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So I'm about to start a cutting cycle. The last one didn't pan out due to my lack of experience in this arena. My last cycle was Sust 250 only. No AI and no PCT, like an idiot. But between Evolutionary and Naps I think I've got this next cycle figured out. What do y'all think?
It will go as follows;
GP Test Cyp 250 - 500 mg WK
GP Anavar - Start at 40 mg ED and work up to 80 if possible
GP MHN - Start at 5 mg working up to 15 ED
GP Clenbuteral - Start a 40 mg and work up to 60-80
GP Arimidex - .5mg EOD I also have Letro available if needed
HCG - 250 iu x2 would

Stats:
Fat
Old
 
So I'm about to start a cutting cycle. The last one didn't pan out due to my lack of experience in this arena. My last cycle was Sust 250 only. No AI and no PCT, like an idiot. But between Evolutionary and Naps I think I've got this next cycle figured out. What do y'all think?
It will go as follows;
GP Test Cyp 250 - 500 mg WK
GP Anavar - Start at 40 mg ED and work up to 80 if possible
GP MHN - Start at 5 mg working up to 15 ED
GP Clenbuteral - Start a 40 mg and work up to 60-80
GP Arimidex - .5mg EOD I also have Letro available if needed
HCG - 250 iu x2 would

Stats:
Fat
Old

I still see no mention of PCT, and you say fat and old - exactly how fat? If you’re body fat is substantially high you wont notice a lot from a cycle. The anavar will be especially useless at a high body fat, and clen is dangerous.

Why not just properly run a first cycle again since you failed to finish it last time the right way? This would be after your body fat was under control.
 
38 yrs old
5'11
200 lbs
22% bf.

I was thinking of trying it over again but wanted to throw something extra in. I have Clomid and Nolvadex on hand for PCT.
 
Fuck IDK if its 22%. Just went by some internet page

I don't have the time to stand on a scale or check in at the local gym.
 
38 yrs old
5'11
200 lbs
22% bf.

I was thinking of trying it over again but wanted to throw something extra in. I have Clomid and Nolvadex on hand for PCT.

You’re asking for cardio vascular issues here so in my right mind I couldn’t tell you to go through with this.
 
Fuck IDK if its 22%. Just went by some internet page

I don't have the time to stand on a scale or check in at the local gym.

Well 5’11 200 means you’re carrying some extra fat unless you’re a tank bro, so 22% is likely close.

Use extreme caution with the clen for sure.
 
Fuck IDK if its 22%. Just went by some internet page

I don't have the time to stand on a scale or check in at the local gym.

Not knowing one's percentage of body fat prior to running a cycle is nearly akin to not knowing one's blood type prior to surgery. So perhaps you should find the time, Jeff. :-)
 
10-4. Thanks for the input. I'll probably just drop the Clen. Thoughts on HGH?

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Not knowing one's percentage of body fat prior to running a cycle is nearly akin to not knowing one's blood type prior to surgery. So perhaps you should find the time, Jeff. :-)

Ill get it checked properly. I'm good on the blood type though :).
 
Thanks for your input. I'll check on that and drop the Clen. Thanks

You, sir, are quite welcome. But, as Gruntwerkz alluded to, what are your plans for your PCT? And for how many weeks are you planning to run these compounds?
I will also urge you to restrict your anavar dosage to no more than 50mg per day and for no longer than six weeks - the final six weeks. And even that hinges on your percentage of body fat at the time.
In short, this whole thing is a mess.
 
12 weeks. I had initially planned on doing Winstrol for the first six weeks and then replace it with Anavar for 7-12. But here and there it's been changed due to opinion of others. Everything else was the same.

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PCT was/is:
Day 1 Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 20 days Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
N2Generate

And N2Guard while on cycle, with Hawthorn and Dandelion supplements
 
12 weeks. I had initially planned on doing Winstrol for the first six weeks and then replace it with Anavar for 7-12. But here and there it's been changed due to opinion of others. Everything else was the same.

