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Weight not dropping on cutting cycle, looking for advice.

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i'm 20 days into my cycle and my weight is staying the same

i'm running 400mgs of test e, 60mgs of tbol and for the last 7 days started 50mcg's of t3 a day

my diet has been extremely strict I've been in the range of 1800-2200 calories every day average day would like something like

breakfast - 400g 0% fat greek yogurt + 45g nuts + muesli = around 500-600 calories

snack - banana before gym , handful of strawberry's after -= 150 ish calories

lunch - 5 eggs

- tin of sardines of wholemeal bread = comes to around 700 calories


dinner- 500g chicken breast , cucumber , broccoli , tiny bit of sauce - about 650 calories

comes to around 220g protein 120g carbs 50g fat, sometimes have more of some than the other

my stats are - 6'3 , 200 pounds - if i had to guess body fat % id say around 12%

I'm wondering why my weight has stayed the same while being on that amount of calories and also for the last week running t3?

i train 90 minutes of weights and 40 minutes of cardio 6 time a week but am pretty inactive apart from that, iv'e done previous cuts but never on cycle and never had trouble dropping the weight like this so wondering if it could be because im recomping? im getting to the stage where i cant drop my calories any lower now so im concered im wasting my time cutting on cycle if the weights not coming
 
i'm 20 days into my cycle and my weight is staying the same

i'm running 400mgs of test e, 60mgs of tbol and for the last 7 days started 50mcg's of t3 a day

my diet has been extremely strict I've been in the range of 1800-2200 calories every day average day would like something like

breakfast - 400g 0% fat greek yogurt + 45g nuts + muesli = around 500-600 calories

snack - banana before gym , handful of strawberry's after -= 150 ish calories

lunch - 5 eggs

- tin of sardines of wholemeal bread = comes to around 700 calories


dinner- 500g chicken breast , cucumber , broccoli , tiny bit of sauce - about 650 calories

comes to around 220g protein 120g carbs 50g fat, sometimes have more of some than the other

my stats are - 6'3 , 200 pounds - if i had to guess body fat % id say around 12%

I'm wondering why my weight has stayed the same while being on that amount of calories and also for the last week running t3?

i train 90 minutes of weights and 40 minutes of cardio 6 time a week but am pretty inactive apart from that, iv'e done previous cuts but never on cycle and never had trouble dropping the weight like this so wondering if it could be because im recomping? im getting to the stage where i cant drop my calories any lower now so im concered im wasting my time cutting on cycle if the weights not coming[/QUOTE

You're simply not in a calorie deficit. I will suggest that you lose the yogurt, bread and sardines. Too, are you consuming skinless chicken breast, and in which way are you preparing it?
 
I’d like to know if you ran labs prior to this or labs well on this gear, also why did you add t3?

Do you look different? Keep in mind it’s possible to decrease BF well LBM goes up, so you may look different but weight doesn’t change. This would be called recomp.
 
skinless, fried with no oil. i'm already below 2000 calories most days and never above 2200 how low should i drop? i find it hard to believe my maintenance calories can be that low

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its the first time i've ran this lab but its one that has very high acclaim over the the UK forums ( not sure if we can discuss sources on here so wont say yet ) was recommended t3 and added it in the second week after weight wasn't dropping its pharma grade. I was thinking recomp was a possibility but didn't think id be building any muscle on that low an amount of calories, i feel more defined but its hard to say if thats just due to an increased pump
 
You're simply not in a calorie deficit. I will suggest that you lose the yogurt, bread and sardines. Too, are you consuming skinless chicken breast, and in which way are you preparing it?[/QUOTE

just to add on to the part about not being in a calorie deficit, i've had a couple people tell me that eating 1800-2000 calories is to low and has probably crashed my metabolism and thats why. how much further would you advise dropping em?
 
You're simply not in a calorie deficit. I will suggest that you lose the yogurt, bread and sardines. Too, are you consuming skinless chicken breast, and in which way are you preparing it?[/QUOTE

just to add on to the part about not being in a calorie deficit, i've had a couple people tell me that eating 1800-2000 calories is to low and has probably crashed my metabolism and thats why. how much further would you advise dropping em?

At 6’3” 200 1800 cals is low. Maybe you are miscalculating your intake
 
I gain lbm well on turinabol, it is possible you are just recomping. Do you have a way to track your bf? With those cal you should be dropping fat. My only suggestion would be to try intermittent fasting. Might boost your fat burning. And I wouldn't mess with t3 personally you run the risk of lowering natural thyroid function from what I have read. It's like insulin in that it does work, but the risks outweigh the benefits. Unless you're a pro, I would drop the t3. Just my opinion.

