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tried barbell squats first time in 1.5 years (never did them again after my 2 budlget and 1 s1 disc hernitation).. took me 1.2 years to recover..

macros for the day: 208Protein 194carbs 51fat

Hip\blute thrusts (machine not bar) - 245lbs per side 5x12
Barbell squats - 3x15 - 65lbs 2x1585lbs 2x1095 lbs
farmer carry - 3 laps 45 lbs plate per hand
kneeling hamstring curl machines - 3x12 - 60 lbs 2x8-70lbs
seated leg press machines - 3x12 - 250lbs
Standing calf raises - 8x12 - 120lbs - (angle free inwards, outwardsm and stright 3x each)
rope cable oblique twists - 3x15 40lbs
3x30 push ups
3x12 ab core wheel extensions
glute donkey kicks machine 3x15 - 80lbs

Bloods results still pending
 
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frackz said:
tried barbell squats first time in 1.5 years (never did them again after my 2 budlget and 1 s1 disc hernitation).. took me 1.2 years to recover..

macros for the day: 208Protein 194carbs 51fat

Hip\blute thrusts (machine not bar) - 245lbs per side 5x12
Barbell squats - 3x15 - 65lbs 2x1585lbs 2x1095 lbs
farmer carry - 3 laps 45 lbs plate per hand
kneeling hamstring curl machines - 3x12 - 60 lbs 2x8-70lbs
seated leg press machines - 3x12 - 250lbs
Standing calf raises - 8x12 - 120lbs - (angle free inwards, outwardsm and stright 3x each)
rope cable oblique twists - 3x15 40lbs
3x30 push ups
3x12 ab core wheel extensions
glute donkey kicks machine 3x15 - 80lbs

Bloods results still pending
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good push ups :D and you did farmer carry a big win too ! @frackz
 
frackz said:
tried barbell squats first time in 1.5 years (never did them again after my 2 budlget and 1 s1 disc hernitation).. took me 1.2 years to recover..

macros for the day: 208Protein 194carbs 51fat

Hip\blute thrusts (machine not bar) - 245lbs per side 5x12
Barbell squats - 3x15 - 65lbs 2x1585lbs 2x1095 lbs
farmer carry - 3 laps 45 lbs plate per hand
kneeling hamstring curl machines - 3x12 - 60 lbs 2x8-70lbs
seated leg press machines - 3x12 - 250lbs
Standing calf raises - 8x12 - 120lbs - (angle free inwards, outwardsm and stright 3x each)
rope cable oblique twists - 3x15 40lbs
3x30 push ups
3x12 ab core wheel extensions
glute donkey kicks machine 3x15 - 80lbs

Bloods results still pending
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@frackz not gonna go wrong with this tough training. lots of tough exercises happening. not easy at all!
 
frackz said:
tried barbell squats first time in 1.5 years (never did them again after my 2 budlget and 1 s1 disc hernitation).. took me 1.2 years to recover..

macros for the day: 208Protein 194carbs 51fat

Hip\blute thrusts (machine not bar) - 245lbs per side 5x12
Barbell squats - 3x15 - 65lbs 2x1585lbs 2x1095 lbs
farmer carry - 3 laps 45 lbs plate per hand
kneeling hamstring curl machines - 3x12 - 60 lbs 2x8-70lbs
seated leg press machines - 3x12 - 250lbs
Standing calf raises - 8x12 - 120lbs - (angle free inwards, outwardsm and stright 3x each)
rope cable oblique twists - 3x15 40lbs
3x30 push ups
3x12 ab core wheel extensions
glute donkey kicks machine 3x15 - 80lbs

Bloods results still pending
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Bros, this is a special training session. Looking really good, lots of good exercises. You are hitting your legs like a maniac. @frackz
 
frackz said:
tried barbell squats first time in 1.5 years (never did them again after my 2 budlget and 1 s1 disc hernitation).. took me 1.2 years to recover..

macros for the day: 208Protein 194carbs 51fat

Hip\blute thrusts (machine not bar) - 245lbs per side 5x12
Barbell squats - 3x15 - 65lbs 2x1585lbs 2x1095 lbs
farmer carry - 3 laps 45 lbs plate per hand
kneeling hamstring curl machines - 3x12 - 60 lbs 2x8-70lbs
seated leg press machines - 3x12 - 250lbs
Standing calf raises - 8x12 - 120lbs - (angle free inwards, outwardsm and stright 3x each)
rope cable oblique twists - 3x15 40lbs
3x30 push ups
3x12 ab core wheel extensions
glute donkey kicks machine 3x15 - 80lbs

Bloods results still pending
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I got a lot of love and respect for this. @frackz the training is tremendous. I like the farmer carries.
 
@LevButlerov sommins not right with my bloods. Everything is ok but my T is hyper responding again it is elevated a lot .. I’m still waiting on my free test level to come in but my estrodial is through he roof. Going to skip my shot tomorrow I think. I need to get the estrodial down asap last think I want is some gyno. Will call my closest nic tomorrow too.
 