Okay, while assuming you to be somewhere around 10% body fat (if not, all will be for not), I would run it as follows:

GP Test Cyp 250: 500mg WK - week 1-12
GP Anavar: 50mg ED - week 6-12 (You really should be no more 9% body fat at the beginning of that 6th week.)
I would drop the MHN - as two orals in one cycle is not advisable
GP Aromasin rather than arimidex because, unlike arimidex, aromasin is a "suicide AI" - weeks 1 - 17
HCG would not be necessary relative to this cycle.

PCT:
Clomid: 50/50/25/25
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
 
12 weeks. I had initially planned on doing Winstrol for the first six weeks and then replace it with Anavar for 7-12. But here and there it's been changed due to opinion of others. Everything else was the same.

The issue is you may have read some misleading articles on anavar.

There is a massive amount of articles written by different body building websites that point to anavar being a fat loss drug, if you look most of these are copy and pasted with some wording changed. It’s a spread of misinformation, the whole anavar burns VAT and other abdomen fat is bro science. What anavar can do is enhance once’s abdomen area immensely but only well in a low enough body fat to have abs, the DHT nature of var makes you look hard.

Maybe this came from the whole AR receptor in fat tissue, because yes there is most definitely an AR receptor within fat but AAS don’t specifically trigger fat loss within that receptor (the amount is insignificant). So most fat loss relative to AAS is what ones doing on a cutting cycle, which is determined by diet, cardio and intensity of training - not directly the drugs. Another indirect action is the increase of lean body mass, the more muscle you gain the more calories you burn, meaning your resting metabolic rate will increase thus helping you burn fat if that’s your goal.

So a cutting cycle - the drugs don’t support the cut, the drugs support the cut look! The cut it’s self is diet and energy burned.

So typically within a cutting cycle one chooses drugs that don’t aromatize a ton, or if they do they follow strict estrogen control, this is to avoid retain water and looking puffy. Other common drugs are DHT derivatives like anavar, winstrol, primobolan, masteron, and others. These are employed because they have a way of making you look hard, masteron also possesses some other cool stuff but that’s another post. DHT derivatives can help gain lean mass of course but the gains won’t be substantial which is typically why these are employed as cosmetic drugs.

So drug choice is based on their mechanism not the ability to accelerate fat loss.

The next main portion of AAS use and cutting is simply to help retain strength and muscle mass well in a calorie deficit, however where you stand I don’t think this is a concern really.

Oral AAS are hard on the liver so you’re going to be taxing your liver and not even be able to see the best part of the drug.

If it were me I would put this whole idea aside for now well you cut a little, if you were hell bent on doing it anyway since you’re a grown man I’d highly advise you only use the test for 12 weeks and run more arimidex, at your body fat gyno is a huge risk. So don’t do it and if you do 12 weeks test, 1mg arimidex ED, then PCT of clomid and nolva 2 weeks after your last shot, and try to get aromasin if you can to use in PCT (I would not use arimidex in PCT).
 
Looks legit. I'll give this cycle a go. Right now I'm on a calorie restrictive diet. Probably should have mentioned that. Sorry I forgot. I was trying to drop a few pounds before I started this cycle. Not gonna start until 1-1-2019. Hopefully I can aquire some HGH by then. Thanks for your help.
 
I've got Adex and Letro. I can get some Aromasine no problem

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I wanna jump back to HGH real quick. Who has the best HGH? I've seen tops, yellow tops, blue tops, hyge, and several brands
 
I've got Adex and Letro. I can get some Aromasine no problem

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I wanna jump back to HGH real quick. Who has the best HGH? I've seen tops, yellow tops, blue tops, hyge, and several brands

The standard generic on naps are fine, black tops. I believe you said that’s your source.

HGH is better for your needs then AAS.
 
Yeah I'm sure they'll do fine but I'm not looking for generic. I want the best money can buy. I'll also see what I can find for a source here as well.
 
The standard generic on naps are fine, black tops. I believe you said that’s your source.

HGH is better for your needs then AAS.

Although I happen to use gray tops (the difference being quite negligible), that is the source of HGH I have been using for the past seven years.
 
I guess I didn't know as much as I thought I did. I assumed by them being called by there cap colors they wouldnt be up to par. Guess I was wrong.
 