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I gain lbm well on turinabol, it is possible you are just recomping. Do you have a way to track your bf? With those cal you should be dropping fat. My only suggestion would be to try intermittent fasting. Might boost your fat burning. And I wouldn't mess with t3 personally you run the risk of lowering natural thyroid function from what I have read. It's like insulin in that it does work, but the risks outweigh the benefits. Unless you're a pro, I would drop the t3. Just my opinion.

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don't have anyway to track it really except the mirror. my Gym has one of those dexa scans thats like a scale with a thing that goes over your head but im not sure if it actually is a dexa scan and how accurate it is or if it even works never seen anyone use it. I considered the fact i could be recomping im on 200+grams of protein but i thought it not very likely id gain any muscle on 2k calories? could it be im holding more water maybe?

funny thing with the t3 is based on weight alone its not working for me so far, the week since i started taking it ive actually gained 2 pounds, i read up on it and what i read suggests it doesn't cause any throid shutdown and you bounce back within a week of stopping use.
 
I should add that thyroid production usually returns to normal. And it does have its place if your thyroid levels are low to begin with. It's just a risk I would rather not take personally. There are foods that boost and lower natural production.
I gain lbm well on turinabol, it is possible you are just recomping. Do you have a way to track your bf? With those cal you should be dropping fat. My only suggestion would be to try intermittent fasting. Might boost your fat burning. And I wouldn't mess with t3 personally you run the risk of lowering natural thyroid function from what I have read. It's like insulin in that it does work, but the risks outweigh the benefits. Unless you're a pro, I would drop the t3. Just my opinion.

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It could be water weight. I have a bathroom scale that measures it. Its not accurate exactly but it is consistent so I can track if it goes up or down.
don't have anyway to track it really except the mirror. my Gym has one of those dexa scans thats like a scale with a thing that goes over your head but im not sure if it actually is a dexa scan and how accurate it is or if it even works never seen anyone use it. I considered the fact i could be recomping im on 200+grams of protein but i thought it not very likely id gain any muscle on 2k calories? could it be im holding more water maybe?

funny thing with the t3 is based on weight alone its not working for me so far, the week since i started taking it ive actually gained 2 pounds, i read up on it and what i read suggests it doesn't cause any throid shutdown and you bounce back within a week of stopping use.

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At 6’3” 200 1800 cals is low. Maybe you are miscalculating your intake

everything i eat is either an entire packet of something like the chicken / yohgurt / sardines or a single serving like a slice of bread, i dont add anything like oil or butter to the food i cook so the only thing that could be throwing it of is the muesli which i measured a pack has 14 1/3's of a cup with the back saying it has 12 servings at 210 calories each so i have 1/3 of a cup and then a tiny bit more so the most i could be getting my daily amount wrong is like 200 at a stretch , so i'd never be going above 2000 a day

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It could be water weight. I have a bathroom scale that measures it. Its not accurate exactly but it is consistent so I can track if it goes up or down.

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didn't know you could get those, sounds pricey tho?, the next week ill try weighing myself every day at this point 2 weeks i shouldn't be gaining any more water weight should i? any suggestions on how to weight myself to get a accurate reading?

with the t3 i started taking it as a couple people told me i may have crashed my metabolism by staying at 2k ish calories for a few weeks so i thought it might fix that problem
 
It wasn't bad I have had two. The cheap weight watchers one from walmart worked the same as the last fancy one I bought for twice thr cash ironically

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It wasn't bad I have had two. The cheap weight watchers one from walmart worked the same as the last fancy one I bought for twice thr cash ironically

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yeah just found a weight watchers one on amazon for only 14 quid, do you have any idea how they work in regards to the bf% and water weight? does the water reading change during the day if you down a few litres? wondering how it can give you reliable readings in regards to those at such a cheap price
 
It is actually pretty consistent I only weigh first thing in the morning. I have a fairly routine lifestyle but if I don't drink enough water like 10 cups a day at least for me, I retain it for sure. Lately I have been lacking somewhat drinking enough water, takes me a bit to adjust to drinking water in coldr temperature. My body water went from 59% to 63% over the last couple weeks so I would say its accurate enough. I know I'm full of water because the lines in my shoulders have become less noticeable
yeah just found a weight watchers one on amazon for only 14 quid, do you have any idea how they work in regards to the bf% and water weight? does the water reading change during the day if you down a few litres? wondering how it can give you reliable readings in regards to those at such a cheap price

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I’d like to know if you ran labs prior to this or labs well on this gear, also why did you add t3?

