycle?

For AI I don't see anyone suggesting anastozle. Why is that? The reason I ask is because I have 150 (1 mg) tabs on hand that I would like to use up.


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Anastrozole (arimidex) is also fine. People suggest aromasin because it is simply better due to it being suicide AI and also being cholesterol friendly compared to arimidex.

But you can still use it. It works, just not as good as aromasin.

 

[oluboi]

well said brother

 

[TheChad]

Thank you for answering my questions! I really appreciate you guys taking your time to school a newbie!! [emoji95][emoji123][emoji95]


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[Jay Scott]

Thank you for answering my questions! I really appreciate you guys taking your time to school a newbie!! [emoji95][emoji123][emoji95]


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Your welcome, bro