Yeah I'm sure they'll do fine but I'm not looking for generic. I want the best money can buy. I'll also see what I can find for a source here as well.

If you want the best money can buy then I would go to with pharmacy grade like genotrope which naps and PSL carries.
 
Generic HGH has come a long ways, and by generic I only mean UGL HGH, so anything not pharmacy grade.

Exactly. I have ordered and used all of the "colors" of HGH that my source sells, and, as my blood tests have revealed, they're all good to go. I now order gray tops simply out of habit and for no other reason.
Perhaps it is because, subconsciously, I gravitate towards gray due to its being a confluence of that which is Silver & Black, baby! :-)
 
So I noticed you said you'd rather me wait on the Anavar until I got the bf% down. So what about doing the Test Cyp and MHN and wait on the Anavar? Just brainstorming. I've been told that MHN is basically Tren without the sides. What do y'all think?

And I'd still go ahead and get the HCH and cycle them together
Go or NoGo?
 
So I noticed you said you'd rather me wait on the Anavar until I got the bf% down. So what about doing the Test Cyp and MHN and wait on the Anavar? Just brainstorming. I've been told that MHN is basically Tren without the sides. What do y'all think?

And I'd still go ahead and get the HCH and cycle them together
Go or NoGo?

I’d rather you do this, but I’d still like to see the MHN left out too. MHN is real liver toxic at the doses you listed, if you did run it I wouldn’t exceed 5-10mg. You’d also need liver support.

Personally a recomp with just testosterone and HGH would serve you the best right now.
 
10-4. Thanks

I always run N2Guard for support. My last cycle my liver was good on the Sust. I was going to add some extra supplement this time. Hawthorn, Dandelion, and Red Yeast Rice.
 
And I'm getting pre cycle blood work done to see if there is anything else I need to tackle before I start.
 
I’d rather you do this, but I’d still like to see the MHN left out too. MHN is real liver toxic at the doses you listed, if you did run it I wouldn’t exceed 5-10mg. You’d also need liver support.

Personally a recomp with just testosterone and HGH would serve you the best right now.

I agree with Gruntwerkz, Jeff. Once you get yourself down to around 10% body fat (BF), beginning running the test', and then, at the beginning of week 7, if you're around 8.5% BF, go ahead and begin to take 50mg of 'var each day for six weeks. You might also consider running something like EQ or primo' week 1 - 12.
But, as Gruntwerkz mentioned, MHN's liver toxicity would make the running of C-17 alkylated anabolic steroids for twelve weeks extremely dangerous. And running MHN at 5 to 10mg per day would be useless.

Finally, Jeff, why are you going to begin a cutting cycle in January? Do you live in the Southern Hemisphere?
 
I may just wait until Spring and see what I can get down to naturally. I'd rather get my BF% down.

As far as starting in January, no, I live in Texas. Winter's are cool to to pretty warm. Plus I work out at home in a heated garage so I can regulate the temp. Sweat more or less. Depending on what I'm doing. Hope this makes sense.
 
10-4. Thanks for the input. I'll probably just drop the Clen. Thoughts on HGH?

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Ill get it checked properly. I'm good on the blood type though :).

you sure you are 22% body fat? that seems high for your stats unless you really don't have much muscle

How would I even know? Other than getting it checked out. I mean I don't carry a lot of weight in my legs. I mostly carry it in my arms, waist, and chest. Last measurements I took my biceps were 17.5" flexed on the right and 17" flexed on the left. Puny I know but hopefully this helps.
 
I may just wait until Spring and see what I can get down to naturally. I'd rather get my BF% down.

Yes, for you to get yourself to 10% body fat, it may well take until the spring to achieve that.

As far as starting in January, no, I live in Texas. Winter's are cool to to pretty warm. Plus I work out at home in a heated garage so I can regulate the temp. Sweat more or less. Depending on what I'm doing. Hope this makes sense.