Do you look different? Keep in mind it’s possible to decrease BF well LBM goes up, so you may look different but weight doesn’t change. This would be called recomp.
nothing to add...
 
nothing to add...

iv'e run 3 bulking cycles previously and saw good results on all 3, first time trying the lab im on but its highly regarded on UK based forums so very unlikely to be bunk , i feel more defined up top but hard to tell whether thats just because of pump , hard to judge based on core as my skins not the tightest as i was overweight as a teenager
 
iv'e run 3 bulking cycles previously and saw good results on all 3, first time trying the lab im on but its highly regarded on UK based forums so very unlikely to be bunk , i feel more defined up top but hard to tell whether thats just because of pump , hard to judge based on core as my skins not the tightest as i was overweight as a teenager

Let me just try to gain some clarity here.. you were overweight as a teenager correct? I'm sure that bothered you, enough to the point that the scale became a mind-fuck for you, is this correct?

from the sounds of it you have lost a considerable amount of weight and I've made a good transformation especially for the better way of life by living the lifestyle that you are. I congratulate you for that..

But it sounds like you still haven't learned especially considering where you came from.. what I'm applying is that you still haven't learned that the scale and watching the numbers is your biggest mind-fuck ..

Stay off the scale and don't worry about the numbers.. let the mirror do all the talking..

I also just want to put this out there, I know some 180'pounders that look like a solid 210 beast... Numbers don't mean much man.. and this way of life I have been blown away by numbers from all aspects of the spectrum..

It sounds like you're making progress but you're putting too much thought into it.. keep doing what you're doing, everything will follow through..

BTW, ditch the T3 you don't need it unless your blood work indicates that you do other than that it's utterly useless and it will set you back if anything..
 
Excellent post.
Let me just try to gain some clarity here.. you were overweight as a teenager correct? I'm sure that bothered you, enough to the point that the scale became a mind-fuck for you, is this correct?

from the sounds of it you have lost a considerable amount of weight and I've made a good transformation especially for the better way of life by living the lifestyle that you are. I congratulate you for that..

But it sounds like you still haven't learned especially considering where you came from.. what I'm applying is that you still haven't learned that the scale and watching the numbers is your biggest mind-fuck ..

Stay off the scale and don't worry about the numbers.. let the mirror do all the talking..

I also just want to put this out there, I know some 180'pounders that look like a solid 210 beast... Numbers don't mean much man.. and this way of life I have been blown away by numbers from all aspects of the spectrum..

It sounds like you're making progress but you're putting too much thought into it.. keep doing what you're doing, everything will follow through..

BTW, ditch the T3 you don't need it unless your blood work indicates that you do other than that it's utterly useless and it will set you back if anything..

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Let me just try to gain some clarity here.. you were overweight as a teenager correct? I'm sure that bothered you, enough to the point that the scale became a mind-fuck for you, is this correct?

from the sounds of it you have lost a considerable amount of weight and I've made a good transformation especially for the better way of life by living the lifestyle that you are. I congratulate you for that..

But it sounds like you still haven't learned especially considering where you came from.. what I'm applying is that you still haven't learned that the scale and watching the numbers is your biggest mind-fuck ..

Stay off the scale and don't worry about the numbers.. let the mirror do all the talking..

I also just want to put this out there, I know some 180'pounders that look like a solid 210 beast... Numbers don't mean much man.. and this way of life I have been blown away by numbers from all aspects of the spectrum..

It sounds like you're making progress but you're putting too much thought into it.. keep doing what you're doing, everything will follow through..

BTW, ditch the T3 you don't need it unless your blood work indicates that you do other than that it's utterly useless and it will set you back if anything..

Exactly.

Dump t3 unless labs justify it, it can cause more harm then good other wise.

It’s also a little early to be worrying, I’m big with vision on the scale thing.

Give it some more time and worry less, stay consistent with the training and diet and you’ll see progress.

If you don’t see any changes in a few more weeks then you should take a deeper look at your training and diet, as well as running blood work to truly identify your gear is good to go.

Numbers really don’t mean a lot, in the past 4 weeks I’m only down a half pound on cycle, yet I look like I lost 10-15 easily.
 
Exactly.

Dump t3 unless labs justify it, it can cause more harm then good other wise.

