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Bingaling

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I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
 

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I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
welcome now fully open arms to the EVO family :D @Bingaling happy you sharing what you're up to now and you're open about it.
Looking at your pics, you're an amazing person! dropping that much weight is very hard, we all know it. Well done.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

thank you and share more :)

Also, my total test is 2197 and my IGF1 is at 397 currently.
Can you share the blood work please?
 
Supps by meal

Meal 1:

-Berberine

-Super Enzymes

-D3 K2

-1500 mg ashwagandha

-Multi Vitamin

-1.5g psyllium husk


Meal 2:

-500 mg Inositol

-500 mg Niacin

-300 mg ALA

-3600 mg fish oil

-100 mg CoQ10

-600 mg apple cider vinegar

-1000 mg equivalent milk thistle

-550 mg Tudca

-315 mg green tea



Meal 3:

-Berberine

-500 mg niacin

-600 mg NAC

-1250 mg cinnamon

-1000 mg elderberry

-500 mg turmeric

-200 mg grape seed

-1200 mg Saw Palmetto

-600 mg red yeast rice

-2000 FU Nattokinase

-500 mg Beetroot



Meal 4:

-500 mg inositol

-300 mg ALA

-200 mg magnesium



Meal 5:

-Berberine

-100 mg magnesium
 
for training, I just recently started truly tracking progression on lifts so I need to perfect my layout in notes cuz I’m OCD 🤣

And cardio, I work construction so I haven’t been doing true cardio. Pre workout I walk for 20 minutes at 3.0 mph since I get to the gym at 4 am. I work construction so I end up getting 12k-15k steps per day depending on my tasks at work.

When I’m cutting weight I make sure I hit 20 minutes of cardio on the elliptical at home about 9-10 hours after finishing lifting.
 
Pre workout meal: 3:30 am
-8 oz unsweetened almond milk
-3/4 scoop whey isolate
-140g frozen bluberries
-2 eggs
-1 bagel
-24g peanut butter
*775cal/49protein/27fat/82carb

Intra workout: 5:30 am
-25g karbolyn
*100cal/25carb

Post workout: 7:00 am
-170g 96/4 ground beef
-255g jasmine rice
*600cal/59protein/12fat/64carb

Meal 3: 11:30 am
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-140g broccoli
-28g raw cashews
*717cal/64protein/17fat/81carb

Meal 4: 4:00 pm
-170g chicken breast
-210g jasmine rice
-28g raw cashews
*624cal/61protein/16fat/61carb

Meal 5: 7:00 pm
-56g creamy rice
-1/2 scoop whey blend
-24g peanut butter
-60g blueberries
*449cal/23protein/15fat/57carb

Total macros:
*3,264cal/255protein/88fat/370carb
 
Supps by meal

Meal 1:

-Berberine

-Super Enzymes

-D3 K2

-1500 mg ashwagandha

-Multi Vitamin

-1.5g psyllium husk


Meal 2:

-500 mg Inositol

-500 mg Niacin

-300 mg ALA

-3600 mg fish oil

-100 mg CoQ10

-600 mg apple cider vinegar

-1000 mg equivalent milk thistle

-550 mg Tudca

-315 mg green tea



Meal 3:

-Berberine

-500 mg niacin

-600 mg NAC

-1250 mg cinnamon

-1000 mg elderberry

-500 mg turmeric

-200 mg grape seed

-1200 mg Saw Palmetto

-600 mg red yeast rice

-2000 FU Nattokinase

-500 mg Beetroot



Meal 4:

-500 mg inositol

-300 mg ALA

-200 mg magnesium



Meal 5:

-Berberine

-100 mg magnesium

Updated gear schedule starting 7/13/25

Primo weekly: 400mg (.66cc x 6)

Test weekly: 500mg (.28cc x 6)

Npp weekly (1-2): 200mg (.23cc x 6)

NPP weekly (3-10): 300mg (.33cc x 6)


Disregard these numbers. I remembered incorrectly. Accurate numbers are not far off, but posted in the bloodwork.
you have a good body broly healla leaner but your bloods you got the full ones?
for training, I just recently started truly tracking progression on lifts so I need to perfect my layout in notes cuz I’m OCD 🤣

And cardio, I work construction so I haven’t been doing true cardio. Pre workout I walk for 20 minutes at 3.0 mph since I get to the gym at 4 am. I work construction so I end up getting 12k-15k steps per day depending on my tasks at work.