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frackz said:
@LevButlerov sommins not right with my bloods. Everything is ok but my T is hyper responding again it is elevated a lot .. I’m still waiting on my free test level to come in but my estrodial is through he roof. Going to skip my shot tomorrow I think. I need to get the estrodial down asap last think I want is some gyno. Will call my closest nic tomorrow too.
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Good T response but your estrogen is way high @frackz how much have you been pinning? ai?
 
frackz said:
tried barbell squats first time in 1.5 years (never did them again after my 2 budlget and 1 s1 disc hernitation).. took me 1.2 years to recover..

macros for the day: 208Protein 194carbs 51fat

Hip\blute thrusts (machine not bar) - 245lbs per side 5x12
Barbell squats - 3x15 - 65lbs 2x1585lbs 2x1095 lbs
farmer carry - 3 laps 45 lbs plate per hand
kneeling hamstring curl machines - 3x12 - 60 lbs 2x8-70lbs
seated leg press machines - 3x12 - 250lbs
Standing calf raises - 8x12 - 120lbs - (angle free inwards, outwardsm and stright 3x each)
rope cable oblique twists - 3x15 40lbs
3x30 push ups
3x12 ab core wheel extensions
glute donkey kicks machine 3x15 - 80lbs

Bloods results still pending
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@frackz keep up the good work man. The training looks terrific and the core work absolutely is amazing.
 
frackz said:
tried barbell squats first time in 1.5 years (never did them again after my 2 budlget and 1 s1 disc hernitation).. took me 1.2 years to recover..

macros for the day: 208Protein 194carbs 51fat

Hip\blute thrusts (machine not bar) - 245lbs per side 5x12
Barbell squats - 3x15 - 65lbs 2x1585lbs 2x1095 lbs
farmer carry - 3 laps 45 lbs plate per hand
kneeling hamstring curl machines - 3x12 - 60 lbs 2x8-70lbs
seated leg press machines - 3x12 - 250lbs
Standing calf raises - 8x12 - 120lbs - (angle free inwards, outwardsm and stright 3x each)
rope cable oblique twists - 3x15 40lbs
3x30 push ups
3x12 ab core wheel extensions
glute donkey kicks machine 3x15 - 80lbs

Bloods results still pending
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2 x 15 with 85 right??
 
frackz said:
tried barbell squats first time in 1.5 years (never did them again after my 2 budlget and 1 s1 disc hernitation).. took me 1.2 years to recover..

macros for the day: 208Protein 194carbs 51fat

Hip\blute thrusts (machine not bar) - 245lbs per side 5x12
Barbell squats - 3x15 - 65lbs 2x1585lbs 2x1095 lbs
farmer carry - 3 laps 45 lbs plate per hand
kneeling hamstring curl machines - 3x12 - 60 lbs 2x8-70lbs
seated leg press machines - 3x12 - 250lbs
Standing calf raises - 8x12 - 120lbs - (angle free inwards, outwardsm and stright 3x each)
rope cable oblique twists - 3x15 40lbs
3x30 push ups
3x12 ab core wheel extensions
glute donkey kicks machine 3x15 - 80lbs

Bloods results still pending
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Nice job man. I like how you're hitting the push-ups. Three sets of thirty is a lot so you're doing almost a hundred push-ups wow. @frackz
 
frackz said:
1ml 1x week - tuesdays
No ai

Ordered some amarosin and armed just to have on hand now should be here maybe Monday. Rest of bloods should be done today will post full report.

What do you think I should do?
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aromasin perfect :D @frackz
lets wait for all bloods
and what you should do? start with aromasin when arrives
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Just for clarification 1ml of test c @ 100mg test per ml.

It’s script test.

Maybe lower the dose, or possibly pin smaller amounts 2x a week.
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do you have pics of the test please ? :D
 
LevButlerov said:
aromasin perfect :D @frackz
lets wait for all bloods
and what you should do? start with aromasin when arrives

do you have pics of the test please ? :D
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Most of the bloods are here just three tests left to come in. free test, cystattin c , and somatomedin c. Will post those three when its up. Looks like my hemoglobin and hematocrit has gone up quite a bit to that was not like that my last test.

What would be the correct dosage.

So i picked up both Aromasin and Arimidex from Syn Pharma should arrive soon. Doesnt hurt to have it around.

Which would i start with and what dosage, length to take it and how soon after to redo bloods?
 

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doc said skip my shot today...start again easter sunday.think I rpob scrweed up my dose and went to much.. gonna take this opportunity to move my T day from tuesday to sundays as well.

Will be stopping HGH as well as until hemo and hcrit back inline as well.

Todays Gym
1hr 30 min Cardio.. 1hr up kill 30 min just walking

Macros for the day 201P 199Carbs 61Fat
 
frackz said:
doc said skip my shot today...start again easter sunday.think I rpob scrweed up my dose and went to much.. gonna take this opportunity to move my T day from tuesday to sundays as well.