It’s also a little early to be worrying, I’m big with vision on the scale thing.

Give it some more time and worry less, stay consistent with the training and diet and you’ll see progress.

If you don’t see any changes in a few more weeks then you should take a deeper look at your training and diet, as well as running blood work to truly identify your gear is good to go.

Numbers really don’t mean a lot, in the past 4 weeks I’m only down a half pound on cycle, yet I look like I lost 10-15 easily.

Spot on as usual..

I respond the same way, sometimes the scale won't budge too much in either direction but the mere fact of muscle density with having that 3D appearance goes a long way.. muscle density and volume is something that a lot of people truly don't grasp, they calculate numbers too much..

I will take a solid 5-8 lbs gain any day of the week over a fast 18-20lbs..

Once people know where their sensitivities are and how to gauge their macros, simply adjusting the numbers in either direction can look drastic..

There so many curves and adjustments that can be made that can make or break things..

Fuck the numbers on the scale and on the plates, they don't mean shit.. how I feel, how I respond and how I look is all that matters!

some weeks I'm curling 5 lb under what I was the week prior, sometimes I'm up, all that matters is where I am mentally.. even when I'm under it doesn't necessarily mean I'm having a bad week it just means I don't have it but mentally I could be dominating shit, simply smashing demons left and right..

To the OP.. keep us updated and don't stress too much.. you got plenty of time..
 
Let me just try to gain some clarity here.. you were overweight as a teenager correct? I'm sure that bothered you, enough to the point that the scale became a mind-fuck for you, is this correct?

from the sounds of it you have lost a considerable amount of weight and I've made a good transformation especially for the better way of life by living the lifestyle that you are. I congratulate you for that..

But it sounds like you still haven't learned especially considering where you came from.. what I'm applying is that you still haven't learned that the scale and watching the numbers is your biggest mind-fuck ..

Stay off the scale and don't worry about the numbers.. let the mirror do all the talking..

I also just want to put this out there, I know some 180'pounders that look like a solid 210 beast... Numbers don't mean much man.. and this way of life I have been blown away by numbers from all aspects of the spectrum..

It sounds like you're making progress but you're putting too much thought into it.. keep doing what you're doing, everything will follow through..

BTW, ditch the T3 you don't need it unless your blood work indicates that you do other than that it's utterly useless and it will set you back if anything..


appreciate the reply , i get what your saying about over worrying about what the number on the scale says, i do mainly use it to to gauge whether im on the right track rather than setting my goals by it and then going by the mirror (never set actual weight goals). I guess i was more worried that it meant i wasn't loosing on track to lose fat if the number wasn't going down. But i agree that it's not been long enough to judge it yet and plenty of other factors can go into my weight on the day,

i weighed myself a few hours later after eating a meal and drinking water and had lost 2 pounds so it wasn't as bad as i thought was only up 1 in the end. think i overly worried when i saw i'd gone up 3 pounds this week when i first weighed myself. trying to go from 12-13 to 8-9 % BF and because of the "time limit" im on due to cycle length panicked when 2 weeks in i wasn't getting the results i expected

with all that being said , for the next couple weeks ill take your advice and avoid the scale train hard , stick to a strict diet and see how i like in the mirror and reassess then.


On the topic of that is there any critique of the diet i posted ive been following you can give me , and what sort of calories range do you think i should stick to? i tend to try and rush it and drop to low to fast
 
appreciate the reply , i get what your saying about over worrying about what the number on the scale says, i do mainly use it to to gauge whether im on the right track rather than setting my goals by it and then going by the mirror (never set actual weight goals). I guess i was more worried that it meant i wasn't loosing on track to lose fat if the number wasn't going down. But i agree that it's not been long enough to judge it yet and plenty of other factors can go into my weight on the day,

i weighed myself a few hours later after eating a meal and drinking water and had lost 2 pounds so it wasn't as bad as i thought was only up 1 in the end. think i overly worried when i saw i'd gone up 3 pounds this week when i first weighed myself. trying to go from 12-13 to 8-9 % BF and because of the "time limit" im on due to cycle length panicked when 2 weeks in i wasn't getting the results i expected

with all that being said , for the next couple weeks ill take your advice and avoid the scale train hard , stick to a strict diet and see how i like in the mirror and reassess then.


On the topic of that is there any critique of the diet i posted ive been following you can give me , and what sort of calories range do you think i should stick to? i tend to try and rush it and drop to low to fast

The diet isn’t extremely strict but the macros are fair and it should suffice. Biggest thing is for cutting is being in a deficit of course, high protein, and centering your carb intake around break fast and/or pre/post workout.

