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Williammunny

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Proposed first cycle:
1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-12 Aromasin EOD
PCT:
14-16 Aromisin 12.5 ED
14-18 Nolvadex 20 mg ED
14-18 Clomephine 50 mg ED

I am considering adding dbol to weeks 1-6 with Proviron. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am getting blood test pre-cycle.
 
bonacris said:
Cycle is fine. Proviron is useless, throw in dbol for the 1st 5weeks and your good.
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Actually! He should use it as it can help with lowering SHBG a little and will boost his libido from what many say. It definitely wont hurt his cycle by adding it in.


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Ahmad90 said:
Actually! He should use it as it can help with lowering SHBG a little and will boost his libido from what many say. It definitely wont hurt his cycle by adding it in.


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You are literally just sprouting something you have read because you will not even notice the addition of proviron to a cycle
 
I would just stick with Test E only for 1st cycle. You can add something else next go around. Figure out what sides you might have with one item at a time.
 
You can run Aromasin throughout your entire PCT. i like doing my PCT like this

Week 1-2
Clomid:50mg
Nolva:20mg EOD
Aromasin:12.5mg EOD

Week 3-4
Nolva:20mg EOD
Aromasin:12.5mg E3D

(Clomid is great for kickstarting a big surge of LH/FSH, but too much of those wont be good once you come off)

Then do a blood test 1 week or a few days after. LH and FSH should be high. 20mg of Nolva/12.5mg of Aromasin alone for around 2 weeks after hormones cleared was enough to raise my LH and FSH 150% above the upper level after my PH cycle, then again it was only 3 weeks but still shut me down. I also used D Asparctic Acid. If you raise LH/FSH too high with PCT abusement then it can actually be bad once you come off PCT, because guess what? There is such thing as producing too much LH/FSH. You have to let your body do some of the work too. Use HCG on cycle, it will allow a smoother transition coming off that why you dont have to go crazy on PCT. Simple if after those 4 weeks you take a blood test and your levels havent recovered then just do the 4 week PCT again. Then after doing it again this time wait 2-3 weeks then get a blood test. If not, then just keep "rebooting" your test levels by doing this. Many of these PCT drugs are used on patients for years at a time, so youre safe. Also adding a good natural test booster like Mucana or LJ 100 would be good after the PCT or during. Stinging Nettle can also be used for lowering SHBG. I personally plan on using Mucana on first day of PCT and maybe Stinging Nettle. Your cycle isnt that hardcore, so you wont need a massive PCT. Honestly one of the biggest mistakes that causes people to not have a good PCT is not letting the roids clear your system. So do this,
Week 1-12
AAS blah blah blah
HCG (Dont abuse HCG! Take small doses!!)

Week 13-16
Aromasin:12.5mg EOD
HCG for first 2 weeks?

Week 17 Begin PCT


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Ahmad90 said:
You can run Aromasin throughout your entire PCT. i like doing my PCT like this

Week 1-2
Clomid:50mg
Nolva:20mg EOD
Aromasin:12.5mg EOD

Week 3-4
Nolva:20mg EOD
Aromasin:12.5mg E3D

(Clomid is great for kickstarting a big surge of LH/FSH, but too much of those wont be good once you come off)

Then do a blood test 1 week or a few days after. LH and FSH should be high. 20mg of Nolva/12.5mg of Aromasin alone for around 2 weeks after hormones cleared was enough to raise my LH and FSH 150% above the upper level after my PH cycle, then again it was only 3 weeks but still shut me down. I also used D Asparctic Acid. If you raise LH/FSH too high with PCT abusement then it can actually be bad once you come off PCT, because guess what? There is such thing as producing too much LH/FSH. You have to let your body do some of the work too. Use HCG on cycle, it will allow a smoother transition coming off that why you dont have to go crazy on PCT. Simple if after those 4 weeks you take a blood test and your levels havent recovered then just do the 4 week PCT again. Then after doing it again this time wait 2-3 weeks then get a blood test. If not, then just keep "rebooting" your test levels by doing this. Many of these PCT drugs are used on patients for years at a time, so youre safe. Also adding a good natural test booster like Mucana or LJ 100 would be good after the PCT or during. Stinging Nettle can also be used for lowering SHBG. I personally plan on using Mucana on first day of PCT and maybe Stinging Nettle. Your cycle isnt that hardcore, so you wont need a massive PCT. Honestly one of the biggest mistakes that causes people to not have a good PCT is not letting the roids clear your system. So do this,
Week 1-12
AAS blah blah blah
HCG (Dont abuse HCG! Take small doses!!)

Week 13-16
Aromasin:12.5mg EOD
HCG for first 2 weeks?

Week 17 Begin PCT


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Thanks bro. A lot of great info.
 