Will be stopping HGH as well as until hemo and hcrit back inline as well.

Todays Gym
1hr 30 min Cardio.. 1hr up kill 30 min just walking

Macros for the day 201P 199Carbs 61Fat
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thats fine, why dont you go on self TRT? @frackz
 
frackz said:
Most of the bloods are here just three tests left to come in. free test, cystattin c , and somatomedin c. Will post those three when its up. Looks like my hemoglobin and hematocrit has gone up quite a bit to that was not like that my last test.

What would be the correct dosage.

So i picked up both Aromasin and Arimidex from Syn Pharma should arrive soon. Doesnt hurt to have it around.

Which would i start with and what dosage, length to take it and how soon after to redo bloods?
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I didnt see these now i see them :D @frackz aromason is what you want dont use arimidex, and @SYNPharmaDist has good aromasin

you can donate blood but why not go on self TRT?
 
LevButlerov said:
where you do your own TRT no doc :D
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its true really should but always been fearful in a sense where i have under underlying auto immune i always felt oversight is needed.

last thing i want is something to randomly, i doubt its relateed that closely but i dunno ... wouldnt want to trigger ra to come out of remission and the get wrecked for a bit.
 
@LevButlerov for the AI there 12.5 each what should I start with a quarter or half? And would it be daily and for how along? Assume just need to lower it and then stop by next Sunday when I start trt again and monitor for next bloods?

Also today took the complete day off felt good for once lol. Since I did the donation yesterday.

Macors 228p 200c 60fat
 
frackz said:
its true really should but always been fearful in a sense where i have under underlying auto immune i always felt oversight is needed.

last thing i want is something to randomly, i doubt its relateed that closely but i dunno ... wouldnt want to trigger ra to come out of remission and the get wrecked for a bit.
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the auto immune issue is digestive related you need to fast for it and work on gut health
 
frackz said:
@LevButlerov for the AI there 12.5 each what should I start with a quarter or half? And would it be daily and for how along? Assume just need to lower it and then stop by next Sunday when I start trt again and monitor for next bloods?

Also today took the complete day off felt good for once lol. Since I did the donation yesterday.

Macors 228p 200c 60fat
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i would go with 1/2 for now to start it off and see how you do @frackz
macros interesting how about foods?
 
LevButlerov said:
the auto immune issue is digestive related you need to fast for it and work on gut health
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No no sorry @LevButlerov .. some info I was diagnosed with RA from the time I was 13. Woke up one morning and couldn’t move my left arm. I was on heavy steroids and anti inflamtories from then Till 24.. that’s why if you look at my pictures you will notice my left arm is not stright .. lost lots of cartilage when I was younger because it took them time to figure out what was wrong with me .. they chalked it up to growing pains and only when I lost completely mobility and sent me to sick kids did the figure out what was wrong. My autoimmune is hereditary.. my grand pa was paralyzed from the neck down and blind due to RA for the last 37 years of his life.
 
LevButlerov said:
wheatbix swap to oatmeal and the fairlife drink can you do whole food? like chicken breast
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Oh yea this was a random day for me… ran out of chicken. My normal is fish and beef or chicken and beef everyday! Went grocery shopping today all good for tomorrow.

The fairlife shake is usually just what I soak my oats in.
 
frackz said:
Oh yea this was a random day for me… ran out of chicken. My normal is fish and beef or chicken and beef everyday! Went grocery shopping today all good for tomorrow.

The fairlife shake is usually just what I soak my oats in.
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lets get a normal day :D
 
frackz said:
tried barbell squats first time in 1.5 years (never did them again after my 2 budlget and 1 s1 disc hernitation).. took me 1.2 years to recover..

macros for the day: 208Protein 194carbs 51fat

Hip\blute thrusts (machine not bar) - 245lbs per side 5x12
Barbell squats - 3x15 - 65lbs 2x1585lbs 2x1095 lbs
farmer carry - 3 laps 45 lbs plate per hand
kneeling hamstring curl machines - 3x12 - 60 lbs 2x8-70lbs
seated leg press machines - 3x12 - 250lbs
Standing calf raises - 8x12 - 120lbs - (angle free inwards, outwardsm and stright 3x each)
rope cable oblique twists - 3x15 40lbs
3x30 push ups
3x12 ab core wheel extensions
glute donkey kicks machine 3x15 - 80lbs

Bloods results still pending
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@frackz good to see you’re getting back into the bb squats. They are great to add size
 
the Aromasin has not showed up yet, but the pharma arimidex did so i started arimidex, took .5mg.