Given your weight and size you should well be in a deficit.

Like we already mentioned you can add some water weight when starting your cycle, that’s normal.

Leave it alone and keep pushing, the diet should be okay. I would not lower calories any further.
 
appreciate the reply , i get what your saying about over worrying about what the number on the scale says, i do mainly use it to to gauge whether im on the right track rather than setting my goals by it and then going by the mirror (never set actual weight goals). I guess i was more worried that it meant i wasn't loosing on track to lose fat if the number wasn't going down. But i agree that it's not been long enough to judge it yet and plenty of other factors can go into my weight on the day,

i weighed myself a few hours later after eating a meal and drinking water and had lost 2 pounds so it wasn't as bad as i thought was only up 1 in the end. think i overly worried when i saw i'd gone up 3 pounds this week when i first weighed myself. trying to go from 12-13 to 8-9 % BF and because of the "time limit" im on due to cycle length panicked when 2 weeks in i wasn't getting the results i expected

with all that being said , for the next couple weeks ill take your advice and avoid the scale train hard , stick to a strict diet and see how i like in the mirror and reassess then.


On the topic of that is there any critique of the diet i posted ive been following you can give me , and what sort of calories range do you think i should stick to? i tend to try and rush it and drop to low to fast

There is not a single person in this "room" so to speak that has not been in your position at one time or another.. we've all built our foundations and started somewhere, creating something from nothing and learning as we go, failure after failure, but yet returning back for more, completely destroying ourselves in the gym all in the name of self-improvement, at the same time choking down food that we can hardly bear to even look at any longer let alone staying committed and dedicated to it day in and day out..

what you're experiencing is all part of the journey, but you're going to have to take something out of this.. make a mental note, because it's going to serve you at some time or another in the future as a reference point to look back on.. Like your teenage years for an example..

You're not doing anything wrong per say, you're going through everything that you're supposed to in order to correct things..

If you are going to restrict Cal's you cannot do it instantaneous and expect to lose because you will shock your metabolism and in fact it will go into a hibernation phase, basically slowing down your metabolism rate.. what you need to do is incorporate stimulants (not T3) and increase your cardio this way it will induce a state of thermogenesis and keep your metabolism guessing.. you need to do it in intervals, and doing it prolong will again slow down and you'll basically be maintaining..

Try to get more of your Macros through your protein, don't be scared of carbs but time them properly especially pre and post-workout.. this way you can properly fuel your glycogen stores well keeping the muscle belly appearing full, without flattening out.. if you're going to restrict cals do it and small intervals, increase over the weeks at the same time turning up the volume and intensity with your lifts and your cardio... I cannot give you a specific calorie Target to match because everyone responds differently and has a different metabola rate.. if you're at 2400 start subtracting buy a couple hundred every few days or at least once a week.. as much as you think you drink water drink a little bit more and then some.. try to meet your Macros by the latest 7 a small protein snack like apples and peanut buttera small protein snack like apples and peanut butter before bed is fine.. but you want to put yourself in a fasted state.. the moment you wake up I want you to take your BCAAs immediately even before you take a piss.. then have a cup of black coffee with no cream or sugar. Wait 45 minutes before your meal.

I could private message you a meal plan... But I'm not sure what you have available and what you're accustomed to.

But first things first I want you to learn how to adjust things just by subtracting a little bit and learning the response and knowing what to look for.. the best advice I can give you is that a black belt is basically a white belt that never gave up.. therefore you need to learn all of these curves and your sensitivities.. drastic subtractions or additions don't leave much room for anybody to learn anything..

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The diet isn’t extremely strict but the macros are fair and it should suffice. Biggest thing is for cutting is being in a deficit of course, high protein, and centering your carb intake around break fast and/or pre/post workout.

Given your weight and size you should well be in a deficit.

Like we already mentioned you can add some water weight when starting your cycle, that’s normal.

Leave it alone and keep pushing, the diet should be okay. I would not lower calories any further.

This is a good example of why this lifestyle is not a one-size-fits-all.. because I know for myself when I'm in a recomp I still have to add carbs pre and post-workout or I'll flatten out and no time.. sometimes when I cut back on the carbs in tirely to a considerable degree I'll give myself a refeed once a week, and the muscle bellies are restored..
And for myself personally I'm not overly concerned about sodium to a degree.. I notice if I cut sugars and sodium out too much my cognitive thought processes off and my brain is literally not functioning at its full capacity.. now that I'm getting older my metabolism is Shifting once again so it's back to the drawing boards like I'm learning all over. It never ends bro. Right when you have it dialed in surprise surprise..
 
