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GymBeast614

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Hey , I am currently planning a cycle with gear that I have one hand and was wanting advice. Any help will be appreciated.
Body stats are: age : 26 , weight: 85kg , height: 170cm , body fat %: 14.3

Cycle idea:
Dbol 50mg/ed for weeks 1-5
Test cypionate 800mg (loading) for week 1
Test cypionate 400mg week 2-9
Tren acetate 100mg/eod for week 1-10
Test cypionate 600mg week 1-12

AI: aromasin: 10-20mg/eod for week 1-12 +pct ( dose depending on reaction)

Pct: HCG 1000iu for 10 days
Nolvadex 40mg/ed for 2 weeks , 20mg/ed for 2 weeks , 10mg/ed for 2 weeks
 
I'm a little confused on your test c dosing. I wouldn't front load with a long ester such as test c. It will do absolutely nothing other than keep your plasma levels out of whack. As a matter of fact I wouldn't front load at all, never did and never will. It does nothing.
Second, run the test-c @ 500/600mg per week split into two doses 3.5 days apart. Do that for 12 weeks. No need to taper down either.
Third. That's a lot of dbol. 50mg is gonna blow u up like a balloon, so make sure u keep taking that aromasin from day one. I'd personally do 30mg per day (10mg every 6 hours or so)
Lastly make sure you add clomid to your PCT. Clomid is THE most important part of PCT. You can do 50/50/25/25/12.5 for the clomid and make sure you have some sort of liver support as well. Good luck with the cycle

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Thanks for the advice, I've never front loaded before , I just heard it helps it get into the system faster. I would rather do as you said though and run it at a constant for the 12 weeks. I was thinking of running the aromasin at 20mg for the duration of the dbol as I know it aromatises alot , then tapering it down as I am not very estrogen sensitive to begin with.I will definitely bring in the clomid , I actually have it on hand just forgot to put it in the post haha.
 
That's a common misconception but no matter what dose of a certain ester u take it will always take the same time to "get in your system". What makes more sense is using test prop as its a short ester first then test cyp but u don't need to do that since u have dbol and that shit will kick in within a day or two. By week 5-6 test levels will begin to peak as ur coming off dbol so it will be a smooth transition.
And yes take aromasin throughout the length of the entire Cycle as well as during PCT. Remember test will aromatize just like dbol does however at a much slower rate.

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Yeah that was my idea behind the dbol and just purely because I love the pumps and strength from it , I will use the aromasin throughout just varying the doses as I'm not used to it cause I usually use arimidex. What do you think about the HCG dosing and use? Is it even necessary?
 
That was my plan for the test cypionate , do you reckon that hcg is worth it if I am running clomid? Cause alot of people say clomid and nolvadex will do a much better job than hcg anyway?
 
Front loading does indeed work. I'm not going to get into the half-life discussion, but you can have week 4 levels at week 2 with a good front load.

Of course, that is overly simplified. The only problem with front loading is increased chance of gyno/acne.
 
drippie said:
Front loading does indeed work. I'm not going to get into the half-life discussion, but you can have week 4 levels at week 2 with a good front load.

Of course, that is overly simplified. The only problem with front loading is increased chance of gyno/acne.
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Which isn't worth the chance.

I wouldn't front load. I would run your cycle with 2weekly injections of 250mgs.

Also is this your first run with tren?? If so id back your dose down a bit, the sides can get nasty and until you know where your comfort level is....id start lower and work up to a higher dose.

Start your ai from day 1....@'10mgs eod

The guys will step in soon and give you warnings about prolactin related sides and caber...not my expertise, so I will let them point you in the Ruhr direction on that.

Good luck.
 
So you would 10mg eod be a better option that changing it as I feel necessary? And this is my first time with tren , I do know about the prolactin sides and I want to buy dostinex but not entirely sure on dosing?
 
As a rule of thumb I say between 7.5-12.5mgs eod from day one. You shouldn't have an issue as long as your very diligent and don't miss days and start from the very first injection.

Caber is dosed at .5mgs e3d and adjusted as needed.
 
Thank you , that helps me out alot. And pct wise is nolvadex and clomid along with aromasin good enough or must hcg be brought in too?
 
GymBeast614 said:
I have read up about hcg and I see ill use the hcg for 10 days at 1000ius a day then go into nolvadex and clomid
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I strongly advise AGAINST using HCG with your cycle/PCT. Many bodybuilders are under the incorrect misconception that HCG usage will help them recover post cycle or keep testicular shrinkage to a minimum while on cycle. I am not sure where this misconception came from but it is very incorrect. HCG is extracted from pregnant female urine. You read that correctly. It is a form of estrogen and causes estrogen levels to rise. High estrogen levels can lead to gynecomastia, increased body fat levels and water retention. Even worse, if HCG is used for too long or in high enough doses, it will inhibit your own testosterone production due to the negative feedback loop via the pituitary gland and hypothalamus.

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.
 
muskate said:
I strongly advise AGAINST using HCG with your cycle/PCT. Many bodybuilders are under the incorrect misconception that HCG usage will help them recover post cycle or keep testicular shrinkage to a minimum while on cycle. I am not sure where this misconception came from but it is very incorrect. HCG is extracted from pregnant female urine. You read that correctly. It is a form of estrogen and causes estrogen levels to rise. High estrogen levels can lead to gynecomastia, increased body fat levels and water retention. Even worse, if HCG is used for too long or in high enough doses, it will inhibit your own testosterone production due to the negative feedback loop via the pituitary gland and hypothalamus.

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.
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In the link that you provided they use HCgenerate ES, is that a suppliment rather than an the injectable HCG? Or am I mistaken? Does the HCgenerate make a big difference compared to normal HCG?
 
GymBeast614 said:
In the link that you provided they use HCgenerate ES, is that a suppliment rather than an the injectable HCG? Or am I mistaken? Does the HCgenerate make a big difference compared to normal HCG?
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HCGenerate ES is a natural herbal based supplement that contains no banned substances or illegal ingredients. It contains both anti estrogen and testosterone raising compounds so it doesn't have the same estrogen problems that HCG does.
 
I wouldnt do neither loading, nor tappering. Also I would definitely add clomid into pct, it works wonders together with nolva. And if you want extra edge for pct - hcgenerate, ostarine and cardarine, to be able to maintain gains and even keep on growing
 
GymBeast614 said:
Thank you , I will definitely do that. I've gone off the idea of using hcg
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Good man. People do things out of habit. HCG was all the rage before people started to realize it is actually counterproductive. It crushes your testosterone LH and FSH levels so you are actually worse off when you stop using it then when you started.
 
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