Todays traings:
30Min up hill cardio walk
Cable short straight bar stnading lat pull downs 3x15x80lbs
Cable lat pull downs neutral dgrip 3x15x140lbs follow up by 20X50lbs after each set
Cable row machines - 3x15x140lbs
cable row machine z pulls 3x10@30lbs
seated dumble shoulder press - 3x13x40lbs
dumbell lat raises - 2x15x15 lbs 2x12x20lbs
seating row machines 3x15x90lbs
revserse pec deck - 3x10x70lbs

Todays macros...


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frackz said:
the Aromasin has not showed up yet, but the pharma arimidex did so i started arimidex, took .5mg.

Todays traings:
30Min up hill cardio walk
Cable short straight bar stnading lat pull downs 3x15x80lbs
Cable lat pull downs neutral dgrip 3x15x140lbs follow up by 20X50lbs after each set
Cable row machines - 3x15x140lbs
cable row machine z pulls 3x10@30lbs
seated dumble shoulder press - 3x13x40lbs
dumbell lat raises - 2x15x15 lbs 2x12x20lbs
seating row machines 3x15x90lbs
revserse pec deck - 3x10x70lbs

Todays macros...


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you shouldn't play with Ais its not a game, dont take arimidex just wait for the aromasin, arimidex with spike e2 post use @frackz where did you order aromasin from?

good training strong lat pulls but a bit more fats needed
how much omega 3 you doing?
 
LevButlerov said:
you shouldn't play with Ais its not a game, dont take arimidex just wait for the aromasin, arimidex with spike e2 post use @frackz where did you order aromasin from?

good training strong lat pulls but a bit more fats needed
how much omega 3 you doing?
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Understood I did take a .5 will not take anymore. I get everything from from syn... the Aromasin should’ve dispatched prob Monday I believe there shipping days is mon- wed. will sit tight and wait.

Right now for mine gas intake 6 1300mg caps and 3 krill oils which make up an additional 1mg.

Also not i got to log it but also had half a cup of almonds.
 
frackz said:
Understood I did take a .5 will not take anymore. I get everything from from syn... the Aromasin should’ve dispatched prob Monday I believe there shipping days is mon- wed. will sit tight and wait.

Right now for mine gas intake 6 1300mg caps and 3 krill oils which make up an additional 1mg.

Also not i got to log it but also had half a cup of almonds.
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thats fine lets wait for aromasin :D smart move @frackz
gas intake or you mean omega 3?
 
confirmed the amorasin is on the way now will be here monday.

Also i just realized how i fd up.

the last dose i took was to much hence the 3000free test. The bottle \ MG size changed it was not the same didnt realize the phmarcist changedthe dosage from the 1 to .35 in order for me to get my normal dose. So i have giving my self 1ML of 200 every week ..

oh not goood but yea stopped cold turkey, will go back on Apirl 5 th sunday.
 
frackz said:
Lol omega 3 fish oil caps … gas lol .. the morning dysfunction is strong with me today.
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you taking them with food?
 
frackz said:
confirmed the amorasin is on the way now will be here monday.

Also i just realized how i fd up.

the last dose i took was to much hence the 3000free test. The bottle \ MG size changed it was not the same didnt realize the phmarcist changedthe dosage from the 1 to .35 in order for me to get my normal dose. So i have giving my self 1ML of 200 every week ..

oh not goood but yea stopped cold turkey, will go back on Apirl 5 th sunday.
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what tell me this again, what bottle are you using? share a pic of it please @frackz
 
LevButlerov said:
what tell me this again, what bottle are you using? share a pic of it please @frackz
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So basically my bottle usually is 10ml for every 100mg test per ml.

The pharmacy ran out of that size bottle and I got a bottle which had 5ml by 200mg test l per ml.

I accidentally was not paying attention and didn’t realize my dose now is .5 ml vs 1ml .. so I basically was blasting 200mg vs 1.. this is my fault …
 
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
 

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frackz said:
So basically my bottle usually is 10ml for every 100mg test per ml.

The pharmacy ran out of that size bottle and I got a bottle which had 5ml by 200mg test l per ml.

I accidentally was not paying attention and didn’t realize my dose now is .5 ml vs 1ml .. so I basically was blasting 200mg vs 1.. this is my fault …
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can you take a pic of it please @frackz
 
frackz said:
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
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abs coming in hard :D love the size lets push it more
 
frackz said:
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
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@frackz hopefully you can get away from that drinking. It doesn't do you any good and it only sets you back. Let's stay focused going forward.
 
frackz said:
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
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154 lb and 31 in waist, that is tremendous. I'm glad that you are cutting up nicely now. You can build it back. @frackz
 
frackz said:
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
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Absolutely love to see a tight waist. @frackz make sure you keep that going.
 
frackz said:
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
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@frackz the Lean Bulk will be a good experience for you. Just make sure that you stay clean. No more alcohol and no more junk.
 
frackz said:
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
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Bros, it's amazing how some drinking can really fluctuate your weight. It just shows how bad drinking is for you. @frackz
 
frackz said:
Only have the 10ml bottle I gave u a pic of the 5 ml is what I recently finished that one I do not have but it was the same just small and 200mg of test per ml.
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I see well try to take more pics in future so we dont miss it :D @frackz
 
LevButlerov said:
I see well try to take more pics in future so we dont miss it :D @frackz
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will so far so good. All the feelings i was getting of the high E2 (flushing, heat etc all have gone away in since Saturday Night), My last test shot was March 17th, I will be starting again this sunday it will be my new day.. was waiting to change to a weekend just easier for me.