Bro you've only been cutting for 3 weeks lol...give it some time man...its like anything else gotta be patient in this game bruh
 
here is the reality

1. 6 3 and 200 at 12% isn't fat lol.. if anything it is skinny for your height
2. if you have been at the same weight for a long time you can't just eat a cookie cutter diet of 5-6 meals a day and magically change things..
3. steroids are anabolic. you don't take them and lose weight. they are designed to prevent mass lost, not to cause weight loss

if you want to shred up under 10% don't use steroids.. if anything you can use SARMS. and you need to stop counting calories, weight watchers fails for 95% of people for a reason.
 
here is the reality

1. 6 3 and 200 at 12% isn't fat lol.. if anything it is skinny for your height
2. if you have been at the same weight for a long time you can't just eat a cookie cutter diet of 5-6 meals a day and magically change things..
3. steroids are anabolic. you don't take them and lose weight. they are designed to prevent mass lost, not to cause weight loss

if you want to shred up under 10% don't use steroids.. if anything you can use SARMS. and you need to stop counting calories, weight watchers fails for 95% of people for a reason.

So you’re suggesting he suggesting he shouldn’t know his caloric intake ? Curious as to your reasoning.

I do agree that the 6 meal a day diet is played out, however I don’t see how you can dismiss calories if your looking to put yourself in a deficit.
 
So you’re suggesting he suggesting he shouldn’t know his caloric intake ? Curious as to your reasoning.

I do agree that the 6 meal a day diet is played out, however I don’t see how you can dismiss calories if your looking to put yourself in a deficit.

here is my reasoning.. it is very simple

1. if you do a 500 caloric deficit daily you are supposed to lose 1 pound a week.. yeah it will work initially.. but in the intermediate term? fuck no it doesn't work. think about it.. if you are 200 pounds by this theory you could keep a 500 calorie deficit and after 200 weeks you would weigh 0. it doesn't work.. our bodies are like thermostats, it will adjust.. why do you think fat people do calorie deficits, lose a few pounds and then gain it all back? hmmmm... 95% of the time that happens!

2. calories in and out is BULLSHIT. 2 slices of pizza and 2 diet cokes for lunch is about 500 calories. a cup of almonds with a glass of water is also 500 calories.. you telling me that the body will react the same to either? no.. our bodies will have a completely different insulin response and also our digestive system will treat those foods different

we've been taught calories in and out for how long now in this country? they also wanted us to belive in the 80's that fat was bad... i think the whole count your macros thing is a made up crap so diet coaches can sell their copy/paste $500 diet programs.. it is a ruse and does not work. meal timing and frequency IS IMPORTANT. you don't just come up with a target calorie # and eat that # and get anywhere

my strategy to eating? crazy but it works... there is more to it but this is a basic blueprint and it is what we USED to do in the USA during the 50's when people were actually lean and not obese.

light breakfast (only if hungry), big lunch with a protein, moderate dinner ... today it is 8 meals a day because we are told 'it boosts metabolism'... completely untrue.. if you ate 1 meal a day or 9 meals a day your metabolism would be the EXACT SAME.

don't eat before your workouts and eat fat post workout. good fats should be a huge part of your diet. i'm talkin raw nuts, coconut oil, avocado, pastured eggs with yolk, etc. there is more to it but it is on an indivdual basis.. i work with people 1 on 1 via consults on this stuff and can help anyone actually lose weight and feel better. if you want to just do some cookie cutter diet you can go hire jerry ward or dave palumbo and they can copy/paste the same chicken/rice/brocolli diet 7X a day with a protein shake and you can pay $500 to them.
 
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here is my reasoning.. it is very simple

1. if you do a 500 caloric deficit daily you are supposed to lose 1 pound a week.. yeah it will work initially.. but in the intermediate term? fuck no it doesn't work. think about it.. if you are 200 pounds by this theory you could keep a 500 calorie deficit and after 200 weeks you would weigh 0. it doesn't work.. our bodies are like thermostats, it will adjust.. why do you think fat people do calorie deficits, lose a few pounds and then gain it all back? hmmmm... 95% of the time that happens!