As a suggestion, think about running bulking cycles during the winter when your body is all but completely covered most of the time (even in Texas), and running cutting cycles during the summer months - the months in which you tend to show more of your body to others.
For whatever it may be worth to you, I run two cycles per year: a Jan. 1 through April 1 bulking cycle; and a July 1 through Oct. 1 cutting cycle, which always work out quite well.
 
I may just wait until Spring and see what I can get down to naturally. I'd rather get my BF% down.

As far as starting in January, no, I live in Texas. Winter's are cool to to pretty warm. Plus I work out at home in a heated garage so I can regulate the temp. Sweat more or less. Depending on what I'm doing. Hope this makes sense.

I can assure you the lower your body fat prior to starting the happier you’ll be.

Don’t get me wrong here I’m not the kind of guy that stays peeled year round either, and personally I usually feel like shit the few times I’ve taken myself down to 8% because in order to do so I cannot eat carbs. Without carbs I feel like shit, I need a couple bowls of steel cut oats every day to feel myself, I also like baked potatoes.

So I tend to sit around 15-17% normally because that’s where I feel best and strongest, but I also wouldn’t run hardening drugs at that percentage. I’m currently trying to get back down myself to run my var in the spring.

Don’t under estimate testosterone only cycles, even in lower range doses like 350mg/wk it’s extremely productive with less side effects.
 
Sounds like the road I need to take. I'm not trying to make excuses here but it rough trying to eat healthy. I drive 2 hrs to work, sit mostly in my truck all day unless I'm turning valves or swinging a sledge hammer, and then drive 2 hrs home. Not a lot of time to prep meals. So it's always easier to just grab something from under the warmer at the store. Honey buns, chips, Mt Dew, and junk from the warmer. But for the past week I've been eating fruits and eggs for breakfast, chicken breast and pork for lunch, and a protein and vegetable for supper. I mostly just drink Bangs and water now, no Mt Dew. I try to lift at least 3 times a week for about 30 minutes. That's all the time I have when I get home.

But I'm gonna order all of this stuff just to have. Test cycle seems to be the simplest and safest recommendation every one has made.
 
Sounds like the road I need to take. I'm not trying to make excuses here but it rough trying to eat healthy.

I don't see you as doing any such thing, Jeff. In fact, you have shown yourself to learn, completely open to suggestions, and well-grounded in personal responsibility. Kudos to you, bro! :-)

I drive 2 hrs to work, sit mostly in my truck all day unless I'm turning valves or swinging a sledge hammer, and then drive 2 hrs home. Not a lot of time to prep meals. So it's always easier to just grab something from under the warmer at the store. Honey buns, chips, Mt Dew, and junk from the warmer. But for the past week I've been eating fruits and eggs for breakfast, chicken breast and pork for lunch, and a protein and vegetable for supper. I mostly just drink Bangs and water now, no Mt Dew. I try to lift at least 3 times a week for about 30 minutes. That's all the time I have when I get home.

But I'm gonna order all of this stuff just to have. Test cycle seems to be the simplest and safest recommendation every one has made.

Yes, it will certainly be a challenge. But you can do it.

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I'm out! I'm out! I'm out!
 
10-4. Thanks for the input. I'll probably just drop the Clen. Thoughts on HGH?

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Ill get it checked properly. I'm good on the blood type though :).

I don't see you as doing any such thing, Jeff. In fact, you have shown yourself to learn, completely open to suggestions, and well-grounded in personal responsibility. Kudos to you, bro! :-)



Yes, it will certainly be a challenge. But you can do it.

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Please keep us posted with respect to your progress, Jeff. :-)


I'm out! I'm out! I'm out!

Thanks for the guidance. It is appreciated
 
Sounds like the road I need to take. I'm not trying to make excuses here but it rough trying to eat healthy. I drive 2 hrs to work, sit mostly in my truck all day unless I'm turning valves or swinging a sledge hammer, and then drive 2 hrs home. Not a lot of time to prep meals. So it's always easier to just grab something from under the warmer at the store. Honey buns, chips, Mt Dew, and junk from the warmer. But for the past week I've been eating fruits and eggs for breakfast, chicken breast and pork for lunch, and a protein and vegetable for supper. I mostly just drink Bangs and water now, no Mt Dew. I try to lift at least 3 times a week for about 30 minutes. That's all the time I have when I get home.