Strength and mood etc all is absolutley normal, gym is spot on as well.

Sunday Marcos 236P 201C 61F

30mins cardio - up hill walk
cable high to low flys - 15x3 - 60lbs
Delt raises cable 10x25lbs x 5 -(through it in while i was waiting for equipment)
Incline bench press - 135lbs x 5 - sets of 5-8
seat machine flat bench - 145 x 4 sets of 10
single arm cable tricept pulls -3x15 25lbs
stright bar tricep pull downs 3x20 - 80lbs
triangle bar tricept pull downs 3x20 - 70lbs not standing using a bench \ seated
preacher curls machine used a rope to provide more strech around the handles - 3x15 - 60lbs

Monday training

30min up hill walk warm up
bent over barbell roles - 4x12 25 lbs side
deadlifts 3x135 x 10 , 2x 185 x 10 - to protect my back heniated disc from while back i started using teh squat rack.. i place the safety bar at the bottom setting and then lift from that position.. lets me stabilze and keep form vs start right from the bottom.. prob jeeps the weigt about 2inch from the ground, and its making a huge difference.
weighted pull ups close drip 5x6 with 22lbs dumble between the ankles
rear delt rope pulls - using a stright bench pull up to the pull and laying down flat and pull toward my heads
back row cable machines 3x10-12x150lbs
ab core situp machines 5x20 (3 sets with 45lbs plate, and 2 with 55lbs)

@LevButlerov I saw you posted on on nordics page. I was wondering would Primo help my situation vs an AI? Help with my E2 when i take more then my actualy TRT dose, and help put on some size as long as my diet is dialed in? Or is this something to think about much further down the road?
 

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frackz said:
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
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@frackz Looking lean bro! Coming in nicely!
 
frackz said:
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
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@frackz looking lean man. Nice work. Can’t wait to see how far you take it
 
frackz said:
will so far so good. All the feelings i was getting of the high E2 (flushing, heat etc all have gone away in since Saturday Night), My last test shot was March 17th, I will be starting again this sunday it will be my new day.. was waiting to change to a weekend just easier for me.

Strength and mood etc all is absolutley normal, gym is spot on as well.

Sunday Marcos 236P 201C 61F

30mins cardio - up hill walk
cable high to low flys - 15x3 - 60lbs
Delt raises cable 10x25lbs x 5 -(through it in while i was waiting for equipment)
Incline bench press - 135lbs x 5 - sets of 5-8
seat machine flat bench - 145 x 4 sets of 10
single arm cable tricept pulls -3x15 25lbs
stright bar tricep pull downs 3x20 - 80lbs
triangle bar tricept pull downs 3x20 - 70lbs not standing using a bench \ seated
preacher curls machine used a rope to provide more strech around the handles - 3x15 - 60lbs

Monday training

30min up hill walk warm up
bent over barbell roles - 4x12 25 lbs side
deadlifts 3x135 x 10 , 2x 185 x 10 - to protect my back heniated disc from while back i started using teh squat rack.. i place the safety bar at the bottom setting and then lift from that position.. lets me stabilze and keep form vs start right from the bottom.. prob jeeps the weigt about 2inch from the ground, and its making a huge difference.
weighted pull ups close drip 5x6 with 22lbs dumble between the ankles
rear delt rope pulls - using a stright bench pull up to the pull and laying down flat and pull toward my heads
back row cable machines 3x10-12x150lbs
ab core situp machines 5x20 (3 sets with 45lbs plate, and 2 with 55lbs)

@LevButlerov I saw you posted on on nordics page. I was wondering would Primo help my situation vs an AI? Help with my E2 when i take more then my actualy TRT dose, and help put on some size as long as my diet is dialed in? Or is this something to think about much further down the road?
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@frackz Updates look good man......training is spot on.....
 
frackz said:
will so far so good. All the feelings i was getting of the high E2 (flushing, heat etc all have gone away in since Saturday Night), My last test shot was March 17th, I will be starting again this sunday it will be my new day.. was waiting to change to a weekend just easier for me.

Strength and mood etc all is absolutley normal, gym is spot on as well.