2. calories in and out is BULLSHIT. 2 slices of pizza and 2 diet cokes for lunch is about 500 calories. a cup of almonds with a glass of water is also 500 calories.. you telling me that the body will react the same to either? no.. our bodies will have a completely different insulin response and also our digestive system will treat those foods different

we've been taught calories in and out for how long now in this country? they also wanted us to belive in the 80's that fat was bad... i think the whole count your macros thing is a made up crap so diet coaches can sell their copy/paste $500 diet programs.. it is a ruse and does not work. meal timing and frequency IS IMPORTANT. you don't just come up with a target calorie # and eat that # and get anywhere

my strategy to eating? crazy but it works and it is more

light breakfast (only if hungry), big lunch with a protein, moderate dinner

don't eat before your workouts and eat fat post workout. good fats should be a huge part of your diet. i'm talkin raw nuts, coconut oil, avocado, pastured eggs with yolk, etc. there is more to it but it is on an indivdual basis.. i work with people 1 on 1 via consults on this stuff and can help anyone actually lose weight and feel better.

I see where you’re going with this, and I’d hope most people know that 1000 cals or potato chips isn’t the same as 1000 cals of a well balanced meal consisting of a lean meat, fruit or vegetables and a complex carb like baked potato. Maybe some don’t know the difference, I dunno.

Still seems like your plan it would be difficult, if you skipped breakfast you’re only eating 2 meals a day. I would be starving and would not be able to eat enough protein at all I don’t think.

However I don’t follow the typical deficit myself, your idea just seems like awfully hungry days.
 
^^^ you are a smart guy bro

99.9% of us are not pro bodybuilders nor care to be

I'm not recommending a pro bodybuilder do what i posted.. i am telling a normal joe who is trying to become more insulin sensitive and who wants to lean up

the problem in this industry is that it is a RUSE.. these diet gurus think putting a normal joe like the OP on a diet for ronnie coleman will turn them into ronnie coleman.. it doesn't work like that.

eating 2-3 meals a day is how we are supposed to eat.. that is the meditarrean style of eating that humans have followed for thousands of years.
 
Once you stop eating breakfast you get used to it. If I didn't eat enough the night before sometimes I will eat. Everybody's body responds a little different, but I get the best results when trying to slim down or recomp by only eating high quality foods in an 8hr window usually noon till 8pm. The first few days you will be hungry in the morning but I get the best insulin response this way. I find I can work harder all morning too. Either in the gym or carrying steel around at work. I definitely have more push when I am hungry I don't know why but I have to try harder to carry the same weight if I eat breakfast vs waiting till noon. And if you are off cycle intermittent fasting boosts natural testosterone a lot combined with heavy leg workouts. I know the hunger is annoying, if its super bad I eat but for the most part I just think of something else. The mind is half your battle when it comes to anything with your body. If you focus on progressing, pushing forward, don't dwell on missed reps or numbers on the scale. People underestimate our minds. The moment you think you can't your done. Lie to yourself if you have to but always think you can do this. 9 times out of ten you can. How do you think a woman lifted a car off her kid in an accident? Mindpower. If you fail whatever. Don't dwell on it you will get the results you want. If you never give up.


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i'm 20 days into my cycle and my weight is staying the same

i'm running 400mgs of test e, 60mgs of tbol and for the last 7 days started 50mcg's of t3 a day

my diet has been extremely strict I've been in the range of 1800-2200 calories every day average day would like something like

breakfast - 400g 0% fat greek yogurt + 45g nuts + muesli = around 500-600 calories

snack - banana before gym , handful of strawberry's after -= 150 ish calories

lunch - 5 eggs

- tin of sardines of wholemeal bread = comes to around 700 calories


dinner- 500g chicken breast , cucumber , broccoli , tiny bit of sauce - about 650 calories

comes to around 220g protein 120g carbs 50g fat, sometimes have more of some than the other

my stats are - 6'3 , 200 pounds - if i had to guess body fat % id say around 12%

I'm wondering why my weight has stayed the same while being on that amount of calories and also for the last week running t3?

i train 90 minutes of weights and 40 minutes of cardio 6 time a week but am pretty inactive apart from that, iv'e done previous cuts but never on cycle and never had trouble dropping the weight like this so wondering if it could be because im recomping? im getting to the stage where i cant drop my calories any lower now so im concered im wasting my time cutting on cycle if the weights not coming

Your diet is an absolute mess. Dairy and wheat are extremely inflammatory in the body. There are much better food choices.

Loosing weight really comes down to making the right food choices and watching your caloric intake.