Ahmad90 said:
You can run Aromasin throughout your entire PCT. i like doing my PCT like this

Week 1-2
Clomid:50mg
Nolva:20mg EOD
Aromasin:12.5mg EOD

Week 3-4
Nolva:20mg EOD
Aromasin:12.5mg E3D

(Clomid is great for kickstarting a big surge of LH/FSH, but too much of those wont be good once you come off)

Then do a blood test 1 week or a few days after. LH and FSH should be high. 20mg of Nolva/12.5mg of Aromasin alone for around 2 weeks after hormones cleared was enough to raise my LH and FSH 150% above the upper level after my PH cycle, then again it was only 3 weeks but still shut me down. I also used D Asparctic Acid. If you raise LH/FSH too high with PCT abusement then it can actually be bad once you come off PCT, because guess what? There is such thing as producing too much LH/FSH. You have to let your body do some of the work too. Use HCG on cycle, it will allow a smoother transition coming off that why you dont have to go crazy on PCT. Simple if after those 4 weeks you take a blood test and your levels havent recovered then just do the 4 week PCT again. Then after doing it again this time wait 2-3 weeks then get a blood test. If not, then just keep "rebooting" your test levels by doing this. Many of these PCT drugs are used on patients for years at a time, so youre safe. Also adding a good natural test booster like Mucana or LJ 100 would be good after the PCT or during. Stinging Nettle can also be used for lowering SHBG. I personally plan on using Mucana on first day of PCT and maybe Stinging Nettle. Your cycle isnt that hardcore, so you wont need a massive PCT. Honestly one of the biggest mistakes that causes people to not have a good PCT is not letting the roids clear your system. So do this,
Week 1-12
AAS blah blah blah
HCG (Dont abuse HCG! Take small doses!!)

Week 13-16
Aromasin:12.5mg EOD
HCG for first 2 weeks?

Week 17 Begin PCT


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dude your on your first cycle and your telling people how you like doing pct. come on.
 
Stalkerdog said:
dude your on your first cycle and your telling people how you like doing pct. come on.
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My point exactly. Anyone can read a few posts and become experts. It takes some actually experience. Ahmad90 please don't be giving out advise when you have no experience. This is a horrible way to be. Other forums would hang you out to dry if they see you pulling this shit

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Williammunny said:
Who likes doing pct?
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Ahmad90 is on his 1st cycle. Therefore has never done a PCT so what he had told you is just stuff he has read and is repeating to you with no experience
 
please don't run a SERM only pct. yes if you run blood work like ahmed said your LH will be elevated.. that is because the SERM's are manipulating your blood work TEMPORARILY.. once you stop them and they are out of your system guess what happens? you CRASH HARD

very simple for your first cycle. run 500mg test and aromasin

then for pct run the perfect pct. its as simple as that
 
stevesmi said:
please don't run a SERM only pct. yes if you run blood work like ahmed said your LH will be elevated.. that is because the SERM's are manipulating your blood work TEMPORARILY.. once you stop them and they are out of your system guess what happens? you CRASH HARD

very simple for your first cycle. run 500mg test and aromasin

then for pct run the perfect pct. its as simple as that
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I agree completely. Stick with a testosterone only cycle for a first cycle. Being new to steroids your body will hyper respond. Bodybuilding is all about making slow and gradual progression. Start slowly and work your way up. For a second cycle you can use testosterone + an oral. For a third cycle you can use testosterone + an anabolic + an oral etc.

If you start with a really aggressive cycle right off the bat, where are you going to go from there when you reach a plateau?

This is what I recommend for a first cycle:
weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg EOD

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
 
muskate said:
I agree completely. Stick with a testosterone only cycle for a first cycle. Being new to steroids your body will hyper respond. Bodybuilding is all about making slow and gradual progression. Start slowly and work your way up. For a second cycle you can use testosterone + an oral. For a third cycle you can use testosterone + an anabolic + an oral etc.

If you start with a really aggressive cycle right off the bat, where are you going to go from there when you reach a plateau?

This is what I recommend for a first cycle:
weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg EOD

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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THIS is perfect. Thanks man
 
My first cycle was test only....man I gained like crazy!! no need to go crazy just keep it simple. Test E or C at 500-600mg/wk. Happy growing!
 