When I’m cutting weight I make sure I hit 20 minutes of cardio on the elliptical at home about 9-10 hours after finishing lifting.

Pre workout meal: 3:30 am
-8 oz unsweetened almond milk
-3/4 scoop whey isolate
-140g frozen bluberries
-2 eggs
-1 bagel
-24g peanut butter
*775cal/49protein/27fat/82carb

Intra workout: 5:30 am
-25g karbolyn
*100cal/25carb

Post workout: 7:00 am
-170g 96/4 ground beef
-255g jasmine rice
*600cal/59protein/12fat/64carb

Meal 3: 11:30 am
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-140g broccoli
-28g raw cashews
*717cal/64protein/17fat/81carb

Meal 4: 4:00 pm
-170g chicken breast
-210g jasmine rice
-28g raw cashews
*624cal/61protein/16fat/61carb

Meal 5: 7:00 pm
-56g creamy rice
-1/2 scoop whey blend
-24g peanut butter
-60g blueberries
*449cal/23protein/15fat/57carb

Total macros:
*3,264cal/255protein/88fat/370carb
portein is good carbs are good but fat add soem walnuts
 
you have a good body broly healla leaner but your bloods you got the full ones?



portein is good carbs are good but fat add soem walnuts
How much would you recommend? I was thinking about adding 2 more eggs probably post workout but I’m open to any and all suggestions!
 
I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
wow what a transformation. 355 and obese to lean and mean. @Bingaling that is inspirational stuff
 
I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
bro nothing wrong with how you look before. @Bingaling i like my men with some meat. you should meet halfway and gain back 100 pounds
 
I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
don't bet the house on doing no AI with 500mgs test always. can't always depend on primo to bind to estrogen enough. @Bingaling i would make sure you don't over do that
 
I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
congrats on changing your life around. you increased your life expectancy by a lot as well. keep up the good work, its impressive ! @Bingaling
 
I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
tell us more about how you changed your lifestyle. that is very cool you were able to reverse from obese to in great shape. It's a true inspiration to see that and I'm very proud of you. @Bingaling
 
I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
bros you looking thick! arms are huge and you building some big muscles @Bingaling amazing you used to be that fat before hard to beleive
 
tell us more about how you changed your lifestyle. that is very cool you were able to reverse from obese to in great shape. It's a true inspiration to see that and I'm very proud of you. @Bingaling
Honestly, it took a huge life changing event to realize that I wasn’t gonna live long going down the path I was. So I started to make some small changes but ended up getting hooked!
 
I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
Amazing transformation!
 
Solid! I’ll have to up my cals this week cuz I’ve been plateaued for the last 2.5 almost 3 weeks at the same weight. I’ll rerun the macros with the increase and see what I can do. Appreciate the advice!
its going to be gain city coming in ;)
 
Honestly, it took a huge life changing event to realize that I wasn’t gonna live long going down the path I was. So I started to make some small changes but ended up getting hooked!
that is a great story
 
looks good gotta keep E under control
On blast, I usually get everything checked every 3-4 weeks. On cruise I let it go every 6-8 weeks depending on how long I’m cruising. I’ll typically get bloods 4 weeks into a cruise then cruise for another 6-8 and get bloods again before beginning another blast if markers are all good
 
On blast, I usually get everything checked every 3-4 weeks. On cruise I let it go every 6-8 weeks depending on how long I’m cruising. I’ll typically get bloods 4 weeks into a cruise then cruise for another 6-8 and get bloods again before beginning another blast if markers are all good
that is smart !
 
that is smart !
Appreciate you and the input!! I’m in this for the long haul. I’m actually planning to compete end of next year to see if I like it. If I like it, I’m going to get all my loose skin chopped off and try to make a name for myself. Ik that’s a big dream but gives me something to work towards! I just can’t justify the 16k to get skin chopped off if I don’t know if I’ll enjoy competing or not.
 