I recommend checking out some daily training and diet blueprints on my website so you can see how a properly structured meal plan looks like -> https://trevorkouritzin.com/update-from-me-my-current-diet-and-training-program/

Fill out the contact form on my website if you want some individualized diet help.
 
Thanks for the all the advice given got a lot to take in. came back to the thread a bit late so iv'e Gotten behind on a lot of replies so ill try and do a summary reply. gonna fix the diet up based on whats been said and focus more on meal timing and taking the slow and steady approach
 
I could private message you a meal plan... But I'm not sure what you have available and what you're accustomed to.

would you mind if i took you up on this i checked out the meal plan example given by Muskate but never hurts to have another point of reference. Couldn't pm you cause of my low post count so posted on visitor board instead about this and some follow up questions on what you said also if thats alright
 
Maybe limit carb intake. I get great results from eca with HIIT and 50 grams of low gi carvs a day. Ive never ran a cutting cycle though
 
I am an endomorph and respond well to low carb and lots of cardio. I only eat complex carbs one day a week as a carb loading day

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I agree, I’m with your there falling more on the endo spectrum. I do well on the lower carb scale myself.
 
I agree, I’m with your there falling more on the endo spectrum. I do well on the lower carb scale myself.
I follow a high fat high protein keto plan for 6 days a week with leg day being my high carb loading day. I've responded really awesome to this plan but it takes work and willpower. Cardio helps me tremendously although I hate it!

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I follow a high fat high protein keto plan for 6 days a week with leg day being my high carb loading day. I've responded really awesome to this plan but it takes work and willpower. Cardio helps me tremendously although I hate it!

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Try the stairmaster or swimming if you hate running and blisters like I do.
 
I don’t think I could focus at home, my kids would be trying to come down or my wife bugging me.
Haha - I was worried about that at first too but it hasn't been an issue. My girls are both gymnasts. We also have ropes, beams, bars, etc in the basement so they workout with me if I'm working out in the evening. If I'm working out during the day my wife works out with me. So it works out pretty good actually!!

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Haha - I was worried about that at first too but it hasn't been an issue. My girls are both gymnasts. We also have ropes, beams, bars, etc in the basement so they workout with me if I'm working out in the evening. If I'm working out during the day my wife works out with me. So it works out pretty good actually!!

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That’s awesome! My wife goes to the gym with me but she follows a different routine obviously, like most women she puts her main focus into lower body, core/midsection and cardio - which is great for me haha! So I agree it’s awesome your wife joins you, I enjoy seeing my wife around the gym with me.

My kids are real young though, only 6, 4 and 2 - the younger 2 being my sons oldest the girl. They aren’t quite old enough to be in a gym obviously, still dangerous for them to even be in it at all. Once they’re grown up a bit and they can workout with me a little I can’t wait to have a home gym.

Having the gymnastics stuff at home would be awesome, bars and ropes - awesome workouts on that stuff. I like some of that stuff myself.
 
That’s awesome! My wife goes to the gym with me but she follows a different routine obviously, like most women she puts her main focus into lower body, core/midsection and cardio - which is great for me haha! So I agree it’s awesome your wife joins you, I enjoy seeing my wife around the gym with me.

My kids are real young though, only 6, 4 and 2 - the younger 2 being my sons oldest the girl. They aren’t quite old enough to be in a gym obviously, still dangerous for them to even be in it at all. Once they’re grown up a bit and they can workout with me a little I can’t wait to have a home gym.

Having the gymnastics stuff at home would be awesome, bars and ropes - awesome workouts on that stuff. I like some of that stuff myself.
Yea it is fun when we all work out together. Can start to get a but crowded but we've gotten used to it. My girls are 6 and 10. My oldest isnt very athletic although she tries. Her skill is drawing and music. My youngest however is a beast! At 5 years old she was a level II competition gymnast and has a little six pack that is rock hard. Shes a gold metal killer and is always competing with kids much older than her. Shes by far the youngest team gymnast we've seen, let alone level II. Its pretty rad! Gymnastic is an amazing way to stay in shape

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You're simply not in a calorie deficit. I will suggest that you lose the yogurt, bread and sardines. Too, are you consuming skinless chicken breast, and in which way are you preparing it?[/QUOTE

just to add on to the part about not being in a calorie deficit, i've had a couple people tell me that eating 1800-2000 calories is to low and has probably crashed my metabolism and thats why. how much further would you advise dropping em?

Really depends on your height and activity. Most days 2000-2300 is my maintenance.


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