Sunday Marcos 236P 201C 61F

30mins cardio - up hill walk
cable high to low flys - 15x3 - 60lbs
Delt raises cable 10x25lbs x 5 -(through it in while i was waiting for equipment)
Incline bench press - 135lbs x 5 - sets of 5-8
seat machine flat bench - 145 x 4 sets of 10
single arm cable tricept pulls -3x15 25lbs
stright bar tricep pull downs 3x20 - 80lbs
triangle bar tricept pull downs 3x20 - 70lbs not standing using a bench \ seated
preacher curls machine used a rope to provide more strech around the handles - 3x15 - 60lbs

Monday training

30min up hill walk warm up
bent over barbell roles - 4x12 25 lbs side
deadlifts 3x135 x 10 , 2x 185 x 10 - to protect my back heniated disc from while back i started using teh squat rack.. i place the safety bar at the bottom setting and then lift from that position.. lets me stabilze and keep form vs start right from the bottom.. prob jeeps the weigt about 2inch from the ground, and its making a huge difference.
weighted pull ups close drip 5x6 with 22lbs dumble between the ankles
rear delt rope pulls - using a stright bench pull up to the pull and laying down flat and pull toward my heads
back row cable machines 3x10-12x150lbs
ab core situp machines 5x20 (3 sets with 45lbs plate, and 2 with 55lbs)

@LevButlerov I saw you posted on on nordics page. I was wondering would Primo help my situation vs an AI? Help with my E2 when i take more then my actualy TRT dose, and help put on some size as long as my diet is dialed in? Or is this something to think about much further down the road?
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you feel the high e2? how about bloods on it? @frackz
and on the primo vs ai i think you need ai aromasin first not primo

good pump on the training i like the flat bench!


@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @waggat
 
frackz said:
Updates :
Post vacation wait now has stabilized actually lost weight .. then again make sense I was mainly drinking

154lbs
31 inch waist now

Been a long road from 180lbs of just being skinny chubbs.

Caint weight to start lean bulk and slow gain weight/size and fullness. Look sort of flat now but way stronger.
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Looking nice and lean. 31 inch waist is a solid number
 
frackz said:
will so far so good. All the feelings i was getting of the high E2 (flushing, heat etc all have gone away in since Saturday Night), My last test shot was March 17th, I will be starting again this sunday it will be my new day.. was waiting to change to a weekend just easier for me.

Strength and mood etc all is absolutley normal, gym is spot on as well.

Sunday Marcos 236P 201C 61F

30mins cardio - up hill walk
cable high to low flys - 15x3 - 60lbs
Delt raises cable 10x25lbs x 5 -(through it in while i was waiting for equipment)
Incline bench press - 135lbs x 5 - sets of 5-8
seat machine flat bench - 145 x 4 sets of 10
single arm cable tricept pulls -3x15 25lbs
stright bar tricep pull downs 3x20 - 80lbs
triangle bar tricept pull downs 3x20 - 70lbs not standing using a bench \ seated
preacher curls machine used a rope to provide more strech around the handles - 3x15 - 60lbs

Monday training

30min up hill walk warm up
bent over barbell roles - 4x12 25 lbs side
deadlifts 3x135 x 10 , 2x 185 x 10 - to protect my back heniated disc from while back i started using teh squat rack.. i place the safety bar at the bottom setting and then lift from that position.. lets me stabilze and keep form vs start right from the bottom.. prob jeeps the weigt about 2inch from the ground, and its making a huge difference.
weighted pull ups close drip 5x6 with 22lbs dumble between the ankles
rear delt rope pulls - using a stright bench pull up to the pull and laying down flat and pull toward my heads
back row cable machines 3x10-12x150lbs
ab core situp machines 5x20 (3 sets with 45lbs plate, and 2 with 55lbs)

@LevButlerov I saw you posted on on nordics page. I was wondering would Primo help my situation vs an AI? Help with my E2 when i take more then my actualy TRT dose, and help put on some size as long as my diet is dialed in? Or is this something to think about much further down the road?
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Nice two workouts there mate. I'd probably ditch one of the three tricep exercises and consider moving the preacher curls to the back day.

Nice work on the pull-ups with 5 sets of 6 with the dumbbell added.
 
LevButlerov said:
you feel the high e2? how about bloods on it? @frackz
and on the primo vs ai i think you need ai aromasin first not primo

good pump on the training i like the flat bench!


@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @waggat
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Not anymore when I first reported to you I had the feel of being flushed for 48hrs. Like a hot flash or something. It’s all gone now…

Prior to start my T again Sunday I will have fresh blood for you to review. Waiting u til Thursday to do the test.

Love the lean look but man cannot wait to gain some weight I feel funny being 152 lbs I never been this light in my life … I feel like the wind can knock me over. Think before I started this fat shed I was 180 lol
 
frackz said:
Not anymore when I first reported to you I had the feel of being flushed for 48hrs. Like a hot flash or something. It’s all gone now…

Prior to start my T again Sunday I will have fresh blood for you to review. Waiting u til Thursday to do the test.