Test only first cycle if you wanted to add the proviron i see no harm in that because it is not very anabolic at all its very androgeninc dht its purpose in cycles is too help libido witch is not needed on test your libido will be strong but it will help with water retention and boost the effect of the test by binding too SHGB leaving more free test but dbol no leave that alone for next time if you want too kick start your cycle for a first timer the only thing i would suggest is 50mg test prop eod first 2 weeks then stop the long esters will be strong by that time . good luck eat right and train like a beast and you will get great results
 
bonacris said:
My point exactly. Anyone can read a few posts and become experts. It takes some actually experience. Ahmad90 please don't be giving out advise when you have no experience. This is a horrible way to be. Other forums would hang you out to dry if they see you pulling this shit

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Ahmad90 is on his 1st cycle. Therefore has never done a PCT so what he had told you is just stuff he has read and is repeating to you with no experience
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I have blood tests from a PH cycle i did at age 18. I did it for 3 weeks, injured myself and stopped the cycle. Go read some studies, you dont have to take clomid for 6-8 weeks straight in order to bring your levels back. Just because im on my first legit cycle doesnt mean i dont know. Ive researched since age 17. 90% is experience and everyones experience is different. Everyone should start off at low doses and shorter periods of time on PCT and work their way up depending on how their body reacts.


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Ahmad90 said:
I have blood tests from a PH cycle i did at age 18. I did it for 3 weeks, injured myself and stopped the cycle. Go read some studies, you dont have to take clomid for 6-8 weeks straight in order to bring your levels back. Just because im on my first legit cycle doesnt mean i dont know. Ive researched since age 17. 90% is experience and everyones experience is different. Everyone should start off at low doses and shorter periods of time on PCT and work their way up depending on how their body reacts.


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PCT isn't like an AAS compound... You don't want to start low and see how your body reacts, that's how you don't fully recover. With pct its always best to start on the safe side and see how your body reacts not the low side. Just my two cents, not fully recovering isn't worth saving a few pills of Clomid or nolva to me


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The cycle is fine, and you can add Dbol as a kickstarter. However, in such case a good liver support, such as N2Guard will be imperative. Also, Cardarine GW would be a great addition to the cycle - no side effects, a bit of lean gains, and better keepability of the overall gains after ending the cycle. Finally, you need a stronger PCT - follow the perfect PCT protocol.
 
anabols-markt.com said:
Good Luck bro on your cycle
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Thanks bro. Hopefully, some good results.

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Tythion said:
PCT isn't like an AAS compound... You don't want to start low and see how your body reacts, that's how you don't fully recover. With pct its always best to start on the safe side and see how your body reacts not the low side. Just my two cents, not fully recovering isn't worth saving a few pills of Clomid or nolva to me

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I'd rather be on the safe side as well. I want to prevent unwanted side effects and maintain the gains. I knew nothing about pct before Evo. Thanks bro.

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cjs_gymlife said:
a lot of people use the N2 guard, seems good.[/QUOTE
I bought based on the recommendations her. I'll see how it goes.
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jon38 said:
Test only first cycle if you wanted to add the proviron i see no harm in that because it is not very anabolic at all its very androgeninc dht its purpose in cycles is too help libido witch is not needed on test your libido will be strong but it will help with water retention and boost the effect of the test by binding too SHGB leaving more free test but dbol no leave that alone for next time if you want too kick start your cycle for a first timer the only thing i would suggest is 50mg test prop eod first 2 weeks then stop the long esters will be strong by that time . good luck eat right and train like a beast and you will get great results
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Im going Test E only first cycle. I'll add next cycle. Test P in addition to Test A during first 2 weeks? Thanks bro
 
bonacris said:
You are literally just sprouting something you have read because you will not even notice the addition of proviron to a cycle
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As someone who has used a shit load of proviron, this is correct. The average person will never notice it. He should not use it. Absolutly pointless unless your on trt or looking to boost a DHT.

Dbol is my worst enemy so I can't reccomend it but that's personal reason. I would say tbol personally but it's hard to find somethimes. I think your cycle looks good man. No real need for the aromasin in your pct but you can if you like...

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jon38 said:
Test only first cycle if you wanted to add the proviron i see no harm in that because it is not very anabolic at all its very androgeninc dht its purpose in cycles is too help libido witch is not needed on test your libido will be strong but it will help with water retention and boost the effect of the test by binding too SHGB leaving more free test but dbol no leave that alone for next time if you want too kick start your cycle for a first timer the only thing i would suggest is 50mg test prop eod first 2 weeks then stop the long esters will be strong by that time . good luck eat right and train like a beast and you will get great results
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Should I take hcg on my first test e only cycle? I read so many different opinions about whether I should take it or not.
 
As a new user I can say try not to buy too much into "personal opinion" this has gotten ridiculous. Poor op has gotten shuved in 5 or 6 directions. Do a lot of research for yourself if you can that's what's gonna educate you. 90% of people wanna just spout off what they read I'm a "study" anyway.

Bonacris
Muskate
Steve
Myself
Lev
Jon

We are all pretty vetted users of aas. I'm probably the youngest but have ran pretty much everything you could name to be honest. Pct is not my expertese. I actually blast cruise now but I can agree with Steve on not running a serm only pct.

Remember your goal here is to be able to let your body find matural stability the quickest way possible. I will only speak on what I have 100% hands on experience with. Otherwise I'm a plajurized book without a source check lol.


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