Affected gains?

[lighterchild]

Hello everyone,

I'm 29 experienced user. Now on HGH for the first time. I've been on 4 weeks now, taking 4 iu's 5 days per week. Also with 500mg sust., 450 mg deca, and 30mg d-ball for the first 3 weeks. I went from 205 to about 218 within 3 weeks, but the amount of water I was holding was crazy. during the 4th week within about 3 days all the water came off. Now I'm back at 205 again.

I know your first thought will be that the d-ball was making me hold water, but it never has done this before. I think the sust and deca should be hitting me any day now. It normally kicks in around week 4 or 5. Is the GH slowing down the ASS gains? Due to taking the GH will my gains be leaner?Any input would help, as I'm not really sure what to expect from a cycle like this.

 

[stevesmi]

are you using an AI?

 

[Mobster]

Hello everyone,

I'm 31 experienced AAS user. Now on HGH for the first time. I've been on 4 weeks now, taking 4 iu's 5 days per week. Also with 500mg sust., 450 mg deca, and 30mg d-ball for the first 3 weeks. I went from 205 to about 218 within 3 weeks, but the amount of water I was holding was crazy. during the 4th week within about 3 days all the water came off. Now I'm back at 205 again.

I know your first thought will be that the d-ball was making me hold water, but it never has done this before. I think the sust and deca should be hitting me any day now. It normally kicks in around week 4 or 5. Is the GH slowing down the ASS gains? Due to taking the GH will my gains be leaner?Any input would help, as I'm not really sure what to expect from a cycle like this.

What gains? You're back where you started? What's the diet like?

 

[muskate]

You will retain some water from HGH but only a couple pounds. I suspect you are retaining a bunch of water from high estrogen. Are you using an AI?

 

[lighterchild]

Yeah I am running an AI. I am eating around 3000 calories a day. eating clean.

 

[DBalls]

Yeah I am running an AI. I am eating around 3000 calories a day. eating clean.

The sus should already be hitting, it has short esters with it.

Also 3000 calories isn’t sh1t. I eat 3,000 calories off cycle.

As for the Dball try using a lower dose. 10mgs a day for a week then bump it to 20, if you hold water drop it to 10 mgs.

DBall is very anabolic, even at low doses, so a little bit can go a long way for quick recovery and repair.

I’m also in the minority here when I say you shouldn’t need an A.I. If your body can’t handle the dose, the dose is probably too high unless your a professional bodybuilder getting huge for a show. There’s a lot a positive benefits from a slight elevation from estrogen, estrogen actually fights some negative health effects like lowered HDL. Androgen/estrogen ratio is also important for brain chemistry and libido and many people lose sex drive when they use an AI. Estrogen also helps lubricate joints and prevent injuries and raises IGF-1 levels improving muscle gains. Don't use ancillaries if you don't need them, they are drugs with side effects of their own..... That said, always keep an A.I. On hand to stop gyno or bloat in its tracks if it’s needed and re-caliberate the doses. Just my opinion but A.I.’s aren’t a crutch to be used through out a cycle but rather a life vest to get you out of trouble if the boat flips.

Hope that helps.

 

[Mobster]

I agree with the idea of, if need be, lowering the dose. I don't agree with keeping it on hand. We get too many guys (2-3 a week = 150 a year) asking about issues with gyno. That 2-3 too many.

Yes, as you say, there's an actual need for SOME estrogen. We put our bodies out of balance by upping our test and it tries to compensate by changing other hormone levels.

He also says he lost the water. Hence my earlier comment of him being back where he started at 205lbs.

 

[DBalls]

I agree with the idea of, if need be, lowering the dose. I don't agree with keeping it on hand. We get too many guys (2-3 a week = 150 a year) asking about issues with gyno. That 2-3 too many.

Yes, as you say, there's an actual need for SOME estrogen. We put our bodies out of balance by upping our test and it tries to compensate by changing other hormone levels.

He also says he lost the water. Hence my earlier comment of him being back where he started at 205lbs.

You don’t wake up with gyno, it starts with itchy sensitive nipples. So my protocol would be there A.I. and Nova, then revaluate.

DBol works so well as a anabolic mass producer because of the estrogen. Eliminate the estrogen, and you are using it purely for strength gains. More less a poor mans Var.

But I agree with you on going back to the original weight. Diet is off. Way off. An oral only cycle of Dbol at 30mgs for 3 weeks should still put on pounds that couldn’t have been lost two weeks later.

 

[Mobster]

You don’t wake up with gyno, it starts with itchy sensitive nipples. So my protocol would be there A.I. and Nova, then revaluate.

DBol works so well as a anabolic mass producer because of the estrogen. Eliminate the estrogen, and you are using it purely for strength gains. More less a poor mans Var.

But I agree with you on going back to the original weight. Diet is off. Way off. An oral only cycle of Dbol at 30mgs for 3 weeks should still put on pounds that couldn’t have been lost two weeks later.

Exactly. Others have said dbol is water weight only cos they lost it all. This guy isn't even at the wend of the cycle and he's already back to square one. If I added 10lbs on dbol (and have) I still kept 3-4lbs.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Yeah I am running an AI. I am eating around 3000 calories a day. eating clean.

The AI you're using may well be bogus.