Love the lean look but man cannot wait to gain some weight I feel funny being 152 lbs I never been this light in my life … I feel like the wind can knock me over. Think before I started this fat shed I was 180 lol
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lets see how it goes as you start :D
frackz said:
Hey @LevButlerov ,
The IGF1 Testing i did finally came back from that last blood test that showed my T \ E2 through the roof. This is on the 1IU Daily, any concern here is it expected to be that high? Mind like T, im a hyper responder to any stimulant in general.

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these are high IGF levels not bad @frackz and you sure you injected 1iu?
 
frackz said:
I should be, pretty standard setup.
10IU bottles of HGH which i reconsitute with with 1ML of BAC Water
I pull back Liquid to the 10 marker so the 1/10th marker to be 1 IU.
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if 1iu this is good quality hgh what brand? @frackz
 
LevButlerov said:
if 1iu this is good quality hgh what brand? @frackz
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LevButlerov said:
I got this from growth guys when I first got my bpc157/ghkcu this is before you got me looped in with syn.
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LevButlerov said:
if 1iu this is good quality hgh what brand? @frackz
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This is from growth guys I usually get my peptides (bpc/tb500) here. I got the 150iu kit which is now showing sold out. Was hoping its okfigured bloods would show what it really is.

This was the report for the batch they had posted and the boxes had this QR code that lead you to here as well.

https://verify.janoshik.com/tests/92926-Human_Growth_Hormone_74B6TJYKA9CW
 
frackz said:
This is from growth guys I usually get my peptides (bpc/tb500) here. I got the 150iu kit which is now showing sold out. Was hoping its okfigured bloods would show what it really is.

This was the report for the batch they had posted and the boxes had this QR code that lead you to here as well.

https://verify.janoshik.com/tests/92926-Human_Growth_Hormone_74B6TJYKA9CW
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Growth guys is total trash, you're likely to get cancer from them as you are results I would avoid it @frackz
 
frackz said:
@LevButlerov want me to take my T this Sunday , and take the first dose or Aromasin and then After get my bloods done mid week or would you like to see bloods prior to starting to see where levels have dropped to since my last shot on the 17th.
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I would take the bloods first before the T tbh @frackz
 
frackz said:
will so far so good. All the feelings i was getting of the high E2 (flushing, heat etc all have gone away in since Saturday Night), My last test shot was March 17th, I will be starting again this sunday it will be my new day.. was waiting to change to a weekend just easier for me.

Strength and mood etc all is absolutley normal, gym is spot on as well.

Sunday Marcos 236P 201C 61F

30mins cardio - up hill walk
cable high to low flys - 15x3 - 60lbs
Delt raises cable 10x25lbs x 5 -(through it in while i was waiting for equipment)
Incline bench press - 135lbs x 5 - sets of 5-8
seat machine flat bench - 145 x 4 sets of 10
single arm cable tricept pulls -3x15 25lbs
stright bar tricep pull downs 3x20 - 80lbs
triangle bar tricept pull downs 3x20 - 70lbs not standing using a bench \ seated
preacher curls machine used a rope to provide more strech around the handles - 3x15 - 60lbs

Monday training

30min up hill walk warm up
bent over barbell roles - 4x12 25 lbs side
deadlifts 3x135 x 10 , 2x 185 x 10 - to protect my back heniated disc from while back i started using teh squat rack.. i place the safety bar at the bottom setting and then lift from that position.. lets me stabilze and keep form vs start right from the bottom.. prob jeeps the weigt about 2inch from the ground, and its making a huge difference.
weighted pull ups close drip 5x6 with 22lbs dumble between the ankles
rear delt rope pulls - using a stright bench pull up to the pull and laying down flat and pull toward my heads
back row cable machines 3x10-12x150lbs
ab core situp machines 5x20 (3 sets with 45lbs plate, and 2 with 55lbs)

@LevButlerov I saw you posted on on nordics page. I was wondering would Primo help my situation vs an AI? Help with my E2 when i take more then my actualy TRT dose, and help put on some size as long as my diet is dialed in? Or is this something to think about much further down the road?
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Nice workouts bro I like the Monday ab work and the sunday cable delt raises you threw in, way to stay all business in the gym!

frackz said:
want me to take my T this Sunday
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Yes please always and don't forget e2 especially with your symptoms.
Nice IGF1 levels too on only 1iu of GH but I'd never visit Growth Guys again once you're done your kit from them, all they do is push out low % purity peptides (when their peptides are real) from selective scam companies overseas with dimers or contaminants that will cause you issues over time.
 
@LevButlerov

After a quick 2 weeks off everything everything back to normal T back to pre treatment level .. actually just slight above but low.

suppose to take my TRT does of .75ML today and start my protocol again.

Here are my bloods.

Looks like my b12 is high but this is the first itme it will balance out as i got rid of the proiten shakes, replaced with more whole foods. SHould be back to normal by next week will check with fresh bloods. Also first time my T4 is been that high, it was 22 on two weeks ago .. day before i stopped my TRT as per my doc. Assume it due to stopping all TRT for two weeks. CYctatin C still pending

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frackz said:
@LevButlerov

After a quick 2 weeks off everything everything back to normal T back to pre treatment level .. actually just slight above but low.

suppose to take my TRT does of .75ML today and start my protocol again.