But I'm gonna order all of this stuff just to have. Test cycle seems to be the simplest and safest recommendation every one has made.

You will drastically need to change your life style and training if you want to cycle.

Not trying to offend you but lifting 3 times a week for 30 minutes is absolutely not enough stimulation while on a cycle. The 3 times a week 30 minutes should be your cardio time, then you need to add weights on top.

If you can not commit the time to train or dedication to prepare food ahead of time then I’d hold off on buying any gear until you can commit the time.
 
We'll to be honest I could give more time to working out. I was doing an HR everyday. I've just got lazy since the first cycle failed.
There's things I could do to get more time to work out. Quit looking at my phone while taking a dump( saves about 15 minutes lol), leave work a little sooner(saves about 20 minutes), basically just quit wasting time. I could fee up a good 1.5 hrs a day to work out. My son is a HS Powerlifter so getting the motivation won't be hard. Ill get the time in.
 
We'll to be honest I could give more time to working out. I was doing an HR everyday. I've just got lazy since the first cycle failed.
There's things I could do to get more time to work out. Quit looking at my phone while taking a dump( saves about 15 minutes lol), leave work a little sooner(saves about 20 minutes), basically just quit wasting time. I could fee up a good 1.5 hrs a day to work out. My son is a HS Powerlifter so getting the motivation won't be hard. Ill get the time in.

You can make an hour work, I would am for 5 times a week. If you go in focused you can hit your weights off in 45 minutes then hit 15 minutes of cardio, just keep the intensity up.
 
We'll to be honest I could give more time to working out. I was doing an HR everyday. I've just got lazy since the first cycle failed.
There's things I could do to get more time to work out. Quit looking at my phone while taking a dump( saves about 15 minutes lol), leave work a little sooner(saves about 20 minutes), basically just quit wasting time. I could fee up a good 1.5 hrs a day to work out. My son is a HS Powerlifter so getting the motivation won't be hard. Ill get the time in.

Have you thought about seeking out a coach to help you with your diet and training program? It's like the age old saying "Don't work harder. Work smarter."

You can check out my website trevordietcoach.com if you want some sample meal plan lay outs.
 
Please be sure to keep us abreast go your progress, Jeff.

Will do. Off to an ok start, I think. Changed my diet and dropped 8 pounds in 5 days. I know the weight loss will slow down eventually but I'm take all I can get right now. Cut out all soda's, junk food, fatty meats. It's working so far. Nothing but lean meats, vegetables, good fats ,and light carbs
 
Will do. Off to an ok start, I think. Changed my diet and dropped 8 pounds in 5 days. I know the weight loss will slow down eventually but I'm take all I can get right now. Cut out all soda's, junk food, fatty meats. It's working so far. Nothing but lean meats, vegetables, good fats ,and light carbs

That’s all it takes when coming from a shit diet, lose all you can now from the change then you’ll have to start tweaking things when it slows down.

Glad you’re off to a good start and keep up the good work.
 
Will do. Off to an ok start, I think. Changed my diet and dropped 8 pounds in 5 days. I know the weight loss will slow down eventually but I'm take all I can get right now. Cut out all soda's, junk food, fatty meats. It's working so far. Nothing but lean meats, vegetables, good fats ,and light carbs

You, sir, most certainly are off to a good start. Keep it up. And be well.
 
Will do. Off to an ok start, I think. Changed my diet and dropped 8 pounds in 5 days. I know the weight loss will slow down eventually but I'm take all I can get right now. Cut out all soda's, junk food, fatty meats. It's working so far. Nothing but lean meats, vegetables, good fats ,and light carbs

That's how you do it. By the way what do you mean by "light" carbs and did you team up with Trevor?
 
Not yet. Work has kept me busy and I haven't got to reach out to him yet. As far as light carbs I meant green vegetables. Broccoli, spinach, green beans, cabbage, and brussel sprouts. Mostly sauteed with olive oil or coconut oil, with onion and garlic. Or some variation.
 
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