Appreciate you and the input!! I’m in this for the long haul. I’m actually planning to compete end of next year to see if I like it. If I like it, I’m going to get all my loose skin chopped off and try to make a name for myself. Ik that’s a big dream but gives me something to work towards! I just can’t justify the 16k to get skin chopped off if I don’t know if I’ll enjoy competing or not.
that would be awesome!
 
there is zero reason it has to be a dream. you have seen guys who look not close to as good as you go and compete a year later
That is a good point tbh. I have about a full year to keep growing under control before I’d need to start a prep. Definitely more realistic than I allow myself to believe at times
 
I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
@Bingaling welcome aboard man. We are glad to have you. Awesome transformation also
 
I am currently 6’1” and 199.2 lbs. 3 years ago I was 355 lbs then a switch flipped.

Im currently running a PPL split.

I eat exactly 3,264 calories per day. Macros come to 255 protein, 88 fat, and 370 carbs.

I am working on doing a clean bulk. I bulked from February 2024 to June of 2024 and went from 193-250 and just got fat all over again. I had to do a shit load of extra work to get back down to be lean enough and dropped to 192. I’ve currently been bulking for 11 weeks and I’ve gained 7 lbs.

My current cycle started with 100mg primo injected 6x per week, 125mg test e injected 4x per week, and 5iu HGH on training days fasted in the AM. I intended to add var once I got bloods to make sure the primo was controlling estradiol. My blood pressure stays around 110/65 and my fasted glucose ranges from 77-82. Glucose prior to every meal is 85-90 and I eat every 3ish hours (5 meals per day).

500mg of test e weekly without no AI had my estradiol up to 63 on my last cycle. I just wanted to see how heavily I convert, but handled it quickly. Adding 600 mg of primo to that same test dosage dropped estradiol to 5.5.

Come to find the primo ranked my estradiol but I feel amazing. Dropped out some of the primo so now I switched primo to 6x injections totaling 400mg weekly. The rest of my bloods looked incredible besides the tanked estradiol assuming caused some drop in HDL. My LDL is still extremely low but like I said I’ll be taking out 1/3 of my primo dosage.

Last time I ran var it skewed my bloods as would be expected somewhat with orals. I’ll more than likely be adding 300mg NPP weekly next week because I think I’d rather add another injection that takes a separate pathway than adding a DHT oral. It will be my first time running a nor19 so I’m of course open to running it at a lower dose if it is suggested. I’m really looking for input. I’ll likely be tapering down to a cruise around September 15 at 150 mg test e weekly.

I’m aiming to continue my bulk into middle of September then enter a clean up for 6-8 weeks.

I’m also not against running insulin, but was planning on saving that until I need it.

I’m clearly new to the whole forum/thread/log thing so I am 100% willing to give any more information necessary! I just am not 100% sure what else to add if I’m being honest.
Huge progress
 
The remainder of my bloods came in. I know my BUN and Ratio went up, but eGFR went up fairly substantially. Previous results was on 130mg test weekly and 3 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Newest bloods is on 500 test e, 600 primo, 5 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Assuming that the BUN and Ratio being elevated is from intense training, creatine usage, and higher protein than previously. I only am making that assumption because eGFR went up so kidney function went up.
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Updated Meal Log:

Pre workout meal: 3:30 am
-8 oz unsweetened almond milk
-1 scoop whey isolate
-140g frozen bluberries
-2 eggs
-1 bagel
-24g peanut butter
*805cal/55protein/28fat/83carb

Intra workout: 5:30 am
-25g karbolyn
*100cal/25carb

Post workout: 7:00 am
-170g 96/4 ground beef
-318 jasmine rice
*675cal/60protein/13fat/80carb

Meal 3: 11:30 am
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-140g broccoli
-24g raw walnuts
*720cal/63protein/21fat/76carb

Meal 4: 4:00 pm
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-24g raw walnuts
*674cal/60protein/20fat/66carb

Meal 5: 7:00 pm
-56g creamy rice
-1 scoop whey blend
-24g peanut butter
-60g blueberries
*463cal/33protein/12fat/57carb

Totals:
-3,436 calories
-272 protein
-94 fat
-386 carbs
 
The remainder of my bloods came in. I know my BUN and Ratio went up, but eGFR went up fairly substantially. Previous results was on 130mg test weekly and 3 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Newest bloods is on 500 test e, 600 primo, 5 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Assuming that the BUN and Ratio being elevated is from intense training, creatine usage, and higher protein than previously. I only am making that assumption because eGFR went up so kidney function went up.View attachment 104815
Blood work not bad, your BUN levels aren't too high imo.
Updated Meal Log:

Pre workout meal: 3:30 am
-8 oz unsweetened almond milk
-1 scoop whey isolate
-140g frozen bluberries
-2 eggs
-1 bagel
-24g peanut butter
*805cal/55protein/28fat/83carb

Intra workout: 5:30 am
-25g karbolyn
*100cal/25carb

Post workout: 7:00 am
-170g 96/4 ground beef
-318 jasmine rice
*675cal/60protein/13fat/80carb

Meal 3: 11:30 am
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-140g broccoli
-24g raw walnuts
*720cal/63protein/21fat/76carb

Meal 4: 4:00 pm
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-24g raw walnuts
*674cal/60protein/20fat/66carb

Meal 5: 7:00 pm
-56g creamy rice
-1 scoop whey blend
-24g peanut butter
-60g blueberries
*463cal/33protein/12fat/57carb

Totals:
-3,436 calories
-272 protein
-94 fat
-386 carbs
@Bingaling cream of rice and jasmine rice, good mix of carbs here :D
 
I tend to keep it simple when I can 🤣 I spend most of my time at the gym and at work so my old lady does my meal prepping for me lol
nice the lady does it :D
 
The remainder of my bloods came in. I know my BUN and Ratio went up, but eGFR went up fairly substantially. Previous results was on 130mg test weekly and 3 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Newest bloods is on 500 test e, 600 primo, 5 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Assuming that the BUN and Ratio being elevated is from intense training, creatine usage, and higher protein than previously. I only am making that assumption because eGFR went up so kidney function went up.View attachment 104815
@Bingaling very common to see elevated kidney numbers in our game for all the factors you mentioned plus steroid abuse. if you are concerned there are specialists you can go to that can perform more in depth kidney tests. a kidney biopsy is what you will want
 
@Bingaling very common to see elevated kidney numbers in our game for all the factors you mentioned plus steroid abuse. if you are concerned there are specialists you can go to that can perform more in depth kidney tests. a kidney biopsy is what you will want
Not worried about them tbh just throwing out my understanding of it all so I can either be corrected or get another viewpoint. I’m largely here to absorb the vast knowledge that is clearly here!
 
Not worried about them tbh just throwing out my understanding of it all so I can either be corrected or get another viewpoint. I’m largely here to absorb the vast knowledge that is clearly here!
Another thing you can do is stop training a week and fast a couple days then go test.
 
Updated Meal Log:

Pre workout meal: 3:30 am
-8 oz unsweetened almond milk
-1 scoop whey isolate
-140g frozen bluberries
-2 eggs
-1 bagel
-24g peanut butter
*805cal/55protein/28fat/83carb

Intra workout: 5:30 am
-25g karbolyn
*100cal/25carb

Post workout: 7:00 am
-170g 96/4 ground beef
-318 jasmine rice
*675cal/60protein/13fat/80carb

Meal 3: 11:30 am
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-140g broccoli
-24g raw walnuts
*720cal/63protein/21fat/76carb

Meal 4: 4:00 pm
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-24g raw walnuts
*674cal/60protein/20fat/66carb

Meal 5: 7:00 pm
-56g creamy rice
-1 scoop whey blend
-24g peanut butter
-60g blueberries
*463cal/33protein/12fat/57carb

Totals:
-3,436 calories
-272 protein
-94 fat
-386 carbs
that is a solid diet layout. looks good to me. @Bingaling keep up the good work we are proud of you!
 
Would fasting for a couple days be for the purpose of decreasing protein intake so the kidneys can catch up?
fasting creates autophagy in the body. it generates cells all over. and yes the organs like you said would get a break. so will your digestion and things like your brain. but with fasting for the best benefits need to go 20 hours or more. i think a 2 day fast taking a week off training while also being off all gear, and then retesting would be good to see what # you get. if the number normazlies then you know that your kidneys are just overloaded due to bodybuilder lifestyle. its 'normal' but it isn't healthy long term. that is why i recommend that yes even bodybuilders fast. i can easily shoot down any argument against fasting from meatheads by simply bringing this up and when they do the bloods they see how right i was. so fasting is beneficial no matter if you are a skinny vegan or if you are a 300 pound Big Ramy. and yes Big Ramy does himself fast, so does Hadi Choopan, both Mr. O champions. they do it for culutural/religious reasons but they also do it cause its good for them
 