Here are my bloods.

Looks like my b12 is high but this is the first itme it will balance out as i got rid of the proiten shakes, replaced with more whole foods. SHould be back to normal by next week will check with fresh bloods. Also first time my T4 is been that high, it was 22 on two weeks ago .. day before i stopped my TRT as per my doc. Assume it due to stopping all TRT for two weeks. CYctatin C still pending

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This is on what dose of testosterone? @frackz
 
LevButlerov said:
This is on what dose of testosterone? @frackz
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Those bloods are after two weeks of stopping test. If you remember my e2 spiked and I felt flushed.

When everything spiked I was just trying a self dose I used some of the syn at 150mg.

To give you an idea I respond really well like when I started my trt my normal shot was 1ml (100mg) a week which put my free T at 1300. This is when they backed me off to 35mg which kept it lowish and now there having me try 75mg.

So today I took 75mg shot.

Is my E2 Ok now? its at the top end of normal now at 128 pmol/L... aromasin needed still?

I got try self dosing again but will have to do some bloods more often like I am doing now vs waiting for my docs bloods. But I’d have to cycle it proper so by the time I get back to clinic I’m back at my baseline. For me it’s important to keep docs involved as they send report to my RA specialist a stuff to.
 
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frackz said:
Those bloods are after two weeks of stopping test. If you remember my e2 spiked and I felt flushed.

When everything spiked I was just trying a self dose I used some of the syn at 150mg.

To give you an idea I respond really well like when I started my trt my normal shot was 1ml (100mg) a week which put my free T at 1300. This is when they backed me off to 35mg which kept it lowish and now there having me try 75mg.

So today I took 75mg shot.

Is my E2 Ok now? its at the top end of normal now at 128 pmol/L... aromasin needed still?

I got try self dosing again but will have to do some bloods more often like I am doing now vs waiting for my docs bloods. But I’d have to cycle it proper so by the time I get back to clinic I’m back at my baseline. For me it’s important to keep docs involved as they send report to my RA specialist a stuff to.
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no aromasin needed at this stage, sorry i re read the whoel thing and its more clear @frackz
right now at 128 we gtg
 
Update Foods on point, first week back on trt almond done

Training for the day complete, had to rush it a bit as I had to get to work early today but nice work out done.

25min up hill cardio warm up
barbell squats 135lbs X 10 - 3 sets
pull ups closed grip 3x10, 5x2 weighted with 25lbs plate
Forward lunges - 22.5lbs per hands 3x15
quad extnesions - 60lbs x 12 - 3sets
standing hamstrings curls - 3x12 - 60lbs
Ab core machine - 3x20 45lbs, 2x12 - 50lbs

will do this week at .75ML as well.. that will take me 2 weeks in and get bloods done.

Then i think for 8-12 weeks @LevButlerov thinking of taking it up to 100mg or 150mg and down to my TRT dose before i next check up.
WHen my TRT dose was 100mg my free test was about 1300 and i felt great,

This time will do bloods inbetween to keep an eye on E2 if we decided to raise it up.
 

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frackz said:
Update Foods on point, first week back on trt almond done

Training for the day complete, had to rush it a bit as I had to get to work early today but nice work out done.

25min up hill cardio warm up
barbell squats 135lbs X 10 - 3 sets
pull ups closed grip 3x10, 5x2 weighted with 25lbs plate
Forward lunges - 22.5lbs per hands 3x15
quad extnesions - 60lbs x 12 - 3sets
standing hamstrings curls - 3x12 - 60lbs
Ab core machine - 3x20 45lbs, 2x12 - 50lbs

will do this week at .75ML as well.. that will take me 2 weeks in and get bloods done.

Then i think for 8-12 weeks @LevButlerov thinking of taking it up to 100mg or 150mg and down to my TRT dose before i next check up.
WHen my TRT dose was 100mg my free test was about 1300 and i felt great,

This time will do bloods inbetween to keep an eye on E2 if we decided to raise it up.
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you're back TRT good, for the dose i would go with 150mgs/week to get this going @frackz
love your pull ups do more
 
Mobster said:
first week back on trt almond done

Say what??
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Had some elevated e2 levels like really high so before anything got worse I backed off for 2 weeks … and now have e2 meds on stand by if needed… my clinic asked me to back off .. I miss dosed it which was my fault.. I didn’t realize the pharmacy gave me a 200mg concentration vial per ml vs a 100mg per ml bottle that I’m use to. I was suppose to decrease my dose to 35mg and I was there giving myself normal dose.

I been on a trt dose last few months, I was never suppose to blast persay. This will be my first time officially trying anything above 75mg on purpose. This time I’m ready with extra bloods scheduled outside of my clinic setting and aromasin on hand if needed.
 
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