fasting creates autophagy in the body. it generates cells all over. and yes the organs like you said would get a break. so will your digestion and things like your brain. but with fasting for the best benefits need to go 20 hours or more. i think a 2 day fast taking a week off training while also being off all gear, and then retesting would be good to see what # you get. if the number normazlies then you know that your kidneys are just overloaded due to bodybuilder lifestyle. its 'normal' but it isn't healthy long term. that is why i recommend that yes even bodybuilders fast. i can easily shoot down any argument against fasting from meatheads by simply bringing this up and when they do the bloods they see how right i was. so fasting is beneficial no matter if you are a skinny vegan or if you are a 300 pound Big Ramy. and yes Big Ramy does himself fast, so does Hadi Choopan, both Mr. O champions. they do it for culutural/religious reasons but they also do it cause its good for them
I’ll definitely be giving that a shot! Cycle ends early September so I’ll get bloods done early October and do the fasting with a week of no training. Thank you!
 
The remainder of my bloods came in. I know my BUN and Ratio went up, but eGFR went up fairly substantially. Previous results was on 130mg test weekly and 3 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Newest bloods is on 500 test e, 600 primo, 5 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Assuming that the BUN and Ratio being elevated is from intense training, creatine usage, and higher protein than previously. I only am making that assumption because eGFR went up so kidney function went up.View attachment 104815
bro you should see my bloods lol @Bingaling you gonna get good results don't worry. my bloods been high for years and i'm still alive ! @MONSTRO also did good
 
I’ll definitely be giving that a shot! Cycle ends early September so I’ll get bloods done early October and do the fasting with a week of no training. Thank you!
yeah its a good idea to do a long fast a few times a year. that will make a huge differnence in longevity in this 'game we play' .. even a 3-5 day fast would be very beneficial
 
The remainder of my bloods came in. I know my BUN and Ratio went up, but eGFR went up fairly substantially. Previous results was on 130mg test weekly and 3 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Newest bloods is on 500 test e, 600 primo, 5 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Assuming that the BUN and Ratio being elevated is from intense training, creatine usage, and higher protein than previously. I only am making that assumption because eGFR went up so kidney function went up.View attachment 104815
keep in mind although you are on mild steroids. they are still strong dosages. plus i don't care what anyone says but test at 300mg or more is very strong on the system @Bingaling
 
Would you recommend it sometime around the end of a grow or health phase or cut?
that is up to you. you can fast at any time. its in our DNA to fast so there isn't a bad time except probably when you are on a harsh cycle. like i wouldn't fast while on tren you will get too dehydrated
 
The remainder of my bloods came in. I know my BUN and Ratio went up, but eGFR went up fairly substantially. Previous results was on 130mg test weekly and 3 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Newest bloods is on 500 test e, 600 primo, 5 iu HGH 3 on 1 off. Assuming that the BUN and Ratio being elevated is from intense training, creatine usage, and higher protein than previously. I only am making that assumption because eGFR went up so kidney function went up.View attachment 104815
@Bingaling bros kidney numbers gonna be bad for most of us. that part of the game we play. it sort of a game of russian roulette. lots of bodybuilders go on dialysys
 
Would fasting for a couple days be for the purpose of decreasing protein intake so the kidneys can catch up?
this is a great idea. @Bingaling a lot of people should be fasting more. it really does help with organs
 
Updated Meal Log:

Pre workout meal: 3:30 am
-8 oz unsweetened almond milk
-1 scoop whey isolate
-140g frozen bluberries
-2 eggs
-1 bagel
-24g peanut butter
*805cal/55protein/28fat/83carb

Intra workout: 5:30 am
-25g karbolyn
*100cal/25carb

Post workout: 7:00 am
-170g 96/4 ground beef
-318 jasmine rice
*675cal/60protein/13fat/80carb

Meal 3: 11:30 am
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-140g broccoli
-24g raw walnuts
*720cal/63protein/21fat/76carb

Meal 4: 4:00 pm
-170g chicken breast
-250g jasmine rice
-24g raw walnuts
*674cal/60protein/20fat/66carb

Meal 5: 7:00 pm
-56g creamy rice
-1 scoop whey blend
-24g peanut butter
-60g blueberries
*463cal/33protein/12fat/57carb

Totals:
-3,436 calories
-272 protein
-94 fat
-386 carbs
@Bingaling nice work on the update man. Like the detail in it.
 
Good job on bloods
 
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